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i was suggesting that the way it was used by the writer was being misinterpreted not that it was inherently defensible but whatever

Aimless otm I think that's why the argument died down the first time when I said the only possible solution was max's resignation

Your interpretation - that it was purely descriptive - is fucking risible and the wording is offensive even if that interpretation of the authors intent is correct, which I highly doubt

"It's not insulting, it's simply accurate" is, on the face of it, a non sequitur, which makes it a very useless defense.

I wasn't arguing for its efficacy as a defence, lol

"It's accurate" was offered as an explicit counterpoint to "it's offensive". That is an excuse. OBVIOUSLY it isn't a good one, as there are a thousand other "accurate" ways to describe this particular rape victim that aren't offensive, even if you accept "horny mom" as accurate, which I and most others don't

Fwiw I still think it's prob accurate

I don't remember the original context of that but I imagine the idea was a shorthand shortcut for "whether it's offensive is subjective and beside the point with respect to the argument I'm making, which is how this article functions w/in a wider structure." They could have used the word horny, or they didn't have to--sounds more like a particular use of "voice", though, rather than an attempt to provoke

because voice is strictly neutral and has only a subjective role in persuading, repelling, asserting, criticizing etc

if deej thinks I was otm, then maybe he'll go ahead and drop it -- or else partially rehabilitate himself by explicitly commending all the parts of the majority critique he agrees with, while remaining silent on his disagreements and no longer attempting to elicit understanding of, or agreement with, his disputed points.

Haha

sounds more like a particular use of "voice", though, rather than an attempt to provoke

12 PARTICULAR USES OF VOICE WITH SURPRISING RESULTS!

Aimless that post was so vainly cynical I thought a pink Floyd song was gonna break out

we said it was kind of shitty for gawker to call a woman a "horny mom" two paragraphs after describing her rape.

was the original context fyi

A particularly humiliating, trivialising, dehumanising choice of words that none of the other places that chose to run this prurient story used. That is what people objected to, and what you obv disagree with.

Then you were like "why aren't you going after HuffPo" and ppl pointed out that they didn't use those humiliating, trivialising, dehumanising words.

Obv all this is "beside the point" if the point is that prurient articles don't exist in a vacuum, but nobody disagrees with that and ppl were objecting to a specific choice that this site and only this site made, and which you have defended as simply accurate. Or maybe not simply accurate, it's all subjective and beside the point. Or maybe just "voice". Or idk whatever shorthand shortcut you imagine up next

xp - Aimless, do you understand what points deej is trying to make?

My perspective is that deej finds more moral ambiguity and nuance in the situation than anyone else does. He trusts his judgment on that and everyone else finds his judgment faulty and the situation morally unambiguous.

It seems that to deej the word "horny" doesn't carry the same weight of derision that it does for most of us. He seems to view it as descriptive, but not especially demeaning. I disagree. He seems to believe that the author could validly choose that word, within the context where it was used. No one else agrees with him that the context justified that choice no matter how it is looked at.

I happen to stand with the ilx majority rather than with deej. But I do understand the general frustration of someone in his position.

Haha

glad you can laugh, but it really would be better for you to stop digging your hole deeper

Deej laughs in the face of "drop it"

My perspective is that deej finds more moral ambiguity and nuance in the situation than anyone else including me does. He trusts his judgment on that and everyone else including me finds his judgment faulty and the situation morally unambiguous.

It seems that to deej the word "horny" doesn't carry the same weight of derision that it does for most of us including me. He seems to view it as descriptive, but not especially demeaning. I disagree. He seems to believe that the author could validly choose that word, within the context where it was used. No one else (including me)agrees with him that the context justified that choice no matter how it is looked at.

I happen to stand with the ilx majority rather than with deej. But I do understand the general frustration of someone in his position.

/Haha/

glad you can laugh, but it really would be better for you to stop digging your hole deeper

Lol u crazy bastard I guess explaining isn't excusing after all <3

jesus fuck what a way to spend a weekend
everybody go outside, the weather is nicer
(than this, no matter where you are)

I wouldn't be surprised if some of us did other things as well this weekend

Not me tho, I've been suspended upside down in a cellar pressing f5 this whole time

:(

i made a cassoulet

sort of

i did it indoors tho cos it was pissing down outside i think

i was on Facebook a lot

any of this is too much on the "add a pinch of dogshit to a chocolate sundae and you have a dogshit sundae" principle

i mean i'm not gonna say it's been the most productive day, i don't think i've helped the world move in a better direction or anything

fwiw my pulling out of this argument is not at all a tacit agreement w aimless's recent summary of the argument, which I think does not accurately capture my POV. alrightbye

spoke to my dad, did a bit of long-distance parenting on the phone

oh yeah, i cut my fingernails

don't feel great tbh, everything's so empty and pointless going forward

disagreed with some people on the internet, that brightened me up a bit

sometimes feels like that's the only thing that really keeps me going

it's the companionship, you see, or at least the sense of imagined companionship

and it makes me feel like a big man

yo dawg i heard you like clusterfucks so I put a clusterfuck in your summary corner so you can clusterfuck while you summarize.

then how's life made me lol a bit so things haven't been completely bleak

on the whole you just have to get on with it, don't you?

why waste an iota of energy finding a distasteful portrayal of rape survivors distasteful when you could fly a kite

you need to work on getting out of that suspending thing anyway

do you want me to call anybody?

Nah I'm good

Might take up pottery, seems more fulfilling than considering women as human beings

might go outside and see if it's still pissing down with rain and dark and Hull

wins, you should definitely take up pottery; it's very calming
haven't flown a kite in a long time but it is a good idea

I'm sure ur right but I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up the other things, will try to find out if there's a way to do both. Wouldn't want to waste a weekend

you could maybe give up fatuous rhetoric; that's a real time waster

idk man let's start from a baseline of any online argument is a waste of precious time better spent watching 50 shit TV shows going outside

Even so you have expended enough energy to write a couple of paragraphs itt on how we shouldn't be posting itt, why not give us one paragraph explaining why the reduction of rape victims to "horny moms" is so unworthy of our attention

a- you're arguing in the wrong thread
b- you're trolling
c- you seem to spend a lot of time reading my posts on ilx, have you considered going outside?

d- have a turtle urn
http://41.media.tumblr.com/0dd0d90a70136391d2ffc5f83466fb19/tumblr_nn14fyUeoM1qzyx8yo1_1280.jpg

I read ilx, you have a lot of posts on ilx, sometimes I am outside reading ilx on my mobile telephone

cheers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y