rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

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Thought we should have a thread that's a catch-all for any and all conversations that start like this, since we seem to have like five or six threads for it.

I'll go first:

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

I dunno if its racist but its certainly unlistenable crap

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh dude, I always wonder about this one: "White Girl" by X. what the fuck is up with that? Has John Doe ever addressed it?

kkvgz, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

also, this thread is not just for songs, but commercials, movies, tv shows, jpegs, assorted anything.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh word, noticed this is on I Love Everything.

kkvgz, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah I mean where the fuck is I Love Racism already

cambyrdsclosetvacuumsounds4fun (acoleuthic), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh dude, I always wonder about this one: "White Girl" by X. what the fuck is up with that? Has John Doe ever addressed it?

what do you think is racist about this song...?

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

Why's he talking about white girls?

kkvgz, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

for reference:

She's blonde,
She's blonde,
Comes along the sidewalk.

She's Blonde,
Leave a trail of blue and black,
Up to you fighting back.

She's Blonde,
Steel chains,
A noose of charms on our necks.

I find out nothing when we talk and sit,
Blue heart passion and watch the set.

Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away,
Cheaters walk, down the block behind this evil street.

She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl,
She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl-

Nineteen,
Nineteen.. losing her man to an old girl.

Nineteen,
Drain every beer left over at home,
and listen to ghosts in the other room.

I Can't!
Why not? You're alone inside his keeping.

Oh I'll replace your drunk old man,
Sit in the parking lot and hold your hand.

Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away...
Drugged and in love out at a club pulling me outside.

She's a white girl, well I'm living with a white girl,
She's a white girl, well I'm living with a white girl-

Easy to fall, when part of your skull starts to break away...
drugged and in love out at a club pulling me outside.

She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl,
She's a white girl well I'm living with a white girl

having just finished re-reading We Got the Neutron Bomb my guess is this song is about the young lady that Exene moved out to California with, who was by all accounts something of a bitch who would pull white-supremacist provacateur type stuff to get a rise out of people.

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

blanking on her name at the moment.

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Not racist. Someone else could make the argument for exploitative, but it's a stretch to say that the Kings of Leon have any hatred or intolerance toward black people.

Now apologize for making me watch a Kings of Leon video for two minutes.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I guess exploitative and colonialist (is that the right word?) more than captial-R RACIST, but still like; who does a video treatment that;'s like "OK, you're hugging black kids for four minutes"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

i think it's hard to call a music video 'exploitative' -- what are they exploiting these kids for? no one watches music videos. they have no impact, unless you're lady gaga

colonialist maybe, but remember that KOL are the most popular band in europe

J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

racist, clearly not

J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

would've preferred video featuring band being murdered by black kids

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

It reminded me of a generic John Cougar Mellencamp video. Had they been white kids, it would've looked like 70% of the videos on CMT.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

Still waiting for an apology.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I guess exploitative and colonialist (is that the right word?) more than captial-R RACIST, but still like; who does a video treatment that;'s like "OK, you're hugging black kids for four minutes"

obv the answer is "the dude who directed the new Kings of Leon video, whose name somehow has not yet made it to the bits of the Internet you can hit within 5 minutes of using Google"

(that more than anything else is making me lol, like whoever this was basically went "I'll do this for you and it will be awesome! I don't want any credit tho" *waits for shitstorm*)

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

carles is slippin -- passion pit already did the "hire a choir of underprivileged minority youths" thing

J0rdan S., Monday, 20 September 2010 19:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

he's not even listed on the mtv site, which is usually v good about putting directors up in there

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

gonna lol if it was Hype Williams

juggalo iglesias (HI DERE), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

the video and song are both unmentionably terrible w/ stupid and retrograde notions about race but i don't think they are simply ~racist~

Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Monday, 20 September 2010 19:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

Sophie Muller directed it.

Kerm, Monday, 20 September 2010 19:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

more offensive for not being funny

bnw, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 01:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

that was a fake

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

but it was racist because someone realized that they could spell "nigger" by a video game and they set up a soccer video game and took a photo of it and sent it all over the internet

so yes, racist

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

this isn't a thread for lol racism, fyi. keep that shit to "encyclopedia of racist products" or, like, 4chan

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

strictly concern trolling in here.

Kerm, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

I figured it was some soccer thing. Wouldn't have been surprised if it had been real.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 03:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

take it to i love footy

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 04:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

love the gawker update where they act like they understood the joke from the beginning

jeff, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

barf

maybe LJ is right about ilx being the smartest message board

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://hipsterhitler.com/

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

gawker isnt a message board

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

ilx is my favorite blog

markers, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

MIXMASTER
RACE

EASTSIDE
WESTSIDE
GENOCIDE

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 05:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

is anti-semitism racist or not, because this guy at the bar I frequent is convinced that Birth Of A Nation was produced by Jews & that the Jews control the media etc etc

I know it sucks either way just wanted 2 know ur opinions

4 my muthafuckin mods (crüt), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Of course anti-semitism is racism. It's just that racism against Jews has acquired a term of its own, probably because discriminating them has been so prominent historically.

Where it gets tricky is when anti-Israel or anti-Zionist statements are equated with anti-semitism; of course some anti-Israel/anti-Zionist people are also anti-semitists/racists, but many of them aren't. But your case is pretty obviously racist because the target is Jews as a whole, not Israeli politics or anything.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

are the finns a race?

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 06:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ca. 300 Finnish Jews fought in the War alongside the German Army[3][4]. The field synagogue operated by the Finnish army was probably a unique phenomenon in Europe.

Guess they didn't have Google then either.

http://tinyurl.com/vrrr0000m (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

take it to i love footy

― p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3),

jesus way to zing an entire bord of innocents wtf

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Subtle "Americans don't like soocer and aren't racist" undertones there

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah really i'm getting some prety bad vibes offa this zorn character. bet he's norwegian/icelandic thor worshipper

i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

zorn smash

p.m.s.b. (pre-mall smoke bomb) (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 15:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

is this chorus racist?

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 21 September 2010 18:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

?

my friend flocka (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://dasracist.net/

am0n, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 19:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

one of the most prominent anti-systemic racism/sj orgs in pdx is called the coalition of communities of color, and they use the term "people of color" a lot in their work... ie: "there's an 80% unemployment rate amongst people of color", etc.

initially i reacted very similarly to the posters itt when i heard the way the org used the term, but ime they are pretty damn progressive both in ethos and in the way they redefine census categories to reach more nuanced definitions of race and ethnicity (particularly wrt slavic or middle eastern or african communities, which are difficult to study using normal census categories). clearly they are supported by funds/foundations so it's difficult to say who exactly chose to use the term or who self-identifies as such, but it does seem to be embraced by all sorts of folks involved in this type of work - i'm not sure if that's necessarily a valid defense of the term, but i'm certainly more than willing to defer to others with considerably more expertise

hug niceman (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 17:32 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

this term has been in use since the mid-90s

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 17:34 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I first encountered it in college, ethnic studies depts etc

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 17:34 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Some comic from around that time - or maybe it was a Bill Hicks routine or something - featuring the wacky "So yes, I'm working with persons of color" ... "You mean.... colored people then." "NO! THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID!", etc.

It was edgy. Extreme and out there, dudes.

pplains, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 17:37 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Daily Telegraph blogger and commentator Toby Young wrote: "In his defence, Hansen could cite the fact that America's foremost civil rights group is the NAACP which stands for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. If it's acceptable for the NAACP to use the word "coloured", why isn't it acceptable for him?"[28]

Hansen issued an apology the following day, saying "'I unreservedly apologise for any offence caused – this was never my intention and I deeply regret the use of the word."[29][30]

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 17:40 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

xps used way before the mid-90s, no?

hug niceman (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 17:42 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

oh yeah, People of Color (POC) is a widely used term. I haven't heard "People of Ethnicity" before, but I imagine its an expansion to cover white people from other countries.

relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 17:44 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

good ol Fanon

Influenced by radical theorists like Frantz Fanon, racial justice activists in the U.S. began to use the term people of color in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 17:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Daily Telegraph blogger and commentator Toby Young wrote: "In his defence, Hansen could cite the fact that America's foremost civil rights group is the NAACP which stands for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. If it's acceptable for the NAACP to use the word "coloured", why isn't it acceptable for him?"[28]

Hansen issued an apology the following day, saying "'I unreservedly apologise for any offence caused – this was never my intention and I deeply regret the use of the word."[29][30]

Hansen correctly assuming that if Toby Young is on your side you must be behaving like a cunt.

You are the worst breed of fong (stevie), Thursday, 10 July 2014 08:36 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I am aware this term is a thing btw, and it still sounds weird and hedgy to me

when there's no more room in heㄥㄥ the thread will walk the earth (wins), Thursday, 10 July 2014 09:47 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Wonder if it's a uk/us divide - iirc lex is not too happy w the term either

, Thursday, 10 July 2014 11:26 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I don't have thoughts re "people/person of color" because I feel like it's none of my business to affirm or object--I'll do what I'm told. The term is widely used among progressive, anti-racist, anti-oppression movement people and groups. Which doesn't mean I think it shouldn't still be scrutinized, but afaict it's not seen as problematic by any/most.

Porting that construction over to ethnicity seems like a thuddishly poor choice though--as if no one has "ethnicity" except ppl who aren't mainstream white America, whatever that means and whoever gets to define that, which is so constructed and so much used to exclude whoever is "bad" in popular right-wing myth right now that it's meaningless.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 10 July 2014 13:16 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

For the American market, I mean, obv.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 10 July 2014 13:19 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

-as if no one has "ethnicity" except ppl who aren't mainstream white America,

It was someone in the UK using "people of ethnicity"

relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Thursday, 10 July 2014 13:44 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Oh well that's completely different then

Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Thursday, 10 July 2014 13:47 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

POC works where other terms don't (non-white, minority) because the other terms center whiteness as the norm. "minority" also doesnt work from a simple mathematical standpoint because POC are the majority of the people on the planet. people of color works better than colored people because of its person-first language (compare with 'people with disabilities' and 'disabled people'). descriptive without being restrictive.

it's not a fedora, it's a trill bae (m bison), Thursday, 10 July 2014 13:49 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

"People of ethnicity" is not a term used in the UK. The usual phrase is "BME people".

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:26 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I'm with orbit about "it's not really my say," but the phrase is still centering whiteness as the norm since what it's really saying is "persons of color other than white."

pplains, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

- "So great to be here in Nigeria. Just look at all these people of color."

- "You know, we just call ourselves 'people' here. Perhaps it is you with the peachy pink hues that's so colorful."

- "Yes. Together we make quite the rainbow."

- "Rainbow? If you ever see a pink and brown rainbow in the sky, you'd better get a gas mask."

pplains, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:36 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

google results for "BME people" are all for biomedical engineering depts.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:37 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I have no idea what BME stands for <------ so says an actual British person

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:39 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I gotta BME

Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:44 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Black / Minority Ethnic.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:45 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

all these terms are primarily useful in societies/institutions/environments that are dominated by white ppl, it's never going to be a general term bc most of the world has little use for a concept of 'non-white ppl in general' however its phrased

ogmor, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:46 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

google results for "BME people" are all for biomedical engineering depts.

ah yeah, we'd probably use it more in phrases like "BME families", "BME communities" etc.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:46 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Does BME include Irish?

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:48 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Not usually.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:50 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Well I was joking but being Irish is usually a category on its own when filling out Equal Opportunity forms.

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:53 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

LOL UK amirite?

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:54 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

xpost dunno but it did sign Chyna Whyte

relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:54 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Sometimes Irish are listed as BME. Depends on circumstances.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:55 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Think there's probably residual admiration for Germany too pouring over from admiration for German brands too

Probably a racial component too, Germany happens to be the 'right kind if white' but IDK if it'd be articulated in that way

Idk, I can ask my cousin - she's a big fan of Germany

― 龜, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:45 (10 minutes ago) Permalink

conrad, Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:56 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

pplains otm. I mean I don't waste time objecting to the term because I don't think derailing conversations about race is valuable unless that's your sole aim, just seemed worth mentioning cause ppl were talking about how terrible p.o.ethnicity is, and I don't see that this phrase frames whiteness as the default any less. but I don't use it & nor does anyone I know. Lots of ppl doing important work like the term, fine, I find it awkward & mealy-mouthed. As long as nobody's saying that activists necessarily get the final say on how everyone should feel about these terms, it's not really a thing.

Lots of xps

when there's no more room in heㄥㄥ the thread will walk the earth (wins), Thursday, 10 July 2014 15:10 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

interesting that "POC" came into wide american usage thru fanon, but i don't think he's the originator of the term -- iirc (dimly) it's a french coinage from its own colonial times -- meant as a catch-all term for the varieties of people descended from both french and africans

but tbh i'm getting this from this book: http://www.tomreiss.com/node/18 and it's only touched upon glancingly in the explicit connection. he uses "people of color" because it's the term extant in all the legal documents from the era

goole, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:03 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I'm glad we can all agree that the real problem is activists telling people how to feel a way.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:57 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

"People of ethnicity" is not a term used in the UK. The usual phrase is "BME people".

An HR person in the UK used it when talking specifically about 'diversity awareness training' and it jarred. I was wondering if this was the new POC, which to me as a Brit does sound odd on its own but as IO says, it seems to have been widely accepted so who am I to object.

kinder, Thursday, 10 July 2014 18:23 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

NME people?

how's life, Thursday, 10 July 2014 18:26 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

I'm glad we can all agree that the real problem is activists telling people how to feel a way.

― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, July 10, 2014 5:57 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah don't be a d*ck

when there's no more room in heㄥㄥ the thread will walk the earth (wins), Thursday, 10 July 2014 22:28 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

or ok I guess I phrased it badly, sorry

this is a verrrry unperfect phrase being used to describe a giant fucking mass of people, I was saying that when some of them feel a bit iffy about that phrase then it'd be uncool to argue "well these people like it so nobody gets to argue" and then acknowledged that prob nobody itt was making that argument

when there's no more room in heㄥㄥ the thread will walk the earth (wins), Thursday, 10 July 2014 22:31 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

When I was younger a lot of older australians called migrants "ethnics", fwiw. The other quaint old phrase boomers used was "new Australians".

the Bronski Review (Trayce), Friday, 11 July 2014 04:21 (1 week ago) Permalink

Wonder if it's a uk/us divide - iirc lex is not too happy w the term either

― 龜, Thursday, July 10, 2014 11:26 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

more like an activist/non-activist divide ime. i still dislike "POC" but end up using it for the sake of convenience these days. instinctively prefer "non-white" because yeah, it centres whiteness, but it also reminds us that whiteness is centred anyway, and whiteness being centred is the reason disparate non-white ethnicities have any reason to be lumped together at all.

"BME" in the uk is more the language of non-offensive officialdom than common parlance.

lex pretend, Saturday, 12 July 2014 14:54 (1 week ago) Permalink

not really the thread for it but there are similar arguments about "people with disabilities" as mentioned earlier - social model activists would say that this construction places the disability in the individual as opposed to "disabled people" which tries to indicate that people are disabled by the social structures around them

Daphnis Celesta, Saturday, 12 July 2014 15:15 (1 week ago) Permalink

I thought there was a Rolling "This IS Racist" thread? Anyway, that's where this belongs

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Saturday, 12 July 2014 15:55 (1 week ago) Permalink

From the HR dept that brought us 'people of ethnicity', a whole salespitch about how great 'diversity management' is. With no definition of that term anywhere - at face value it sounds like 'ethnic cleansing' or something. They also stated that some people are non-ethnic (despite defining 'ethnicity' elsewhere in the expected way).

kinder, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 18:14 (Yesterday) Permalink

diversity management: you know, infiltrating their organizations, paying for more riot patrol overtime, defunding preschool programs

j., Wednesday, 23 July 2014 19:09 (Yesterday) Permalink

i'm hispanic and i use 'people of color' regularly. my dad who is an immigrant HATES 'people of color' to him it's exactly the same as "colored people." when my brother went to college, he received a letter of welcome from the students of color organization and my dad flipped out and was so offended that they were labeling my brother as "colored." i tried to explain to him that the term "people of color" is widely used by anti-racism activists as a way to promote solidarity among nonwhite people but he didn't really get it. in the same conversation i told my mom that "queer" was reclaimed similarly by LGBT communities and she was very surprised.

i also use 'non-white' fairly often too.

i understand why someone would find 'people of color' just as meaningless as 'people of ethnicity' but i find the latter to be very clunky. but yet all of these terms locate whiteness as the norm/center, and i don't know if you can get away from that in a world where whiteness is exactly that.

marcos, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 19:22 (Yesterday) Permalink

i don't know if you can get away from that in a world where whiteness is exactly that.

eh not that whiteness is the norm but that it is the "perceived norm", maybe "center" is really the better word

marcos, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 19:23 (Yesterday) Permalink

yeah definitely. i don't really get the issue, whiteness affects all "non-whiteness" in specific, massive infrastructural ways, and a term like "poc" is sort of necessary to address that. like a lot of things i think a lot of resistance to it is because it strikes people as new and tacky. especially if they mentally link it to tumblr. never underestimate perceived tackiness.

otoh a lot of people cling to "POC" when they're really just talking about one race. i've seen a lot of people use it when they're really only talking about black people, i guess bc people treat it as the "sensitive" term to use rather than a term with a specific purpose, and in that way it can be used to unintentionally whitewash things by failing to address specific issues that don't apply to all POC.

i don't get "people of ethnicity" doesn't everyone have ethnicity? i think i am a people of ethnicity. that seems built off of a misuse of the word. usually regarding cuisine. university "department of ethnicity"s make sense to me cause i've always interpreted that as being the sort of study of ethnicities in relation to each other, and it's difficult for an entire dept to study minority ethnicities without confronting majority ones.

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 22:55 (Yesterday) Permalink

Ethnicity makes all sort of sense in the Asian American context, "Asian" not being a 'race' in the same way that being 'white' or 'black' is, although people will often try to use it in that way

I imagine it is the same with the descriptor Latin@

, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 23:26 (Yesterday) Permalink

oh god "department of ethnicity" what is wrong with me

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 24 July 2014 00:30 (14 hours ago) Permalink


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