Let's talk about Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman, and how unbelievably fucked up this all is

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the miami herald piece is highly recommended

Zimmerman told neighbors about stolen laptops and unsavory characters. Ibrahim Rashada, a 25-year-old African American who works at U.S. Airways, once spotted young men cutting through the woods entering the complex on foot, and later learned items were stolen those days.

“It’s a gated community, but you can walk in and steal whatever you want,” Rashada’s wife, Quianna, said.

They discussed the topic with Zimmerman when the watch captain knocked on their door late last year. Zimmerman seemed friendly, helpful, and a “pretty cool dude,” Ibrahim Rashada said.

“He came by here and talked about carrying guns and getting my wife more involved with guns,” he said. “He said I should have a weapon and that his wife took classes to learn how to use one.

“I do have a weapon, but I don’t walk around the neighborhood with mine!”

Actually, he does not walk around the neighborhood at all.

“I fit the stereotype he emailed around,” he said. “Listen, you even hear me say it: ‘A black guy did this. A black guy did that.’ So I thought, ‘Let me sit in the house. I don’t want anyone chasing me.’ ”

For walks, he goes downtown. A pregnant Quianna listened to her husband’s rationale, dropped her head, and cried.

“That’s so sad,” she said. “I hope our child doesn’t have to go through that.”

Travis Williams, a black 16-year-old who wears dreadlocks, said last year a man came to his house and accused him of stealing a bicycle. The police even came and checked the serial numbers on the bike in his garage.

Problems in the 6-year-old community started during the recession, when foreclosures forced owners to rent out to “low-lifes and gangsters,” said Frank Taaffe, a former neighborhood block captain.

“Just two weeks before this shooting, George called me at my girlfriend’s house to say he saw some black guy doing surveillance at my house, because I had a left a window open,” Taaffe said. “He thwarted a potential burglary of my house.”

Taaffe sounded chagrined when he noted that the complex is now majority-minority. Census figures show Retreat at Twin Lakes is 49 percent white, non-Hispanic, 23 percent Hispanic, 20 percent African-American and 5 percent Asian.

max, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

Everything about this story makes me so fucking angry I can barely see straight.

butvi wouls (Phil D.), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

otm

goole, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

I never sign online petitions but I did for this

it's so fucked up

dmr, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ta-Nehisi is of course on fire with all this. His latest:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/03/sanfords-police-chief-is-the-real-victim-of-racism/254723/

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

I haven't had the courage to listen to the 9-1-1 calls on this, but judging from my fb feed they are fucked up

dayo, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

Zimmerman told police that was him crying for help and that Trayvon started the fight.

so it was him that was crying for help, and he happened to stop crying exactly when he fired the shot - makes tons of sense

dayo, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

The Orlando Sentinel reports that 16 states have adopted laws similar to Florida's since its landmark bill was passed in 2005. Those laws are regularly backed by the National Rifle Association.

leaves out the part where the NRA also drafts the 'stand your ground' legislation

dayo, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

one of the more frustrating parts of this story is that it's pretty clear what that Zimmerman guy was all about, but no one could really step in and stop him before something like this inevitably happened.

ryan, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

Taaffe sounded chagrined when he noted that the complex is now majority-minority. Census figures show Retreat at Twin Lakes is 49 percent white, non-Hispanic, 23 percent Hispanic, 20 percent African-American and 5 percent Asian.

so 49 percent white and 48 percent minority? doesn't add up to majority-minority (or 100 percent, which might be the source of the confusion)... obviously not important at all but just weird from a reporting standpoint.

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 19 March 2012 20:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think they're citing the figures to correct taaffe's assertion that the complex is majority-minority

max, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

would be more clear if they were directly quoting him i guess

max, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

what are the other 3%?

dayo, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't get why a civilian just bothering pedestrians (while armed!) is presumed to be fine? isn't the fact that he got out of his car incriminating enough?

ryan, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

it basically seems like you can walk around Florida accosting people and when one inevitably resists you get to shoot them.

ryan, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's rather difficult to get a quail hunting license in florida

dayo, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

it basically seems like you can walk around Florida accosting people and when one inevitably resists you get to shoot them.

this kind of fits what I think of Florida tbh

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Monday, 19 March 2012 20:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

A police officer “corrected” a key witness. “The officer told the witness, a long-time teacher, it was Zimmerman who cried for help, said the witness. ABC News has spoken to the teacher and she confirmed that the officer corrected her when she said she heard the teenager shout for help.” [ABC News]

13. Three witnesses say they heard a boy cry for help before a shot was fired. “Three witnesses contacted by The Miami Herald say they saw or heard the moments before and after the Miami Gardens teenager’s killing. All three said they heard the last howl for help from a despondent boy.” [Miami Herald]

14. The officer in charge of the crime scene also received criticism in 2010 when he initially failed to arrest a lieutenant’s son who was videotaped attacking a homeless black man. [New York Times]

a hoy hoy, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

DJP otm

Lester the Unlikely (crüt), Monday, 19 March 2012 20:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

whoah this is the first I'd heard of any of this... creepily, the Zimmerman quotes/descriptions remind me of these e-mails my condo assn periodically gets from one of our members who has taken it upon himself to act as "building security" (to wit):

Be careful this morning folks. I was followed and had to retreat and stand my ground early this morning.While being followed. I returned back to the gate and had to stare this fellow down as he did the same to me.He came no further just stood on the corner and stared.He was pacing the buliding when he saw me come out .I went up the hill a bit to evade him.Few minutes I turned back to head Up York As I continue towards 20th I saw him again and he tried to sneak me,but he realized I had seen him.Turning towards me he tried to approach. I turned and headed back for the gate. Stood there. He came no further,but stared me down as he stood on York. I realized he had to know we are protected.Starred him down.I Wanted him to know We are protected..Could not see his face well ..

I find this guy deeply creepy. anyway, carry on...

the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 19 March 2012 20:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

shakey, that dude sounds beyond creepy

max, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

really hope that guy doesnt have a gun

max, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

he "patrols" the "building perimeter" every morning at 4am. nothing suspicious about that, nope.

the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 19 March 2012 20:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

You should call the cops on him.

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 19 March 2012 20:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's occurred to me.

the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 19 March 2012 20:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not that I'm suggesting cops wouldn't act just as creepy. But at least it would blow the guy's mind.

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 19 March 2012 20:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

actually had a recent case here in Austin that was pretty similar: http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2012/02/03/man_killed_in_early_morning_sh.html?cxntfid=blogs_the_blotter

that story doesn't mention it, but there was another one where a neighbor talked about how paranoid they guy was.

ryan, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

“We are taking a beating over this,” said Lee, who defends the investigation. “This is all very unsettling. I’m sure if George Zimmerman had the opportunity to relive Sunday, Feb. 26, he’d probably do things differently. I’m sure Trayvon would, too.

un-fucking-believeable.

Lester the Unlikely (crüt), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

it seems like zimmerman will eventually go down, but this entire thing is obv severely depressing from start to finish

3hunn O))) (J0rdan S.), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

If Zimmerman isn't at least arrested for this, I will go to Florida and build a jail cell with my own two hands and drag him bodily into it.

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

i have faith that eric holder and the justice department will set this right

the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 22:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

okay so the guy on the right is a white guy...?

the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

my habitual hunt for the creepiest commentary i can find has revealed some white people who are very angry zimmerman is being called a white person by the media, since he is clearly hispanic and probably jewish.

goole, Monday, 19 March 2012 22:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

his father called him a "Spanish-speaking minority" in a press release

1staethyr, Monday, 19 March 2012 22:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm not angry really, just confused

the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

lots of hispanic ppl identify as white

1staethyr, Monday, 19 March 2012 22:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

that's news to me

the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

ok

1staethyr, Monday, 19 March 2012 22:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

wow really wish I just did not bother to google "George Zimmerman Jewish"

the prurient pinterest (Hurting 2), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

I live in a heavily latino neighborhood and have lived my whole life around latinos - literally never heard anyone assert that.

I have met a small number of latino Jews (Arturo Ripstein! total bro) but that's kind of rare.

xp

the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's also a german name -- it basically means carpenter

the prurient pinterest (Hurting 2), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

i've definitely filled out forms (maybe even the census?) where "non-hispanic caucasian" was an option

3hunn O))) (J0rdan S.), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

in california they used to say "white not of hispanic origin"

the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 22:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, that's what it is

3hunn O))) (J0rdan S.), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

“We are taking a beating over this,” said Lee, who defends the investigation. “This is all very unsettling. I’m sure if George Zimmerman had the opportunity to relive Sunday, Feb. 26, he’d probably do things differently. I’m sure Trayvon would, too.”

what the fuck is this? by not being outside while black? not going to 7-11 to get iced tea and skittles?

horseshoe, Monday, 19 March 2012 22:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

and of course his main concern is the negative attention his department is receiving because of this

1staethyr, Monday, 19 March 2012 22:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

My black twitter friends tell me that this case is worse because the 17 year old was killed for nothing more than being black. But is the black 17 year old killed accidently by a drive by shooting any more dead than Trayvon? Again, is that any less tragic??

In my twitter conversations I was schooled on “wealth disparities,” and “racial disparities,” and how I was “someone operating in whiteness” that couldn’t possibly understand.

http://blog.chron.com/texassparkle/2012/03/the-tragedy-of-trayvon-martin/

buzza, Monday, 19 March 2012 23:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

(More on that “white” part later)

mookieproof, Monday, 19 March 2012 23:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

it is but that is not stopping me

PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Thursday, 19 July 2012 14:49 (10 months ago) Permalink

fox news' writeup on the interview sidestepping all the crazy/damning shit in gross non-shocker

arby's, Thursday, 19 July 2012 14:56 (10 months ago) Permalink

idk...why i read it tbh

arby's, Thursday, 19 July 2012 14:57 (10 months ago) Permalink

I don't think it's wrong to wish justice on someone who killed somebody and feels like it was totally an ok thing to do.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 July 2012 15:31 (10 months ago) Permalink

he's insane to even give this interview but I'm not so sure he's going to jail tbh

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 July 2012 15:32 (10 months ago) Permalink

His life will be jail.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 July 2012 15:34 (10 months ago) Permalink

What a freeloading cretin.

LISTEN TO THIS BRAD (Nicole), Thursday, 19 July 2012 21:59 (10 months ago) Permalink

really learned his lesson after that bail hearing eh

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 July 2012 22:09 (10 months ago) Permalink

gets lolzier:

he man accused of murdering an unarmed Florida teenager dropped plans for a second television interview after the ABC network would not provide a month of "shelter and security" for his family, his attorney said Thursday.

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 July 2012 23:13 (10 months ago) Permalink

I'm all for forgiving people their crimes but this dude's lack of contrition is insane. don't begrudge Trayvon's parents reaction at all.

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 July 2012 23:16 (10 months ago) Permalink

maybe he asked for one night alone with barbara walters

This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 21 July 2012 04:11 (10 months ago) Permalink

Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:16 PM (2 days ago)

Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:11 AM (6 minutes ago)

NASCAR, surfing, raising chickens, owning land (zachlyon), Saturday, 21 July 2012 04:20 (10 months ago) Permalink

missing your point?

This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 21 July 2012 06:30 (10 months ago) Permalink

Just guessing it's a comment on how long it took you to formulate your zing?

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 21 July 2012 06:31 (10 months ago) Permalink

oh heh i see.
well see i bookmark every thread i'm interested in following but I don't clear all those bookmarks out because that would require a level of ocd that i only accomplish on late nights
and this is one of those.

This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 21 July 2012 06:33 (10 months ago) Permalink

it was more "you seriously just bumped a (trayvon martin) thread to make THAT joke" but nbd

NASCAR, surfing, raising chickens, owning land (zachlyon), Saturday, 21 July 2012 06:42 (10 months ago) Permalink

yeah, that's fair; i should probably pay more attention to how long the conversations gone fallow on bookmarked threads

This clam, stranded on someone’s floor, is trying to dig itself (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 21 July 2012 06:45 (10 months ago) Permalink

what a horrible, horrible person. you have to imagine that if he hadn't murdered trayvon martin this guy's story would have wound up somewhere else sordid -- fraud, domestic abuse, etc.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 21 July 2012 19:31 (10 months ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/27/1244411/jordan-russell-davis/

Less than nine months after Trayvon Martin was shot and killed in central Florida, another black teenage student was killed under suspicious circumstances.

Michael David Dunn, a 45-year-old vice president of Dunn & Dunn Data Systems in Vero Beach, was in Jacksonville this past weekend for his son’s wedding. The Orlando Sentinel details what happened on Friday when Dunn, a gun collector, encountered Jordan Russell Davis, a student at nearby magnet school Samuel W. Wolfson High:

Jordan Russell Davis, 17, and several other teenagers were sitting in a sport utility vehicle in the parking lot when Dunn pulled up next to them in a car and asked them to turn down their music, [Jacksonville sheriff's Lt. Rob] Schoonover said.

Jordan and Dunn exchanged words, and Dunn pulled a gun and shot eight or nine times, striking Jordan twice, Schoonover said. Jordan was sitting in the back seat. No one else was hurt.Dunn’s attorney Monday said her client acted responsibly and in self-defense. She did not elaborate.

these bitches is my sons and i make dad jokes (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 November 2012 22:06 (5 months ago) Permalink

"Acting responsibly" = "keeping the blacks in line", presumably? Wotta hero. Reserving judgment on the one hand, quietly hoping he gets drawn and quartered on the other.

Come Into My Layer (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 27 November 2012 22:18 (5 months ago) Permalink

Dunn’s attorney Monday said her client acted responsibly and in self-defense. She did not elaborate.

Yeah, that's why he left the scene, returned to his hotel room, and then back to his Vero Beach home instead of immediately calling the police and turning himself in.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 00:55 (5 months ago) Permalink

http://not-guilty.net/

乒乓, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 00:57 (5 months ago) Permalink

BACK TO SCHOOL IS FAST APPROACHING!!! KNOW YOUR RIGHTS IF STOPPED BY THE POLICE!

crüt, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 01:13 (5 months ago) Permalink

the dunn dunn data don dada

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 30 November 2012 05:40 (5 months ago) Permalink

I'm curious as to what kind of word-exchange would justify nine shots in response from one side.

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 30 November 2012 16:15 (5 months ago) Permalink

Dunn drive-by dude biggest dick ever. Who packs a gun for a wedding trip? (answering own question before I ask it)

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 November 2012 17:05 (5 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/26/us/zimmerman-letters/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Though Zimmerman is half Hispanic and grew up in a mixed-race family, many of his opponents believed his actions were the product of racial profiling, while others felt the incident was being used to stoke racial tensions. Those sentiments, too, are apparent in the letters

"You are a RACIST BASTARD, who targeted an innocent Black kid, simply because he was Black," one note read.

"You murder a child because of the color of his skin," said another.

In contrast, others saw the racial controversy as a ginned-up conspiracy to condemn Zimmerman and made references to "the race-baiting media" and "threats by the black community and their leaders."

"Black people take every opportunity to claim they've been wronged," said one letter, while another encouraged Zimmerman to keep his head high: "Don't let the damn blacks hold you back."

fuck this country tbh

my super interesting Kant story (DJP), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 21:07 (2 months ago) Permalink

abanana, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 21:38 (2 months ago) Permalink

uh

:C (crüt), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 21:39 (2 months ago) Permalink

welp I'm glad I clicked on that

my super interesting Kant story (DJP), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 21:41 (2 months ago) Permalink

good god.

s.clover, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 21:56 (2 months ago) Permalink

when will i learn not to click on things i've been warned not to click on.

s.clover, Tuesday, 26 February 2013 21:56 (2 months ago) Permalink

hey can we not post shit like that picture thanks

available for sporting events (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 23:18 (2 months ago) Permalink

i'm gonna assume that was onion tweet thinking, but still gonna delete it now...

forks is lucky he didn't get stabbed over a marilyn monroe cd (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 04:57 (2 months ago) Permalink

sbanana

buzza, Wednesday, 27 February 2013 05:04 (2 months ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Since he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last year, George Zimmerman has been trying to convince the public that he was not acting simply out of racist aggression but because Martin attacked him. Zimmerman’s brother, Robert Zimmerman Jr, is not helping his cause. On

Saturday, Zimmerman went on a Twitter tirade against “black teens,” equating the boy killed by his brother with De’Marquise Elkins, the 17-year-old suspect in the murder of a Georgia infant.

As highlighted by Mediaite, Zimmerman tweeted a photo comparison between Elkins and Martin flipping their middle fingers with the caption, “A picture speaks a thousand words…Any questions?”

Zimmerman tweeted the photo at Michael Moore, the NAACP, the NRA, and a Breitbart.com editor. He followed it up with another comparison between the two, tweeting “Teen to West: “Do you want me to shoot your baby?” #TrayvonMartin to #GeorgeZimmerman: You’re gonna die tonight Motherf**ker.”

In case the reason for his comparison of the two young black men was unclear, Zimmerman later tweeted:

.@TheRealPest @michaelskolnik - Lib media shld ask if what these2 black teens did 2 a woman&baby is the reason ppl think blacks mightB risky

Trayvon Martin was unarmed when Zimmerman allegedly followed him and shot him. He had no criminal record. Zimmerman had a history of calling the police to report suspicious black individuals, one as young as 7-9 years old. By his brother’s logic, this frequent suspicion of black people was not due to prejudice but because black people pose a genuine and constant threat to everyone around them.

Zimmerman’s trial is scheduled for June 10.

ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Monday, 25 March 2013 16:52 (1 month ago) Permalink


bob zimmerman??

The @glennbeck have raisin b-lls and rice crispy d-ck (stevie), Monday, 25 March 2013 16:59 (1 month ago) Permalink

this fucking story/family

Darth Icky (DJP), Monday, 25 March 2013 18:12 (1 month ago) Permalink

this fucking story/family country.

s.clover, Monday, 25 March 2013 18:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

WTF, I guess I quit paying attention to this

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/drop-george-zimmerman-murder-charge-article-1.1080161

and apparently there was some witness whose testimony was released last week?
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/martin-zimmerman-witness-758903

Maybe I should start watching the news again.

now is not the time for motorboating (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 03:55 (Yesterday) Permalink

RELATED: TRAYVON MARTIN HAD MARIJUANA IN HIS SYSTEM THE NIGHT HE WAS SHOT

the late great, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 04:19 (Yesterday) Permalink

*it* never got deleted

the late great, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 04:20 (Yesterday) Permalink

ugh dershowitz

steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:50 (Yesterday) Permalink

both of those links were hogwash imo

media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:54 (Yesterday) Permalink

like dershowitz is a dude who thinks we should change the international laws on killing civilians to feature a 'sliding scale of civilian-ness,' forgive me for not taking his pontificating on the american justice system rull srs

steening in your HOOSless carriage (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 14:57 (Yesterday) Permalink

he's the worst, really

they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 15:02 (Yesterday) Permalink

MMA style

gr8080, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 15:09 (Yesterday) Permalink

dershowitz is a horrible person who has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that he has no moral scruples. if i saw him on the street i would spit at him.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 16:07 (Yesterday) Permalink

the display names will fall like rain (Matt P), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 16:13 (Yesterday) Permalink


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