Even those among us who, you know, actually may get one.
― Eric H., Saturday, 11 September 2010 18:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
Pick only one Sight and Sound Top Ten Poll.Which Sight & Sound all-time top 10 list is the best?
― Eric H., Saturday, 11 September 2010 18:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
Like how conservative or how totally idiosyncratic would you let your list get?
― Eric H., Saturday, 11 September 2010 18:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
The Godfather Parts II & III as one entry, just to fuck with them
― Mosquepanik at Ground Zero (abanana), Saturday, 11 September 2010 20:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'd probably exclude all three movies as one entry.
― Eric H., Saturday, 11 September 2010 23:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
is there any particular criteria for the ballot?
― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Saturday, 11 September 2010 23:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
Someone put a TV commercial on their ballot in '02, so I'd say not.
― Eric H., Saturday, 11 September 2010 23:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
depressing as hell and sign o the times to think anyone here could vote in the sight and sound poll (is this how vertigo leapfrogged rules of the game???)
― balls, Sunday, 12 September 2010 00:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
if i was voting i'm pretty sure my ballot would be very conservative (serving the poll's purpose - establishing film's canon - and usefulness - for 13-15 year olds who care about film criticism). it would give a somewhat misleading picture of my taste (if not my judgment) and i'd be amazed if two movies post-1970 made the list.
― balls, Sunday, 12 September 2010 00:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
tokyo storystalkerceline and julie go boatingthe apu trilogyordet8.5dr. strangelovepersonawritten in the windvertigo
a combination of movies i love, but arent necessary perfect and movies which i (and not only i of course) think are masterpieces and i might love them a little less - those couldve been 2 completely different lists!
― Zeno, Sunday, 12 September 2010 01:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
air budair bud 2michael jackson thriller videodavid at the dentistfield of dreamsbarely legal #15citizen kanebringing up babyesteban buttez: the first ten postsgoonies
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 12 September 2010 01:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
haahahaha
― max skim (k3vin k.), Sunday, 12 September 2010 01:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
mmm.. on 2nd thought all of them are masterpieces i love, except from the Sirk one maybe.here is an alternative list of favourites, who aren't the best:
stroszekwritten on the windlove streamsclaire's kneemullolland drivebande a partlos olvidadosrio bravopeeping tomtouch of evil (kane is better but i love this one more)
― Zeno, Sunday, 12 September 2010 01:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
My pretend ballot:
1. Nashville (1975)2. Rosemary's Baby (1968)3. The Godfather I & II (1972/74)4. Double Indemnity (1944)5. Spellbound (2002)6. Sweet Smell of Success (1957)7. Goin' Down the Road (1970)8. The Conversation (1974)9. Boogie Nights (1997)10. Zodiac (2007)
I’ve been circulating variations on this list for a long time. I tend to reshuffle the same 25 or so films, adding a couple of new ones every few years, and I often end up listing things past the point where I’m actually sick of them. So while I know the last two picks especially wouldn’t endear me to Ozu lovers, at least they’re sort of new.
8.5--I love the look of that. It’s like making reference to 84/7 Angry Men.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 03:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
ok slight digression - can anyone explain to me 12 angry men's continuing high placement on imdb's top 250. i can only figure that it's not prominent enough to draw challops or ppl determined to take it down a peg but widely seen enough to get votes (i'm picturing a huge segment of it's high ratings coming from high schoolers who had to watch it in class and were surprised they actually liked it) but this describes A LOT of movies and every other old movie there - casablanca, some hitchcocks, citizen kane, to kill a mockingbird, etc - is pretty much what you might guess would pop up if you polled a million or so people on the internet.
― balls, Sunday, 12 September 2010 03:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
Zeno, your more personal list is predictably much better and more interesting than the canon-hewing one.
― Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 05:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
Without thinking too long:
PlaytimeOut 1ShowgirlsNostalgia (Frampton)39 StepsPoto and Cabengo/Routine Pleasures/My Crasy LifeLe joli maiPlatformJeanne DielmanMan With A Movie Camera
― C0L1N B..., Sunday, 12 September 2010 06:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
first ten that came to my head:
cries and whispersdead presidentsfive easy piecesinteriorsjules et jimall above everopetaxi driverbirthrosetta
― one hood ass geometry teacher (The Brainwasher), Sunday, 12 September 2010 06:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
Sherlock Jr.The MirrorA Moment of Innocence2001: A Space OdysseyL'AtalanteVertigoEuropa '51Black GirlThe Man Who Shot Liberty ValanceFires on the Plain
and about 200 others, rotating
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 September 2010 06:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's really an indefensible process. I mean, I left Rose Hobart and The King of Comedy off.
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 September 2010 06:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
EraserheadThe Seventh Seal2001: A Space OdysseyCity LightsSeven SamuraiThe Thin Red LineCrash (Cronenberg)Battleship PotemkinThe GodfatherThe Brown Bunny
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 12 September 2010 07:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
you guys ... you guys know you have to vote for kane, right
(serving the poll's purpose - establishing film's canon - and usefulness - for 13-15 year olds who care about film criticism)
is this based on anything specific, out of curiosity?
― FORTIFIED STEAMED VEGETABLE BOWL (schlump), Sunday, 12 September 2010 08:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
blancheplaytimethe conversationmichael claytonthe thingfloating weedsthin red linele samouraicrankl'atalante
― cozen, Sunday, 12 September 2010 09:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
crank!
― Davek (davek_00), Sunday, 12 September 2010 10:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
think it's based on what's-his-nuts's intense, unexplained rage/resentment issues?
― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Sunday, 12 September 2010 10:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
the point is simply that I don't see enough fun action films
― Davek (davek_00), Sunday, 12 September 2010 10:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
so this thread is "pox: movies of ALL FUCKING TIME"? I'm not even going to take a stab at it.
― when you've got a fist all ur problems look like faces (kenan), Sunday, 12 September 2010 12:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh wait, it's if you had a ballot. I see.
― when you've got a fist all ur problems look like faces (kenan), Sunday, 12 September 2010 12:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
The Seventh SealDays of HeavenLe SamouraiThe Third ManKings and QueenOnce Upon a Time in the West2001Passion of Joan of ArcRushmoreTaxi Driver
― a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Sunday, 12 September 2010 13:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
where's gamer?
― gunpei yokoi's cunt hunt (cozen), Sunday, 12 September 2010 13:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
Mine:
The Rules of the GameEarly SummerThe Lady EveThe LeopardThe Naked Gun 2 1/2McCabe & Mrs MillerMulholland DriveRear WindowOnly Angels Have WingsMy Own Private Idaho
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 September 2010 13:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
Hmmm I hate lists
MMishimaSimon del Desierto1st verzh of Man Who Knew Too Much1st 2 GodfathersFor a Few Dollars MoreA Canterbury TaleZodiacZéro de conduiteCarry On At Your Convenience
― Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 September 2010 14:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
Five Easy Pieces, Taxi Driver, Rushmore, and Rear Window are all part of that revolving-door group of films that go onto and drop off my Top 10. (McCabe & Mrs. Miller also, to a certain extent, although there are three other Altmans ahead of it.) I'm very happy to see Zodiac on someone else's list, but I'd be very surprised if it gets a single vote in 2012.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
Sans soleilShowgirlsDo the Right ThingDressed to KillUn chant d'amourInland EmpireWomen in RevoltMake Way for TomorrowThe Rules of the GameSatantango
― Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
Obv, I want to see Rules of the Game ascend back into its place position, after showing in '02.
Night of the HunterTouch of EvilHarold and MaudeNosferatuPsychoThe Royal TenebaumsPattonDr. StrangeloveNatural Born KillersVideodrome
― Mr. John "Manalishi" Abbott (Viceroy), Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
finished tied for 4th in the voice's best of decade poll so i could imagine it getting a vote though yeah no way it's hitting the top ten. re: purposes of poll, along w/ of course the intense and unexplained rage and resentment i feel towards the british film institute apparently, i think these kind of polls can have a certain usefulness as a taking stock of criticial cw, tracking of cw over the years (bicycle thieves was #1 in the first poll and hasn't appeared in the top ten in decades), but most esp as establishing as a sort of guide to adolescents just picking up a love for film - 'seek out and familiarize yrself w/ these movies'. the first time i watched the rules of the game i know it was because of the sight and sound poll. caring a very great deal about the sight and sound poll, giving it a LOT of weight when you're 14 = understandable, maybe something to be encouraged. caring a very great deal about the sigh and sound poll, giving it a LOT of weight when you're an adult = being the filmnerd version of the type of person who freaks out for days that 'gold soundz' won the pfork poll, unbecoming. when you're an adult the individual ballots are where the fun is (there isn't a list here that's not gonna be more interesting than the actual top ten), when you're an adolescent the main poll is what matters.
― balls, Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
dur xpost
Absolutely, which is why, had I a ballot, I have to assume I'd be way more idiosyncratic and personal about my picks than strategic (i.e. putting Rules of the Game on my ballot and snubbing Citizen Kane, Vertigo and Potemkin in order to hopefully push the Renoir up in the rankings).
― Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
(meaning "absolutely, it's all about the individual lists for me now")
Absolutely, which is why, had I a ballot, I have to assume I'd be way more idiosyncratic and personal about my picks than strategic
Am I reading this wrong, or did you mean the opposite, that you'd be more strategic if you had a ballot? Even if I did have a ballot, I'd just vote for my favorites. The Godfathers would do quite well with or without me, and I don't know that there's anything else from my floating group of 25 where a single vote would make a difference. To impact the results, I'd literally have to start voting for stuff I like rather than love.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
Okay, now I see--the parentheses explain what you wouldn't do.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
"The Sigh and Sound poll"--nice Freudian slip about how little the Top 10 changes from decade to decade...
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
what i thought at some point in 2002
if i was voting for reals i'd probably do some dumb mix of love and strategy so let's say
the rules of the gamepierrot le fouthe big sleepbringing up babyvivre sa vieonly angels have wingsweekendred riverbreathlessmadonna: truth or dare
― balls, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
the red and the whitevertigosansho dayuthe magnificient ambersonsandrei rublevgod and the devil in the land of the suneurekadead manred desertthe shining
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
These lists are all really good imo.
― Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
could see vertigo getting #1 in 2012
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
One can fucking hope.
― Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
tokyo story will be higher too, i guess and hope.
― Zeno, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yup -- good job, guys.
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
WTIIT would be my pick, yeah.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 August 2012 00:51 (8 months ago) Permalink
i think goodbye did well because it's maybe his most austere - like isn't it something ridiculous like seventeen shots
as many chapters as the DVD's got -- eighteen or nineteen!
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 August 2012 00:53 (8 months ago) Permalink
lol directors trolling Morbz
― KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Friday, 24 August 2012 00:57 (8 months ago) Permalink
A friend sent me a pdf of the '52 poll; here's a link for anyone who wants to look at it. (I should be able to do the same with the '62/'72/'82 polls.)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 20:03 (8 months ago) Permalink
Watched Au Hasard Balthazar this weekend. Really great! My first Bresson.
― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 20:04 (8 months ago) Permalink
I watched it once, bought the Criterion edition thanks to a crazy sale, and haven't been able to rewatch it.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 20:12 (8 months ago) Permalink
63 ballots total, huh? (Really fascinating, though. Thanks!)
― Eric H., Tuesday, 28 August 2012 20:16 (8 months ago) Permalink
I love some of the names on there: Lindsay Anderson, Rudolf Arnheim, Alexandre Astruc (the "camera-stylo" guy), Bazin, Lotte Eisner, Penelope Houston, Siegfried Kracauer, Gavin Lambert, Henri Langois, Karel Reisz, Paul Rotha. Some of them account for some of the first scholarly books ever written on film.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 20:27 (8 months ago) Permalink
Here's a pdf for the '62 poll. A lot of repeat voters from '52, but a few new names: Arthur Knight, Dwight Macdonald, Jonas Mekas, Rivette, Rohmer, Richard Roud. I know Sarris voted, but I guess he wasn't a big enough name at that point to get his list published.
― clemenza, Thursday, 30 August 2012 13:50 (8 months ago) Permalink
Jeez, I didn't even realize L'avventura was 2 votes away from being #1 in '62.
― Eric H., Thursday, 30 August 2012 14:04 (8 months ago) Permalink
I watched the current 377th-place finisher Outer Space recently. HEADACHE
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 August 2012 14:07 (8 months ago) Permalink
Almost a three-way tie at the top. Only 70 voters, so over 30% of them voted for the #1; Vertigo was under 25% this year, but if you consider how many more films have been made in the interim, that's even more impressive, I'd say.
― clemenza, Thursday, 30 August 2012 14:13 (8 months ago) Permalink
xpost aren't you on some wicked painkillers right now?
― Eric H., Thursday, 30 August 2012 15:26 (8 months ago) Permalink
Would Jonas Mekas' selections (Potemkin, Chaplin, Flaherty) have been considered conservative in taste back then?
― Eric H., Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:43 (8 months ago) Permalink
I wish, do you have a connection? xp
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:44 (8 months ago) Permalink
Jean Douchet's list seems pretty much on the vanguard of new wave auteurism... Preminger, Hawks, Walsh, Ray, Cukor and I'm guessing the first S&S mention of Vertigo.
― Eric H., Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:54 (8 months ago) Permalink
I probably do, Morbs. But I'm not mailing that stuff.
I think Chaplin, Eisenstein, Flaherty were considered untouchably canonical by most in '62.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:58 (8 months ago) Permalink
I guess I'm mostly thrown because I would've thought Mekas would've been a canon-smasher rather than a canon-builder, but maybe the former wasn't even a thing yet.
― Eric H., Thursday, 30 August 2012 20:17 (8 months ago) Permalink
I'm just guessing, but maybe harkening back to early silents was somewhat insurrectionary at a time when, with scattered exceptions like Macdonald or Farber, most American film writing (sometimes not even bylined) was still devoted to Doris Day films in general-interest magazines and daily newspapers. I don't know, though.
― clemenza, Thursday, 30 August 2012 21:02 (8 months ago) Permalink
I imagine children circa 1930 in Lithuania loved Chaplin, too.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 August 2012 21:12 (8 months ago) Permalink
even Lithuanians have got soul
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 21:14 (8 months ago) Permalink
Nice catch on the Vertigo vote, Eric. I've never heard of Douchet, but he's still alive.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Douchet
I bet he's been walking around for the last month going, "Told you so--didn't I tell you so?"
― clemenza, Thursday, 30 August 2012 21:17 (8 months ago) Permalink
Looking over his resume, I feel a little silly for not recognizing the name--apparently I've seen him in a number of films.
― clemenza, Thursday, 30 August 2012 21:20 (8 months ago) Permalink
Here are the '72 (Bogdanovich, Jay Cocks, Richard Corliss, Judith Crist, Penelope Gilliatt, Stanley Kauffmann, Robin Wood) and '82 (Peter Biskind, Vincent Canby, David Denby, Molly Haskell, Hoberman, James Monaco, Rosenbaum, Richard Shickel, Susan Sontag, David Thomson) polls. Will try to get the '92 poll.
― clemenza, Friday, 31 August 2012 13:04 (8 months ago) Permalink
wow, kudos to paul schrader for putting 'lolita' on his list (in '72).
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 31 August 2012 18:47 (8 months ago) Permalink
The only thing that would make that Bogdanovich '72 quote more Bogdanovich is the word "Orson".
― Hut Stricklin at Lake Speed (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 31 August 2012 20:05 (8 months ago) Permalink
Lolita is imho a ridic choice as a top-10 film, even SK admitted he was hamstrung by making it a half-decade early.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Friday, 31 August 2012 23:44 (8 months ago) Permalink
it prob wouldn't make my own top 10 (maybe top 20, it is really good i think) but i'm always happy when ppl pick kubricks that aren't '2001' or 'strangelove.'
'paths of glory' is the kube i wish got more love on these lists.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 31 August 2012 23:51 (8 months ago) Permalink
Eyes Wide Shut is mine.
― Eric H., Saturday, 1 September 2012 00:02 (8 months ago) Permalink
I'm ok with both 2001 and Strangelove being the representative Kubricks, but Shining and Barry Lyndon will do just as well for me.
― this is the dream of avril and chad (jer.fairall), Saturday, 1 September 2012 01:50 (8 months ago) Permalink
Spartacus is mine.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 September 2012 03:28 (8 months ago) Permalink
Heaven's Gate (1980 Cimino)Chronik der Anna Magdalena Bach (1968 Straub/Huillet)Streets of Shame (1956 Mizoguchi)Choses secrètes (2002 Brisseau)Traviata '53 (1953 Cottafavi)Donovan's Reef (1963 Ford)Sunrise (1927 Murnau)Outrage (1950 Lupino)Gentleman Jim (1949 Walsh)
― moullet, Saturday, 1 September 2012 04:11 (8 months ago) Permalink
if only Spartacus had been a real Kubrick film
if only The Shining had not
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 1 September 2012 04:35 (8 months ago) Permalink
Black God, White Devil 1964 Glauber RochaChimes at Midnight 1966 Orson WellesMamma Roma 1962 Pier Paolo PasoliniNight of the Hunter, The 1955 Charles LaughtonOrdet 1955 Carl Theodor DreyerRussian Ark 2002 Aleksandr SokurovSacrifice, The 1986 Andrei TarkovskySteamboat Bill, Jr. 1928 Buster KeatonTurin Horse, The Béla TarrViridiana 1961 Luis Buñuel
http://explore.bfi.org.uk/sightandsoundpolls/2012/voter/1118
excellent list
one of portabella's own films is on rosenbaum's list
― Unlike humans, dogs don't talk shit (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 3 September 2012 18:20 (8 months ago) Permalink
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― jed_, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 17:59 (8 months ago) Permalink
Need NRQ back to start up the 2022 thread.
― Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 18:01 (8 months ago) Permalink
Saw "L'Atalante" and the rest of Vigo's stuff last week. It's very nice but didn't move much as much as, say, Sunrise, or Boudu. But I admired how much of it was seemingly shot on location. I guess ultimately that's what killed Vigo?
I think I preferred Zero de Conduite to "L'Atalante".
― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 18:01 (8 months ago) Permalink
nice list from ferrara, possible exception for russell idk
Cul-de-Sac 1966 Roman PolanskiDevils, The 1971 Ken RussellHawks and Sparrows 1966 Pier Paolo PasoliniPrison 1949 Ingmar BergmanLolita 1961 Stanley KubrickLos Olvidados 1950 Luis BuñuelRan 1985 Akira KurosawaTouch of Evil 1958 Orson WellesWoman Under the Influence, A 1974 John CassavetesZero de Conduite 1933 Jean Vigo
― A.R.R.Y. Kane (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 18:03 (8 months ago) Permalink
ZDC is vigo's best film
http://www.bfi.org.uk/news/reviewing-greatest-films-all-time
― Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 20:01 (8 months ago) Permalink
Bump mostly predicated on the fact that the S&S issue finally hit US newsstands. Apparently the downtown B&N here got 8 copies and, by the time I got there, only 2 were left.
― Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 20:53 (8 months ago) Permalink
Bought one a few days ago. As someone who doesn't buy magazines at all, $13 was eye-opening.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 21:32 (8 months ago) Permalink
$10 here. Think 2002 ed. was $8.
― Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 22:07 (8 months ago) Permalink
Finally, a way to slice the pie in Bunuel's favor:
― Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:27 (8 months ago) Permalink
Which Straub-Huillet should I watch first?
― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:32 (8 months ago) Permalink
Anna Magdalena Bach.
― moullet, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:50 (8 months ago) Permalink
discussion in which Dan Callahan takes up the "where is comedy and/or Hawks" cry.
http://www.bfi.org.uk/news/reviewing-greatest-films-all-time-part-two-back-future-poll
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 September 2012 21:03 (7 months ago) Permalink
welp done til '22 then
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 September 2012 17:47 (7 months ago) Permalink