THE MASTER (2012) P.T. Anderson's film on the origions of Scientology (sort of), Starring Philip Seymour Hoffman, Joaquin Phoenix, Amy Adams, and Laura Dern

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stoked for the madness.

( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 05:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

No running time...Haven't unequivocally loved a PTA film since Boogie Nights, but every one's an adventure.

clemenza, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 05:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

haha wow, this is going to be great

lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 07:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 07:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'm saying!!

( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 08:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

there's a casting call soon for some of the WWII scenes being shot here

( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 08:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

is pta really going to take two years making this? i'd guess he isn't aiming for a january 2013 release. had thought he was doing 'vineland' with robert downey jr too. look forward to that towards the end of the decade.

sarahel hath no fury (history mayne), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 08:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

sounds like he started filming in June.

( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 08:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

Great as this sounds I hope the Inherent Vice adaptation comes first.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 10:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

is pta really going to take two years making this? i'd guess he isn't aiming for a january 2013 release. had thought he was doing 'vineland' with robert downey jr too. look forward to that towards the end of the decade.

without knowing much about it or how these things work, i read somewhere that they were maybe gonna film the two things back to back & then edit, with the assumption that editing would take a year, per there will be blood

(oboe interlude) (schlump), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 11:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

stoked for the madness.

― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Wednesday, August 3, 2011 1:37 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 11:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's titled "The Master" yet there is no John Simm to be found. Sad.

Super Villains With Drum Machines (MintIce), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 12:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

no no credibility

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 12:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

jesse plemons of FNL as PSHs son is intrstng

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 13:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

I am not confident that this will be a better Scientology film than Mock Up on Mu:

http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/the-forgotten-sticky-figments

satan club sandwich (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 6 August 2011 04:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

sounds like he started filming in June.

― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:45 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah http://www.ifc.com/news/2011/06/paul-thomas-anderson-the-master-photos.php

caek, Saturday, 6 August 2011 04:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

Also I'm terribly amused by that Mare Island link just above as I lived there from 1979 to 1981 when it was still a Navy base.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 21:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

stoked for the madness.

― ( •ิ.•ั) (gr8080), Wednesday, August 3, 2011 1:37 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

― ice cr?m, Wednesday, August 3, 2011 1:19 AM (7 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

⚓ (gr8080), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 22:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

like this idea. would be cool to see what films buffet and gates would throw their money behind.

beachville, Thursday, 8 March 2012 11:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

philip seymour hoffman and joaquin phoenix, laura dern and amy adams

desperado, rough rider (thomp), Thursday, 8 March 2012 12:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

p.t. anderson and, er, himself

desperado, rough rider (thomp), Thursday, 8 March 2012 12:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Something something or other:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/22/movies/paul-thomas-anderson-film-may-be-about-scientology.html

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 18:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Worth embedding! Maybe this link will let it happen?

Walter Galt, Monday, 21 May 2012 16:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ah hell. Well, yeah, it looks pretty intriguing. Phoenix almost looks like Fassbender there. Pretty excited.

Walter Galt, Monday, 21 May 2012 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

<3 joaquin

johnny crunch, Monday, 21 May 2012 16:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

fucking amazing trailer

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Was just about to post it. Great, great stuff.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 May 2012 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh hell yes

judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

nice.

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Excellent - can't wait for some Hubbard footage

Brakhage, Monday, 21 May 2012 16:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Rah! Just watched it twice through. I'm stoked.

how's life, Monday, 21 May 2012 16:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

the only way i could be more psyched for this is if there are aleister crowley & jack parsons analogues in the movie because their association w/ the hubb

judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

that is pretty much exactly what a trailer should be. hope the movie is that good!

tylerw, Monday, 21 May 2012 17:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost -- got that goddamn right

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 May 2012 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

the only way i could be more psyched for this is if there are aleister crowley & jack parsons analogues in the movie because their association w/ the hubb

omg what if

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 21 May 2012 17:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

is he making a boob out of sand?

caek, Monday, 21 May 2012 17:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

how would you rate your overall health?

strrrong

caek, Monday, 21 May 2012 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Actually you know, what if the whole supposition has been a bit of a blind and it IS all about Hubbard/Parsons/Crowley rather than just Hubbard straight up? The time period is right given the look of the trailer, and it suits the title.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 May 2012 18:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

will lose my shit if there's a Parsons (or Crowley) analogue in this

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 May 2012 18:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

amy adams as marjorie cameron???

probably not tho!

judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 21 May 2012 18:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

radiohead's jonny greenwood is doing the score for this, for those who care about such things. i thought he did a fantastic job with both There Will Be Blood and Norwegian Wood.

Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Monday, 21 May 2012 18:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

was there ever a movie made about parsons? that entire story with the three of them is so bonkers

dell (del), Monday, 21 May 2012 18:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I thought the music in that trailer sounded very similar to Greenwood's TWBB score.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 21 May 2012 18:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

tbh i would watch this for the wrestling seamen alone #pvmic

judas, a homo (elmo argonaut), Monday, 21 May 2012 18:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

i almost auditioned to be an extra in that scene!!!

♆ (gr8080), Monday, 21 May 2012 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

gr8080, mind if I change the year in the thread title now that it has a 2012 release date?

Trey Imaginary Songz (WmC), Monday, 21 May 2012 19:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

nah amateurist is right: this is the only big non-empty gesture he's made

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 September 2013 02:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

the one way i guess they are not empty gestures, at least the last 2 films, is in their deliberate lack of commercial potential, despite costing a bunch. and i guess that's to be welcomed, just to keep the american art cinema alive. and b/c of all that it's hard to really resent PTA. but yeah i think he's both talented and really full of hot air.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 16 September 2013 09:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

i guess i've tried to make my case esp. on the TWBB thread...

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 16 September 2013 09:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

name some big arty full gestures of the 21st century

― Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Sunday, September 15, 2013 9:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

don't know about arty but i was pretty impressed with the thoughtfulness of rise of the planet of the apes, actually. despite its flaws, which i would scarcely deny, there was meat on its bones.

in terms of artier stuff, i don't know, i didn't think take shelter was blowing smoke.

if you go beyond US there's plenty of stuff...

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 16 September 2013 09:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

i enjoyed the master so much more than twbb. again because i found it funny - it was prob kind to lrh, i reckon he's far crazier than lancaster todd having read barefaced messiah, but there still was definitely some of the same comic madness to him that comes across in that book. and the sense of this general madness in the organisation.

Evil Juice Box Man (LocalGarda), Monday, 16 September 2013 09:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

but honestly morbz i don't really know how to answer your question b/c i don't really ask my films to be thematically ambitious w/ grand gestures and stuff. but PTA's stuff is inarguably grand in scale, not a little pretentious, and bombastic. so i was really just saying that the films feel a bit hollow for all that, even the newer one which as noted I liked a lot better than TWBB.

i've noted before that PTA's films (at least since the adam sandler one) get a lot of their charge from a kind of rhetoric of refusal... a refusal of the familiar sorts of narrative arcs, characterization, etc. that most filmgoers expect. they seem to be built almost as a series of perverse gestures in reaction to what might be expected of them. at least to a point. and there are worse ways to make films. but there are better ways, too, i suspect.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 16 September 2013 10:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

watched this for the first time since the theatre, cuz psh. he reminded me of welles a lil here. first half, maybe a little more, is riveting, and i love the jarring elisions: the cut from phoenix hopping onto the yacht to him asleep in the bunk, and then hoffman filling him in with "you became aggressive because you drank too much alcohol" -- huge laugh for me this time. excellent use of pop songs, including the paired set of "don't sit under the apple tree" (longing to be home) and "slow boat to china" (longing to be away) but also that great gratuitous circuit the coat girl does of the dept store to ella singing "get thee behind me satan". finally, i loved hoffman striking goldwater poses in the arizona desert. nevertheless i spent most of the second half trying to remember the exact wording of this hilarious post:

This guy thinks HE'S the Master...but his wife just ordered him around while yankin his crank, so who's REALLY the Master, bam.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:03 PM (5 months ago)

bam.

i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 07:59 (7 months ago) Permalink

"trillions?" "WITH A T."

i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 08:03 (7 months ago) Permalink

even tho this is partly a movie abt alcoholism it's also such a testament to the fun of getting wasted w a bro; these scenes are really vivid and sensual. phoenix's stagger, hoffman's happy ego. you can smell their breath.

i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 08:16 (7 months ago) Permalink

the paired set of "don't sit under the apple tree" (longing to be home) and "slow boat to china" (longing to be away)

woah good ear

|$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 12:59 (7 months ago) Permalink

I liked their relationship, just two guys who want to have adventures surrounded by a band of joyless pedants

― lag∞n, Monday, October 1, 2012 9:23 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 01:52 (7 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Finally watched this, looked terrific on Blu-Ray, major LOLZ when looking at the beginning of this thread and everyone thinking this movie was gonna have Alesteir Crowley/Jack Parsons/blowing the lid off OT VII shit in it. What was in there was very very close to the actual shit that happens in Scientology but was completely irrelevant to the movie anyway.

Dunno why his book was buried in the ground.

Because the mind-blowing revelations that he has spent the last year or so "discovering" before publishing have really been locked in a box in the desert for who knows how long.

dow totally OTM above about Phoenix and David M. in "Going Clear" - the sudden outbursts of violence whenever anyone threatens the movement. That was literally the first thing I thought of. Plus the history of Scientology going to great lengths to silence its critics.

bi-polar uncle (its OK-he's dead) (Phil D.), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 02:54 (6 months ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

I liked their relationship, just two guys who want to have adventures surrounded by a band of joyless pedants
― lag∞n, Monday, October 1, 2012 9:23 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

Still think abt this often

Forks I'd Clove to Fu (silby), Sunday, 20 July 2014 17:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

Anyone know how to score NYFF tix for Inherent Vice?

Iago Galdston, Sunday, 20 July 2014 17:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

this is now on Netflix watch instantly

odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Sunday, 20 July 2014 17:13 (1 month ago) Permalink

The Master, not Inherent Vice

odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Sunday, 20 July 2014 17:14 (1 month ago) Permalink

seeing in 70mm tomorrow!

°ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Sunday, 20 July 2014 17:31 (1 month ago) Permalink

The Master, or Inherent Vice

Walter Galt, Monday, 21 July 2014 07:23 (1 month ago) Permalink

The Master of Inherent Vice

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 21 July 2014 08:35 (1 month ago) Permalink

Great start, but could have done without the 2nd half.

o. nate, Monday, 21 July 2014 15:48 (1 month ago) Permalink

still watchable, even more so on repeated viewings. great palate cleanse for Hemlock Grove's over-stylized, hyper color-saturated, heavy-handed score, overwrought EVERYTHING. thanks for the heads-up 'on netflix'

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 21 July 2014 17:16 (1 month ago) Permalink

musical score for this is appropriately subtle/pleasant.. TWBB seemed way too overkill

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 21 July 2014 17:18 (1 month ago) Permalink

--the sudden outbursts of violence whenever anyone threatens the movement

Reminds me of a year or two ago when I was walking past the Scient010gy HQ on 46th Street in Manhattan and there was an anti-Scient010gy protest happening on the sidewalk outside it.
I thought to myself something like (given what I had recently read about how the Scient010gists treat their members) "a protest is the least those fuckers deserve--they're getting off easy." Just then a car sped around the corner onto 46th St and sped right by me, through a huge puddle, splashing me with water up to the waist.
Since then I've made sure I only think good thoughts about Scient010gy when within a 1 block radius of its HQ building.

Bnad, Monday, 21 July 2014 17:39 (1 month ago) Permalink

ha, they just closed up shop in my hometown. it was a really good location, too.

chikungunya manatee (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:13 (1 month ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

life update: struggling to get through this, have actually come to forgive myself for pausing every five minutes to check up on everything else in the world, consider eating something, etc

it wouldn't stop popping up on netflix's most popular movies lineup tho, idk why

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 28 August 2014 05:22 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

like that entire thing is always full of tv shows why is this one the one everyone can't stop watching

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 28 August 2014 05:23 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

PSH I guess

heck (silby), Thursday, 28 August 2014 05:24 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i'm not a huge PTA fan except for loving magnolia and boogie nights in my teens, but incidentally his whole aesthetic -- the colors,
depth, the movement, shot length, camera... stability, more colors -- is the closest thing my eyeballs have to a genuine primal visual pleasure center. i love taking in the screen. i would really love to just be able to accept that and treat his movies as simple impulse storytelling without anything to pick through but even that's getting harder and harder with him. cruddy storytelling.

there's also always been a part of my brain that connects PTA to worst filmmaker alive christopher nolan. something about them makes them seem like long-lost brothers (part of it is simply the aesthetic palette, def) and with each of PTA's movies the distance between them gets a little bit shorter.

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 28 August 2014 05:35 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

xp oh shit right

the other movie there is the birdcage

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 28 August 2014 05:36 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

if the story here were replaced with that episode of boy meets world where shawn joins a cult it'd be perfect

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 28 August 2014 05:40 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

love how pta gives "brutal unwriterly simpleton with latent sadness and depth" the old college try and still manages to turn him into a nothing shitcharacter that was born yesterday

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 28 August 2014 05:55 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

might hate pta now

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 28 August 2014 07:08 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i preferred the first half of this film a lot more than the second half.

radioplay vs coldhead (dog latin), Thursday, 28 August 2014 10:57 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I thought it was pretty great. Refreshing too.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 28 August 2014 12:37 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

the second half did have me longing for the first half

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 28 August 2014 17:54 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

you're all nute, this movie is one incredible whole

╲╱\/╲/\╱╲╱\/\ (gr8080), Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:24 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

nuts*

╲╱\/╲/\╱╲╱\/\ (gr8080), Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:24 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

gr otm ur all nute

lag∞n, Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:25 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

the ending blows

famous instagram God (waterface), Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:26 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

the rest is good tho

famous instagram God (waterface), Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:27 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

wow "nute" is a weird GiS

╲╱\/╲/\╱╲╱\/\ (gr8080), Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:27 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

the ending is incred

╲╱\/╲/\╱╲╱\/\ (gr8080), Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:27 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

you just hate it because he falls in love with a sandface

╲╱\/╲/\╱╲╱\/\ (gr8080), Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:29 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i hate it bcuz the song is dumb

famous instagram God (waterface), Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:31 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

talkin final confrontation in office not sandface sex time

famous instagram God (waterface), Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:31 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

lol you dont know what an ending is

╲╱\/╲/\╱╲╱\/\ (gr8080), Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:32 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

the climactic scene in the room was great much tension, a sense of shared history, the ruins of a love affair, iirc need to rescreen only saw it once but i liked it a lot, i liked how hoffman and Phoenix just wanted to party and go on adventures and lose themselves and no one else understood them cause they thought they were doing a srs religion

lag∞n, Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:36 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

gr8080 otm

re: you're all nute and re: awesome as a whole

SEEMS TO ME (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:57 (2 weeks ago) Permalink


^ all of you rn

post...aftermath (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:59 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink


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