Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

Fuck the Daleks, seriously

QFT

Love the Daleks but they've been ridiculously overused, better to build some anticipation for their return and make it actually good rather than, y'know, a vague obligation. Hasn't actually been a good Daleks story since 2005.

The ganger Doctor reappearing has been so heavily trailered - the Doctor actually told him that his molecular memory could survive - that I'd be amazed if it didn't happen.

Trying to remember when we first saw scary eyepatch lady - was it in the second ep? If so, yeah it's very possible she could have been taken in the six-month gap between 1 and 2.

Also, did Amy tell the real Doctor that she'd seen his death, thinking she was telling the ganger? This is kind of important.

Be interesting to see how the Tardis works out with just the Doctor and Rory in it.

Also, did Amy tell the real Doctor that she'd seen his death, thinking she was telling the ganger? This is kind of important.

Yes, he mentioned invites to her near the end of the ep.

Trying to remember when we first saw scary eyepatch lady - was it in the second ep? If so, yeah it's very possible she could have been taken in the six-month gap between 1 and 2.

Yes, eyepatch lady first appeared in episode 2.

Amy mentioned being pregnant to the Doctor in episode one.

Ohyeah, is that when she took the cameraphone video of the Silence in the bathroom to remember to tell the Dr, and stopped him with "I've got something to tell you", and then forgot what it was and said she was pregnant? This may be meaningful. Or... not.

I watched Inferno last night (Third Doctor - 1970) - thoroughly enjoyed parallel universe eyepatch gent Brigade Leader Lethbridge-Stewart and his uniformed sidekick Section Leader Liz Shaw. Excellent support cast of mad scientists and stuffy civil servants. Didn't really enjoy the crap lava werewolf monsters that were defeated with fire extinguishers.

I'll hopefully get through The Claws of Axos tonight (I got a Third Doctor box with 7 serials in it).

Ohyeah, is that when she took the cameraphone video of the Silence in the bathroom to remember to tell the Dr, and stopped him with "I've got something to tell you", and then forgot what it was and said she was pregnant? This may be meaningful. Or... not.

Yeah, I figured the fact Amy's still got a picture of the Silence on her phone, which no-one has seen, might still be leading up to something. Not sure what though.

they used the photo on her phone to make the hologram in the TARDIS tho, so it was actually seen

Oh, OK, I must have been scratching my head going "uh, wtf?" at that point (I've been doing that quite a lot and I figure I'm missing whole important plot devices as a result. My parents are as confused as all hell with this whole series - I wonder how it's going down in general outwith the internets?).

My sons are definitely less gripped than in previous series and have decided Tennant > Smith despite loving Smith last year. I wonder if Moffat(& Co)'s attempts to scare kids are getting in the way of entertaining them.

too much orange not enough teal this week

I was under the impression that it was going quite well with actual kids (ie who fixate on the scary/cool stuff and don't worry too much if they don't get the plot) as well as internet fanbase. He's probably not hitting as much of the mid-market, which Rusty pretty much squarely aimed at at all times.

Moffat twooted that he was only saying the Daleks won't be in this year

no mention of the supposed clause that insisted on their inclusion ever year before tho - was that actually a thing?

I wonder if the redesign rendered the Terry Nation clause null and void? Guessing there would have been some kind of payoff for the reconfiguration but this would somehow subvert annual Daleks.

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Is it really that hard to figure out what’s going on? I mean, joining every single dot might be confusing, but getting a 95% gist of what’s going on is pretty basic. It’s like when comics fans complain about stories being too continuity-heavy, when its basically just a story about a superhero escaping a base and punching people.

Well, I've evidently missed some stuff which may or may not be relevant. I know it will all tie up in the end, but I was out-loud wondering if missing this stuff as it happens throughout the series makes any difference. There seems to be a lot more of it what with River's timeline, gangers, fake Amy, doctor death thingy.

Last episode was pretty obviously intentionally confusing, no one except the Doctor had any idea what was going on.

I wonder if the redesign rendered the Terry Nation clause null and void? Guessing there would have been some kind of payoff for the reconfiguration but this would somehow subvert annual Daleks.

They've been redesigned many times in the past though and they're still identifiably Daleks, and called Daleks, so I doubt that. Maybe the clause just elapsed, it's been five years after all.

Or maybe it never actually existed in the first place.

I gave up and spoilered myself re: this episode and it really seems like part 2 is going to make up for how flat and boring part 1 was

also the random flashes of eyepatch lady now make sense to me based on what I read of the spoilers and MAN I LOVE MOFFAT

Dunno if this has come up before but these episode commentaries are a blast

Can I just say I love Doctor Whooves?

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i just want to point out that to keep the thread spoiler free we should only be talking about the things that have happened in episodes up to (and including) 'the rebel flesh' b/c bbc america & itunes have delayed 'the almost people' episode until next weekend. not that i particularly care, but just fyi and in the interest of fairness etc., etc.

No offense, but good luck with that. It's strange how nobody in the UK demands we hold off on discussing US series when there's a broadcast delay..

Ha I have only ever watched them by downloading them anyway!

I don't know of any other dr. who web chat place that goes by anything other than when the episode is aired on BBC One. This would be like "hey guys don't talk about ___ yet, the episodes get posted a week later on hulu" or whatever. Should we not talk about series 6 at all because series 5 is still running on SyFy and some people don't get BBC America?

yeah, we torrented as soon as we heard abt the delay.

and as for early talk, I just know not to join the thread til I've seen the new ep...cant imagine the britisher early- talk bothers that many ppl, surely?

If there's a delay you're better off just keeping away from the thread.

When does the next episode happen anyway? Is it Saturday or is there a break now?

i'm not saying i actually care at all, and i'm happy to keep clear of revealing bits on this thread. i just wanted to point out the discrepancy in policy for the next time the UK spoiler police come a-callin' and put somebody through the ring for, like, mentioning that they know an episode title.

ring = ringer

this is why i was asking up thread before i ploughed into "So when d'ya reckon Amy was kidnapped? tween ep1 and 2, right" stuff

i just want to point out that to keep the thread spoiler free we should only be talking about the things that have happened in episodes up to (and including) 'the rebel flesh' b/c bbc america & itunes have delayed 'the almost people' episode until next weekend. not that i particularly care, but just fyi and in the interest of fairness etc., etc.

Ignoring your assumption that the US air date is all that matters, how far can you feasibly take that fairness? If I pushed for no spoilers on anything ever until it aired here there'd be no discussions full stop.

Air date in home country is pretty much the standard spoiler clause and is entirely reasonable. If you're really concerned about this perhaps just make a "Doctor Who for Americans" thread or something.

or... don't look at the thread for a week

otm

remy was agreeing with u guys anyway tho

I like not being the buttedhurtednest spoilerphone here, for once!

And yeah, next ep this saturday, then six months off or something.

Back in September iirc

(yes it's the internet, yes I could check, but last time it took like 58,000 clicks in wikipedia to find the page with the broadcast dates)

remy was agreeing with u guys anyway tho

― blueski, Tuesday, May 31, 2011 3:42 PM (1 hour ago)

i was – i was just making a point!

- dear TV shows that I like, plz stop taking 'breaks'. ;_;

THIS

disagree, big cliffhanger will be super-fun. the US system of two weeks on, three weeks off, is stupid - but this is actually usefully planned.

I watched The Claws of Axos last night - I don't think it made full use of the barren wasteland that is Dungeness - wonderful setting all the same. Inside of the Axos ship looked like a trypophobe's nightmare nothing but repeated circular patterns and holes and circular patterns with holes over the top of them. Did every Third Doctor ep feature a stuffy civil servant getting in the way? lol'd at the Doctor and Jo escaping the ship with the power of MENTAL ARITHMETIC. Enjoyed the interplay with The Doctor and The Master - I liked that it was less of an event The Master being present, I sometimes feel the reboot is all Events. I know it' a tired old thing to say now but the monsters were shite once again.

Next up: The Three Doctors.

I assume the break is because ratings dropped during the summer last year when all the kids were either away or outside having fun? Series seems to be starting later and later every year.

That's a factor, as well as giving them more time to make the series. But Moffatt keeps noting how the scheduling fucks them around in the press's eyes; that the overnights are going down, but the total numbers are actually going up, and it regularly breaks all records for catch-up and iplayer and whatnot.

I assume the break is because ratings dropped during the summer last year when all the kids were either away or outside having fun? Series seems to be starting later and later every year.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 03:44 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Blame the christians and moveable easter (or maybe it's the Jews or the moon that is to blame)

I blame RTD why because why not

Its ridiculous how the internet obsessios get all worried about poor overnights. Cause the BBC is surely going to cancel the only program it has that is internationally known and beloved and can't just be remade (like a game-show or sitcom). Well, maybe if Mark Zuckerberg was in charge of it there'd be cause for worry, but nu-who is not going away -- its more popular now internationally than ever before. The beeb would have a massive, worldwide campaign to bring it back to deal with if they canceled it.

sorry I just realized that rant was pretty disconnected from the previous conversation.