LONG DUK DONG

voted racist, funny.

now do a poll for the Mickey Rooney character in Breakfast at Tiffany's.

Mickey Rooney character in Breakfast at Tiffany's

The first time I ever saw that I nearly fell off the couch. It's just . . . I don't even know.

it's kinda like that bit where Chappelle talks about something being so blatantly racist, you don't even get mad, it's like it didn't even happen, like it was in a movie...that.

Actually, it is sort of like that.

Same with LDD tbh.

Hey Howard, there's your Chinaman.
Thanks Fred.

racist, not funny, but the racism isn't why it's "not funny"

Gedde Watanabe is kind of a hero for owning the stereotyping done here, though. Hughes was probably like "sorry, this role is offensive, but the pay is good" and Watanabe pulled it off like a champ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCEHqCoHWUk

Skip to around 5:25 for one of the more insanely racist moments of modern cinema.

http://dudelol.com/DO-NOT-HOTLINK-IMAGES/Supplies-gif.gif

racist not funny

Gedde Watanabe is kind of a hero for owning the stereotyping done here, though. Hughes was probably like "sorry, this role is offensive, but the pay is good" and Watanabe pulled it off like a champ.

― Johnny Fever, Monday, January 9, 2012 5:11 PM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark

doesn't make it more acceptable

http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2008/mar/in_character/donger_and_me.jpg

^^^Adrien Tomine's take

Linked from this NPR thing.
I haven't ever seen this movie btw

"Sixteen Candles" is an unambiguously terrible movie and, if I'd seen it first, I never would have seen "The Breakfast Club" or "Pretty In Pink"

>:O

x-post - lol - that's awesome

rob schneider plays a chinese man in 'i now pronounce you chuck and larry'? welp.

that comic is so fucking great

^^^

kinda surprised to see so many people rep for sixteen candles unambiguously without mentioning "oh hey, there's also this really racist character in there, just thought you should know" and then I watch it and get to this scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyJBz7Z2EWE

and yeah, gedde you stupid fucking asshole

Did you only recently see it?

yep

it's pretty embarrassing, feels like something out of a 1940s film.

^^ It's sort of amazing when you realize when it was actually made.

well yeah - tbh I find this character to be much more offensive than breakfast at tiffany's simply cuz it was made in the 80s.

john hughes' films don't have any other specious racial stereotyping iirc, unless there's something i'm forgetting. at least nothing that stands out so markedly from the era.

the political subtext of Hughes' filmography is pretty suspect imho, it is very WHITES ONLY

Skip to around 5:25 for one of the more insanely racist moments of modern cinema.

Indeed. Reminds me of the Portlandia "Coffee Land" sketch.

john hughes' films don't have any other specious racial stereotyping iirc, unless there's something i'm forgetting. at least nothing that stands out so markedly from the era.

There's a pretty racist scene in Vacation (which he wrote, but didn't direct) when the Griswolds drive through a Black neighborhood in St. Louis.

I'm a pretty big john hughes fan tbh! I love ferris bueller & home alone & weird science, need to cross the breakfast club off the to watch list.

xp yeah hughes' films are very much the quiddities and agonies of suburban white america

in Hughes' movies, all non-white, urban dwelling people are ethnic criminals FYI

xp

at least nothing that stands out so markedly from the era

how about the scene where Anthony Michael Hall "talks black" in Weird Science

wtf hughes did home alone

the 'police academy' films are chock full of this kind of shit too

btw I watched sixteen candles and metropolitan within like a few weeks of each other and metropolitan clearly ripped sixteen candles off in the female lead department didn't it?

or they're caricatures that want to anally rape you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfipl5BYBqo

hollywood is vv white btw

I was watching Uncle Buck over Christmas and thinking "this is pretty aggressively heteronormative" but... John Candy. I just love the guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu-p_OQChKQ&feature=related

it's kind of amazing how many scripts i've read which have these kinds of scenes and how many of them got made.

look out! black people!

xp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaJhLyDhsgc

i don't mind offensive humor but the stuff is 99% coming from the minds of rich white dudes, which is why shit like the al qaeda joke in 'crank' is kind of unforgivable to me.

Not to mention the "primitive cultures" line/cutaway in that scene.

xp

ppl will probably be smdh over this in 20 years too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL_0ech5F5M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_CUV0Er7EE

ppl will probably be smdh over this in 20 years too

that is an ... odd character yes.

the rolling-up-the-window thing is totally funny tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E8-NklZobg

i don't mind offensive humor but the stuff is 99% coming from the minds of rich white dudes

― omar little, Monday, January 9, 2012 4:39 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

my friend just gave me his brother in law's (white american dude who works in finance) movie script and 90% of it was this kind of racist bullshit

but it was the kind of bullshit that could easily get made

feel free to invent the "someone said always punching up even though they just said 'mostly'" narrative

also wow they made fun of a white trash person totally the same as making fun of Indian American immigrants

http://12-geschworenen-die-hume-cronyn-mykelti-williamson-4-rcm0x1920u.jpg

L-R: this thread, Adam B

"white trash person"

I don't think it's fair to categorize the show as "fairly right-wing" or as liberal so much as always shooting at targets of opportunity. The three-eyed-fish episode where Mr. Burns ran for office took a dim-view of right-wing faux-populism, but there's also

https://frinkiac.com/meme/S03E21/1277580.jpg?b64lines=SSdMTCBCRSBCQUNLLiBZT1UgQ0FOJ1QgS0VFUAogVEhFIERFTU9DUkFUUyBPVVQgT0YgVEhFCiBXSElURSBIT1VTRSBGT1JFVkVS

hahahahahaha

xp-to-adam no one's making that false equivalence

they definitely had the very light version of the toxic "everyone's a target" crap animation shows jumped wholeheartedly into in the late 90s, but it was a little less obvious because the core of the writing was really that 90s middlebrow white dude view that we've mostly solved racism, sexism, and inequality and anyone still affected by those is probably just not working past it

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-djhW_W-QwQ4/VXKKXd9CX3I/AAAAAAAADSc/YdtVltmjH7M/s1600/belief-as-truth-1.jpg

totally thought this thread bump was about the molly ringwald piece. are we talking about that somewhere else?

NV, you're gonna give me nightmares

Stampy the elephant crashing both the Democratic and Republican national conventions is one of my all-time favorite political jokes.

https://playitagaindan.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/12-angry-men-george-c-scott.jpg

BUT THE WHITE TRASH PERSON DAMMIT

Homer was woke before any of you.

https://frinkiac.com/meme/S05E13/426975.jpg?b64lines=CiBJVCdTIFRSVUUhIElUJ1MgVFJVRSEKIFdFJ1JFIFNPIExBTUUu

(several xposts)

Some discussion of the Ringwald piece over at the John Hughes thread, though, oddly, it largely turned into a discussion of Baby's Day Out.

too bad there no other simpsons threads

are

Pretty sure somewhere on the web there is a right wing message board on which users are arguing to which extent the 90s Simpsons is on the left.

classic simpsons was never remotely right-wing -- the al sharpton/spike lee joke is from after that era, i remember being pissed off by it at the time. the jokes about democrats being soft on crime or giving away free money or whatever are clearly jokes about popular right-wing talking points.

classic simpsons was never remotely right-wing

John Swartzwelder, who wrote for the Simpsons from the start for 14 years and wrote more episodes than any other writer is a self-described "hardcover conservative", libertarian, and has been described as an "anti-environmentalist".

John Swartzwelder was pretty personally conservative but the show itself was massively anti-authoritarian from the beginning

Xpost

swartzwelder's views don't seem to have made it into the episodes he wrote. i guess he did write the episode where homer buys a gun, but i wouldn't say that episode was really pro-gun.

I mean he uses his gun as a remote

It's definitely pro-gun in that seemingly every other adult (I think including Krusty and Bee Guy??) in Springfield is a responsible gun owner.

would like to point out tho that the Simpsons persuasively pointed out the one danger of owning a gun for your own protection, in that it can lead to a child getting its hands on it and accidentally shooting someone.

There was an interesting thread on Twitter yesterday where someone was going over old drafts of early episode storyboards and Matt Groening was having to tell writers to take out racist / ableist jokes and make sure the show universe was inclusive.

Separately, Al Jean seems like an ass.

In case you had any doubt about where The Simpsons was coming from with its response to "The Problem With Apu" last night, this is what showrunner @aljean was retweeting afterwards. :( Count me as another once-devoted fan who has closed this door for good. pic.twitter.com/FRpHckk9Ak

— jay smooth (@jsmooth995) April 9, 2018

Yeah Jean tweeted about the episode before it aired anticipating the outrage afterwards. So what was the point of addressing it if all you can offer is a welp shrug and resort to a cheap publicity grab for a show that's been stagnant and practically irrelevant for nearly twenty years.

second half of the last sentence answers the first half

also i would factor in what i assume is a massive sense of vanity and entitlement

anyway stop posting about it in THIS THREAD i keep forgetting

Can only speak up to season 10/11. The notion The Simpsons was right-wing doesn't land for me. Not was it especially left-wing. It just represented whatever the conversation might have been going on at the time. Homer is a moving target. Lisa is probably getting to left-wing, but is developing. Marge could be a version of a grown-up Lisa (she voted for Carter twice etc.)

pretending Apu was ever acceptable is bullshit isn't it? I mean here they are getting called out on it 11 years ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/jul/16/theaputragedy

― thomasintrouble, Monday, 9 April 2018 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'd like to see the doc on Apu. Its a shame he was used to mock US/North American Asians as I do think he was overall a pretty positive depiction given the constraints of not being a main character, and then being a character on a cartoon show at that (Apu having a PhD is as much a part of the caricature as the accent. Its just what Indians do, you know.) Overall I was laughing with Apu back then.

Let’s not invent some “always punching up” narrative about the show that gave us Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel

Al Jean has been running the show for 18 years. I imagine lost touch with reality some time ago

It's definitely pro-gun in that seemingly every other adult (I think including Krusty and Bee Guy??) in Springfield is a responsible gun owner.

https://media.giphy.com/media/32V6UqfX4ffHO/giphy.gif

It's definitely pro-gun in that seemingly every other adult (I think including Krusty and Bee Guy??) in Springfield is a responsible gun owner.

pro-gun is the default stance in America, not something one party does and another does not.

look at all the gun legislation during Obama's 8 years in office. we had a Democratic congresswoman shot in the head and she still supported gun rights.

that's a pretty shitty way to frame her considering she has been adamant about pushing for gun control legislation for 7 years

i love this thread's detour into high school architecture

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/25/entertainment/hank-azaria-apu/index.html

Don't know if this has been posted before.

https://la.eater.com/2018/4/30/17303328/yellow-fever-restaurant-backlash-over-name

Omg that name

Wtf

Even overlooking the racial aspect naming your restaurant after an illness is pretty dumb

"Dengue Dave's"

Matt Groening Says Debate Around Apu Is 'Tained'

er, 'Tainted'

Groening is being so fucking dumb about this, like anyone would care if they stopped putting Apu in a show that everyone agrees has sucked nuts for like 15 years

I don’t think anyone at the Simpsons saw my film #TheProblemWithApu so they make the same points over & over. Points I have already acknowledged & responded to in a 49 minute documentary that is readily available on iTunes. https://t.co/QDvNYTTZgo

— Hari Kondabolu (@harikondabolu) July 18, 2018

For my interview, Netflix stipulated that I not ask Groening about Apu controversy. I asked Netflix, "Is Matt declining to comment on Apu?" They declined to answer that, so I went ahead and asked Matt about Apu. Netflix halted the interview immediately and disconnected the call. https://t.co/RCf3lpwjvI

— Brad Wheeler (@BWheelerglobe) July 18, 2018