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mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:18 (seven years ago) link

I'd advocate just using Windows 10 a million times over "run windows apps on linux instead of using a mac"

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:19 (seven years ago) link

I'm considering Windows but I'm so tied into OSX in so many ways that Hackintosh sounds good, esp. if people aren't having it broken with every update.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:23 (seven years ago) link

imo I'd wait until the end of the month, it sounds like apple's going to update more hardware, but who knows

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:24 (seven years ago) link

kind of think etaeoe was going for a "running macOS on hacked hardware is like windows apps on linux" but tbh the scale of dumbassery is not even comparable

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:24 (seven years ago) link

龜 otm

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:25 (seven years ago) link

I'll wait...but that hackintosh pricing is really nice. I also have a 2010 macbook pro (anti glare screen!) so maybe it'll be fun to mess with hackintosh. Also thinking of locking down the computers so my music machine isn't running any of Adobe's bullshit at all. Or Chrome or Dropbox.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:27 (seven years ago) link

I keep hearing maybe Windows is good now

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:29 (seven years ago) link

Windows now comes with Linux

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:30 (seven years ago) link

A buddy of mine wrote about the time we spent working on pro computing

https://medium.com/@al3x/what-pro-computing-could-be-73ba8735e18a#.1m8bfgbpe

Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:30 (seven years ago) link

kind of think etaeoe was going for a "running macOS on hacked hardware is like windows apps on linux" but tbh the scale of dumbassery is not even comparable

fair but it is still dumbassery

Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:31 (seven years ago) link

I have a Raspberry Pi I'm planning on putting on my desk at home with stock FreeBSD installed and no network connection. That's my new pro machine.

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:33 (seven years ago) link

lol wait what etaeoe, that's you?

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:35 (seven years ago) link

sorry, that was in reference the the medium article

and tbf almost everything has some level of dumbassery, but the final determination of how bad a solution is really should take into account what problem you're trying to solve

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:46 (seven years ago) link

Windows 10 is not a complete abomination but there are certain ways it's still a much more frustrating experience than OS X, I've had font issues with Chrome on my Office PC, little annoying things will pop up and have to be taken care of via 5 submenus, in general it just doesn't quite look as good or as put together as Apple most of the time.

If you want one without a ton of useless shit and bloatware (excluding Microsoft's bloatware) you have to build it yourself and tbh I've not had much luck with drivers/etc. for PCs I built or combined parts on.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:10 (seven years ago) link

I want to like Windows 10, but I've had no end of problems with plugging in docks/external displays. I upgraded my work laptop to Windows 10, and went back to 7 the next day because of the various incompatibilities...

schwantz, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 19:45 (seven years ago) link

ordered one of these. only thing i really don't understand is not having a discrete GPU that only runs on mains power.

0 / 0 (lukas), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 19:27 (seven years ago) link

they do have dual GPUs, the normal window acceleration stuff is mostly handled by the Intel one, iirc

mh 😏, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 19:41 (seven years ago) link

Which I guess keeps things smooth if you're using Photoshop / playing 4K video with a bunch of windows open, but not if you want to run Overwatch at retina quality. Apple could give a shit, though.

What are the chances devs porting games to Mac bother with stuff like this? http://www.pcworld.com/article/3079785/hardware/gigabyte-just-showed-an-egpu-with-thunderboltusb-c-for-easier-laptop-external-graphics.html

0 / 0 (lukas), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link

Overwatch doesn't run on Mac anyway

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 20:45 (seven years ago) link

I've played PC games nearly exclusively on macs for nearly a decade, including some dual booting to Windows, a whole lot of running Blizzard games on macOS, and a few hybrid situations with older games running in emulation.

If I wanted to play newly released games I'd buy commodity PC hardware or a gaming PC. There's absolutely no attempt to capture the hardware-dependent gaming market. If people want to run an external graphics card like that, they boot to Windows. If anyone's doing that on a mac, there's an extremely high chance they're doing so for video/graphics editing purposes and not for gaming. Even then, it's a really niche market among people on the hardware hackery forums.

I think the only game development they're really strongly supporting is iOS/tvOS. Which makes sense, because the margins are obvious there

mh 😏, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 20:58 (seven years ago) link

My first big loves in PC gaming were adventure games, which are now kind of dead outside of the Telltale games click-to-advance-plot adventures that aren't punishing any hardware, and first person shooters. After that, the Diablo and Starcraft type of things. Those kind of suck on consoles, so I might end up jumping back to a PC if the mood strikes, but I've kind of lost interest. The PS4 is nice but the late 90s version of me would probably weep if he saw me playing a first person shooter on a console.

mh 😏, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 21:01 (seven years ago) link

No Overwatch on Mac one of my biggest gaming disappointments of the year. Blizzard's generally been quite loyal to the Mac!

Nhex, Thursday, 3 November 2016 03:29 (seven years ago) link

yeah, I feel like it was a calculated minor loss but with their stakes are higher and not tied to a second tier pc platform. You get the casuals,on consoles and hardcore gamers on pc rigs

mh 😏, Thursday, 3 November 2016 03:58 (seven years ago) link

Man etaeoe, I got excited just reading that post. But I was totally behind Be, NeXT and even had an SGI Indy, and we know how those stories turned out. Probably best you canned it.

stet, Thursday, 3 November 2016 12:55 (seven years ago) link

The Federal Aviation Administration has capped the maximum allowable size of laptop batteries on flights to 100 watt-hours.

In the EU I checked and that limit is for external batteries. Batteries attached to devices can be 160 watt-hours. I'd be surprised if the two weren't in sync here

stet, Thursday, 3 November 2016 18:10 (seven years ago) link

lol wait what etaeoe, that's you?

ya i’m the β€œfriend”

Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 3 November 2016 20:01 (seven years ago) link

nope xp

https://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/hazmat_safety/more_info/?hazmat=7

Size limits: Lithium metal (non-rechargeable) batteries are limited to 2 grams of lithium per battery. Lithium ion (rechargeable) batteries are limited to a rating of 100 watt hours (Wh) per battery. These limits allow for nearly all types of lithium batteries used by the average person in their electronic devices. With airline approval, passengers may also carry up to two spare larger lithium ion batteries (101-160 watt hours). This size covers the larger after-market extended-life laptop computer batteries and some larger batteries used in professional audio/visual equipment.

龜, Thursday, 3 November 2016 20:17 (seven years ago) link

responding to my own post:

I just spec'd out a hackintosh:

Quad Core i7
32 Gigs of Ram
500 Gig SSD
Water Cooled
Good Grapchics Card
Compact Case

1219$

I just looked at the current Mac Mini again, and for 1599$ I'd get:

Dual Core i7
16 GB Ram
512 GB Flash
Intel Iris

so less cores, half the ram (but still respectable) and lesser graphics card for a few hundred more, but without the hassle of hackintosh.And that computer wouldn't be so terrible.

dan selzer, Friday, 4 November 2016 04:51 (seven years ago) link

mac mini RAM is pretty easy to upgrade IIRC. and once you're in there you can install a SSD pretty easily too iirc.

龜, Friday, 4 November 2016 12:31 (seven years ago) link

Unfortunately that is no longer the case with the latest (>2014) Mini's

Thinking of a Mac Mini myself, would need a monitor though so maybe an iMac is the way to go

willem, Friday, 4 November 2016 12:40 (seven years ago) link

oh wow they went soldered RAM on the latest one? lame

looks like the SSD is still replaceable

龜, Friday, 4 November 2016 12:51 (seven years ago) link

I have monitors and may need better than iMac monitor so that's one of the main reasons I'm looking at the mini.

dan selzer, Friday, 4 November 2016 13:01 (seven years ago) link

Intel Iris sucks if you do anything that could benefit from using your graphics processor (e.g. most stuff in 2016).

Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 4 November 2016 13:36 (seven years ago) link

if we'd just stop coming up with all these uses for graphics other than just throwing an image on the screen they'd catch up one of these years

mh 😏, Friday, 4 November 2016 13:55 (seven years ago) link

The iMac 5k monitor is P3 isn't it? That's probably the best monitor I'm going to need, so am pretty tempted by that.

stet, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:15 (seven years ago) link

yeah, graphics card is one thing that bugs me. I just want that mac mini pro.

The Mac Pro is a flop and too expensive for your average print people. Our in-house retoucher has the trashcan mac pro with an Eizo monitor. Photo pros, retouchers, printing professionals do not want glossy iMac screens. They want Eizo Color Edge or NEC PA monitors.

I already have two decent monitors, I don't want to buy an iMac.

Check out this company that sells 2010-2012 Mac Pro towers.

http://create.pro/

dan selzer, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:17 (seven years ago) link

yeah it's P3 now - unfortunately i have the first gen 5K iMac. none of my apple devices are P3 though - gonna get an iphone 7 through work so curious to see the difference xp.

龜, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:18 (seven years ago) link

I alluded to it above but the way I ended up with a Mac Pro circa 2010ish (maybe earlier?) was a design/marketing company getting rid of all their current Mac Pro machines that designers were using, and they were going straight to iMacs.

I have one friend who quit a photo toning/retouching job at G4nnett four or five years ago and I could have sworn they were heading in that direction but I'm not sure. Just texted her to ask.

mh 😏, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:38 (seven years ago) link

trying to track down someone who works at M3redith publishing too, I guess they're the in-town group that'd be the most stringent about print quality

benefits of working in a boring-ass paper publication city

mh 😏, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:45 (seven years ago) link

been away for a couple of weeks

this is a useful summary http://mjtsai.com/blog/2016/10/27/new-macbook-pros-and-the-state-of-the-mac/

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Friday, 4 November 2016 14:47 (seven years ago) link

iMac/thunderbolt displays are GOOD monitors, as are Dell Ultrasharp and other IPS screens, and good enough for most work, but when you get to the highest level of color critical stuff, it's a problem.

dan selzer, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:48 (seven years ago) link

Somehow the nicer IPS Dell displays were ordered for a while at work a few years ago and I managed to watch a few contractor offices like a vulture and did some strategic monitor swapping and I have dual 24" Ultrasharps ^_^

really wish they were retina pixel density, though

mh 😏, Friday, 4 November 2016 15:14 (seven years ago) link

I may have *cough* played hooky from work *cough* yesterday afternoon for a while and was at the mall with the Apple store near here. They recently remodeled/expanded from a store that was way too small to a new one that is three storefronts wide. It's insane. There were at least three people in there asking about the new laptops, which aren't going to appear in stores for weeks.

I've been in some pretty big Apple stores and the triple-wide one still seemed a little ridiculous. Very pleasing to be able to move around without tripping over people.

mh 😏, Friday, 4 November 2016 15:19 (seven years ago) link

I also checked out that huge Microsoft Surface desktop thing at their mall kiosk. 28" for a monitor seems reeeeally big when you're pivoting it to be close enough to touch. I would not be too sad if someone dropped one on my work desk.

mh 😏, Friday, 4 November 2016 15:23 (seven years ago) link

btw guys I have sold out completely and own Powerbeats 3, betraying all of my internet audiophile forum nerdo credibility

The cloudy syncy bit didn't seem to work on my laptop but I think it's due to having iCloud turned off. But on iOS, the pairing was very good and they instantly showed up as an audio option on my iPad -- if you have iCloud sync turned on, they instantly get added to all your devices when they're on and in range. Was listening to music on my phone, picked up my iPad and told it to play music from that device and it instantly switched. Walked to my car listening to music off my phone, started the car and as soon as bluetooth paired, the music continued on my car stereo

o_O

mh 😏, Friday, 4 November 2016 15:41 (seven years ago) link

btw i got a 7

jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 4 November 2016 15:47 (seven years ago) link

i like it a lot

jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 4 November 2016 15:48 (seven years ago) link


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