GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

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So it seemed like a few people on ILX did not like Tiny Furniture, but I did, I like Lena and I am really anticipating GIRLS. No doubt we'll talk about all this here as we anticipate the show and all try to look smart (I'm smart, btw).

killa amc (admrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

I guess we can talk about this too: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/lena-dunham-weight_n_1321414.html

Obviously that story itself is not interesting or special (jn fact it is idiotic), but it does raise some larger questions worth considering although goodness knows we should be more evolved than this by now

killa amc (admrl), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wanna be appalled? go to the criterion forum and read the Tiny Furniture thread. Total fanboy meltdown.

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok i just read a few pages of this^ and suddenly i want to become her biggest champion

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

(i haven't seen anything she's done tho)

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

still haven't seen tiny furniture; need to get on that. read two paragraphs of that story about the complaint about her weight. couldn't read any further.

horseshoe, Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

criterion fandorks who complain about WHY ARE THEY RELEASING X FILM AND NOT Y?!?! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE = shut up shut up shut up you are the fucking worst

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I didn't really care for Tiny Furniture on the whole. Lena Dunham seemed like someone who's talented but (unsurprisingly) a little too solipsistic to adequately wield her talent. I'll give her show a shot in the hope that she's matured a bit.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tiny furniture is one of those movies with about zero sympathetic characters. And I really couldn't figure out if I was actually supposed to think that or not.

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Saturday, 24 March 2012 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

I liked Tiny Furniture and am looking forward to this show.

polyphonic, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

I agree completely, chinavision. And I think Dunham was at least canny enough for that to have been intentional. I just don't think she was canny enough to make the overall experience appealing or thought-provoking enough for me to like the film.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

I do want to give her props on a number of fronts. I just can't give her props for cohering those fronts into a particularly good movie.

Arnold Drummond, Process Server (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

totally dug tiny furniture

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture? i mean they did a lot of stupid shit but no one was really hateful, besides i guess the two guys.

max, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm seriously hyped about this; she's way funnier and more clever than she has any right to be.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

i also got a little crush on her y cuz she's smart

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Watched Tiny Furniture on the weekend. It's the kind of thing i normally hate but she won me over by the end.

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 15:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

tiny furniture is pretty interesting. i thought it would be funny but kinda frothy, and instead i thought it said some pretty interesting things, way more than it was an amusing film. like (SPOILERS, I GUESS) the more it committed to refusing the sweet narrative arc you'd expect to unkink & take over - her remembering how lovely Frankie was, or arriving at some kind of agreeable romantic situation - the more it seemed like good, lacerating, self-loathing criticism of dumb, shortsighted early life blundering.

the nyer profile from a while back is good reading also

john-claude van donne (schlump), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

just watched 'tiny furniture' and was surprised by how much i (and especially my gf) enjoyed it.

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

the pipe scene was the clincher

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, agreed.
the pat on the thigh from spent dude was just painfully real.

wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

i channel surfed through Tiny Furniture for a few minutes recently and could barely stand it, the direction/acting was like kevin smith-level bad

ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

"In the street?"
"No, worse than that"

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Dunham is curating a mini-fest where i work called Hey, girlfriend. bummed i missed mulholland drive last night (one of her picks)

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

at least i have seen it on the big screen b4 tho

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

twice actually!

surm, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

haven't seen any of her stuff, she's doing several days of film 'presenting' at BAM, tonight w/ Whit Stillman.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

i sympathized with most of the characters in tiny furniture?

haha me too

i saw one of the episodes on the weekend it was... idk, im p excited to watch them properly but it was a bit of a mess. theres a lot of ambivalence in general i guess

Lamp, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tiny Furniture was horrific but she might do okay in a TV format. As long as she's not directing.

Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

oops hey i missed surm's posts, sorry.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

some dude OTM about Tiny Furniture's filmmaking, but I also can't find it in myself to give a shit about the problems of an educated rich kid in this hard hard world of moving back into the 'rents multimillion dollar loft.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

still going to give Girls a shot, maybe there will be characters who aren't hateable

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think she's more self-aware than people who offer that criticism realize

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think she is sorta cute and seems fun and smart

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

"WKIW", as I believe you say

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Like the scene where she has the big argument with her mother and she's all "I'm 22 and i just graduated and i got my first job". I have to believe that was somewhat tongue in cheek

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think it was, or that the entire movie was one big self-aware joke at the expense of overprivileged twentysomethings... but I'm not sure that it would improve things had that been her intention.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like how the friend from ohio felt like a protagonist that wandered in from some other (slightly more conventional) movie

40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's another thing. She tells her friend a day before she moves to New York that she's not going to move in with her, avoids all her calls, blows her off at the art thing cos that dude turns up etc. It has to be a joke, right?

Number None, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

idk it's all part & parcel of being an actual horrible, spoiled 20-something

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

the character, not lena i mean

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think there was a degree of self-awareness on display in Tiny Furniture, but probably not the degree of self-awareness that she might've had if she'd waited a couple more years to make it.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Which is a lot of why I'm open to Girls being more "my thing".

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

its not a "joke" but it is "self-aware"

max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah but she didn't. She made it when she was like 23/24 and it's pretty much ABOUT being that age.

xxp

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean, she was self-aware enough to not portray her character as a completely sympathetic protagonist (see: the treatment of her friend from Ohio) but I don't know that she was as aware of her character's/her own level of privilege as I would've liked.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's certainly no less self-aware than you might hope/expect given the age and status of the filmmaker.

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Why does she have to apologize to you for being rich

og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Looking is worthless garbage though
― gybe horses (Stevie D(eux))

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 19:37 (3 days ago) Permalink

seriously, i skipped the first season and picked it up this go round and it's quite good.
last episode was A++

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 19:38 (3 days ago) Permalink

I may not "get" togetherness because at first blush everything it does seems pretty tired. however, def agree it does get to some pretty emotionally intense moments.

ryan, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 19:38 (3 days ago) Permalink

I may not "get" togetherness because at first blush everything it does seems pretty tired. however, def agree it does get to some pretty emotionally intense moments.

Yes, this gets at why I want to like togetherness yet it annoys me. It's like the bones of the show-- the characters and their situations, overall and from ep to ep-- are pretty hackneyed. Then there are these "emotionally intense moments," but they don't really lift off, transcend the hackneyed set-up (also they tend to be like talky confrontations, which tell too much more than show).

Compared e.g. to Duplass mumblecore, which (whatever you think of mumblecore) avoided cliches and, though talky, revealed things more enigmatically about the characters through dialogue.

Maybe I've been spoiled by stuff like High Maintenance (and Broad City); the HBO half-hours (though likable) seem more disappointingly predictable? commonplace? this season.

drash, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:12 (3 days ago) Permalink

I watched the first several episodes of Looking from S1 and it was like conventionally attractive affluent dudes complaining about their important problems like being hit on by people less attractive than them, idk I had reaaaaally high hopes it wd be tackling more substantial issues but so far it's just been disappointing as all hell and I resent it deeply.

gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:32 (3 days ago) Permalink

i still haven't seen S1, jump to S2 and let me know what you think? Like the last ep in particular.

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:33 (3 days ago) Permalink

I had reaaaaally high hopes it wd be tackling more substantial issues

well one of them's dating a non-conventionally attractive HIV-positive character so.... progress? it's still p stupid (I did not see the last episode)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:43 (3 days ago) Permalink

the fact that we aren't discussing Girls on its own thread kinda indicative of the nosedive this show has taken...

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:49 (3 days ago) Permalink

(Actually, the only Duplass mumblecore I've seen is Puffy Chair, and I don't really remember it. Probably thinking more of Bujalski's stuff, which I like.)

drash, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:50 (3 days ago) Permalink

forks I'm marathonning S1 so that I can catch up to S2 and watch it and see what all of this fuss is abt

gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:59 (3 days ago) Permalink

cannot rep for season 1 at all! in fact, i think my lack of backstory for the characters has been beneficial as I gotta figure out in media res what their deal is.
would strongly recommend jumping into s2, e2 and catching up with me there. would love another opinion, maybe i'm insane.

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 21:11 (3 days ago) Permalink

I think I am the only person watching Togetherness

I really like it. It's very sad, in a way I appreciate.

I really hated the pilot of Broad City and didn't watch any further, and am always baffled when people are, like, Broad City is what Girls should be.

IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 08:13 (2 days ago) Permalink

best ep of the season! first 5 minutes were hilarious, kinda reminded me why i loved it in the first place.

piscesx, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 11:09 (2 days ago) Permalink

I was kind of amazed that Hannah just decides to be a teacher halfway through an episode and Poof!! she's a teacher by the opening shot of next episode, just gets the job just like that, also seems to be weirdly engaged and decent as a teacher, what???

gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 14:09 (2 days ago) Permalink

Same as. My first thought was "huh? is it that easy to get a teaching job in the States?"

tayto fan (Michael B), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 14:15 (2 days ago) Permalink

but there were scenes explaining that at the school she was teaching at they don't even expect her to have a degree in teaching

IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 14:16 (2 days ago) Permalink

& she sez she's a substitute I think

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 14:17 (2 days ago) Permalink

like, her first interaction w/fran was p expositionary to this effect

IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 14:17 (2 days ago) Permalink

she was a sub at a private school, which is not as hard a job to get. Also, I liked Fran, and I also liked the very simple way he just excused himself from the story and, presumably, the show.

Not disliking this series as much as everyone else, I think it's fine. I also like Togetherness a lot, which admittedly is married-people-mid-life-crisis territory and by default not exactly groundbreaking, but it has some pretty rough moments of truth. Also I have a mad crush on the woman from Heavenly Creatures who plays Michelle.

akm, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 14:35 (2 days ago) Permalink

still really enjoying this show, too. and togetherness feels like 30something to me, in a good way (note: i have not really watched 30something since I was a kid in the 80s)

IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 14:44 (2 days ago) Permalink

i'm dreading if they make something of jessa saying shes still in love w/ ace or whatever. that really felt like a misstep to me, as did Hannah minimizing the taxi hitting the old lady

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 14:50 (2 days ago) Permalink

It was a good Girls ep. Liked Fran too-- nice curveball, turned out to be a perfectly good date. Actually one interesting and unusual thing about this show is that the guest characters are often (intentionally depicted as) more likable than the main characters.

Jessa's an especially awful person this season, isn't she.

It's interesting how unlikability (antipathy) and likability (empathy)-- often leaning to the former-- are so intricately threaded in the characters on Girls, not just from ep to ep but line to line, moment to moment. An experience well-illustrated by Hannah's dizzied reaction to Mimi-Lee (full of shit & manipulative/ self-aware & sweet/ both at once?).

drash, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:08 (2 days ago) Permalink

Jessa is just straight up evil at this stage. I dont know where her character is going.

tayto fan (Michael B), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:14 (2 days ago) Permalink

what's with this btw? is this an NY thing we're not privy to?

piscesx, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:16 (2 days ago) Permalink

douchebaggery

i blow goat farts, aka garts for a living (waterface), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:25 (2 days ago) Permalink

just more contrived bullshit tbh

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:28 (2 days ago) Permalink

i've never seen him as anything but Spock and i'm not sure i'd have even recognised him tbh.

piscesx, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:31 (2 days ago) Permalink

it's quinto right? or isn't it? honestly wasn't sure

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:33 (2 days ago) Permalink

it's insane that people are Looking-bashing in here, this season > the current season of Girls and certainly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Togetherness, did you guys all give up after a couple early episodes or what?

Simon H., Wednesday, 4 March 2015 15:42 (2 days ago) Permalink

seriously gtfo with Togetherness, it's Sundance Jury Prize: The Series.

Simon H., Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:09 (2 days ago) Permalink

Simon H OTM with both his ranking of HBO's Sunday night ennui series and also with his hatred of Togetherness

Tay-Tay Brooklynpants (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:36 (2 days ago) Permalink

I like Looking. Probably “care” more about those characters than any in the other two shows.

In part because, when I watch Looking, I experience the characters as the characters. When I watch the other two, I too often see primarily the actors playing the characters, laboriously acting out a script, the seams of which I notice.

And I don’t think this is due to a genre difference in realism or whatever; when I watch e.g. Broad City or Sunny in Philadelphia, I also primarily experience and enjoy those characters as the characters. This is particularly a problem with Looking for me, “Sundance Jury Prize” otm.

drash, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:59 (2 days ago) Permalink

edit: particularly a problem with Togetherness for me

drash, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:03 (2 days ago) Permalink

not a problem for me, but maybe cuz I was totally unfamiliar with all the actors in Togetherness (apart from the Heavenly Creatures gal)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:09 (2 days ago) Permalink

True, might have something to do with familiarity with the actors in Togetherness and off-screen celeb personae of the actors in Girls. But I don't think it's just that (for me).

drash, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:18 (2 days ago) Permalink

Best episode of the series I think. I hope they keep Mimi-Rose around. She has the right likable/annoying balance that the others lost a long time ago, although this is the first time in ages that I've really rooted for Hannah. Ace is a fine addition to the show's long tradition of absurd, posturing douchebags.

Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Thursday, 5 March 2015 18:10 (Yesterday) Permalink

yeah Desi, Booth Jonathon, whatever Richard E. Grant's character was named. Adam, to some extent

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 March 2015 18:17 (Yesterday) Permalink

I had a date with a gay homosexual last night and we discussed Looking to great length; he told me to stick around and that It Gets Better in season 2. I mean I came in with a lot of v specific expectations informed by my direct exp w/ gay culture so to someone who doesn't have my partic experience I'm sure they're a lot less intolerant of the show, so like I respect other ppl liking it tbh

gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:41 (Yesterday) Permalink

black sails just did a SURPRISE YOUR LEAD CHARACTER IS MOTIVATED BY HIS LOVE FOR A MAN thing that was super well handled but i'm wondering how it's playing with gay homosexuals and non gay homosexuals

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:43 (Yesterday) Permalink

@lenadunham
Watched Citizen Four. Incredible, essential film. Takeaway is we
should all come up with cute funny internet code names for our
friends?

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:49 (Yesterday) Permalink

can't tell if stevie's post is a piss take or not

akm, Thursday, 5 March 2015 20:58 (Yesterday) Permalink

lol not at all

gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 5 March 2015 21:44 (Yesterday) Permalink

it just started airing during a period that I was really fucking jaded and fed up w/ a lot of bullshit and was hoping this would subvert these things instead of perpetuating them but I was wrong

gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 5 March 2015 21:46 (Yesterday) Permalink

i don't think there is any nationally aired subversive gay television programming
and maybe not since pee wee's playhouse?

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 March 2015 21:48 (Yesterday) Permalink

yeah idk if there is either which is why I was like "oh wow it's a show abt gay millenials, maybe this will be really critical and thought provoking!", like I feel like Girls has a lot of commentary abt its characters and its characters' generation and demographic and all of that and Looking does not

gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 5 March 2015 21:54 (Yesterday) Permalink

it's much more implicit yes.
worth noting: one of the executive producers of looking is the chief creative officer for archie comics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Aguirre-Sacasa

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 March 2015 21:58 (Yesterday) Permalink

okay just watched 5 episodes of Looking in a row, just finished season 1, actually am kind of liking it

gybe horses (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 6 March 2015 05:45 (14 hours ago) Permalink

now you're gonna make me go back to season 1
when you get to the funeral episode in season 2, let's see if you're with me

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 March 2015 06:15 (13 hours ago) Permalink


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