Pretend you have a ballot for the 2012 edition of Sight & Sound's top 10 movies of all time list

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Even those among us who, you know, actually may get one.

Eric H., Saturday, 11 September 2010 18:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Like how conservative or how totally idiosyncratic would you let your list get?

Eric H., Saturday, 11 September 2010 18:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Godfather Parts II & III as one entry, just to fuck with them

Mosquepanik at Ground Zero (abanana), Saturday, 11 September 2010 20:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd probably exclude all three movies as one entry.

Eric H., Saturday, 11 September 2010 23:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

is there any particular criteria for the ballot?

a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Saturday, 11 September 2010 23:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Someone put a TV commercial on their ballot in '02, so I'd say not.

Eric H., Saturday, 11 September 2010 23:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

depressing as hell and sign o the times to think anyone here could vote in the sight and sound poll (is this how vertigo leapfrogged rules of the game???)

balls, Sunday, 12 September 2010 00:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

if i was voting i'm pretty sure my ballot would be very conservative (serving the poll's purpose - establishing film's canon - and usefulness - for 13-15 year olds who care about film criticism). it would give a somewhat misleading picture of my taste (if not my judgment) and i'd be amazed if two movies post-1970 made the list.

balls, Sunday, 12 September 2010 00:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

tokyo story
stalker
celine and julie go boating
the apu trilogy
ordet
8.5
dr. strangelove
persona
written in the wind
vertigo

a combination of movies i love, but arent necessary perfect and movies which i (and not only i of course) think are masterpieces and i might love them a little less - those couldve been 2 completely different lists!

Zeno, Sunday, 12 September 2010 01:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

air bud
air bud 2
michael jackson thriller video
david at the dentist
field of dreams
barely legal #15
citizen kane
bringing up baby
esteban buttez: the first ten posts
goonies

ice cr?m, Sunday, 12 September 2010 01:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

haahahaha

max skim (k3vin k.), Sunday, 12 September 2010 01:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

mmm.. on 2nd thought all of them are masterpieces i love, except from the Sirk one maybe.
here is an alternative list of favourites, who aren't the best:

stroszek
written on the wind
love streams
claire's knee
mullolland drive
bande a part
los olvidados
rio bravo
peeping tom
touch of evil (kane is better but i love this one more)

Zeno, Sunday, 12 September 2010 01:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

My pretend ballot:

1. Nashville (1975)
2. Rosemary's Baby (1968)
3. The Godfather I & II (1972/74)
4. Double Indemnity (1944)
5. Spellbound (2002)
6. Sweet Smell of Success (1957)
7. Goin' Down the Road (1970)
8. The Conversation (1974)
9. Boogie Nights (1997)
10. Zodiac (2007)

I’ve been circulating variations on this list for a long time. I tend to reshuffle the same 25 or so films, adding a couple of new ones every few years, and I often end up listing things past the point where I’m actually sick of them. So while I know the last two picks especially wouldn’t endear me to Ozu lovers, at least they’re sort of new.

8.5--I love the look of that. It’s like making reference to 84/7 Angry Men.

clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 03:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok slight digression - can anyone explain to me 12 angry men's continuing high placement on imdb's top 250. i can only figure that it's not prominent enough to draw challops or ppl determined to take it down a peg but widely seen enough to get votes (i'm picturing a huge segment of it's high ratings coming from high schoolers who had to watch it in class and were surprised they actually liked it) but this describes A LOT of movies and every other old movie there - casablanca, some hitchcocks, citizen kane, to kill a mockingbird, etc - is pretty much what you might guess would pop up if you polled a million or so people on the internet.

balls, Sunday, 12 September 2010 03:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Zeno, your more personal list is predictably much better and more interesting than the canon-hewing one.

Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 05:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Without thinking too long:

Playtime
Out 1
Showgirls
Nostalgia (Frampton)
39 Steps
Poto and Cabengo/Routine Pleasures/My Crasy Life
Le joli mai
Platform
Jeanne Dielman
Man With A Movie Camera

C0L1N B..., Sunday, 12 September 2010 06:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

first ten that came to my head:

cries and whispers
dead presidents
five easy pieces
interiors
jules et jim
all above eve
rope
taxi driver
birth
rosetta

one hood ass geometry teacher (The Brainwasher), Sunday, 12 September 2010 06:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sherlock Jr.
The Mirror
A Moment of Innocence
2001: A Space Odyssey
L'Atalante
Vertigo
Europa '51
Black Girl
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
Fires on the Plain

and about 200 others, rotating

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 September 2010 06:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's really an indefensible process. I mean, I left Rose Hobart and The King of Comedy off.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 September 2010 06:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Eraserhead
The Seventh Seal
2001: A Space Odyssey
City Lights
Seven Samurai
The Thin Red Line
Crash (Cronenberg)
Battleship Potemkin
The Godfather
The Brown Bunny

Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 12 September 2010 07:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

you guys ... you guys know you have to vote for kane, right

(serving the poll's purpose - establishing film's canon - and usefulness - for 13-15 year olds who care about film criticism)

is this based on anything specific, out of curiosity?

FORTIFIED STEAMED VEGETABLE BOWL (schlump), Sunday, 12 September 2010 08:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

blanche
playtime
the conversation
michael clayton
the thing
floating weeds
thin red line
le samourai
crank
l'atalante

cozen, Sunday, 12 September 2010 09:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

crank!

Davek (davek_00), Sunday, 12 September 2010 10:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

think it's based on what's-his-nuts's intense, unexplained rage/resentment issues?

The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Sunday, 12 September 2010 10:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

the point is simply that I don't see enough fun action films

Davek (davek_00), Sunday, 12 September 2010 10:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

so this thread is "pox: movies of ALL FUCKING TIME"? I'm not even going to take a stab at it.

when you've got a fist all ur problems look like faces (kenan), Sunday, 12 September 2010 12:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh wait, it's if you had a ballot. I see.

when you've got a fist all ur problems look like faces (kenan), Sunday, 12 September 2010 12:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Seventh Seal
Days of Heaven
Le Samourai
The Third Man
Kings and Queen
Once Upon a Time in the West
2001
Passion of Joan of Arc
Rushmore
Taxi Driver

a cankle of rads (Gukbe), Sunday, 12 September 2010 13:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

where's gamer?

gunpei yokoi's cunt hunt (cozen), Sunday, 12 September 2010 13:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mine:

The Rules of the Game
Early Summer
The Lady Eve
The Leopard
The Naked Gun 2 1/2
McCabe & Mrs Miller
Mulholland Drive
Rear Window
Only Angels Have Wings
My Own Private Idaho

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 September 2010 13:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hmmm I hate lists

M
Mishima
Simon del Desierto
1st verzh of Man Who Knew Too Much
1st 2 Godfathers
For a Few Dollars More
A Canterbury Tale
Zodiac
Zéro de conduite
Carry On At Your Convenience

Eejit Piaf (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 12 September 2010 14:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Five Easy Pieces, Taxi Driver, Rushmore, and Rear Window are all part of that revolving-door group of films that go onto and drop off my Top 10. (McCabe & Mrs. Miller also, to a certain extent, although there are three other Altmans ahead of it.) I'm very happy to see Zodiac on someone else's list, but I'd be very surprised if it gets a single vote in 2012.

clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sans soleil
Showgirls
Do the Right Thing
Dressed to Kill
Un chant d'amour
Inland Empire
Women in Revolt
Make Way for Tomorrow
The Rules of the Game
Satantango

Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Obv, I want to see Rules of the Game ascend back into its place position, after showing in '02.

Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Night of the Hunter
Touch of Evil
Harold and Maude
Nosferatu
Psycho
The Royal Tenebaums
Patton
Dr. Strangelove
Natural Born Killers
Videodrome

Mr. John "Manalishi" Abbott (Viceroy), Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

finished tied for 4th in the voice's best of decade poll so i could imagine it getting a vote though yeah no way it's hitting the top ten.
re: purposes of poll, along w/ of course the intense and unexplained rage and resentment i feel towards the british film institute apparently, i think these kind of polls can have a certain usefulness as a taking stock of criticial cw, tracking of cw over the years (bicycle thieves was #1 in the first poll and hasn't appeared in the top ten in decades), but most esp as establishing as a sort of guide to adolescents just picking up a love for film - 'seek out and familiarize yrself w/ these movies'. the first time i watched the rules of the game i know it was because of the sight and sound poll. caring a very great deal about the sight and sound poll, giving it a LOT of weight when you're 14 = understandable, maybe something to be encouraged. caring a very great deal about the sigh and sound poll, giving it a LOT of weight when you're an adult = being the filmnerd version of the type of person who freaks out for days that 'gold soundz' won the pfork poll, unbecoming. when you're an adult the individual ballots are where the fun is (there isn't a list here that's not gonna be more interesting than the actual top ten), when you're an adolescent the main poll is what matters.

balls, Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

dur xpost

balls, Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Absolutely, which is why, had I a ballot, I have to assume I'd be way more idiosyncratic and personal about my picks than strategic (i.e. putting Rules of the Game on my ballot and snubbing Citizen Kane, Vertigo and Potemkin in order to hopefully push the Renoir up in the rankings).

Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

(meaning "absolutely, it's all about the individual lists for me now")

Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

Absolutely, which is why, had I a ballot, I have to assume I'd be way more idiosyncratic and personal about my picks than strategic

Am I reading this wrong, or did you mean the opposite, that you'd be more strategic if you had a ballot? Even if I did have a ballot, I'd just vote for my favorites. The Godfathers would do quite well with or without me, and I don't know that there's anything else from my floating group of 25 where a single vote would make a difference. To impact the results, I'd literally have to start voting for stuff I like rather than love.

clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Okay, now I see--the parentheses explain what you wouldn't do.

clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

"The Sigh and Sound poll"--nice Freudian slip about how little the Top 10 changes from decade to decade...

clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

what i thought at some point in 2002

if i was voting for reals i'd probably do some dumb mix of love and strategy so let's say

the rules of the game
pierrot le fou
the big sleep
bringing up baby
vivre sa vie
only angels have wings
weekend
red river
breathless
madonna: truth or dare

balls, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

the red and the white
vertigo
sansho dayu
the magnificient ambersons
andrei rublev
god and the devil in the land of the sun
eureka
dead man
red desert
the shining

nakhchivan, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

These lists are all really good imo.

Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

could see vertigo getting #1 in 2012

nakhchivan, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

One can fucking hope.

Eric H., Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

tokyo story will be higher too, i guess and hope.

Zeno, Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

These lists are all really good imo.

Yup -- good job, guys.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 September 2010 18:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

WTIIT would be my pick, yeah.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 August 2012 00:51 (8 months ago) Permalink

i think goodbye did well because it's maybe his most austere - like isn't it something ridiculous like seventeen shots

as many chapters as the DVD's got -- eighteen or nineteen!

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 August 2012 00:53 (8 months ago) Permalink

A friend sent me a pdf of the '52 poll; here's a link for anyone who wants to look at it. (I should be able to do the same with the '62/'72/'82 polls.)

clemenza, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 20:03 (8 months ago) Permalink

Watched Au Hasard Balthazar this weekend. Really great! My first Bresson.

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 20:04 (8 months ago) Permalink

I watched it once, bought the Criterion edition thanks to a crazy sale, and haven't been able to rewatch it.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 20:12 (8 months ago) Permalink

63 ballots total, huh? (Really fascinating, though. Thanks!)

Eric H., Tuesday, 28 August 2012 20:16 (8 months ago) Permalink

I love some of the names on there: Lindsay Anderson, Rudolf Arnheim, Alexandre Astruc (the "camera-stylo" guy), Bazin, Lotte Eisner, Penelope Houston, Siegfried Kracauer, Gavin Lambert, Henri Langois, Karel Reisz, Paul Rotha. Some of them account for some of the first scholarly books ever written on film.

clemenza, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 20:27 (8 months ago) Permalink

Here's a pdf for the '62 poll. A lot of repeat voters from '52, but a few new names: Arthur Knight, Dwight Macdonald, Jonas Mekas, Rivette, Rohmer, Richard Roud. I know Sarris voted, but I guess he wasn't a big enough name at that point to get his list published.

clemenza, Thursday, 30 August 2012 13:50 (8 months ago) Permalink

Jeez, I didn't even realize L'avventura was 2 votes away from being #1 in '62.

Eric H., Thursday, 30 August 2012 14:04 (8 months ago) Permalink

I watched the current 377th-place finisher Outer Space recently. HEADACHE

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 August 2012 14:07 (8 months ago) Permalink

Almost a three-way tie at the top. Only 70 voters, so over 30% of them voted for the #1; Vertigo was under 25% this year, but if you consider how many more films have been made in the interim, that's even more impressive, I'd say.

clemenza, Thursday, 30 August 2012 14:13 (8 months ago) Permalink

xpost aren't you on some wicked painkillers right now?

Eric H., Thursday, 30 August 2012 15:26 (8 months ago) Permalink

Would Jonas Mekas' selections (Potemkin, Chaplin, Flaherty) have been considered conservative in taste back then?

Eric H., Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:43 (8 months ago) Permalink

I wish, do you have a connection? xp

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:44 (8 months ago) Permalink

Jean Douchet's list seems pretty much on the vanguard of new wave auteurism... Preminger, Hawks, Walsh, Ray, Cukor and I'm guessing the first S&S mention of Vertigo.

Eric H., Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:54 (8 months ago) Permalink

I probably do, Morbs. But I'm not mailing that stuff.

Eric H., Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:54 (8 months ago) Permalink

I think Chaplin, Eisenstein, Flaherty were considered untouchably canonical by most in '62.

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 August 2012 19:58 (8 months ago) Permalink

I guess I'm mostly thrown because I would've thought Mekas would've been a canon-smasher rather than a canon-builder, but maybe the former wasn't even a thing yet.

Eric H., Thursday, 30 August 2012 20:17 (8 months ago) Permalink

I'm just guessing, but maybe harkening back to early silents was somewhat insurrectionary at a time when, with scattered exceptions like Macdonald or Farber, most American film writing (sometimes not even bylined) was still devoted to Doris Day films in general-interest magazines and daily newspapers. I don't know, though.

clemenza, Thursday, 30 August 2012 21:02 (8 months ago) Permalink

I imagine children circa 1930 in Lithuania loved Chaplin, too.

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 August 2012 21:12 (8 months ago) Permalink

even Lithuanians have got soul

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 August 2012 21:14 (8 months ago) Permalink

Nice catch on the Vertigo vote, Eric. I've never heard of Douchet, but he's still alive.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Douchet

I bet he's been walking around for the last month going, "Told you so--didn't I tell you so?"

clemenza, Thursday, 30 August 2012 21:17 (8 months ago) Permalink

Looking over his resume, I feel a little silly for not recognizing the name--apparently I've seen him in a number of films.

clemenza, Thursday, 30 August 2012 21:20 (8 months ago) Permalink

Here are the '72 (Bogdanovich, Jay Cocks, Richard Corliss, Judith Crist, Penelope Gilliatt, Stanley Kauffmann, Robin Wood) and '82 (Peter Biskind, Vincent Canby, David Denby, Molly Haskell, Hoberman, James Monaco, Rosenbaum, Richard Shickel, Susan Sontag, David Thomson) polls. Will try to get the '92 poll.

clemenza, Friday, 31 August 2012 13:04 (8 months ago) Permalink

wow, kudos to paul schrader for putting 'lolita' on his list (in '72).

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 31 August 2012 18:47 (8 months ago) Permalink

The only thing that would make that Bogdanovich '72 quote more Bogdanovich is the word "Orson".

Hut Stricklin at Lake Speed (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 31 August 2012 20:05 (8 months ago) Permalink

Lolita is imho a ridic choice as a top-10 film, even SK admitted he was hamstrung by making it a half-decade early.

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Friday, 31 August 2012 23:44 (8 months ago) Permalink

it prob wouldn't make my own top 10 (maybe top 20, it is really good i think) but i'm always happy when ppl pick kubricks that aren't '2001' or 'strangelove.'

'paths of glory' is the kube i wish got more love on these lists.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 31 August 2012 23:51 (8 months ago) Permalink

Eyes Wide Shut is mine.

Eric H., Saturday, 1 September 2012 00:02 (8 months ago) Permalink

I'm ok with both 2001 and Strangelove being the representative Kubricks, but Shining and Barry Lyndon will do just as well for me.

this is the dream of avril and chad (jer.fairall), Saturday, 1 September 2012 01:50 (8 months ago) Permalink

Spartacus is mine.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 September 2012 03:28 (8 months ago) Permalink

Heaven's Gate (1980 Cimino)
Chronik der Anna Magdalena Bach (1968 Straub/Huillet)
Streets of Shame (1956 Mizoguchi)
Choses secrètes (2002 Brisseau)
Traviata '53 (1953 Cottafavi)
Donovan's Reef (1963 Ford)
Sunrise (1927 Murnau)
Outrage (1950 Lupino)
Gentleman Jim (1949 Walsh)

moullet, Saturday, 1 September 2012 04:11 (8 months ago) Permalink

if only Spartacus had been a real Kubrick film

if only The Shining had not

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 1 September 2012 04:35 (8 months ago) Permalink

Black God, White Devil 1964 Glauber Rocha
Chimes at Midnight 1966 Orson Welles
Mamma Roma 1962 Pier Paolo Pasolini
Night of the Hunter, The 1955 Charles Laughton
Ordet 1955 Carl Theodor Dreyer
Russian Ark 2002 Aleksandr Sokurov
Sacrifice, The 1986 Andrei Tarkovsky
Steamboat Bill, Jr. 1928 Buster Keaton
Turin Horse, The Béla Tarr
Viridiana 1961 Luis Buñuel

http://explore.bfi.org.uk/sightandsoundpolls/2012/voter/1118

excellent list

one of portabella's own films is on rosenbaum's list

Unlike humans, dogs don't talk shit (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Monday, 3 September 2012 18:20 (8 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

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Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 17:57 (8 months ago) Permalink

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jed_, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 17:59 (8 months ago) Permalink

Need NRQ back to start up the 2022 thread.

Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 18:01 (8 months ago) Permalink

Saw "L'Atalante" and the rest of Vigo's stuff last week. It's very nice but didn't move much as much as, say, Sunrise, or Boudu. But I admired how much of it was seemingly shot on location. I guess ultimately that's what killed Vigo?

I think I preferred Zero de Conduite to "L'Atalante".

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 18:01 (8 months ago) Permalink

nice list from ferrara, possible exception for russell idk

Cul-de-Sac 1966 Roman Polanski
Devils, The 1971 Ken Russell
Hawks and Sparrows 1966 Pier Paolo Pasolini
Prison 1949 Ingmar Bergman
Lolita 1961 Stanley Kubrick
Los Olvidados 1950 Luis Buñuel
Ran 1985 Akira Kurosawa
Touch of Evil 1958 Orson Welles
Woman Under the Influence, A 1974 John Cassavetes
Zero de Conduite 1933 Jean Vigo

A.R.R.Y. Kane (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 18:03 (8 months ago) Permalink

ZDC is vigo's best film

A.R.R.Y. Kane (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 18:03 (8 months ago) Permalink

Bump mostly predicated on the fact that the S&S issue finally hit US newsstands. Apparently the downtown B&N here got 8 copies and, by the time I got there, only 2 were left.

Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 20:53 (8 months ago) Permalink

Bought one a few days ago. As someone who doesn't buy magazines at all, $13 was eye-opening.

clemenza, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 21:32 (8 months ago) Permalink

$10 here. Think 2002 ed. was $8.

Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 22:07 (8 months ago) Permalink

Finally, a way to slice the pie in Bunuel's favor:

Ham Lushbaugh (Eric H.), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:27 (8 months ago) Permalink

Which Straub-Huillet should I watch first?

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:32 (8 months ago) Permalink

Anna Magdalena Bach.

moullet, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 17:50 (8 months ago) Permalink

discussion in which Dan Callahan takes up the "where is comedy and/or Hawks" cry.

http://www.bfi.org.uk/news/reviewing-greatest-films-all-time-part-two-back-future-poll

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 September 2012 21:03 (7 months ago) Permalink

welp done til '22 then

kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 September 2012 17:47 (7 months ago) Permalink


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