rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

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Thought we should have a thread that's a catch-all for any and all conversations that start like this, since we seem to have like five or six threads for it.

I'll go first:

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

I dunno if its racist but its certainly unlistenable crap

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh dude, I always wonder about this one: "White Girl" by X. what the fuck is up with that? Has John Doe ever addressed it?

kkvgz, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

also, this thread is not just for songs, but commercials, movies, tv shows, jpegs, assorted anything.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh word, noticed this is on I Love Everything.

kkvgz, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah I mean where the fuck is I Love Racism already

cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh dude, I always wonder about this one: "White Girl" by X. what the fuck is up with that? Has John Doe ever addressed it?

what do you think is racist about this song...?

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

Why's he talking about white girls?

kkvgz, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

for reference:

She's blonde,
She's blonde,
Comes along the sidewalk.

She's Blonde,
Leave a trail of blue and black,
Up to you fighting back.

She's Blonde,
Steel chains,
A noose of charms on our necks.

I find out nothing when we talk and sit,
Blue heart passion and watch the set.

Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away,
Cheaters walk, down the block behind this evil street.

She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl,
She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl-

Nineteen,
Nineteen.. losing her man to an old girl.

Nineteen,
Drain every beer left over at home,
and listen to ghosts in the other room.

I Can't!
Why not? You're alone inside his keeping.

Oh I'll replace your drunk old man,
Sit in the parking lot and hold your hand.

Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away...
Drugged and in love out at a club pulling me outside.

She's a white girl, well I'm living with a white girl,
She's a white girl, well I'm living with a white girl-

Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away...
drugged and in love out at a club pulling me outside.

She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl,
She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl

having just finished re-reading We Got the Neutron Bomb my guess is this song is about the young lady that Exene moved out to California with, who was by all accounts something of a bitch who would pull white-supremacist provacateur type stuff to get a rise out of people.

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

blanking on her name at the moment.

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Not racist. Someone else could make the argument for exploitative, but it's a stretch to say that the Kings of Leon have any hatred or intolerance toward black people.

Now apologize for making me watch a Kings of Leon video for two minutes.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I guess exploitative and colonialist (is that the right word?) more than captial-R RACIST, but still like; who does a video treatment that;'s like "OK, you're hugging black kids for four minutes"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

i think it's hard to call a music video 'exploitative' -- what are they exploiting these kids for? no one watches music videos. they have no impact, unless you're lady gaga

colonialist maybe, but remember that KOL are the most popular band in europe

J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

racist, clearly not

J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

would've preferred video featuring band being murdered by black kids

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

It reminded me of a generic John Cougar Mellencamp video. Had they been white kids, it would've looked like 70% of the videos on CMT.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

Still waiting for an apology.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I guess exploitative and colonialist (is that the right word?) more than captial-R RACIST, but still like; who does a video treatment that;'s like "OK, you're hugging black kids for four minutes"

obv the answer is "the dude who directed the new Kings of Leon video, whose name somehow has not yet made it to the bits of the Internet you can hit within 5 minutes of using Google"

(that more than anything else is making me lol, like whoever this was basically went "I'll do this for you and it will be awesome! I don't want any credit tho" *waits for shitstorm*)

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

carles is slippin -- passion pit already did the "hire a choir of underprivileged minority youths" thing

J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

he's not even listed on the mtv site, which is usually v good about putting directors up in there

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

gonna lol if it was Hype Williams

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

the video and song are both unmentionably terrible w/ stupid and retrograde notions about race but i don't think they are simply ~racist~

Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

Sophie Muller directed it.

Kerm, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

more offensive for not being funny

bnw, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 01:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

that was a fake

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

but it was racist because someone realized that they could spell "nigger" by a video game and they set up a soccer video game and took a photo of it and sent it all over the internet

so yes, racist

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

this isn't a thread for lol racism, fyi. keep that shit to "encyclopedia of racist products" or, like, 4chan

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

strictly concern trolling in here.

Kerm, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

I figured it was some soccer thing. Wouldn't have been surprised if it had been real.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

take it to i love footy

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 04:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

love the gawker update where they act like they understood the joke from the beginning

jeff, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

barf

maybe LJ is right about ilx being the smartest message board

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://hipsterhitler.com/

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

gawker isnt a message board

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

ilx is my favorite blog

markers, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

MIXMASTER
RACE

EASTSIDE
WESTSIDE
GENOCIDE

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

is anti-semitism racist or not, because this guy at the bar I frequent is convinced that Birth Of A Nation was produced by Jews & that the Jews control the media etc etc

I know it sucks either way just wanted 2 know ur opinions

4 my muthafuckin mods (crüt), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Of course anti-semitism is racism. It's just that racism against Jews has acquired a term of its own, probably because discriminating them has been so prominent historically.

Where it gets tricky is when anti-Israel or anti-Zionist statements are equated with anti-semitism; of course some anti-Israel/anti-Zionist people are also anti-semitists/racists, but many of them aren't. But your case is pretty obviously racist because the target is Jews as a whole, not Israeli politics or anything.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

are the finns a race?

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ca. 300 Finnish Jews fought in the War alongside the German Army[3][4]. The field synagogue operated by the Finnish army was probably a unique phenomenon in Europe.

Guess they didn't have Google then either.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

take it to i love footy

― p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3),

jesus way to zing an entire bord of innocents wtf

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Subtle "Americans don't like soocer and aren't racist" undertones there

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah really i'm getting some prety bad vibes offa this zorn character. bet he's norwegian/icelandic thor worshipper

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

zorn smash

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 15:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

is this chorus racist?

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 18:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

?

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://dasracist.net/

am0n, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

We have a music festival this summer with the theme "lost in Latin America" which features British ppl doing 'Mexican wrestling' and tonnes of Day Of The Dead iconography as 'fancy dress' but very, very little in the way of irl Latin American artists on the lineup.

http://www.standon-calling.com/line-up

The Cuban Brothers, Mayans, The Menendez Brothers and Venezuelan Alien have no direct connection to the region, afaict.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Sunday, 27 July 2014 07:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

Wait, the Menendez brothers playing at music festivals now?

ed.b, Sunday, 27 July 2014 08:38 (1 month ago) Permalink

tbf every town has its white-kids-play-the-music-of-other-cultures-really-shittily band scene

Daphnis Celesta, Sunday, 27 July 2014 08:42 (1 month ago) Permalink

I'm generally ok with that, tbh, as it generally indicates a level of engagement that goes beyond dress up and cultural stereotypes. If a bunch of kids in Rotherham want to form a calypso band, more power to them. The whole festival appearing to be themed around a cartoon version of Latin culture sits less well with me.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Sunday, 27 July 2014 09:02 (1 month ago) Permalink

that is awesome, hope coachella is paying attention

°ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Sunday, 27 July 2014 19:05 (1 month ago) Permalink

Wait, the Menendez brothers playing at music festivals now?

― ed.b

Haha. "We'd like to dedicate this next one to our parents, for making it all possible."

nickn, Sunday, 27 July 2014 21:03 (1 month ago) Permalink

someone just wished me happy eid even though i am not a muslim! the nerve of some people!!!

j/k

the late great, Monday, 28 July 2014 18:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

Wish this would catch on elsewhere.

Was at a festival in HK in December and saw plenty of headdresses worn by European expats. I found that most European students I met just didn't "get it" and fet that N. America was overly sensitive about contemporary forms of racism.

Eggs and the marketing board behind them, Monday, 28 July 2014 22:23 (1 month ago) Permalink

marcos, Monday, 4 August 2014 17:08 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

We've finally moved on from "I'm big in Japan"

, Monday, 4 August 2014 17:31 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

wtf is that even

Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 4 August 2014 17:32 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

something that needs a NSFW flag for those of us with images off

Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Monday, 4 August 2014 17:33 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

This isn't a very well-written article but the comments say so much about white pushback at any suggestion that anything white people do short of blackface (and maybe not even that) is even a teensy bit racist.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/04/katy-perry-avril-lavigne-pop-culture-peddling-racism?CMP=twt_gu&commentpage=1

Re-Make/Re-Model, Monday, 4 August 2014 18:01 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Was at a festival in HK in December and saw plenty of headdresses worn by European expats. I found that most European students I met just didn't "get it" and fet that N. America was overly sensitive about contemporary forms of racism.

― Eggs and the marketing board behind them, Monday, July 28, 2014 3:23 PM (1 week ago)

something might be said about the difference between that sort of appropriation by white americans and by, well ... by anyone else. i have the sense that a great many people don't see cultural appropriation as a terribly offensive thing in itself, in isolation, lederhosen donned by non bavarians or whatever. appropriated by whom and to what end is where things get sticky. we object most passionately when the privileged cruelly mock or thoughtlessly adopt the identity of those they oppress; therefore white americans in blackface, native american ceremonial garb, etc. europeans might understandably see themselves as operating at a substantial remove from all that.

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Monday, 4 August 2014 18:32 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

^ maybe replace that "understandably" w/ "rightly or wrongly", perspective involved, chains of responsibilty

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Monday, 4 August 2014 18:34 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

huh that's a read on that divide that had never occurred to me. thoughtful.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 4 August 2014 19:40 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I would usually put this in the Race '14 thread since there's no question about this one, but it's germane to the conversation, I guess.

You'll have to excuse me though, I can't ever remember if it's the Mirror or the Mail that's always taking the piss.

A mayonnaise factory manager has quit his job – to live as a NATIVE AMERICAN.

He might not quite be sitting bull, but Les Atkins is going to follow his dreams and tour the country teaching people about the Native American way of life.

The 65-year-old from Walsall, West Midlands retired from his job on July 31 after 15 years of service - but now plans to spend his days dressed as his alter-ego Native American.

I won't repost the pix, but you can find them at the link.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/mayonnaise-factory-manager-gives-up-3986921

pplains, Monday, 4 August 2014 21:53 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

That Low Country Kingdom thing is fascinating

cardamon, Monday, 4 August 2014 22:15 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

'White, military people have crashed (?) and now are underwater (but also in a burning city) surrounded by dangerous but admiring non-white mermaids, the white men maintain their composure'

cardamon, Monday, 4 August 2014 22:16 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Seems to have nothing to do with China though?

cardamon, Monday, 4 August 2014 22:17 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

sketchfactor "has a reporting mechanism for racial profiling," so it's got that going for it.

le hague, Sunday, 10 August 2014 21:23 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I downloaded Sketchfactor and 99% of the entries are trolling, and some are really funny

Dan I., Monday, 11 August 2014 02:18 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Charlie Rich - Behind Closed Doors [Started by Charlie Rose (Charlie Rose) in September 2003, last updated 51 seconds ago by Jazzbo on I Love Music] 6 new answers

Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:20 (Yesterday) Permalink

what do u think of the word 'jazzbo'

2 US archaic A person, especially a black man.

Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:22 (Yesterday) Permalink

Here are names of some toys that will make many reader squinch: Jazzbo Jim, Tombo Alabama Coon Jigger, Ham and Sam, and Somstepa Coon Jigger. They certainly don't represent the finest hour of American manufacturing history.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1991-05-05/features/1991125223_1_black-memorabilia-jigger-jazzbo

Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:23 (Yesterday) Permalink

I had never heard that meaning of jazzbo before! Had always taken it to mean geeks with sick chops.

how's life, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:25 (Yesterday) Permalink

note that it doesnt say it is derogatory in itself, just that any 'neutral' word for 'a person, especially a black man' in early 20th c america will inevitably carry the value inferences of its age

Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:27 (Yesterday) Permalink

I always thought jazzbo was a beatnik term--like a white dude grooving to a Charlie Parker set

Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:30 (Yesterday) Permalink

2 US archaic A person, especially a black man.

that brief definition is provided by oxfordictionaries.com without any etymological support, not that i question their scholarship. i'm curious about this usage, though, as it's new to me. i wonder whether the word was ever really in common use in this extremely generic sense. perhaps the mention simply reflects the tendency of racist whites to turn anything associated with black culture into a hateful epithet?

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:55 (Yesterday) Permalink

this is selling for $1900 on ebay

sick mouthy should be looking to expect around £25,000 for his mint condition ronaldinho bottle opener in 50 years time

Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:59 (Yesterday) Permalink

can i still call jazz guys "cats"?

ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:12 (Yesterday) Permalink

only if you're talking about the ownership of their bases

Nhex, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:14 (Yesterday) Permalink

does the name of the toy describe the character as a musician (playing banjo, "dancer"), or is it simply generic? and is there any clear difference between the two, given popular racist notions regarding "natural" aptitudes?

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:17 (Yesterday) Permalink

asking because i don't think that the tendency of racists to use the language of black culture in a hateful manner should be granted the power to render the language racist. suppose it's a question of degree.

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:27 (Yesterday) Permalink

Someone should ask a Black person.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:45 (Yesterday) Permalink

[nods sagely]

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:54 (Yesterday) Permalink

Albert Richard "Jazzbo" Collins (born January 4, 1919, Rochester, New York[1] — d. September 30, 1997, Marin County, California) was an American disc jockey, radio personality and recording artist who was briefly the host of NBC television's Tonight show in 1957.

The name "Jazzbo" derived from a product Collins had seen, a clip-on bowtie named Jazzbows.

lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:59 (Yesterday) Permalink

Let's ask Prince Jazzbo.

Except he's dead. What about another DJ, Jazzbo Collins?

A popular segment on his show was the "no stinkin' badges" routine. Al would politely request the main guest for that day don a Mexican bandit costume, complete with ammo belts crossing the chest, six-guns in holsters, a huge sombrero and large fake mustache. The guest then had to pose in front of cameras and for the TV audience. With pistols pointing at the camera lens the guest had to say (with emphasis) "I don't got to show you no stinkin' badges." If the guest did not say it with sufficient sinister tone Collins made him or her repeat it until in Al's opinion the guest got it right.

But he's dead too.

pplains, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:00 (Yesterday) Permalink

also from al "jazzbo"'s wikipedia page:

A popular segment on his show was the "no stinkin' badges" routine. Al would politely request the main guest for that day don a Mexican bandit costume, complete with ammo belts crossing the chest, six-guns in holsters, a huge sombrero and large fake mustache. The guest then had to pose in front of cameras and for the TV audience. With pistols pointing at the camera lens the guest had to say (with emphasis) "I don't got to show you no stinkin' badges." If the guest did not say it with sufficient sinister tone Collins made him or her repeat it until in Al's opinion the guest got it right.

lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:00 (Yesterday) Permalink

oh sorry for the repeat post. you've got to be quick on this site.

lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:01 (Yesterday) Permalink

in any event, at least one jazzbo, we know, was racist

lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:04 (Yesterday) Permalink

Oof. My dad has a few Al "Jazzbo" Collins 78s that he played for me when I was a kid, and I remember them as being hilarious, but no idea if they hold up. That's some seriously fucked-up shit about his tv show, though.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:12 (Yesterday) Permalink

Elvis Costello gets Stroppy with Aging Jazzbo

lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:16 (Yesterday) Permalink

apparently, it was once thought by some that the genre's appellation descended from a musician named "jazzbo"

that's according to this site, anyway

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:18 (Yesterday) Permalink

the word "jazz" comes from "jasm", which meant semen but also was used to denote vitality and energy. this according to an art history professor from college.

lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:22 (Yesterday) Permalink

All this jazzbo talk, I was about to make a witty remark about the Hasbro toy company.

But wait. Remember when "bro" was more of an African American reference, soul brother 70s street "jive" talk, etc?

Now it's more about frat boys and white people who surprise each other with bottles of Smirnoff Ice. Hasbro indeed.

pplains, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:27 (Yesterday) Permalink

Most of the music's innovators -- Ellington, Miles, Mingus, Monk, many others -- hated the term "jazz," which they (rightly) saw as limiting and demeaning at best.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:32 (Yesterday) Permalink

Elvis Costello gets Stroppy with Aging Jazzbo

― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, August 27, 2014 10:16 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^fuck elvis i just picked up a gary peacock/mal waldren record at a garage sale, dude rules

ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 16:38 (Yesterday) Permalink

who'd have thought a racial slur would be mentioned in conjunction with elvis costello

a spectrum is taunting ur OP (wins), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 16:48 (Yesterday) Permalink


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