the bbc sherlock series by the dr who 'bloke' and starring tim from the office

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watson was in AFGHANISTAN

max, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:47 (six years ago) Permalink

as he was in the conan doyle stories

Ward Fowler, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:48 (six years ago) Permalink

though i guess watson was in AFGHANISTAN in the stories too eh

xp

max, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:48 (six years ago) Permalink

"Cumberbatch's Sherlock uses modern technology, such as texting and internet blogging, to solve the crimes"

max, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:48 (six years ago) Permalink

some talk on the bbc iplayer thred:


SHERLOCK

starring martin freeman and bernard cumberbatch

first episode has been and gone and was surprisingly... actually alright

― the tape store called... (cozen), Monday, 26 July 2010 08:20 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Holmes texting and using 'tinternet seemed really natural. Also LOL at "three patch problem". Running around central Loldon with a map overlaid on the screen = DUD though. Wish it were slightly less nu-Who like, but it's a Mark Gatiss thing so inevitable.

― ninjas and lasers and gold and (snoball), Monday, 26 July 2010 09:05 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Gatiss totally played the brother as Panto Mandelson.

― the phantom flâneur flinger (suzy), Monday, 26 July 2010 09:55 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Wish it were slightly less nu-Who like, but it's a Mark Gatiss thing so inevitable.

You don't blame this on Moffatt at all? I really liked it.

― ailsa, Monday, 26 July 2010 16:40 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

read that as new-wu and got confused and excited.

― a hoy hoy, Monday, 26 July 2010 17:42 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

xp I got confused. It's a freaky Moffatt/Gatiss joint all the way...

― ninjas and lasers and gold and (snoball), Monday, 26 July 2010 17:50 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

This was good. Very good. Although Martin Freeman's basically playing Martin Freeman.

Intriguingly their 221b baker street set has a near identical layout to the one in the Granada/Jeremy Brett version.

― no, you're dead right, it's a macaroon (ledge), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 11:35 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah, it's hard to imagine anyone looking at the pasty, pudgy Freeman and thinking 'hm, there's a military man, not long back from under the Afghan sun'. This was okay though. Cumberbatch great, Gatiss grates.

― Born too beguiled (DavidM), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 11:39 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah Cumberbatch was terrific and this series has fantastic potential.

Didn't think a modern Sherlock would work but they somehow pulled it off, the GPS and laptops aspect didn't feel shoehorned in but where they nailed it was getting the atmosphere. The way it was filmed really helped give a claustrophobic and menacing Victorian feel to modern London, lots of dark back alleys and very little of the visual clutter you associate with this city. They should keep the series out of gleaming office buildings and keep it in the realm of dark streets and snug old pubs IMO.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 11:44 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Liked this a lot, and I'm a bit of a Holmes traditionalist. Only bit that felt a bit LOLmodern shoehorned was the continued references to them being in the gayXorz. Or is that an in-joke about 'Sherlock', the game for the Spectrum and C64?

― Hey Jabulani! Pope of four four two. (aldo), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 12:42 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I thought martin freeman was really good; surprisingly so, in fact, but granted I've not seen in him in anything stand-out since the office

― cozen, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 12:45 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

The way it was filmed really helped give a claustrophobic and menacing Victorian feel to modern London

also the way my PS3 auto screen dimming kicked in after about 30 mins and i didn't notice for another 30 :/

― no, you're dead right, it's a macaroon (ledge), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 12:47 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Only just caught up with last week's, good stuff. I like the fact they included a puzzle without an explanation right at the end (Sherlock's comment re how to tell a good restaurant, with the answer presumably being lol Chinese people are short)

― if, Sunday, 1 August 2010 19:45 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Am quite enjoying Sherlock, I have to say. Thought the last episode was a bit laborious, but among other things I like a lot - the configuring of London topography in a way that reminds me strongly of Machen, Stevenson (funny sort of London but still a version of it), and Conan Doyle (museums, small out-of-the-way shops, abandoned houses, dark side-streets); all the emphasis on hidden information - again a sort of reconfiguration of the London environment, whether it's mobile communication or graffiti; the way it patterns Victorian sensational fiction themes (such as the sax rohmer yellow peril stuff of the last one) on to the 21st century; + all the comic book stuff (a touch of the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen about it, again perhaps not surprisingly) and, you know, a proper fight! behind the curtain of a stage! Great!

That last one was extremely indebted (presumably deliberately) to The Talons of Weng-Chiang, not at all a bad thing imo.

I don't watch a lot of tv so maybe there's a few programmes doing interesting stuff like this, but yeah, good stuff.

― Hide the prickforks (GamalielRatsey), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 12:34 (6 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

thought sherlock was p.dece on the whole

― cozen, Monday, 9 August 2010 08:54 (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i never made the sherlock holmes / dr who connection before but so many things about holmes and watson are so VERY who, aren't they

i thought the first episode was tremendous - i love the text overlays on the screen

― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 August 2010 11:11 (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ledge, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:49 (six years ago) Permalink

lot of grousing on ~forums~ earlier about moriarty and his accent but I thought he was ace

cozen, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:50 (six years ago) Permalink

moriarty was p. great last night. Also really like the floating-text-message device. and the coat.
xp otm

stet, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:50 (six years ago) Permalink

moriarty was great i thought! sad that it's already over tho? didnt realise there were only going to be 3 eps

just sayin, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:54 (six years ago) Permalink

has xmas special written all over it

cozen, Monday, 9 August 2010 15:54 (six years ago) Permalink

Haven't seen the third one yet but the first two were pretty good fun, I hope they spin a few more out of them.

Matt DC, Monday, 9 August 2010 16:15 (six years ago) Permalink

woah wait, what, that's it? ffs.

stet, Monday, 9 August 2010 16:17 (six years ago) Permalink

3 eps too many imho

former moderator, please give generously (DG), Monday, 9 August 2010 16:21 (six years ago) Permalink

well each one is the length of a movie. it's basically 3 dr whos, or 6 half hours of american television (approx 20 mins each)

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 August 2010 16:24 (six years ago) Permalink

er i mean 6 dr whos, and 13 half hours of american television

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 August 2010 16:30 (six years ago) Permalink

is this seeable w/o cable

pies. (gbx), Monday, 9 August 2010 16:33 (six years ago) Permalink

do u know about "the internet"

max, Monday, 9 August 2010 16:36 (six years ago) Permalink

no :(

pies. (gbx), Monday, 9 August 2010 16:37 (six years ago) Permalink

I saw the first episode & all those words floating around reminded me of "Ghost Writer."

spanikopitcon (Abbott), Monday, 9 August 2010 16:42 (six years ago) Permalink

benedict cumberbatch Vs. sheldon turnipseed

conrad, Monday, 9 August 2010 17:17 (six years ago) Permalink

Totally watchable. Was disappointed with Moriarty, the end of last night's episode was a little soppy. Still good though, Cumberbatch was great in the role.

mmmm, Monday, 9 August 2010 17:57 (six years ago) Permalink

I watched this last night, I was pleasantly surprised - "reboot" of an old favourite character is usually shorthand for dreadful garbage, but this was good. It was schlocky, but kind of felt like grownup schlock, not adolescent bollocks. Cumberbatch was great.

Take my hand, we'll make it I swear (Pashmina), Monday, 9 August 2010 18:10 (six years ago) Permalink

low expectations for this, found it to be surprisingly enjoyable, although there's plenty of stuff to nitpick about. ep 2 was the weakest, I think, trying to update the 19th century version of the "exotic orient" just came off a bit too silly. and ending the last ep on a cliffhanger, with no word on when the next one will be-- irritating. but everyone above on the greatness of Cumberbatch is otm.

her breath came in short pants (sciolism), Monday, 9 August 2010 20:51 (six years ago) Permalink

How come there's only three episodes? That seems crazy.

Benedict Cumberbatch is the name of some Hogwarts reject, I still refuse to believe that that is a real name.

ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 9 August 2010 20:57 (six years ago) Permalink

conrad, Monday, 9 August 2010 21:01 (six years ago) Permalink

That might be even worse! Although it is pretty close.

ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 9 August 2010 21:02 (six years ago) Permalink

Three 1 1/2 hour films is pretty good going - wouldn't have been surprised if they'd just got to make one single episode to start with, tbh (though I think they did an hour-long unscreened pilot which became the first episode). Presume Moffatt and Gatiss a bit busy with Doctor Who stuff as well.

Also, everyone saying Ben Cucumberpatch is awesome is incredibly OTM. I've seen him in other stuff and not been wowed, but he fits this really well.

ailsa, Monday, 9 August 2010 21:06 (six years ago) Permalink

Speaking of weird and colonial, three guesses why Cumberbatch is a relatively common name amongst African-Americans. Benedict Cumberbatch is really excellent.

Won't someone respond to my point that Mark Gatiss' Mycroft is like watching Peter Mandelson in panto?

duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Monday, 9 August 2010 21:11 (six years ago) Permalink

three guesses why Cumberbatch is a relatively common name amongst African-Americans

This reminds me of thinking that maybe ska pioneer Theophilus Beckford was related to mento singer Stanley Beckford or U-Roy aka Ewart Beckford, until it was pointed out that there was another reason why a lot of Jamaicans are called Beckford. Which was a slight bummer to my joyful contemplation of reggae history.

Think it's about time I watched this Sherlock, too.

rah rah rah wd smash the oiks (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 9 August 2010 21:26 (six years ago) Permalink

Didn't Gatiss say he'd based him on Mandelson?

ailsa, Monday, 9 August 2010 21:37 (six years ago) Permalink

I have no idea, but it is super-funny. I want to see him sitting on a big throne with a bound volume of fairy tales.

Benedict Cumberbatch has brought his family history up in interviews to basically say o_0. A few years ago I was at a book launch and was introduced to a frightfully posh young man whose surname was Womack. I hadn't realized this was an English name AT ALL until that point, and then the guy told me the singers' surname was no accident because theirs had been a slaving family.

duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Monday, 9 August 2010 21:47 (six years ago) Permalink

Just watched the third one, this kind of nonsense is 100% up my street. Not much that I didn't enjoy, there. A few months ago we re-watched all the Jonathan Creeks and this filled the void that left quite nicely. Although J-Creek wouldn't have had any woooo mysteeeerious stuff (left mysterious).

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I totally called Moriarty as a bad guy the first time he appeared, then forgot.
WHY would someone faking a painting make half of it something so weird and "obviously" fake? This really confused me. Was the mistake put in there deliberately by Moriarty? But how?
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Not the real Village People, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 05:39 (six years ago) Permalink

Btw in the opening shot, my husband was convinced that Sherlock was actually Alan Rickman. He looks and sounds identical there!

Not the real Village People, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 06:19 (six years ago) Permalink

Only grouse so far (apart from the fact that ep.2 wasn't as good as the other 2) is I hope they don't just go for lots of murders. One of the things I enjoyed about the originals is the stories about non-lethal puzzles and oddities.

According to Zoe Ball (who, I'm sure, must know) Cumberbatch went up for Dr. Who and Matt Smith went up for Dr. Watson. Someone in casting seems to be doing the right thing anyway.

i find music confusing and annoying (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:09 (six years ago) Permalink

They're already setting up Holmes marathons in the USA
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5iVaDQ26TVnBtf3h0iisgyybUFRTQ

i find music confusing and annoying (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:10 (six years ago) Permalink

Matt Smith read for Watson and was judged too manic, but when BC was approached to try for Doctor Who, he didn't want to do it because of the merchandising nightmare. This information is available to anyone who reads a newspaper.

duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:28 (six years ago) Permalink

cumberbatch would have made an impeccable doctor imo

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:30 (six years ago) Permalink

This was a lot of fun to watch, and I hope they make more... Cumberbatch borrows a couple of mannerisms from Brett (quick lift off the chair while sitting in it indian-style, and the quick flash of rictus type of smile) but takes a totally different, and appealing, tack with the character. I also loved the mindfuck where they show the overhead shot of him at his desk, looking like he's just shot up. As intended, it made me think "here we go again, lazy scriptwriters making Holmes use cocaine DURING a case, which he never ever does" and then it turns out to be nicotine patches! Hilarious. They got me.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:41 (six years ago) Permalink

I had no idea his mum is Wanda Ventham. Blimey.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:46 (six years ago) Permalink

BC even turned up as a guest in a friend's wedding photos last week (she's from a luvvie family too). Truly this man gets everywhere.

duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:50 (six years ago) Permalink

Fast forward to 7:14 for nice comic moment and Michael Winner looking like an ass.

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 09:51 (six years ago) Permalink

cumberbatch would have made an impeccable doctor imo

He would have ruined the show for me thanks to his "You have to bite it!" scene in Atonement. In Sherlock it's not as bad because I can't see him raping Martin Freeman.

ô_o (Nicole), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:08 (six years ago) Permalink

I'm sure ILX's slashfic aficionados know where to find exactly what you describe.

duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:15 (six years ago) Permalink

I had no idea his mum is Wanda Ventham. Blimey.

Blimey indeed, I just happnened to see her in The Saint before I left the house, what a babe!

Dr. Who is a bit like Sherlock Holmes in many way.

tom d: he did what he had to do now he is dead (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:15 (six years ago) Permalink

Blimey indeed, I just happnened to see her in The Saint before I left the house, what a babe!

would objectify

unchill english bro (history mayne), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:18 (six years ago) Permalink

Really ejoyed this. Even Martin Freeman was suprisingly decent, but Cumberbatch was amazing in the Sherlock role. Was talking to a friend about Cumberbatch in Doctor Who and we both came to the conclusion he would make a great Master to play off Matt Smith if Steven Moffat ever goes down that route.

Mr.Prologue, Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:35 (six years ago) Permalink

would objectify

― unchill english bro (history mayne), 35 minutes ago

^^^^^^^^Genuine laugh out loud at this popping up in blog view. Would seriously love if this caught on as a meme.

Kinda follow Penny Red's views on "oh lawd enough with the Holmes already" but, erm, I <3 Cumberbatch for his Momusian turn in To The Ends Of The Earth. I'm avoiding reading any of the slash (it's already turning up in my LJ stream) until I've seen the thing. Which at my rate of tellyviewing is, erm, never.

That is all.

all your life is channel 13, Sesame Street, what does it mean? (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:57 (six years ago) Permalink

I'm avoiding reading any of the slash (it's already turning up in my LJ stream)

always read this as LJ you-know-who

"It's far from 'loi' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 11:58 (six years ago) Permalink

Loving it so far - Cumberbatch great, Freeman really good as well (nicely balanced between easy-to-follow everyman & the more actorly damaged army doctor, which is a nice reading of Watson), there's wit & nous in the modernising, cute nods for the fans around the place (Mycroft losing weight, Rache, plenty more I'm missing), really likes London. Perfect Sunday viewing.

And seconded on the drug-haze misdirect - so glad that it didn't just blunder into the world of EDGY Holmes cliché.

tetrahedron of space (woof), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 12:12 (six years ago) Permalink

Another vote for 'would objectify'. LULZ

duchy of Pornwall (suzy), Tuesday, 10 August 2010 14:45 (six years ago) Permalink

Brett was fantastic (which made the last episodes of his series quite sad, once he was very sick).
That said, I don't have any (major) issues with this holmes (and watson).
it's just that the stories and mysteries are very badly written/adapted, most of the times.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 5 January 2017 11:52 (one week ago) Permalink

thats not.... major?

loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 January 2017 12:02 (one week ago) Permalink

oh I meant no major issues with the current actors.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 5 January 2017 12:03 (one week ago) Permalink

Not even with Martin Freeman's hair?

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 January 2017 12:27 (one week ago) Permalink

eheh. yup !
that said, it feels like he doesn't really care anymore. just phoning it in (especially the Mary's death scene).

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 5 January 2017 12:35 (one week ago) Permalink

This is like a David Bowie video.

Mark G, Sunday, 8 January 2017 21:32 (one week ago) Permalink

it's 2017, it's not hard to understand that overblown emo/nerd shit draws in the viewers

https://twitter.com/search?f=users&vertical=default&q=cumberbatch&src=tyah

groovypanda, Sunday, 8 January 2017 22:18 (one week ago) Permalink

Did anyone think this episode (with Toby Jones) an improvement?

I didn't - thought TJ's villain and surrounding plot ridiculous - but many apparently did.

the pinefox, Monday, 9 January 2017 13:15 (one week ago) Permalink

It was a lot better than last week's, but the whole thing is just too far off the rails now to be called good. It's not Sherlock Holmes anymore, it's a comic book superhero knockoff. Like a shitty Avengers.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 9 January 2017 14:32 (one week ago) Permalink

way too much time tied up in character baggage

I got the impression Toby Jones was supposed to be a sort of "what if Jimmy Saville killed adults for fun instead of sexually assaulting children" with the whole keys to the hospital thing

mh 😏, Monday, 9 January 2017 15:16 (one week ago) Permalink

Yes -- but he seemed also a deliberate, sometimes heavy-handed comment on Trump, presumably filmed a long time before Trump's election.

The scene early on where he got all his associates to take a memory-loss drug -- I mean, this was ludicrous, and went on and on and on while they sat around waiting for him to do his evil things to them.

Then he spent much of the rest of the episode issuing manic evil laughter.

I thought: someone this obviously horrible couldn't be so successful, but that view doesn't really work as lots of horrible people (Trump, Johnson et al) are indeed successful.

the pinefox, Monday, 9 January 2017 15:22 (one week ago) Permalink

This episode was ridiculous and trashy, but it did manage to hit several of the notes that made the first season fun, and therefore was better than the previous episode. Every series runs out of worthwhile at some point. Even Conan Doyle knew he'd run out of ideas and tried like hell to extricate himself from the purgatory of fan service.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 9 January 2017 19:05 (one week ago) Permalink

agreed with the previous comments.
It's MUCH better than the first episode (but it couldn't really be worse !).
still, the bad guy and the story were not very well written/obvious (indeed the opening scene where he repeated 10 times they wouldn't remember anything was ludicrous) and the personal/over the top emo stuffs are annoying but the whole thing had more punch and rhythm.
and the final twist was unexpected !
so overall, not bad. and even funny at moments.

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 10:12 (one week ago) Permalink

Bad Moffat >>>>>>>> Good Gatiss.

Although I usually find the online enmity towards Moffat and his portrayal of women overwrought, Mary's focus on saving the two men in her life was incredibly glaring and uncomfortable.

But otherwise, agreed that this was trashy fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmy8x2Lm7rE (Leee), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 16:38 (one week ago) Permalink

Worst episode ever?

the pinefox, Sunday, 15 January 2017 22:50 (two days ago) Permalink

Career suicide bad

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 16 January 2017 00:15 (yesterday) Permalink

Is this like when Alan Alda directed that one episode of M*A*S*H?

Moog and Stan (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2017 00:50 (yesterday) Permalink

Ooft, that was horrible. Surely that's them done with it now?

ailsa, Monday, 16 January 2017 00:52 (yesterday) Permalink

just started

uh is the sister a memetic virus who wrote herself on to Sherlock years ago

mh 😏, Monday, 16 January 2017 00:55 (yesterday) Permalink

I think maybe she is an avatar of Star Trek NG's holodeck nemesis The Q.

Moog and Stan (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2017 00:57 (yesterday) Permalink

well I called that one a few minutes before they did

mh 😏, Monday, 16 January 2017 00:57 (yesterday) Permalink

i called it from episode 0

trilby mouth (darraghmac), Monday, 16 January 2017 01:02 (yesterday) Permalink

Or maybe this is all really taking place inside the 'mind' of the lunar prison computer MYCROFT from The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress

Moog and Stan (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2017 01:04 (yesterday) Permalink

darragh would have fared well in my family's "i wrote this" joke where we'd guess where the plot was going on a tv show or movie and then after viewing say "see, i wrote it"

mh 😏, Monday, 16 January 2017 01:18 (yesterday) Permalink

high praise

trilby mouth (darraghmac), Monday, 16 January 2017 01:24 (yesterday) Permalink

Is somebody going to sing "Dry Bones" at the end of this?

Moog and Stan (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 January 2017 01:38 (yesterday) Permalink

did they consider writing some episodes in this series where they just solve some cases

mh 😏, Monday, 16 January 2017 02:14 (yesterday) Permalink

coming up with extremely clever deductive solutions to rather spectacular, but marginally believable, criminal cases is above the talents of the two writers. now that they've sprinted past the end of the Doyle corpus and must generate their own material, they've decided to take a different direction that better suits their abilities.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 16 January 2017 04:54 (yesterday) Permalink

that's cool but could they hire someone who can write some mysteries

mh 😏, Monday, 16 January 2017 05:06 (yesterday) Permalink

I think I'm going to see that new Underworld movie. I hear the actress who played Irene Adler is in it and this season could have used her presence

mh 😏, Monday, 16 January 2017 05:08 (yesterday) Permalink

It was entertaining enough for what it was (AU fan fic) with brain disengaged until the last ten minutes but no show meant to be detail-oriented can afford to be this sloppy with plot holes.

Like 'aha! the recoil would have meant the killer couldn't have been wearing glasses!' but nobody checks the first place you would look for Redbeard for thirty five years.

Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Monday, 16 January 2017 06:31 (yesterday) Permalink

(AU fan fic)

kill with fire

trilby mouth (darraghmac), Monday, 16 January 2017 07:39 (yesterday) Permalink

I think this was really bad, the worst episode I have seen.

I have some kind of attraction to this programme despite all - the high production values, the sense of intelligence even if manifested in meta- / ironic stuff; what may have seemed the subtlety of the relation between C19 original and C21 version; and detection which, like others, I like.

But this one pretty much trampled over all that - I can't think of one thing that was good about it. It became some kind of different programme. Bad way to go out. Christ, even the closing last monologue on Mary's dvd -- how she slowed down so she was reading a trailer voiceover than actually talking to people she knew -- preposterous.

the pinefox, Monday, 16 January 2017 10:10 (yesterday) Permalink

wat if maigret but in space

Houston John (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 16 January 2017 10:46 (yesterday) Permalink

Good thing there was plenty more screentime for Mycroft, though. He's the best one!

trishyb, Monday, 16 January 2017 11:04 (yesterday) Permalink

I get the feeling when the Russians allegedly leaked ep 3 onto the torrents a couple of days ago that there wasn't even a significant demand for it. Also the headline about the BBC enquiry into the leak, lol! Russia be bricking it.

calzino, Monday, 16 January 2017 11:26 (yesterday) Permalink

Euros was a cross between Hannibal Lecter, Jigsaw, and a j-horror ghost girl. Ridiculous.

It had actual detection scenes in it so it was better than the Six Thatchers, but not by much.

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Monday, 16 January 2017 18:55 (yesterday) Permalink

but someone gets a throwaway line about how Thatcher is like Napoleon, which she isn't

Yes, that irritated me from the start.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 16 January 2017 19:10 (yesterday) Permalink

tbf, Maggie was the PM during the Falkland Islands War, which was the 45th most important war of the 20th century.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 16 January 2017 19:21 (yesterday) Permalink

Quietus nailed it, I could barely make it through the last ep. The reference in the article to the taxi driver scene from S1 was a cruel reminder of how good the show used to be. Everyone's contracted for S5, so unfortunately we have further to fall

Brakhage, Monday, 16 January 2017 20:28 (yesterday) Permalink

Yeah, the taxi driver scene is a good comparison, because it was a very intense but quite bit of drama, where two people matched their wits, and Sherlock tried to deduce whether the taxi driver could really predict which pill he would choose... But it was still a human scene, you could still put yourself in that situation and see how you could've made the same conclusion as Sherlock. But in this season Sherlock can predict two weeks into the future, the bad guy can predict years into the future, she can be sure that none of the three protagonists die in that grenade explosion (which wasn't even really necessary, cos all she wanted was them to come to Sherrinford), because her mind games wouldn't work if all three weren't there, plus she appears to have telepathic powers comparable to Charles Xavier. It's ridiculous.

So the characters in this series have become wizards, there's nothing human left in them anymore. Moffat and Gatiss seemed to think that the threats the protagonists face have to escalate every seriers, so Holmes and Watson have to fight mass killers in every episode now, not solve any "ordinary" mysteries... Even though the original stories always balanced between more mundane and gruesome crimes, giving them a nice balance. That balance seems to be lost here, it's all on hyperdrive and it's all so dull now.

Tuomas, Monday, 16 January 2017 20:51 (yesterday) Permalink

"a very intense but quiet bit of drama"

Tuomas, Monday, 16 January 2017 20:52 (yesterday) Permalink

Today, sherlock fans, we have to be soldiers, and that means to hell with what happens to us.

The quietus: To be completely fair, about half of this episode is like a quite good episode of a different show.

Guess I missed that half.

brekekekexit collapse collapse (ledge), Monday, 16 January 2017 21:16 (yesterday) Permalink

Well actually I did miss the second half, since the first one was so bad I decided washing up would be a more enjoyable way of spending my time.

brekekekexit collapse collapse (ledge), Monday, 16 January 2017 21:39 (yesterday) Permalink

the second half devolved pretty completely into incoherence

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 16 January 2017 21:42 (yesterday) Permalink

the fact that this stuff is on at a prime slot on a sunday and promoted as well as it was reminds me of how Sapphire and Steel used to be on twice a week on primetime itv.

koogs, Monday, 16 January 2017 22:53 (yesterday) Permalink

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Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 03:59 (nine hours ago) Permalink

trying to imagine a whole country watching Sapphire and Steel at the same time, it's like an episode of Sapphire and Steel

erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 06:59 (six hours ago) Permalink

(11.8M viewers for S&S apparently. But there were only 3 channels at the time and no remote controls)

koogs, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 07:13 (five hours ago) Permalink


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