Occupy Wall Street 3: Now What?

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i don't understand what you're even getting at hurting

oh hey, rally and sit down in Times Square tomorrow evening.

http://anothernyc.org/may-15/

i just got handed the keys to @occupykst on twitter. awesome. gonna try to run it collective-style like @occupywallst does.

:o

What's kst

@occupyksh

K Street, home base of the ppl who own your leaders.

xp

so this is like one of those splinter factions hood mentioned?

er hoos

what's ksh?

occupy kush

haha occupy ksh

K St is the home (in the sense that Wall St is the "home") of the lobbying firms and think tanks. When DC set up its encampment we were at McPherson Square, at the intersection of 15th and K, a block from the White House. It's effectively "the other end of the pipeline of bullshit."

what is ksh

haha ksh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNlZ32wTWiU

ksh is ksh

its a koan

i know what kush is. never heard anyone call it ksh. i feel like i'm missing something here, maybe i'm just overthinking it.

you know in sd the occupy thing got completely hijacked by the mmj people which i understand is a valid concern but it definitely didn't do the movement (either one) any favors. in fact i'll go so far as to say that a hell of a lot of mmj activists in san diego do more harm than good to their cause.

think maybe i mentioned this upthread though

looks like i even used "hijacked" up there too

(ksh is ilm dude aka kshighway aka [MYSTERY POSTER]

^ now the fun begins

i had never seen "mmj" before, that is a fun little abbreviation. is it common on the west coast?

thank you biggest hoos

yes its very common

on the internet, it's not something you say irl

my morning jacket activists

haha

holy fuck this theme music

its like an snl bit with ana gasteyer or something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9R_DknSSYY&feature=relmfu

excited for all my friends going to NATO. i'd almost found a way--"free" bus--but i would've been otherwise relying on the kindness of strangers for food etc--payday, unfortunately, is ~next~ friday.

feels like its gonna be something i'll wish i was at later

kindness of CHILXors brah, IPAs all around.

I'd buy a hoos dinner.

that theme music is sort of amazing in like a sub-cardew sort of way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnauDrzdOiQ

The thoughts are v much appreciated guys, I know I coulda made it work if I'd planned right.

@occupykst successfully now owned and operated by me and 3 badass women w/serious online organizing skills, humbled to share the userID with them.

recent SFBG article on Occupy SFer recently arrested during that building eviction for throwing a rock at a cop is one of the saddest things I've read in years - basically crazy homeless vet w/drug problems and poor (if any) grasp of politics. can't find it online for some reason.

Been doing a lot of thinking lately about whether ''mere" (politically incoherent) anger is useless or not, whether one needs to have a technocrat's understanding of policy to validate the frustrated throwing of a rock. there's a strain of thought I've been encountering lately that suggests that the above is an "elitist" way of thinking, that requiring elaborate theoretical analyses from the angry for their rage is classist, that "~any riot is a good riot~." I don't buy it, but I can't put my finger on why.

This isn't directed at u btw shakey you just touched on stuff thats bouncing in my head.

no worries that had occurred to me too but this guy's story is just so disheartening - really his arrest is just one in a long litany of run-ins with the law, multiple stints in prison, etc. The guy is schizophrenic (hears voices, the whole bit), had a meth problem, blacks out and gets violent, in and out of institutions his whole life. That he got wrapped up in Occupy is just some marriage of convenience, and it's a bummer. It's not just his politics that are incoherent, it's his anger, his worldview, his whole life.

any social justice movement's goals in regards to him would be to get him help and take care of him, not to make a martyr out of him by putting him on the front lines of a protest where he will come into conflict with cops

I should really find that story arghh...

there need to be at least some people who can do elaborate theoretical analysis and attempt to explain their conclusions to people less interested in or equipped for that kind of thing; these i guess are what you call leaders (the l-word!) and occupy has plenty of them whether it admits it or not; but as far as people being "incoherently" angry, i mean, fucking good that people are angry; i hope they get angrier; and as long as they can memorize a few keywords (collateralized debt obligation!) and get it basically straight who's screwing them (which a lot of people already know anyway) i don't really mind if they haven't read all three volumes of capital. i mean i'm one of them. (if anything this seems like an elitist way of thinking, since it shruggingly accepts that not everyone is gonna be a scholar. but scholars can't revolt by themselves.)

obv different thing from this case which is just :( yeah.

(realize that "read all three volumes of capital" is an ad absurdum cartoon of the level of political engagement you're talking about, since who does that, but still.)

as far as people being "incoherently" angry, i mean, fucking good that people are angry; i hope they get angrier;

I was referring to the fact that this guy was incoherently angry to begin with - he blacks out and assaults people. He's a crazed transient. His engagement with Occupy's rhetoric goes no farther than obsessing over the oath he took to "defend the Constitution" as a member of the US Army, and the fact that the Patriot Act is bad. Also people are taking away his rights. It's like sub-Tea Party stuff.

no i know i was talking about hoos' general concerns

not being like "schizoprenia is a useful tool in the toolbox!"

lol

Guilty lolz xp

hoos i will very much buy you dinner anytime you find me in nyc.

part of the reason i'm so excited about chicago (which, if i can get a ride by tomorrow, i may still be doing?) is that it's finally creating an opportunity to more explicitly make the connections between low intensity class warfare of attrition at home and the war machine abroad

http://truth-out.org/news/item/9205-occupy-chicago-takes-on-the-war-at-home

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2012/05/hacked.html

y'all got me off work on monday, thx B-)

np

yo if i wind up going tomorrow like i'm tryin to trust all of the internet will hear about it