things you're secretly kinda libertariany about

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I''m not sure, but I think I live in George.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

whoa whoa whoa mock iatee all you want but I won't have you sullying the good name of Jay Batman.

A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

refusing basic healthcare to anyone over the age of 65 would save a lot of resources
denying heating fuel to people who live in cold climates, also a good idea (sorry NYC!)
obese Americans starved until their BMIs drop below 20

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

People unable to find work within walking distance of their residence can be sent to a labor prison

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was going to say that this conversation belongs on the fascist thread, but it made me want to move to the country and buy a pickup with a gun rack and burn my trash so I'm conflicted

Unleash the Chang (he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

idg how my opinions on good public policy are 'a persona'. they might be absurdist in the context of modern american politics but remember I'm the dude who defends obama in the politics thread, so I'm p aware of their context within the spectrum of american politics. that doesn't, incidentally, mean they there's something wrong with pricing greenhouse emissions and encouraging environmentally efficient lifestyles.

iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

summary execution of all pets

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Man, people seem to be hearing "gas should cost $23/gal" what's actually being (accurately) said is "gas costs $23/gal (probably much higher), we're just not paying the full bill up front".

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

'people have to pay for the environmental effects of driving' = 'iatee is a fascist'

iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Or pets can only be fed food made from the remains of the elderly who die off

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Full-blown libertarianism would eventually result in a world where nothing much lived besides humans, cockroaches, dust mites, algae and bacteria. But they would all reach a certain kind of equalibrium. Voila! Sustainability! (/doomer)

Aimless, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Did you know that overall, cooling air is a lot less power-consuming than heating? There's really no reason to have large cities as far north as NYC unless there's a significant stabilizing effect due to ocean/mountain proximity. Which NYC doesn't have.

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

totally agree, which is why we should be building more big cities in california

iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think it's more that you have a lot of interesting ideas that proscribe what large swaths of society at large should be doing, but you seldom address your own stake in this!

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw I just completely misused the word proscribe, ignore me

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't care what society 'should be doing', I care about pricing things w/ environmental goals in mind

iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

and cooling is less necessary than heating - no a/c in the south would require reconfiguring houses to old vernacular styles with sleeping porches and shit, but you aren't going to die sleeping outside in a Mississippi summer

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

man ppl get really bent out of shape by this stuff

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

How is "pricing things w/ environmental goals in mind" not a thing that society would do?

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

eugenics program to breed people who can run marathons to deliver news from urban city-state to urban city-state

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

the chances of anything iatee 'wants' happening in america's political context are close to zero, so everybody can take it easy

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Being libertarian doesn't mean not giving a direction for society! It means that specific direction is limited government, subsidies, and intervention

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

marketing campaign to turn unused NYC subway and sewer tunnels into 21st century artists' lofts
art supplies restricted for wastefulness (oops)

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

new TV production banned, all citizens have to watch media projected from a central location onto night-time clouds. No clouds, tough shit.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

wow I had no idea raising the gas tax would have so many unforeseen consequences

iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

no, this is the libertarian thread, you have to pose it as not subsidizing roads or subsidizing gasoline

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just spitballing ways to save the planet.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

makes you think

beware of greek bearer bonds (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

I go to a conference call and this place turns venomous. Waaahhh happen?

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

tbh, though, the effects from denying healthcare to the elderly is probably not that far off from designing policies to either uproot people or make living where they do untenable - going to be a lot of holdouts fighting back or dying off
and killing off old people would undeniably be good for the environment, whereas herding people together generally hasn't been

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

whereas herding people together generally hasn't been

Do you...have anything to support this or are you just mad now?

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah now that i think about it probably better to just leave things as they are

max, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

milo

you are continuing on this path as if ppl have been arguing against your ideas to kill off (note- think about a better euphemism for this) nearlydeads, when tbf nobody is fighting you on these vital reforms

beware of greek bearer bonds (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Do I have any evidence that urbanization (partic. rapid urbanization) isn't good for the environment?
Sure: the Industrial Revolution. Contemporary China.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm not mad, I just think iatee's views - or at least his ways of stating them - are tailor-made for reductio ad absurdum, in that they start off on the absurd continuum.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

'raise taxes on things that cause global warming'?

iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Seriously - if iatee were more serious about needing radical ideas to save the world (rather than, as noted, wanting the NYC he loves), he would be encouraging agrarianism and population reduction. Mankind is never quite so sustainable as when it needs the farmland directly beneath its feet to survive.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

why do people think I love nyc so much

iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

killing off old people would undeniably be good for the environment

Wha? Old people don't reproduce. They have few years left to consume resources. They eat like birds. It's you young 'uns who will be vigorously spawning all those ravenous children, demanding ice cream and Gameboys, and ruining the planet for the next century!

Aimless, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't even own a I <3 ny shirt

iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

my vision of the future is locking everyone into densely-packed urban gulag camps where only billionaires can afford to do anything more than 20 blocks away from their residence, including work.

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valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Do you own a I 8====) NY shirt?

A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

why do people think I love nyc so much

because every idea you float amounts to making life shittier for anyone who doesn't live there?

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

well consider the possibility that climate change will make it worse

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

no

max, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

iatee wants to ruin the yokels' lives... to save them!!!!

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Set up another round of tornados, floods, hurricanes, and droughts for everyone! They're on the house!

Aimless, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Climate change and other human impacts are going to make things worse, and (TMI) combine to be the reason I don't think I ever want to have kids. I don't want to bring people into a world where their kids probably won't get to experience seafood (as a minor example) or maintain a comfortable existence at all.
But making life shittier for most people right now - but in a way that won't effect structural change - is kinda dumb and punitive toward people for having the lives they were born into. And is clearly unrealistic to boot, since no one will buy in. Like I said, ideas about sustainability that accept the size of the US and its population (encouraging mass transit in any mid-sized city, better and faster rail networks, governments actively teaching people to grow some of their own food when possible) are a lot more valuable.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

are you suuuuuuuure that raising taxes on things that contribute to global warming "wont effect structural change"

max, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:27 (2 years ago) Permalink


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