Let's talk about Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman, and how unbelievably fucked up this all is

when people call things like this "subhuman", they are not always trying to mark it out as a behavioral aberration that no normal person would do; sometimes they are trying to say that people should always strive and aspire to be better than that

but you know, it's really much more important that we all spend time bickering amongst each other about the proper way to dislike racism and to express said disapproval

The ironic thing is that virulent racists in this day and age are really in essence the ultimate, uncontested "other."

uh

Huh?

i think elmo's point is more that we don't get to pretend that we don't know being horrible is eminently human.

Wait...who's pretending this? Let me just go ahead and clarify my position, for those who are hard of reading:

I acknowledge homo sapiens as a species whose individual members are capable of doing horrible things and perpetuating horrible beliefs. I also acknowledge the existence of free will, which means that most homo sapiens have the capacity to choose whether or not to be horrible. I, myself, occasionally exercise an apparently super-rare and noteworthy aspect of free will wherein I both harshly judge other homo sapiens for behaving horribly and utilize idiomatic expressions in doing so. I also sometimes punctuate my initial instance of doing so with an "IMHO", which stands for "in my humble opinion", which means that it's not a factual statement which people who can't process metaphor should take as a cosmic absolute asserting the existence of literal subhumans.

Also, for the sake of clarification, I'm not saying that your grandmother's troublesome and old-fashioned views of other races or "the gays" makes her a horrible person, unless your grandmother is also burning crosses in people's yards or spray painting antisemitic epithets on synagogues or spouting the n-word in a totes ironic fashion on 4chan boards.

Max, I can't think of any quicker way to ostracize yourself from the mainstream than to be a virulent racist. Nobody likes a racist except other racists.

so ironic

Isn't it? Doncha think?

What's wrong with calling it ironic? Am I missing some nuance?

deric, that wasn't really directed at you; i hadn't even read the entire disagreement. i basically just disagreed with frogbs's take on what elmo had said.

it's weird in a thread about trayvon martin to suggest that racism is a completely marginalized force in this day and age

I didn't say "racism." I said "virulent racism." That is, I truly believe flat out white supremacists sorts are a tiny minority. Everyone else is some degree of racist.

i can think of some people that might feel they had some claim to being treated as an uncontested "other" due to an identity more visible than white supremacist.

It's cool, horseshoe. Nothing but the first sentence of my post was directed at you, fwiw.

just curious how saying 'racists are human' constitutes 'bending over backwards to defend' them, bc i had no idea i was engaging in rhetorical contortionism

perhaps you could overexplain it to me

I think you left out an 'over' or two.

idk, 'overhuman' sounds like a terribly racist thing to say

There is only Zuul.

wait Deric, you weren't talking about bronies?

it's really much more important that we all spend time bickering amongst each other about the proper way to dislike racism and to express said disapproval

like half the threads in ILE pretty much devolve into this (or some form of let's pull out our massive cocks and show each other how god damned outraged we are), why are you surprised

why would people be outraged for having massive cocks

Like half the threads in ILE pretty much devolve into this because a some people seem to have trouble following a discussion that stretches over more than a few posts.

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deric would you say poor reading comprehension is a subhuman characteristic

or some form of let's pull out our massive cocks and show each other how god damned outraged we are

doesn't even happen on the gay thread :(

guys, that was a figure of speech - I don't mean you guys literally pull out your ducks and wipe them all over the monitor

*dicks

Speak for yourself.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/billy_bennight/4187696503/

*dicks

it's been a while since I said this, but...new board description

http://www.flickr.com/photos/billy_bennight/4187696503/

http://images1.vat19.com/covers/large/screen-wipe-duck.jpg

http://www.notmerelycrafts.com/scripts/get/m/shop/i/products__560__560.jpg

which is to say

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oversoul is emersonian and the root of nietzsche's ubermensch iirc, because nietzsche was an emerson-loving softy.

deric i think moral outrage that turns into contempt is useless, if sometimes totally understandable. it makes the already hard job of changing ppl's minds harder. ppl are open to being called out when there is a recognition between parties that 'subhuman pieces of shit' denies. you can erode the certainties prejudice is built on w/out someone being particularly 'ready to change', but pious fury gets in the way. also yr racist grandma is fair game.

thread got "interesting" for a while. wanted to express my disgust at that graffiti, but now i'm worried that others will be intimidated by my massive, veiny duck.

• *dicks

sometimes it's just nice to have a place where you can say go fish, yo to some racists

dtw

dance the watusi?

as opposed to ftw

i think moral outrage that turns into contempt is useless, if sometimes totally understandable.

Uh oh, my facebook wall just crumbled

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/apr/05/echoes-trayvon-martin-kenneth-chamberlain-sr

I give up

^^^was reading this earlier trying to understand the circumstances... like, why did the cops shoot him? there is no indication of motive beyond the blatant racism

holy shit

guessing it was non-specific activation of EMS, cops showed up, banged on the door, heard an old black man answer, were racist, and killed him because all house calls should be made with extreme force

yeah i'm not sure what the hell that's about, am I reading this wrong or was this really just random police brutality on someone who did the old guy equivilent of dialing 911 and hanging up?

jesus

is it standard to send armed police if you trip off yr medical alert pendant?

ogmor, I totally get and largely agree with what you're saying, but you do understand that sometimes people say "I wanna kill that fucking guy" without actually meaning it or intending to suggest that they'd use those exact words in expressing their displeasure to that guy.