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Just read a great article about race + marijuana arrests in New York by Mark Jacobson: http://nymag.com/news/features/58995/

I don't think there's another thread like this -- a place to discuss the current movements to legalize marijuana (medicinally or otherwise) throughout the United States (and anywhere else that interests people), and any other legal/political/racial issues involved.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also, I don't know how it works, but if it makes people feel more comfortable maybe a mod can unindex this thread from google? (If not, can we move it to 77 or something?)

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Cary Tennis' last column on Salon is called "How I Became a Pothead": http://www.salon.com/life/drugs/index.html?story=/mwt/col/tenn/2010/06/03/marijuana

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Some other more recent stories:

Marie Myung-Ok Lee's "Why I Give My 9-Year-Old Pot" Series from Slate:
http://www.slate.com/id/2251174/

Marijuana inspiring Cuisine in NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/19/dining/19pot.html

Jack Shafer telling NY Times they are ridiculous for writing that piece:
http://www.slate.com/id/2254397/

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

not sure i want to read "why i gave my 9-year-old pot" but.. hm..
intriguingly, my mom's position on weed has flipped--she used to bother me about 'becoming a druggie' and now she is all 'oh, i think pot should be legalized.' maybe she's been lighting up?

ian, Sunday, 6 June 2010 18:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

living in massachusetts i can openly smoke pot at my gay wedding, but good luck to the rest of you.

scott seward, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

Come gather round people wherever you roam...

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

I cannot help but conclude, after a lifetime of observation, that the present power regime in the USA will never consent to legalize drugs, even if it results in more rational regulation of these activities, a massively lowering of the costs of incarceration (both social as well as monetary), and a cutting off of the funding for huge criminal organizations.

There's just too much money at stake in continuing the drug war now. The cops are mostly in favor of it, because it gives them more power and money, and they get to look like they are saving society from a scourge, while they are just engaging in a lot of fruitless, showy, theatrical idiocy. The prison industry is all for it. And politicians love it, because hating on druggies is the opposite side of the coin from loving mom and apple pie.

Against such stupidity even the gods contend in vain.

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Really? Cause the winds seem to be heavily blowing towards legalization.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just became medically legalized in NJ, NY is currently looking to medically legalize it.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

i hate the focus on medical though, no one should have to give a reason or be able to see a doctor to engage in freedom

harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Those winds of legalization will die away to a whisper in the South. If the Feds maintain prohibition, then the states will not be able to enact the kind of reform and regulation that will do a proper job of it.

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm okay with that. I think that if it becomes legal (or de facto legal) in enough of the country, eventually that'll push things over federally too. You just need to build some momentum, and I see momentum all over the place.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

If we could just strangle enough RRW Republicans, then maybe...

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

... but moral scruples forbid me to discuss this line of thought.

Aimless, Sunday, 6 June 2010 19:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

i hate the focus on medical though, no one should have to give a reason or be able to see a doctor to engage in freedom

― harbl, Sunday, June 6, 2010 3:14 PM (41 minutes ago)

idk, i agree totally about pot and think that all drug possessions should be decriminalized, but i wouldn't extend that 'freedom' to other illicit drugs or prescription medications obv

fman29.5 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

neither would i!

harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha yeah i basically figured that's what you meant, i'm in lolcollege so i've had one too many conversations w/ ppl who are like yeah pot should be legal! fuck it all drugs should be legal!

fman29.5 (k3vin k.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

penalties in ca may be reclassified (no longer misdemeanor)

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/cannabis-chronicles/marijuana-possession-less-than/

not posey: a problem (tremendoid), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

if dude can hold the pen straight

not posey: a problem (tremendoid), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think the legalization ballot measure is going down fwiw, but the fact that it's a question is amazing even given the state of bud politics here.

vast majority of la dispensaries needing to ROLL with the punches meanwhile
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_15235255?source=rss

not posey: a problem (tremendoid), Sunday, 6 June 2010 20:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

they're pushing to get full legalization on the ballot in oregon this fall

what it feels like for a goon (The Reverend), Sunday, 6 June 2010 21:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Also, I don't know how it works, but if it makes people feel more comfortable maybe a mod can unindex this thread from google? (If not, can we move it to 77 or something?)

― Mordy, Sunday, June 6, 2010 12:37 PM (4 hours ago)

I've done this, though if it's kept to politics rather than personal habits, I don't know how necessary it was.

Grisly Addams (WmC), Sunday, 6 June 2010 22:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

i hope it's not just a lolcollege idea to want to see see all drugs legalized. obviously we're not talking crack being freely available to schoolkids from the corner shop here; there would besome kind of sliding scale of control, e.g. cannabis as free as tobacco, e/speed/coke over the counter at the pharmacy, heroin perhaps only on prescription for registered addicts. i really don't see the benefit in having any substance completely criminalised. it does not effectively discourage use; it turns ordinary people into criminals - at best merely for usage/possession, at worst for having to commit crime in order to maintain a supply; it enables an enormous criminal trade; it means there is no control over substance purity. if drugs were under government control they would be clean and pure, they could be taxed to help fund treatment for addicts, and there would surely be a huge reduction in drug related crime.

ok maybe things wouldn't be quite that rosy. but it's clear the current system is a complete failure. and in general while i'm far from libertarian i am a strong believer in personal liberty and the idea of the government having such a strong say over what i choose to put into my body is anathema to me.

sent from my neural lace (ledge), Sunday, 6 June 2010 22:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

no i don't think the lolcollege thing refers to what you're talking about, just a certain type of libertarian thinking. i don't believe in drug criminalization either for the same reasons as you said, it has done a lot of very bad things to america in my opinion.

harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 23:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

Full legalization is a LONG way away. The area of law I practice in, employment, is one of the areas where this is really clear: The California Fair Employment and Housing Act, or FEHA, recognizes the use of some prescription drugs, and mandates that employers, in certain situations, must accommodate the user of those drugs if the use of those drugs somehow limits their ability to do their job.

But it doesn't provide the same protections to medical marijuana. The way in which the Compassionate Care Act of 1996 was drafted, it addresses only the criminal aspects as it pertains to patients. It doesn't address employment aspects, or any of the other ways in which marijuana can impact lives. The CA Supreme Court ruled that employers do not have to accommodate compassionate care users for precisely this reason - the Act doesn't address employment law. Kind of a legal punt, but it drew attention to just how narrowly the Compassionate Care Act is drawn. There was an Oregon decision recently which arrived at the same rationale. Now, if two of the most pot-friendly states in the country have rulings like that on the books, the 9th circuit is not likely to hold another way if a case were to make it that far.

But the decriminalization has been good. And, in reality, no cop is going to bust you for a joint or a dime bag. Driving while doing smoking/stoned? Another story, as well it should be.

Let Amare go ham like he was all you can eating it (B.L.A.M.), Sunday, 6 June 2010 23:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

no cop is going to bust you for a joint or a dime bag.

if you have the right color of skin

donk quixote (The Reverend), Monday, 7 June 2010 14:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

I doubt we'll ever see pot legalized, though it would be so convenient if it was. OK, maybe not "ever," but I really seriously doubt it'll happen in the next 20-40 years, or so long as we have Mormons in the U.S.

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 14:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Rev otm, and if you're in the "wrong" neighborhood, you'd be surprised how small an infraction you can end up in handcuffs for

the mom most likely to comprehend juggalos (J0hn D.), Monday, 7 June 2010 14:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

no cop is going to bust you for a joint or a dime bag.

if you have the right color of skin

― donk quixote (The Reverend), Monday, June 7, 2010 10:02 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark

I used to work at a diner where for dishwashers we hired convicts who were trying to get back on their feet, and they were mostly black guys that had been in jail for years and years after being busted in this way. Legalization is in a large part a civil rights cause.

Adam Bruneau, Monday, 7 June 2010 16:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think the legalization ballot measure is going down fwiw

why do you think this...? I haven't seen any authoritative polling to-date.

in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 June 2010 16:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/31/local/la-me-0601-poll-20100529

i just have a feeling. people don't pay attention to propositions, even this one, until the ads start ratcheting up and the opposition has a lot of boogeymen to unleash, not to mention opposing the measure more forcefully in the coming months is low-hanging fruit for both of the likely gub nominees. from what i've seen, trying to put myself in the shoes of the 'average voter' the pro argument as articulated feels kind of ad-hoc but that could change too.

edd|e house is not a homie (tremendoid), Monday, 7 June 2010 17:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Besides the Office of National Drug Control Policy, who funds opposition advertising? Someone said the cigarette companies spend a lot on opposition advertising, but I couldn't find any data to support that. Anyone here know?

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

cigarette companies are all broke I thought

in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 June 2010 17:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

I would not be surprised if it were religious people (cough cough Mormons). If there *were* a national vote, you bet the Mormon Church would do a Prop-8 style $$$$ push to shut that shit down. I promise.

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

are tobacco companies even allowed to spend campaign money? so many lawsuits/civil suits have crippled the industry

xp

in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

If there *were* a national vote, you bet the Mormon Church would do a Prop-8 style $$$$ push to shut that shit down. I promise.

I can see this happening. at the same time, most of the country does not love Mormons, much less being told what to do by Mormons.

in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

like what is the percentage that thinks Mormons aren't "really" Christians...? it's pretty high iirc

in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well, sure, but it worked w/Prop 8, right?

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

And it's not like they would advertise, "WE, the MORMONS, want you to never smoke pot! And also we don't really have multiple wives. Brought to you by THE MORMONS."

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sponsored by the Mormons For Curtailing Your Fun Committee for America (c)

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

At any rate, this topic of converrsation ("will pot be legalized") always kind of feels like a mass funtime of projections of the speakers' pasts & desires. I, por ejemplo, would love for pot to be legalized, but grew up in a community where smoking weed was tantamount (in perceived riskiness & evilness) to smoking meth. This informs my perspective. I imagine someone who grew up in a less conservative area, or had pot-smoking parents, would have a more optimistic view. ANd someone who thinks weed is bad, and has never smoked it, would naturally be more inclined to say it's so not gonna happen. I feel in some ways like there's no way to know.

breaking that little dog's heart chakra (Abbott), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

i suspect in my lifetime we will see the states where it's been cleared for medical purposes legalize it wholesale; everywhere else will be in sort of limbo between where we are now and full legalization

used to bull's-eye Zach Wamps in my T-16 back home (will), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

It seems to me that once it's become fully legalized in a few states, it'll be de facto legal everywhere. They can't exactly set up state border patrols to make sure you aren't buying in NJ and driving it up to NY, or whatever.

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

still pretty illegal in lots of europe, despite amsterdam

iatee, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Europe's different

in my day we had to walk 10 miles in the snow for VU bootleg (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

As far as I know, Prohibition was repealed everywhere all at once, but an interesting comparison might be individual state tax laws on vices. Technically, afaik, it's illegal to buy alcohol in NJ and then drive it into PA, but this obviously happens all the time, whenever someone in Cherry Hill picks up a bottle of wine and then drives to his friend's place in Philadelphia, and it's de facto legal. How can you enforce that kind of law?

Mordy, Monday, 7 June 2010 18:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

wrt CA as an avowed pessimist the fact that they gathered the signatures still feels like found money, bottom line is i think the radius of 'public consciousness raising' for legalization hasn't extended nearly as far as the medical angle, which tbh still relies on compassion for the very very sick to get over (medical cannabis is not going away but it's still plenty begrudged among the majority of counties and municipalities). i mean i hope that's an antiguated view of how politics move in 2010 but yeah, prop 8. think we can just wipe away the culture of prohibition w/o at least will n' gracing it for a minute, it just can't be that easy, right?

edd|e house is not a homie (tremendoid), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i guess i would liken it blue laws around here. like, you would probably never ever be able to just pop by dispensary/ package store in the state of Tennessee and buy a nice bottle of wine and some white widow for your dinner party. but if you were pulled over and had an oz cops would just be like eh, whatever - as long as you aren't smokin & drivin (someone will obviously need to build some kind of breath-alizer for weed if it's ever to be legalized i'm guessing)

used to bull's-eye Zach Wamps in my T-16 back home (will), Monday, 7 June 2010 18:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

omg whuuuut

hemioblock (The Reverend), Friday, 4 January 2013 21:41 (4 months ago) Permalink

My tax dollars at work: Marijuana Licensing and Regulatory Manager

joygoat, Sunday, 6 January 2013 23:25 (4 months ago) Permalink

http://www.capwiz.com/norml2/issues/alert/?alertid=62324266

i voted for daylin leach!

Mordy, Wednesday, 9 January 2013 02:00 (4 months ago) Permalink

Mordy, Friday, 11 January 2013 15:53 (4 months ago) Permalink

more and more americans want pot legal:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/16/opinion/nathan-comments-on-pot-column/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

Mordy, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 19:19 (4 months ago) Permalink

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2013/01/long-term-marijuana-use-could-have-zero-effect-on-iq/

― Mordy, Monday, January 14, 2013 6:59 PM

http://www.nature.com/news/pot-smokers-might-not-turn-into-dopes-after-all-1.12207

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:03 PM

༼•̃͡ ɷ•̃͡༽ (am0n), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 19:29 (4 months ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

it's so stupid people can't buy packs of joints

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 11 February 2013 00:17 (3 months ago) Permalink

Blumenhauer's district is mostly Portland, Oregon, so he won't be hurt by introducing this bill. It wouldn't dismantle the drug war (sad to say), but it would be a big step toward sanity.

Aimless, Monday, 11 February 2013 05:39 (3 months ago) Permalink

Pennsylvanians don’t want marijuana legalized, but they favor letting adults use it for medical purposes, that’s according to the latest Franklin & Marshall College Poll.

The poll found that 55 percent of respondents said no to making marijuana legal, but that is down from a 2010 study, where 60 percent said no and a 2006 study where 72 percent said no.

Of those polled, 36 said yes, they support legalizing marijuana, which is up from 33 percent in 2010 and 22 percent in 2006.

When it comes to using marijuana for medical purposes, as recommended by a doctor, 51 percent of those polled strongly favored it, and 31 percent somewhat favored it. On the other side, 13 percent strongly opposed and 3 percent somewhat opposed. The results were not very different from the 2010 and 2006 results.

The Franklin & Marshall College Poll interviewed 622 Pennsylvania voters between January 29 and February 3. The margin of error is reported as plus or minus 3.9 percentage points.

I wish PA electorate was into legalizing it entirely but for my personal needs legalizing it medicinally would be a huge deal so this is basically good news.

Mordy, Monday, 11 February 2013 18:31 (3 months ago) Permalink

really hope Crohn's/UC is included in the medical purposes

Arty, Noisy, Weird, Funky, Punky Pope (crüt), Monday, 11 February 2013 19:39 (3 months ago) Permalink

They are in every state that has legalized it medicinally.

Mordy, Monday, 11 February 2013 19:41 (3 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

sounds absolutely horrible but if I lived somewhere that I could get a steady supply of leaves I'd try it just to see

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 19:47 (2 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

would get mad lifted with dr. katz

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 15 March 2013 19:20 (2 months ago) Permalink

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 15 March 2013 19:52 (2 months ago) Permalink

lol

only built 4 cuban twinx... (The Reverend), Friday, 15 March 2013 19:55 (2 months ago) Permalink

I fully expect weed to be legal in California within the next election cycle tbh

his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 March 2013 19:58 (2 months ago) Permalink

Advocates for the Disabled and Seriously Ill is some A+ naming for your medical weed org

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 15 March 2013 20:59 (2 months ago) Permalink

i'm not sure i trust the advice to smoke sativas. if you're able to purchase fucking artisanal boutique quality weed with a name attached to it, the sativas are going to be potent. despite what the dude in the article says, most weed you buy is going to be sativa dominant.

high cbd and low thc would be the first thing i'd recommend, since the effects that are putting people off are mental effects, paranoia and anxiety, feeling your heart menacingly throbbing in your chest.

and yo check this out

http://iloveweed.net/2010/09/high-times-top-40-buds-of-1977/ forget cannabinoids and terpenes, shit was just garbage back in the day.

dylannn, Thursday, 21 March 2013 18:45 (2 months ago) Permalink

I disagree with some of that article and was surprised to see no mention of CBD/CBN. Personally, strong indicas are a lot more relaxing for me, and the trend toward really high THC sativas with no CBD or CBN is what I associate with the more hallucinogenic, anxiety-inducing modern strains.

xp

wk, Thursday, 21 March 2013 18:45 (2 months ago) Permalink

yeah, dylannn otm

wk, Thursday, 21 March 2013 18:46 (2 months ago) Permalink

those pictures are hilarious. I was wondering "how can you know that shit was garbage back in the day" until I saw those pics.

wk, Thursday, 21 March 2013 18:47 (2 months ago) Permalink

yikes.

Heyman (crüt), Thursday, 21 March 2013 19:07 (2 months ago) Permalink

Back in Colorado, Ellison says that as of now, the demand for straight-up bud comes from men in their 20s, and they pay for potency. “They want to party and get wasted,” he says. But if customers demand something mellower, the industry will supply it. Ellison predicts that large corporations, such as beer companies, might fill the gap, producing large quantities of midgrade weed: not as flashy as the current Cannabis Cup winners, with their crystals of THC glistening under glamorous lighting, but not as pathetic as ditch weed either. “If the big boys come in and come out with a mid-grade” he says, then that new market will be served.

my experience is that the first point about dispensary customer demographics and goals is not accurate at all.

and if you want midgrade weed, there's a ton of it out there-- even out here in vancouver, the majority of weed is big bud hybrids grown fast and rough, with low to medium potency and decent smoke/flavour.

and right now, the role occupied by beer companies in that disturbing vision of the future is held by mexican weed, which is currently pretty fuego and a lot of people are smoking it in the u.s.a. despite the poor image the brand has.

anyways, there's tons of midgrade and lowgrade weed out there for people to smoke (as the song says, popcorn mids got the trap goin crazy), without anheuser-busch involvement.

dylannn, Thursday, 21 March 2013 20:10 (2 months ago) Permalink

yeah, I think the author is conflating mellow with mid-grade which isn't accurate imo.

wk, Thursday, 21 March 2013 20:21 (2 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

ω (carne asada), Monday, 8 April 2013 20:41 (1 month ago) Permalink

Getting a bit frustrated with living in that grey part

Moodles, Monday, 8 April 2013 20:46 (1 month ago) Permalink

otm

Mordy, Monday, 8 April 2013 20:48 (1 month ago) Permalink

there's a way to take that edge off

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:00 (1 month ago) Permalink

markers, Saturday, 13 April 2013 17:36 (1 month ago) Permalink

urls v much in character! http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/new-york-news/mom-and-pot-business

Mordy, Thursday, 25 April 2013 14:47 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

hmmm

the late great, Thursday, 25 April 2013 19:58 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

this seems relevant:

You can find good reporting on marijuana in general and medical marijuana in particular in O’Shaughnessy’s, a journal named after the physician who introduced cannabis to Western medicine in 1839. The annual print edition is distributed by doctors to patients, and articles are now being posted on its Web site, along with a blog by the managing editor, Fred Gardner. Gardner’s unusual résumé includes stints as an editor at Scientific American, an anti-war organizer, a private investigator, and press spokesman for the district attorney of San Francisco—all relevant experience, given that O’Shaughnessy’s covers pot-related science, medicine, politics, law, and history. O’Shaughnessy’s was co-founded in 2003 by the late Tod Mikuriya, M.D., the California doctor who was famously accused by Bill Clinton’s drug czar Barry McCaffrey of practicing “Cheech and Chong medicine.”

Mordy, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 20:07 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

california supreme court rules that localities can ban dispensaries

no more joy for san diego potheads

the late great, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 20:34 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

guess there's no more incentive to get cards and prescriptions ...

the late great, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 20:37 (2 weeks ago) Permalink


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