Like, if Andrea Dworkin wrote a fantasy epic intended to address gender/sexual politics it would by necessity be chockfull of sexual violence, romance would be shown to be an empty cover story for exploitation and degradation, and it would undoubtedly be really unpleasant, kinda like GoT. Martin's politics do seem to lean left and he has done a fair amount to promote women in the industry etc. but it feels like there's a a disparity between those elements of his personality and the sort of lurid way sexual violence is handled in his material.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, May 20, 2015
been thinking about this post and it is def not meaningful in any large way but still somehow jumps to mind that mzb turned out to be an irl-creep/possible monster
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:47 (eight years ago) link
who is mzb
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:54 (eight years ago) link
Marion Zimmer Bradley, probably?
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:54 (eight years ago) link
ah of course
I don't remember there being a bunch of sexual violence in Mists of Avalon (which my gf at the time made me read) but maybe I'm forgetting something
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 21:55 (eight years ago) link
Uh wow, I did not hear about MZB!! Sad because I really liked MOA.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 22:03 (eight years ago) link
i do not do not do not want to make this the mzb horrorshow thread but it's googleable
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 22:12 (eight years ago) link
mzb google is legit bummertown usa, like chemical-brain-wash afterwards kind of reading
i was a fan & i still don't know what to do with that
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 23:43 (eight years ago) link
Kinda curious how this particular type of tv audience would respond to Oz. Rape was a major part of that show and I ended up feeling sorry for characters I didn't previously think possible. Peter Schibetta got it really rotten.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 21 May 2015 00:49 (eight years ago) link
yeah, i want to be sympathetic to people who are bristling about this rape scene but i'm struggling to see how it makes a lot of sense given the nature of this show. it's been established that it's a brutal, violent world and horrific things happen on a regular basis. TV Show Sansa has been rolled together with another character in the books and that character is abused to an even further extent. how would we even know at this point that it's gratuitous being completely unaware of what happens down the line? it wasn't filmed in a questionable manner either, it demonstrated the brutality of the act without doing it in some creepy, sexualized way.
is rape not a thing that should be broached in fiction, art, whatever? is all the other heinous shit that happens in this show OK?
― circa1916, Thursday, 21 May 2015 01:37 (eight years ago) link
I was annoyed with it on a couple of levels, but mostly because the scene seemed to be more "about" Theon/Reek than Sansa. Which really just made the rape seem like a cheap plot device. But we'll see how next week shakes out, I guess?
― fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Thursday, 21 May 2015 01:45 (eight years ago) link
that Mary Sue article was bizarre. Writer claims to be fan of the books, knows about the much worse rape scene that this one is somewhat based on, and yet is so scandalized by the scene that the site is going to stop "promoting" the tv show. Why not give up on the whole series, books and all, after reading GRRM's rape scene? I can only imagine it's because this happened to Sansa, who seemingly was taking back control of her destiny, going goth and all.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Thursday, 21 May 2015 01:51 (eight years ago) link
i don't know how to articulate the reaction bcz it's one I share but i am not really into the way it's being interrogated itt
i mean, i know you all like lengthy chin-scratching posts about whys and yes-but-what-if
but it's also kinda removed & feels a bit like "kicking the rape-can around"
i'm not saying don't interrogate, but just know that not everyone is up for dissection of rape in the media or good rape vs bad rape
and i am gonna have to bail until the next episode airs & hopefully yall move on
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 21 May 2015 02:06 (eight years ago) link
every time i see the new high sparrow my mind goes BRAAAAAAAAAAAZZZZIIILL WHERE HEARTS WERE ENTERTAINING JUNE
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 21 May 2015 04:40 (eight years ago) link
I mostly remember the Lexus commercials
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 21 May 2015 05:32 (eight years ago) link
Infiniti.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Thursday, 21 May 2015 06:04 (eight years ago) link
May I request a new thread? This thing crashes whatever browser I try to read it on whenever I try and go back to load an entire week's worth of commentary. Possibly tomorrow or Saturday, so we catch all of this week's talk and then move to the new one for episode 7?
― Hydroelectric New Deal Demiurge (B.L.A.M.), Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:39 (eight years ago) link
use bookmarks
― lag∞n, Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:45 (eight years ago) link
tbf its not far away from 10,000 - it might be reasonable to do a part 2
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:51 (eight years ago) link
I get that, but I can't even get to the point where I can want to put a bookmark. This muhufucker is unwieldy!
― Hydroelectric New Deal Demiurge (B.L.A.M.), Thursday, 21 May 2015 17:59 (eight years ago) link
Yeah it seems a bit mad that we're still on the first thread, considering this is probably the most talked about show on the board and is in its fifth season.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:07 (eight years ago) link
At this point we might as well finish the season though.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link
surely the Wire has more threads/posts
xxp
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link
Just cut your losses and bookmark at the current end of this thread!
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:12 (eight years ago) link
You're not missing a whole lot imo.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:13 (eight years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Thursday, May 21, 2015 2:08 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol u literally never stop
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:21 (eight years ago) link
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Thursday, May 21, 2015 1:13 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― dan m, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:25 (eight years ago) link
I was being serious! There are a ton of Wire threads - for individual seasons, character polls, threads where posters "talk like a character from the Wire", etc. - to say nothing of all the threads that compare the Wire to other shows.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:25 (eight years ago) link
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Thursday, May 21, 2015 2:12 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Thursday, May 21, 2015 2:13 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ha was abt to make these exact posts
― lag∞n, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:29 (eight years ago) link
all those sand snakes zings gone forever
― Evan, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:33 (eight years ago) link
Gone like snakes in an hourglass
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:37 (eight years ago) link
so are the games of our thrones
― lag∞n, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:38 (eight years ago) link
Mad Men seems to be getting more discussion for each recent episode than this entire GoT season.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:54 (eight years ago) link
All in the game of thrones yo, all in the game.
― groovypanda, Thursday, 21 May 2015 19:19 (eight years ago) link
amanda marcotte on sansa plotline controversy
― Mordy, Friday, 22 May 2015 00:16 (eight years ago) link
Bullshit. Thinking something is wrong for more than one reason is not the same as 'moving the goalposts'. And the idea that the scene is actually subversive, as if Game of Thrones is the first culture in the world that constantly punishes women. Read a comic book. Also, the idea that the rape was the same, but just to another person. It is not the same. Those are two different persons. It's two different rapes. And if we really want to go into it, in the show, Jeyne Pool is still captured, she is still being tormented somewhere, just not at Winterfell. We don't see it, no, but neither did we 'see' Ramsey rape her in the book. They invented more torment of a person that wasn't tormented before, they didn't just move some torment around. And why the fuck does this show keep on having to invent more torment for it's female characters? What sick impulse is this?
― Frederik B, Friday, 22 May 2015 01:31 (eight years ago) link
Marcotte and Alyssa Rosenberg otm
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 22 May 2015 01:34 (eight years ago) link
The impulse of making a show about the horrors of sexual inequalities.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 22 May 2015 01:46 (eight years ago) link
as if Game of Thrones is the first culture in the world that constantly punishes women. Read a comic book.
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― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 22 May 2015 01:54 (eight years ago) link
This is actually very good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=19&v=zs7xO5P3Az4
― groovypanda, Friday, 22 May 2015 09:24 (eight years ago) link
self fulfilling prophecy there methinks
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Friday, 22 May 2015 14:57 (eight years ago) link
lol Keyes
― Οὖτις, Friday, 22 May 2015 15:37 (eight years ago) link
like the show, this thread is mostly a lot of bullshitting but nothing really happening
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 22 May 2015 16:07 (eight years ago) link
what is supposed to happen in a thread?
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 22 May 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link
with occasional shocking brutal slaughters of key personalities
― lag∞n, Friday, 22 May 2015 16:09 (eight years ago) link
RIP lagoon
oops spoilers
― DJP, Friday, 22 May 2015 18:10 (eight years ago) link
dang, brutal
― slothroprhymes, Friday, 22 May 2015 18:12 (eight years ago) link
fuuc
― lag∞n, Friday, 22 May 2015 18:17 (eight years ago) link
HOOS your daddy.
Oops, spoilers.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Friday, 22 May 2015 18:21 (eight years ago) link
in the books it was forks
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 22 May 2015 18:31 (eight years ago) link
Luna c = tansy
― demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Friday, 22 May 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link