Rolling 'this is sexist' thread

uggghhh

What's something that no one knows about you?

I have TV anxiety! I get nervous being on air, I fear sharks and eat peanut M@M's on a nightly basis.

thread title otm

cuz it is

jeez if she wants people to take her seriously why doesn't she dress like a pioneer?

welllll to be fair the only thing I know about her is
a. she is a woman who races cars
b. there are lots of godaddy advertisements that suggest I can watch her shower if I sign up for a domain name or something?

I'm not defending these people btw, all local news people should be fired, everywhere

"I'm not defending these people, just their ideas"

Whatever you think of her complaint about being referred to as sexy (while doing the GoDaddy ads), calling her a bitch for saying anything is some grade-A bullshit.

I can't even imagine the cognitive skills and coordination it takes to drive a racecar!

if you are willing to be part of a super bowl ad about your sexiness then yes is might become part of your narrative

it might

If you're a woman. And then you'll get called a bitch if you complain about people concentrating solely on that.

again I dont know anything about the drive cars really fast game I just know I see godaddy ads in times square w/ this woman that suggest I can see her naked

I don't know who any of these ppl are

• some asshole news anchor guy
• a woman who drives cars
• a woman news anchor
• an older news anchor guy

TV!

Why do you people call newspeople "anchors"? It's funny

newscasters

If you're a woman.

is the answer to this:

if you are willing to be part of a super bowl ad about your sexiness then yes is might become part of your narrative

in case anybody missed it, ty phil d.

All you need to know about that "sportcaster" guy is right there on his head. He has smug, arrogant hair.

The number of women responding with comments attacking Patrick or saying 'no big deal' is so fucking depressing.

It's depressing, but not surprising.

she probably lives in the suburbs too!

iatee is stepping his game up lately

don't you have some friends you can go hang out with or something

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Popcorn_bag_unpopped.jpg/640px-Popcorn_bag_unpopped.jpg

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?40,file=33115,filename=Popcorn.gif

Rolling 'this is popcorn' thread

bag is a more stylish move at this point

anyway, i understand why her "sexyness" has become a part of the narrative. i understand that she fed into it. i understand, at the same time, how such things snowball and how women are effectively punished (and sure, rewarded) for their supposed sexiness in ways that men just aren't. as a result of all that, i understand how frustrating and demeaning the whole thing must be for her at times.

what i don't get is why assholes like him are paid good money to talk about shit on the air.

sincere question, cause i don't watch sports news: is this something male athletes have gotten asked anytime recently?

The closest I can think of is David Beckham taking shit for seeming to be more about modeling than soccer, but that's about dedication to his craft, not a sexiness narrative in the same way.
So I'd say no.

like there were some beefcake-y ads/fashion shots in the local paper (not sure if they were national ads, or just local ones), and at least one sexy-romantic one featuring that SF Giants pitcher after they won the World Series -- the guy that looks a little like Nirvana-era Dave Grohl. Dunno his name.

Tim Lincecum, probably. He is popular with the ladies. And stoners.

He mostly just gets asked why his fastball has dropped 4mph over the last two seasons.

"David Beckham sexiness narrative"

Jonathan Ross' Becks interview a few weeks back was all about the sexiness narrative iirc.

On another board I visit, someone posted this to a "Funny pictures" thread:

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/418338_319014498145551_181382511908751_908972_406638343_n.jpg

Sure, you can be critical of the "Myspace pose", but how does anyone think this is a good or funny way of doing that?

why is elmer fudd doing the deed here?

it's duck season

i suppose it's not that sexy is sometimes part of the narrative for attractive women athletes, it's that it's almost never not part of the narrative. beckham, i assume they focus on it sometimes but other times not at all.

i dunno how to even parse this dr. pepper thing. it seems like it's satirizing the "man food" approach like in those burger king ads or whatnot while still conveying the same message? those bk ads seemed self-parodying anyway so how do you clown a clown? the "it's not for women" approach only makes me more aware that diet sodas are considered unmanly and that objectively there's no difference between dr. pepper 10 and a tab or whatever in regards to soft-drink genderedness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c4iaetOC54

i don't how many layers of irony or mock irony you need to pack your message in but i'll willingly drink a diet soda w/out fear of developing an auxiliary vagina so that's probably too many unnecessary layers right there.

why is elmer fudd doing the deed here?

― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:13 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

its an old gag where he fires the shotgun in daffy duck's face, and it spins his bill around to face the other side of his head

http://i.imgur.com/QGpyl.jpg

its a comment on the 'duckface' that young women make in photos

Re: Dr. Pepper Ten

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_M89vNDcglYw/RwVyVvVyGUI/AAAAAAAAAWs/Tz-RR51eSu0/s400/yorkie1.png

why is elmer fudd doing the deed here?

― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:13 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's duck season

― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:14 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Rabbit season.

xp

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- Worthington has returned to television advertising with a new campaign that ditches comedian Harry Enfield in favour of 'real lads' exploits.

The commercial aims to make Worthington the 'lads beer for the 90s'. To achieve this Worthington has chosen a laddish creative treatment that pokes fun at men who engage in unladdish activities.

Created by agency WCRS, the ad start by posing a question about laddish behaviour. The narrator asks: 'why do lads always take the mickey?' In answering the question, the commercial then enters a surreal world where we see what would happen if lads didn't take the mickey: they would compliment each other on their appearance and, as a consequence, become interested in hand cream. This would have the disastrous result of smoothing the lads' palms to such a degree that their pint glasses slip straight through and smash on the floor.

The ad closes with the tag line "Worthington. It's a Man Thing'. The campaign was written by WCRS creatives Andy Brittain and Yu Kung and was director by Traktor.

According to WCRS account director Jonathan Rigby: "Our objective is clear - to make Worthington the lads beer brand for the 90s. The campaign marks a welcome return to classic beer advertising - simple, well observed and infectiously funny."

feel like the Yorkie ads might have 'worked', as much as they're cretinous, but Worthington just seems desperate and reaching

"Yorkie" sounds like such a girl thing though.

http://www.nextdaypets.com/directory/breeds/images/1100281.jpg

Is that part of the joke?

No. Don't know why they were called Yorkie though, because Yorkshiremen are all like tough and rugged, 'appen?

"David Beckham sexiness narrative"

I'll do the libretto for this opera fyi

that's pretty disappointing; that video linked is typical racist comedian shit

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/p87njw/stand-up-amy-schumer--can-t-win

― Οὖτις, Thursday, February 12, 2015 6:42 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My eyebrow started down, but by the end it was on its feet

GOP keepin it REAL: http://www.salon.com/2015/02/13/gop_lawmaker_calls_women_a_lesser_cut_of_meat/

The irony of all of Wells's dumbshit kvetching is that Apatow, who is one of those "schlumpies & dumpies" is married to Leslie Mann, who is a stone-cold fox.

Rogen's wife is a looker as well.

In the comments on the second Wells piece, a reader points out that he isn't being sexist because he's being equally critical about less attractive male stars. Which is all well and good, but (A) It started with a less than enlightened set of comments he made about Schumer, and (B) if this isn't as a whole defined as 'sexist', the shoe certainly fits for 'shallow' to the degree that a sample spoon from Baskin Robbins is at a Grand Canyon-level of depth in comparison to Mr. Wells.

Yeah, that.

Also, isn't/wasn't Schumer dating Anthony Jeselnik? I mean, he's no Jeff Wells but

http://www.quotessays.com/images/anthony-jeselnik-6.jpg

Wells says 'I'm Sorry': http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/2015/02/sorrow-uncorks-everything/#more-63213

I know I’m not thinking wrong but I’m probably saying it wrong from time to time.

no you are thinking wrong

"I don’t want to drag the late, magisterial David Carr into this but his passing last night shocked me right down to the marrow of my bones, and we all know how great sadnesses have a way of re-ordering our thinking and opening our minds a crack..."

o_0

and also saying it wrong

just watched the second episode of Amy Schumer's show. she has funny skits that I'd like to keep watching, but it came to a crash with the end bit where she talks about how she used to date primarily Hispanic men and was hence into nonconsensual sex... followed by the "hey, everyone's been a little raped" routine. just thinking oh for fuck's sake, you're one of those, sigh

Relatively small potatoes in the scheme of things, but for some reason, despite the obvious demographics of the collector fanbase, Star Wars licensees still insist on gendering toys and limiting the number of female characthers. When called on it, Hasbro answers in remarkably stupid fashion: http://toybox.io9.com/hasbro-flounders-when-asked-about-the-lack-of-female-st-1686572897

The reporting on these teenage jihadists has a hint of the "they need extra protection because they're girls" about it.

In terms of people running off to IS, that might be accurate

Recently, the CEO of our company hosted a webinar with a business partner of ours, in which she led a roundtable discussion with seven women who are the CEOs of PR companies. We had a blog post up promoting the event, and today I found a comment that was in the "pending queue," from a man who heads up a PR consulting operation. His comment was:

Wow! Is this someone’s idea of workplace diversity? Apparently there aren’t any guys running successful PR shops.
(Please save your flames and address the questions)

In 2015. Just a few days after a report was published noting that, among S&P 1500 companies, there are more CEOs named John or David than there are women, total.

http://assets.feministing.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Screen-Shot-2015-03-03-at-9.52.17-AM.png

is chaka khan a ceo now or wut lol

he needs to ask twitter when International Men's Day is OR IS THAT SEXIST?!?!
(It's Nov 19th)

see https://twitter.com/Herring1967 who has valiantly been putting people straight

Holy fuck those Jeffrey Wells blogs.... In what universe are Lena Dunham or Amy Schumer not "conventionally attractive"? Wells totally comes across as one of those whiny dudes who idolize "pickup artists" and fret over how alpha they are. In actuality, his every word oozes self-pity, lack of confidence, and general social ineptness - all the while spectacularly unaware that his unpopularity with women stems from his behavior and beliefs, not his looks.

I still can't believe I read this. http://jezebel.com/elementary-school-newsletter-shows-different-curriculum-1731540209

A newsletter sent to parents of grade school students in Texas showed very different curricula scheduled for the boys and girls. During a monthly class with the guidance counselor at Borchardt Elementary School, boys in the fourth and fifth grade would be learning about subjects pertaining to “college and career exploration.” What lessons were scheduled for the girls? “Girl Talk,” with subjects like “Confidence—How do we get it and can we have too much?” and “How to form lasting friendships.”

frisco, of course, pinche DFW

Julia Wertz has some thoughts: http://www.juliawertz.com/2015/10/05/on-sexual-harassment-and-public-discussion/

I was bummed when I saw the initial exchange on her twitter feed and didn't know what to say besides maybe apologizing on behalf of my gender but ugh

her site is up and down like crazy but it's worth a read on tumblr
http://juliawertz.tumblr.com/post/130623852724/on-sexual-harassment-and-public-discussion

i kinda don't want to take the creator of a book called FART PARTY seriously, but it's a solid article

welp, funny you should mention it
http://narrative.ly/stories/the-fart-party-really-stinks/

tl; dr: hard life, self-sabotaging, she kinda hates the title too.

She is a great cartoonist, her stuff is v funny

....so she gave up cartooning m/l to explore abandoned buildings? huh. ok. she sounds happier!

sort of. she returned to cartooning (in the NYer, among other things)

from FART PARTY to the New Yorker, what a world. good for her though. i do wonder what that Lizzy Kaplan TV series would've been like, also probably would have never watched it because of the title

Oh it would've been terrible

Just like a Joe Matt Peepshow show would've been terrible

For real? Am I missing something here, that you can read that piece, all about the harassment and abuse this woman has been facing, and your main takeaway and point of discussion is the title "Fart Party"? You don't think that's a bit of an odd priority?

I don't think that's anyone's main takeaway and point of discussion (though of course as Shakey says sometimes an article can be great and not lead to much discussion)?

Andrew, remember when I asked you at lunch last month, please not to explain "What Is Going On In A Thread On ILX To Me"? This is exactly the behaviour I was talking about.

I have formed, rightly or wrongly, an impression that this poster nhex is somehow implying that writing a comic with a scatological title is somehow a mitigating or justifying factor in experiencing harassment and stalking. Rather than say, flat out, "hey, that sounds a little too close to victim blaming" I am taking the time to ask if there is some other reason why they picked out that particular detail to dwell on, because it seemed weird and off to single out. So maybe there is another reason! Hence why I'm asking THAT poster. Not Andrew.

Er, I don't actually. We had a very pleasant lunch, because you (and me! and as far as I know everyone on ILX!) is actually perfectly socially nice in real-life, and then a little while later you texted me to not do something that I wasn't doing.

However, I remember that your text mentioned "if you have questions for/about me, please ask them directly" - it's not bad advice, all things considered.

Andrew, clearly I did not express myself well in that conversation/text exchange, but this is the thing, that I would prefer if you did not do.

I asked nhex a question. I'd like nhex to answer that question, so I can put my mind at rest.

Not have you explain to me what they meant, or tell me that I didn't need to ask the question. This is something that really bothers me, and I'd like if you didn't do it any more.

Now I consider this discussion over. Have a good day.

Then ask them privately! This is a public forum.

uh, no, i did not mean to imply that Wertz somehow deserved the harassment because of the title FART PARTY. thought it was obvious from my posts that i sympathized.
do i pass muster?

Wertz is a good writer, excellent cartoonist, obviously doesn't deserve the online and in person harassment. glad to see her career doing so well.

and fart party was a regrettable name. but hey, i am not one to talk.

she's posted an addendum. it is interesting to me that she's actively encouraging dialogue with her fans, soliciting/responding to emails, instead of holing up in a defensive "don't contact me!" way

Addendum: I tried to address questions I received within this post, but if you have any others, or just general feedback, you can email me at juliajwertz(at)gmail(dot)com.

Second Addendum: I had no idea this post was going to blow up the way it did. I’d like to thank everyone who shared and supported it. I have received a lot of encouraging emails, for which I am very grateful. I’ve also received a lot of criticism, some of which was clearly overly defensive, and some that has been very insightful for me. People who criticized my repeated use of the words men and women have a good point, and I’ve adjusted some things accordingly. Those who pointed out the incompleteness of my post are right in that I was working with just one blog post and I didn’t want to write a novel. The topic is much more broad, of course, but this is just my small input. There is no shortage of other information online and in books about this issue, in no way did I mean to present my point of view as comprehensive, or to speak for anyone but myself and the women in my life with whom I’ve spent years discussing this with. And while I appreciated some of the criticism, I found it interesting that the emails which veered toward unnecessary semantic nitpicking all came from men. Not a single woman took me to task for my word choices. I am not going to get into that for sake of time, but I will leave it up to you to interpret that as you wish. And for the record, many of the emails I received were from men who were very supportive, some of whom even brought to my attention certain things I should elaborate on, which I might do at a later time. But for now, thank you to everyone who supported this piece.

aaand even more:

http://www.juliawertz.com/2015/10/05/addendum/

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/nov/25/film-blogger-leonardo-dicaprio-the-revenant-too-brutal-women-jeffrey-wells

Is this sexist?

"
"'Tokyo' is the story of a man who loses interest in his wife and fantasizes about leaving her. His loss of interest is not merely a reflection of his feelings, but rather his unwillingness to grow old and the challenge age puts to his ego. His experience illuminates our societal obsession with youth culture and our ingrained fear of aging and loss of power. We value women only in the virgin ideal, often because they are thought to be conquerable and and a vessel for validating dominance. We would prefer to live in the fantasy of young skin rather than face our growth and relinquish control to our inevitable death.
"

Jesus God @ this: https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/08/05/too-op-girls-only-panel-metrocon-florida-scientist/