GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

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So it seemed like a few people on ILX did not like Tiny Furniture, but I did, I like Lena and I am really anticipating GIRLS. No doubt we'll talk about all this here as we anticipate the show and all try to look smart (I'm smart, btw).

killa amc (admrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:35 (four years ago) Permalink

I guess we can talk about this too: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/lena-dunham-weight_n_1321414.html

Obviously that story itself is not interesting or special (jn fact it is idiotic), but it does raise some larger questions worth considering although goodness knows we should be more evolved than this by now

killa amc (admrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:38 (four years ago) Permalink

Wanna be appalled? go to the criterion forum and read the Tiny Furniture thread. Total fanboy meltdown.

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:46 (four years ago) Permalink

ok i just read a few pages of this^ and suddenly i want to become her biggest champion

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:25 (four years ago) Permalink

(i haven't seen anything she's done tho)

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:26 (four years ago) Permalink

still haven't seen tiny furniture; need to get on that. read two paragraphs of that story about the complaint about her weight. couldn't read any further.

horseshoe, Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:27 (four years ago) Permalink

criterion fandorks who complain about WHY ARE THEY RELEASING X FILM AND NOT Y?!?! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE = shut up shut up shut up you are the fucking worst

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:32 (four years ago) Permalink

I didn't really care for Tiny Furniture on the whole. Lena Dunham seemed like someone who's talented but (unsurprisingly) a little too solipsistic to adequately wield her talent. I'll give her show a shot in the hope that she's matured a bit.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:46 (four years ago) Permalink

Tiny furniture is one of those movies with about zero sympathetic characters. And I really couldn't figure out if I was actually supposed to think that or not.

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:54 (four years ago) Permalink

I liked Tiny Furniture and am looking forward to this show.

polyphonic, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:26 (four years ago) Permalink

I agree completely, chinavision. And I think Dunham was at least canny enough for that to have been intentional. I just don't think she was canny enough to make the overall experience appealing or thought-provoking enough for me to like the film.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:39 (four years ago) Permalink

I do want to give her props on a number of fronts. I just can't give her props for cohering those fronts into a particularly good movie.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:40 (four years ago) Permalink

totally dug tiny furniture

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (four years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture? i mean they did a lot of stupid shit but no one was really hateful, besides i guess the two guys.

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (four years ago) Permalink

guardian interview - http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2012/mar/23/lena-dunham-tiny-furniture-emma-brockes

just sayin, Saturday, 24 March 2012 21:09 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm seriously hyped about this; she's way funnier and more clever than she has any right to be.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:22 (four years ago) Permalink

i also got a little crush on her y cuz she's smart

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:23 (four years ago) Permalink

Watched Tiny Furniture on the weekend. It's the kind of thing i normally hate but she won me over by the end.

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:53 (four years ago) Permalink

tiny furniture is pretty interesting. i thought it would be funny but kinda frothy, and instead i thought it said some pretty interesting things, way more than it was an amusing film. like (SPOILERS, I GUESS) the more it committed to refusing the sweet narrative arc you'd expect to unkink & take over - her remembering how lovely Frankie was, or arriving at some kind of agreeable romantic situation - the more it seemed like good, lacerating, self-loathing criticism of dumb, shortsighted early life blundering.

the nyer profile from a while back is good reading also

john-claude van donne (schlump), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:02 (four years ago) Permalink

just watched 'tiny furniture' and was surprised by how much i (and especially my gf) enjoyed it.

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:07 (four years ago) Permalink

the pipe scene was the clincher

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:08 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah, agreed.
the pat on the thigh from spent dude was just painfully real.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:18 (four years ago) Permalink

i channel surfed through Tiny Furniture for a few minutes recently and could barely stand it, the direction/acting was like kevin smith-level bad

ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:21 (four years ago) Permalink

"In the street?"
"No, worse than that"

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:22 (four years ago) Permalink

Dunham is curating a mini-fest where i work called Hey, girlfriend. bummed i missed mulholland drive last night (one of her picks)

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:23 (four years ago) Permalink

at least i have seen it on the big screen b4 tho

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:24 (four years ago) Permalink

twice actually!

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:25 (four years ago) Permalink

haven't seen any of her stuff, she's doing several days of film 'presenting' at BAM, tonight w/ Whit Stillman.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:26 (four years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture?

haha me too

i saw one of the episodes on the weekend it was... idk, im p excited to watch them properly but it was a bit of a mess. theres a lot of ambivalence in general i guess

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:27 (four years ago) Permalink

Tiny Furniture was horrific but she might do okay in a TV format. As long as she's not directing.

Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:30 (four years ago) Permalink

oops hey i missed surm's posts, sorry.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:34 (four years ago) Permalink

some dude OTM about Tiny Furniture's filmmaking, but I also can't find it in myself to give a shit about the problems of an educated rich kid in this hard hard world of moving back into the 'rents multimillion dollar loft.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:27 (four years ago) Permalink

still going to give Girls a shot, maybe there will be characters who aren't hateable

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:28 (four years ago) Permalink

I think she's more self-aware than people who offer that criticism realize

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:30 (four years ago) Permalink

I think she is sorta cute and seems fun and smart

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:31 (four years ago) Permalink

"WKIW", as I believe you say

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:32 (four years ago) Permalink

Like the scene where she has the big argument with her mother and she's all "I'm 22 and i just graduated and i got my first job". I have to believe that was somewhat tongue in cheek

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:34 (four years ago) Permalink

I don't think it was, or that the entire movie was one big self-aware joke at the expense of overprivileged twentysomethings... but I'm not sure that it would improve things had that been her intention.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:36 (four years ago) Permalink

i like how the friend from ohio felt like a protagonist that wandered in from some other (slightly more conventional) movie

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:38 (four years ago) Permalink

That's another thing. She tells her friend a day before she moves to New York that she's not going to move in with her, avoids all her calls, blows her off at the art thing cos that dude turns up etc. It has to be a joke, right?

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:40 (four years ago) Permalink

idk it's all part & parcel of being an actual horrible, spoiled 20-something

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:41 (four years ago) Permalink

the character, not lena i mean

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (four years ago) Permalink

I think there was a degree of self-awareness on display in Tiny Furniture, but probably not the degree of self-awareness that she might've had if she'd waited a couple more years to make it.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (four years ago) Permalink

Which is a lot of why I'm open to Girls being more "my thing".

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (four years ago) Permalink

its not a "joke" but it is "self-aware"

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (four years ago) Permalink

Yeah but she didn't. She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.

xxp

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (four years ago) Permalink

I mean, she was self-aware enough to not portray her character as a completely sympathetic protagonist (see: the treatment of her friend from Ohio) but I don't know that she was as aware of her character's/her own level of privilege as I would've liked.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (four years ago) Permalink

It's certainly no less self-aware than you might hope/expect given the age and status of the filmmaker.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (four years ago) Permalink

Why does she have to apologize to you for being rich

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (four years ago) Permalink

Ugh: http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/11/10/milo-offers-to-pay-for-lena-dunhams-one-way-ticket-to-canada/

I kind of hope Lena runs riot over Dumpster Person #1 here.

a full playlist of presidential apocalypse jams (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 10 November 2016 21:43 (two months ago) Permalink

i kind of despise the "I'm moving to canada" crap tbh, it's so smug, entitled, and disingenuous, not available to the people who might actually benefit from it, and it plays into the hands of the "cosmopolitan elitist liberal blah blah blah" label the right puts on rich/famous liberals. also the country i live in is not a consolation prize.

harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 10 November 2016 21:48 (two months ago) Permalink

The not-entirely-serious frustration-vent of "I'm gonna move to XXXXX" is not the coolest thing to say but can we in this shitty new era please recognise that Milo is the actual piece of shit here?

the fog of "Wha...?" (stevie), Friday, 11 November 2016 09:35 (two months ago) Permalink

useful rule of thumb: in any given situation, milo is always the actual piece of shit

not all those who chunder are sloshed (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 11 November 2016 10:44 (two months ago) Permalink

well obvs

the fog of "Wha...?" (stevie), Friday, 11 November 2016 10:49 (two months ago) Permalink

More like Lena dudham, amirite?

Ross, Friday, 11 November 2016 15:32 (two months ago) Permalink

Alyssa Rosenberg ‏@AlyssaRosenberg 13h13 hours ago
@DouthatNYT Certainly I don't think *critics* on the left mistake "Girls" for " a fun show about 'the youth.'"

Ross Douthat ‏@DouthatNYT 13h13 hours ago
@AlyssaRosenberg Allow me my jokes.

Alyssa Rosenberg ‏@AlyssaRosenberg 12h12 hours ago
@DouthatNYT How else will I prove that I am the Humorless Liberal Critic, Destroyer of Jokes?

Treeship, Saturday, 12 November 2016 04:42 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

kudos

mookieproof, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:00 (one month ago) Permalink

ugh

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:02 (one month ago) Permalink

o no now what

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:02 (one month ago) Permalink

ahhhh why did I google

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:03 (one month ago) Permalink

?

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:05 (one month ago) Permalink

not sure the context but apparently she wished she had had an abortion ???

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:11 (one month ago) Permalink

It's not really much better in context. Pretty much classic "this should be about me" Dunham stuff.

The "Girls" creator recounted visiting a Planned Parenthood in Texas several years ago where a young girl asked her to join a project where women share their stories of abortion.

"I sort of jumped," Dunham said. "'I haven’t had an abortion,' I told her. I wanted to make it really clear to her that as much as I was going out and fighting for other women’s options, I myself had never had an abortion."

It was then, Dunham said, she realized "Even I, the woman who cares as much as anybody about a woman’s right to choose, felt it was important that people know I was unblemished in this department."

She added, "Now I can say that I still haven’t had an abortion, but I wish I had."

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:14 (one month ago) Permalink

this is the opposite of surprising

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:16 (one month ago) Permalink

idgaf

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:17 (one month ago) Permalink

that one ok first season of Girls was really not worth putting up with her for this long already

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:18 (one month ago) Permalink

Eh, this is the diet version of John Waters saying 'I wish I was a girl so I could get an abortion' in Crackpot - and that's 30 years old!

jane burkini (suzy), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:27 (one month ago) Permalink

It's a shame she is so committed to embodying every right wing critics' caricature of her. I still think, flawed as Girls is, she is a talented writer.

Treeship, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:40 (one month ago) Permalink

I think she is a talented writer too but it bothers me that she is put forward as some kind of cultural spokesperson in spite of what seems to be pretty narrow appeal and popularity. It feels very much like media class narcissism that she is so favored and promoted in the media.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:43 (one month ago) Permalink

I know so few people who watched Girls at all, and the ones who did were pretty lukewarm about it after a season or two. I've never met a single person who read her book or reads the Lenny Letter or whatever it's called. But she gets put on stage at the Democratic convention as some kind of representative of, idk, the hip kids today?

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:46 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah I agree. And I think her purposefully risible political stances actively damage the causes she is trying to further.

Treeship, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:47 (one month ago) Permalink

lol even in 2011 her hipness was dated

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:48 (one month ago) Permalink

Hahaah this reminds me of the "Better Things" episode where the group ask each other how many abortions they've had. But even that episode wasn't really making it a source of pride.

Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:50 (one month ago) Permalink

She's connected, and goes to the right parties.

As indicated above, i thought the show got better after the first season.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:50 (one month ago) Permalink

true I think i liked season 2 more than the first now that i think about it.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:52 (one month ago) Permalink

Show sort of got out of its depth with the darker episodes.

Treeship, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:56 (one month ago) Permalink

But it took risks.

Treeship, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:56 (one month ago) Permalink

Which is good.

Treeship, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 20:57 (one month ago) Permalink

and that's okay

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 22:17 (one month ago) Permalink

the last couple seasons have been really good tbh

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 23:33 (one month ago) Permalink

i think the show is fine. I think the comment is fine. who cares.

akm, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 23:47 (one month ago) Permalink

maybe she should've aborted that comment

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 23:52 (one month ago) Permalink

I like the graphic design/typeface on her book cover.

Treeship, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 00:12 (one month ago) Permalink

no matter how bad Girls has gotten or will get, it will always be worth it for this scene alone

Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 03:57 (one month ago) Permalink

y'know, I actually think this is fair enough:

It was then, Dunham said, she realized "Even I, the woman who cares as much as anybody about a woman’s right to choose, felt it was important that people know I was unblemished in this department."

She's admitting that, even though she's pro-abortion, she has internalised the shaming of abortion. I mean, she put it across in an ultimately clumsy manner, but what she's saying is ultimately self-deprecating and making a point about the cultural discourse surrounding abortion infecting even those who explicitly support abortion.

There shouldn't be a thread for Dennis Perrin tweets (stevie), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 12:15 (one month ago) Permalink

i don't think people had an issue with that part (though "unblemished" is kinda....eh...) it's the tone deaf faux bragging at the end.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 12:17 (one month ago) Permalink

hard to see any situation where it wouldn't come out well. advocating for the blind: "I'm not blind, but i wish i was".

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 12:20 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah, well, that is a little (a lot) clumsy. it doesn't invalidate her larger point though.

There shouldn't be a thread for Dennis Perrin tweets (stevie), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 12:23 (one month ago) Permalink

not to the extent that her point was mostly about realizing she's full of shit

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 12:31 (one month ago) Permalink

in general i think ppl who have actually had abortions might give a little more of a fuck about that idiotic statement than you internet bros

and that john waters thing is so clearly a different context and with different aims, i don't see how it's relevant.

circa1916, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 13:29 (one month ago) Permalink

Because I said so.

jane burkini (suzy), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 13:32 (one month ago) Permalink

Both before and after, she seems focused on herself rather than the issue. Before: I need to make sure people know I didn't have one even though I'm advocating it. After: Now that I'm woke, I wish I had had an abortion so I could have the cred.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:23 (one month ago) Permalink

just seems to be minimize the massive physical loss and pain experienced in the process

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:45 (one month ago) Permalink

tho i guess it is a statement of empathy? however badly worded

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:46 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah, well, that is a little (a lot) clumsy. it doesn't invalidate her larger point though.

― There shouldn't be a thread for Dennis Perrin tweets (stevie), Wednesday, December 21, 2016 2:23 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not to the extent that her point was mostly about realizing she's full of shit

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, December 21, 2016 2:31 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:47 (one month ago) Permalink

Her apology is so ridiculous. She is the monster the liberals deserve in 2016.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 23:02 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

@people
.@LenaDunham says she's had her period for 13 days

@dick_nixon
I do in some rare cases favor the immediate and irrevocable loss of citizenship, if not imprisonment without trial.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2017 17:25 (one week ago) Permalink


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