New Apple Lust Objects for 2010 and onward

I use siri while sitting in traffic on the rare occasion

i use siri to set timers while cooking and that's it

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, September 20, 2016 2:11 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i use it for in-phone commands; start a timer, set me a reminder (altho you have to be REALLY SPECIFIC), send texts, open apps, start an album etc. But asking it to do anything external is a no no

i took one for the team and visited an audiophile forum - people seem to agree that the lightning dongle provides better sound quality than the 6S

interesting, thanks for your efforts

tyvm

as long as you're there drag some fresh meat to the snake oil thread

seems like an easy way for man alive to test the dongle would be to plug the dongle into his 6S and switch between the dongle and the headphone port

I'm still gonna get it (7+) of course cos I'm a sucker, the camera upgrade is probably worth it alone but i really don't feel like I'm making a leap forward from my 6+

― Spottie, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 05:40 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the 6 was so marginal a jump from the 5 that i still have buyer's remorse about that decision. the larger screen and 128 gb storage were great but performance-wise it just didn't feel that different.

imo you should consider waiting one more year for the prospect of rumoured new features like amoled (and hence features like always-on screen detail, potentially edge-wrapped screen). the 6+ is quick and smooth on ios 10, and the camera still holds up incredibly well.

yeah i could, sound advice, still thinking about it. also thinking about just doing the apple plan so i can just upgrade every year idk

the yearly upgrade plans are not a lot more than hype trains imo, now that phone technology is so mature that breaking your phone is really the only good argument for upgrading more often than every 2–3 years. it's not like the iphone 4 days where you could practically feel the phone ageing in your hands.

just let me waste my money in peace would you

iPhones have cost me ~£20/month by upgrading every year. On top of my £15 plan that's around £35/mo which seems to be what I've been paying for a phone since the Nokia 3210 days

wait your plan is 15 pounds a month? how much data do you get with that?

12gb a month or something like that -- used to be unlimited.

Will anything damage them enough to stop the. going down their fool's road or will they snap back into engagement?

Or will they just continue to be the biggest tech company in the world and ngaf.

Ngaf about anything other than thinness, I mean.

had no idea mobile phone plans were dirt cheap in the uk

good luck USA

iPhones have cost me ~£20/month by upgrading every year. On top of my £15 plan that's around £35/mo which seems to be what I've been paying for a phone since the Nokia 3210 days

plans in australia are similar. thing is, prepaid deals are now so much cheaper and so much more flexible that you're always better off buying up-front if you can. on this iphone 6 i saved $5–700 over a 2yr postpaid/mobile repayment contract with network lock-in.

I know someone who just left Apple and they said that Ive now considers the iPhone to be at final, minimum thinness. So I guess all that's left is un-bulging the camera lens.

or get into the camera business

Ive now considers the iPhone to be at final, minimum thinness.

reasons to remove the headphone jack:

- to make the phone thinner

iPod touch is thinner, cmon have some ambition Ive

Not buying that

Xp a really easy way to test the audio quality was to move the headphones back and forth between the dongle and the iPhone 6 Jack, which is exactly what I did. The quality was lower on the dongle. Testing apparently backs me up on this although claims that its not the kind of thing that will bother "most people" which is exactly what was said about early lossy MP3 files at the time.

Anyway it's done. I returned it. Not worth the extra 31/month even if I'm imagining the audio issue.

The quality was lower on the dongle.

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 10:30 (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thing is, if apple's taking away a universal audio jack, it needs to at least ensure that its replacement is clearly not worse.

man alive, as you're not only convinced it's no better but actually believe it to be worse, whether your impression is objectively accurate or mere perception, apple has failed at another of the principal expectations of removing the headphone jack – that audio quality won't be impacted, and that users won't feel they've had the best available option taken away.

i mean christ, people were putting green rings on their cds and thinking the sound quality was warmer. it shouldn't be that hard at at least match users' perceptions that lightning sound is as good or better. i've seen a lot of similar complaints, which indicates this has been a pretty monumental fuck-up.

"clearly not worse"

You mean like low-quality MP3 streams that people totally embrace?

You mean like crappy headphones that the vast majority of people buy?

You mean like the listening environments for most people wearing earbuds?

Consumers haven't voted on the basis of sound quality since, like, ever. Convenience is a much higher priority.

Always confounds me that a lot of the big critics on ILM refuse to spend more than $100 on speakers

Convenience is a much higher priority.

and they've already failed on that aspect so

i'm not saying people don't buy shit headphones, i'm saying if apple's going to replace something so ubiquitous it needs to meet expectations that the replacement won't be worse than what they had

Yes but the worse part won't be that the dongle delivers lesser audio quality, it will be that they need a dongle at all.

FYI more than 50% of headphones sold last year (estimated at 60%) were Bluetooth.

i agree, just adding man alive's experience to the pile of broken headphone jack dreams

lol

The reason I am sort of swayed by the decision is that my teenage sons don't see anything strange about converting to wireless. They already have, they listen to garbage Bluetooth headphones.

FYI more than 50% of headphones sold last year (estimated at 60%) were Bluetooth.

― Brevs Mekis (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 12:36 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sold yes, but how many people live with what comes in the box? a lot of people use what they've got, including the headphones that came with their previous phone(s), whatever's accumulated under the bed &c.

i mean i agree that 90% of people won't even look for a difference between headphone jack and lightning connector, much less notice one

below the age of 25 people lose or break headphones all the time (yes! anecdotal!) and you can bet they will lose dongles too. Would you buy $29 Apple earbuds or spend the same amount on Bluetooth buds? I know what my kids and their friends all think.

Apple might be a couple of years early on this (to my annoyance!) but I suspect they aren't far off.

Always confounds me that a lot of the big critics on ILM refuse to spend more than $100 on speakers

― 龜, Wednesday, September 21, 2016 3:25 AM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

always confounds me how fake and annoying u are

feel like it's a minor blessing the dongle is "only" $10

but yeah, feels like headphones have become disposable garbage products ppl expect to replace, a disappearing market like high end receivers and bookshelf speakers

there are more headphones to choose from than ever before. it's definitely easier to get a good pair than it used to be. there is maybe a lot more crap? but a lot of decent-to-good stuff out there, old standbys etc. the market for receivers and speakers isn't disappearing either. wired audio is not going anywhere anytime soon.

multiple xps I read that time machine had switched to smb in sierra, is that not the case?

. the market for receivers and speakers isn't disappearing either. wired audio is not going anywhere anytime soon.

That's what the consumer camera makers thought and they're fucked and all racing for the high end now.

OTM. Wired audio is disappearing rapidly.

Again, look at how often people below the age of 25 purchase wired audio...or compare the number of Bluetooth speakers vs. wired speakers purchased last year.

makes sense, the natural format of audio is flying through the air. why constrain it in these little wires longer than necessary?

Again, look at how often people below the age of 25 purchase wired audio...or compare the number of Bluetooth speakers vs. wired speakers purchased last year.

― Brevs Mekis (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:58 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Part of why this is slightly misleading is that you don't need to buy new wired speakers all the fucking time, which is the problem. I've already owned three portable bluetooth speakers and a 30-pin connector speaker in the amount of time I've had my wired speakers. Yes, from a business perspective that's great for the manufacturers, but it kind of sucks for consumers. The convenience of the portable bluetooth speakers (which in my case are like $50-80) is still a nice supplement to having better wired speakers, like if I just want to put something on quietly in the kitchen for my kids, but I would never shell out for expensive bluetooth speakers that I can't trust will still be usable in 5 years if the tech changes again. And for the same reason I'm really not interested in getting nice bluetooth headphones, not to speak of W1 headphones made by lolbeats.

And there is definitely a ceiling for the proliferation of expensive disposable tech. The watch is always going to be more of a specialty item than the phone, for example, unless they find a way to make it seem necessary, the way having a smartphone seems necessary today.

another reason that i am bummed about the headphone jack is that i plug in my phone to my wired receiver all the time

but yeah, feels like headphones have become disposable garbage products ppl expect to replace

It's actually been going the other way with headphones -- sales at the high end have been increasing for years now. I think that's one of the reasons there's been so much complaining about the loss of the headphone jack: lots of people have very expensive headphones that don't work directly with the iPhone anymore.

i'm saying if apple's going to replace something so ubiquitous it needs to meet expectations that the replacement won't be worse than what they had

Not to defend Apple, as I'm not happy with the missing jack either, but to be fair the adapter isn't "the replacement" -- wireless and Lightning are the replacement; I'm sure they consider the adapter a temporary bridge for people not ready to make the leap yet.

definitely curious to see what sales #'s are like -- preorders were apparently multiples of past years at certain carriers, but lines were short at stores.