GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

No girlz talk this week

http://www.npr.org/2012/05/07/152183865/lena-dunham-addresses-criticism-aimed-at-girls?ps=cprs

On her relationship with her parents

"When I graduated [from] college, my parents said, 'You can live with us,' but they made it really clear they were not going to support any of my endeavors. They were like, 'You can live with us and that's a great gift we can give you, but you have to have a job, you have to figure out, like we did, how to have a creative life, and we're giving you a great step ahead by already living in the city you want to be in, but we're not going to serve that function for you. Our parents didn't do it for us, and we don't think it's healthy.' "

I don't totally understand this - they offered her a place to live but didn't give her walking around money or wouldn't help her find a job or what?

she wasn't going to be able to lounge around or be a trustafarian, she had to have a job even though they were letting her stay rent-free
pretty clear, tbh

yeah, that's why my brother ended up sleeping in the barn.

More like they gave her a place to stay and supported her finding a job, instead of letting her stay and eat while "writing the great american novel" or w/e. My dad, who thinks the world ends if you do not have a job at all times, would kind of unconsciously surface this as "how's the job hunt going?"

john cook's episode recaps of this show on Gawker are really bad. like, 'he needs an editor to tell him to stop writing like that' bad.

hah shit got mad real at tender boyfriends rock show

i think it's funny how the gawker recaps only refer to the characters as their fathers' daughters. THAT IS SO FUNNY AND NOT PLAYED OUT AT ALL.

I can understand not knowing the characters' names (there's British girl, SATC girl, Lena Dunham and yuppie IMO - along with sensitive boyfriend, douchebag, aging slacker husband and guy from Tiny Furniture), but that's pretty ridic.

douchebag can either be the artist or Lena's fuckbuddy

We did this upthread

britchick looking to unionize the nannies was pretty in character
lena with the paralegal pool maybe somewhat less so

http://maxgif.com/13u

Her eyebrows were killing me

I don't relate to this show one bit.

what's the obstacle?

I guess I feel like I relate to Angela Chase on My So-Called Life and Lindsey Weir from Freaks & Geeks far more, to draw parallels from other 'girl'-centric shows.

Come on, it's only been four out of ten episodes. Give it a chance!

I don't particularly relate to anybody on this show and I was largely appalled by the characters at first but since it keeps making me laugh, I'm sticking with it. It's also kind of fun to be reminded how callow I was at their age, too.

Her eyebrows were killing me

yes! and that she kept them like that all day+night!

i love Angela Chase and Lindsey Weir too but in a high-school relating way, which is more of a friendly nostalgia with minor cringing at recognition of self. there's really something in Hannah that i somewhat shamefully relate to in an oh-my-god-agh-look-back-at-my-early-mid-20s-and-cringe-but-not-hate way.

i think they looked amazing? like i think she should keep them for the rest of the series + her life

xp

i thought that if they were a little toned down, they'd be perfect! (but i have never nearly approached that level of eyebrow make-up myself)

Still liking this show a lot. This episode seemed a little more 'typical sitcom' in its pacing though, and then afterward I noticed it was the first one she didn't direct herself.

I loved that caveman bf loved the eyebrows!

"you look like a mexican teenager"

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Yeah, I dunno, at 24 I was living in a depressing apartment by the Interstate, chain smoking out my window every night, posting to ILX all the time; I never dated (or fucked) anyone, and all my friends were dudes who lived in a warehouse. I also had a pretty good job. I've always felt pretty sure of myself as an adult. I guess maybe this is just another illustration about how adolescence keeps being extended further and further into one's 20's and 30's.

i had a good respectable job at that point in my life too and a decent apartment and a cat and was taking a semi-self-imposed break from relationships/dating, but was def still figuring out who i was and being somewhat reckless (tho i thought reasonable) with my feelings and my self-expression. mostly worked, read, went dancing, rode my bike, went to shows, spent time on the internet (pre-ilx!). i don't think of that time as an extension of adolescence.

maybe what relating to this show comes down to is one's sense of humour? (which is something that just forms, earlier in life, imo, and is what it is, no shame/judgment)

My reality was probably already more day job/boring outside of work in my early 20s post-college, but I knew a lot of people who lived lives fairly close to the characters in the show. Some of the socially awkward bits ring true, too.

Me @ 24, 1994 = living on SSI income in Seattle in a shared house (100 y.o. decrepit 3 story victorian) full of serious freaks, drawing a page per day of a weird comic about swamp creatures, getting a small time grant to self-publish it, lots of close female friends but ~still a virgin~ (for another year), hours of operation 10am-2am.

I guess fairly 'Girls' except without the money part...

the fact that i was nothing like these people at 24 doesn't keep me from relating to hannah

I'm not sure I relate to this (though maybe I should if I thought about it), but I still really enjoy it because I'm interested in the characters to a degree now and I like the way it's handling these situations (for the most part).

I'm totally confused by the people itt who are appalled by the main characters. Charlie doesn't look good after this episode, Adam's still kind of a creep but kind of charming, but the Girls all seem like real non psychopathic humans.

I have to keep watching so that I can learn more catchphrases from Hannah's non-bf

silby, humans can be appalling

I don't know that I've ever identified w/ a movie or tv cast outside of Dazed & Confused.

Which was more about identifying with the sense of place than characters.

The only reason I mentioned identifying with the characters is because several other posters say they identify with Hannah. I just don't feel like I do. I also don't need to identify with a character to enjoy the show.

I find this show, on the whole, so horrible - yet I can't stop watching it.

Jon Lewis, I had no idea you posted on ILX! I love True Swamp! Like a lot!

I mean i had seen the name, didn't make the connection! I'm a fan!

It's part of his secret takeover of the place.

Aw <3 !!!

Have we met ever?

(hardcover collection coming out end of this year)

I met you briefly at the BK indie con and bought a few books of your stuff but was too shy and generally wobbly (conventions confuse me; i feel guilty for not buying everything) to strike up a convo. Had i known you were THAT jon lewis i surely woulda had more to say.
I will buy your hardcover collection.

friend me on fb, i am jon croaker lewis there.

that is such a great con btw, my favorite in the country right now.

it is a rad time; i spend something like two hundred bucks each year.

yer friended.

cool, true swamp! i'm also a fan.