why would anyone want to wear those
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
looks like something the bondage-pants crowd would enjoy
― "Holy crap," I mutter, as he gently taps my area (silby), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
Lola Adesioye didn't really say that they were racist. Her take was that they would obviously remind a lot of people of the slave trade but that they said more about consumerism than race.
― Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not sure this is racist. are people just angry at jeremy scott for being a 'weird' designer?
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:41 (eleven years ago) link
or for being dumb and not realizing the connotation of putting leg shackles on a human?
― mh, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:43 (eleven years ago) link
was my pet monster racist
― la musica de harry frogbs (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/20/sports/horse-racing-discovers-new-drug-problem-one-linked-to-frogs.html?_r=2&hp
― la musica de harry frogbs (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
Jeremy Scott is the toolbag with the stupid hair, right
This is basically "not racist but COME ON"
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
is the first thing that someone thinks going to be "oh, my pet monster!"
because I seem to remember that toy but didn't until prompted
― mh, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 01:31 (eleven years ago) link
actually, I think I HAD that toy
― mh, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 01:32 (eleven years ago) link
It had a catchy jingle iirc
― hot knives, wind was blowin' (Ówen P.), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 02:08 (eleven years ago) link
it was honestly the first thing _I_ thought of.i think it's the same color and design.
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 02:30 (eleven years ago) link
Me too
― la musica de harry frogbs (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 02:35 (eleven years ago) link
we're not racistwe're oldpossibly old and racist but mostly old
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 02:38 (eleven years ago) link
^and other lyrics from "Lulu"
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 02:39 (eleven years ago) link
I guess if it was really my _favorite_ monster I'd sure remember it better
― mh, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 03:02 (eleven years ago) link
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:35 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i also thought of my pet monster initially
nb it was actually he-man
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 03:03 (eleven years ago) link
I thought Adidas was being cheeky about Nike's sweat shops.
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 04:04 (eleven years ago) link
None of my monster toys wore shackles.
http://cdn.necolebitchie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/My-Pet-Monster.jpg
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 13:29 (eleven years ago) link
http://cdn.hypebeast.com/image/2009/10/adidas-originals-jeremy-scott-2010-preview-7.jpg
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 13:30 (eleven years ago) link
http://images.partyamerica.com/images/products/en_us/detail/P445596_dt.jpg
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 13:32 (eleven years ago) link
ha, who could conceivably stand behind that
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:48 (eleven years ago) link
Why do shackles remind one of the slave trade more than of just any pre-19th century prison?
Also, those 'shackles' don't look so comfortable.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
when people think of prisons in the US the first thing that comes to mind is the staggeringly disproportionately imprisoned black population, if I had to hazard a guess
― mh, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
it's not so much "shackles" as it is "shackles on basketball shoes, equipment for a sport currently dominated by black men" that is evoking the slavery imagery
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
I just see basketball players, they could be black, white, purple like "my favorite monster"...
― mh, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
I think it's a stretch to see these as racist or even particularly insensitive but I can see the consumerist angle and there might be some patronizing 'kids killing each other over Air Jordans' tired shit going on. Over all, my response is 'meh'; not remotely interested in them and I don't trust the man's aesthetic all that much. That urban toreador look above seems a little desperate.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
purple like "my favorite monster"...
lol
Yeah, the intent could be totally innocent* (I think it is). Not racist, but a weird example where the external context does all the heavy lifting and flips perception.
*in no way satorially innocent
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
^r
"No, no, we're not here because of the racism claims. We're just the fashion police. Hands behind your back!"
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
if these were marketed as basketball shoes i would better understand that association but these are definitely hype streetwear? btw i immediately thought of my pet monster
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i'm really not trying to minimize anybody's reaction to what they find offensive about these shoes but i kinda see this as a natural progression in the work of a kooky designer who has been putting massive cartoon wings on sneakers for a while now
― real men have been preparing manly dishes for centuries (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 17:28 (eleven years ago) link
this goes back to one's ability to edit IMO
like, sure this design makes sense in the context of the Jeremy Scott aesthetic, but what are these shoes going to look like when 17 year old black teen puts them on (ans: just as stupid as it did when JS put it on, with added unpleasant, unintended overtones)
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
maybe if the shackle wasn't completely superfluous-looking to the rest of the shoe, like say if it was actually attached to the opening of the shoe and served as a final fastener to keep the shoe on rather than as a decorative piece with a long ass chain on the back, it wouldn't have evoked as negative a reaction
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
If your feathers were a little lighter, I'd say you were thinking too hard on this.
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
"What if the shackles on the shoe commonly worn by African-American athletes were created from a puffy silver band found at the top of the shoe, above the laces? Then maybe only spacemen from Mars and stardust explorers would be the only ones offended. "
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
What if we just didn't market athletic shoes with shackles in the first place.
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
Are you selectively reading here or were you just jonesing so hard to tell the black dude how he should react to something with racial overtones that you're skipping over the points where I am saying "regardless of intent, it shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone that these shoes would cause an uproar"?
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
Agree. The mental connections from sports shoes to black men, and from chains to slavery, are pretty damn short hops that were bound to occur.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
I can't beleive you just used the verb 'to bind', Aimless!
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
first time i've ever heard "short hops" and "black men" in relationship to basketball shoes, am i right?hah?hah?tough crowd.
― Authorities don't know who shot the 50 Cent the goose. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not out to tell anyone how they should think or whether they're wrong. I will say that if some white guy on one of these college football boards had something like "maybe the shackle was in the wrong place on that Adidas", I wouldn't have hesitated to say ARE YOU NUTS?
I'm not jonesing and I'm certainly not questioning your judgement or where you're coming from on this. Maybe my reaction is a bit too strong, especially since I've never walked any miles in your shoes. But I have to be honest, I would have let loose on anybody else without pause.
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
So is this the rough analog to the yellow-star urban outfitters shirt discussed in the anti-semitism thread?
― eggleston or instagram? (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, as a guy in his late 30s who has no exposure to this designer and has never seen this purple monster toy (stop it), not having any context to go on leans me more into the wtf racist shoe reaction than o rly.
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
Those shoes are hideous. They make Reebok Pumps look like something Michael White would wear to a gallery opening.
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
It still seems weird and condescending to me to let loose on someone who has already agreed that the shoes evoke problematic imagery and is explicitly saying "he probably wouldn't have had this reaction if the shackle hadn't looked so much like a shackle" in a conversation with someone else talking about the fashion inspiration of the purple monster toy and the execution of vision involved in this shoe.
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link