Sunset Boulevard vs Mulholland Drive

oof tough choice

voted mulholland drive

I always have trouble deciding these things when you have one option that probably wouldn't exist without the other

I like Sunset Boulevard and I hate David Lynch, so Sunset Boulevard

Mulholland Drive gets better every time, while Nancy Olson and the more rancid parts of Holden's voice-over hurt my brain.

sunset blvd is fantastic but def mulholland drive

A pointless poll since ice cr?am officially ruled that old movies suck

there's like 10 wilders i like more than sunset but it still wins bcz mullholland drive is basically the most boring thing ever.

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I like Sunset Boulevard and I hate David Lynch, so Sunset Boulevard

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there's like 10 wilders i like more than sunset but it still wins bcz mullholland drive is basically the most boring thing ever.

OTM.

I am glad there are at least a few DL haters around, sometimes I feel like I'm the only one

Mulholland Dr is Lynch's best work, and maybe the best feature film made by an American in the '00s.

Sunset Blvd: a fun Hollywood vampire movie overrated by the feygelehs

I'm not going to go as far Morbs, but Mulholland Dr is really great and it gets my vote here.

conspicuously absent (not that it would get a vote)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FWXMGVPEL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

I wanted to love that movie, but....no.

yeah bad movie, sadly.

i had completely written off lynch until MD, it's good.

Having driven significant lengths of both of them within 24 hours, Mulholland, all day, every day.

Oh, god...Sunset Boulevard, to me, is maybe a bit overrated but pretty great anyway; Mulholland Drive is one the most self-parodic bits of claptrap I think I've ever seen (which I say as a big fan of Blue Velvet and much of Twin Peaks). It would never even occur to me to pair them in a poll, there's such a qualitative imbalance, although I can see where's a thematic connection.

also they are both named for streets in los angeles!

I like both of these, but SB is way better.

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A pointless poll since ice cr?am officially ruled that old movies suck

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morbs otm

sb by a hair

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morbs otm

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everyone should prob just go ahead and vote based on which street they prefer since this question has previously been answered by me

mulholland drive. love sunset boulevard, but mulholland drive is fucking incredible.

MD one of my favourite films. So that.

mulholland drive is a stunner. possibly my second favorite film ever. i love sunset blvd, but it doesn't compare.

is it time for me to ask ppl what they see in MD again?

it's so mysterious and confusing!

lesbo hate fucks?

MD one of my favourite films. So that.

Sunset Boulevard. MD is nice, but I was kinda disappointed when I realized it had the same plot as Lost Highway (except with the genders reversed, and some lesbian action), which was a superior movie.

You folks are killing me here...When I think of Mulholland Drive and Inland Empire (and Lost Highway, and Wild at Heart), two things come to mind: a portentous movie-trailer voiceover intoning "From the mind of David Lynch," and the Simpsons episode where a mesmerized Homer watches a Twin Peaks knock-off featuring a sheriff dancing with a cow, and he solemnly announces "Genius..."

I like them both, but Sunset Boulevard wins, if only for the "if the lady's paying, why not have the alpaca" moment.

hay everyone listen up - david lynch makes clemenza think of that time the simpsons made fun of david lynch - poll is null

Lost Highway is not superior to MD Tuomas you crazy

Yes, thank you for the translation--the poll is null. That's clearly what I was saying.

Inland Empire is better than both, but I may vote for the old one out of misguided duty.

Lost Highway is not superior to MD Tuomas you crazy

I would have thought they were sufficiently of a piece for it not to be a mark of madness to prefer one to the other.

lol lost highway is ass

it's basically a dry run for mullholland dr

i don't think it's ass but def. not as good

great zeitgeist-y cash-in soundtrack!

both are great,but because most ilxor's are between 20 to 40 years old - MD will win.

i think SB is also one of Lynch's top 5 favourite films ever.

I agree, if the average ilxor was 70 to 90 years old then SB in a landslide

xp

even from 50 something

ok,david lynch's favourite films,in this boring list of great movies:

8.5
sunset boulevard
Monsieur Hulot's Holiday
rear window.

Actually, in a way you have.

was originally going to go for "globes" but the Finnish translation had no umlauts

Amusingly lihamaapalloa would be translated as "meat earth" by google.

Meat Earth... from the Mind of David Lynch

This thread.

Q: Can the sun fall down to meat earth?
In: Astronomy, Planetary Science [Edit categories]

A: noe

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=jdh&q=lihaper%C3%A4pukamat&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

you guys, lol

congratulations, you googlewhacked ilx in finnish

SB.

MD is indeed a great film. But I have to vote for the Mother.
I like the topicality of SB, a cinematic assault in the waning years of the golden age. Wilder channelling the spirit of F.Scott Fitzgerald and Nathanael West. A product of the Hollywood studio machine, biting the hand that feeds it. A cathedral of ideas that are still being revised and revisited. It paved the way for for Chinatown, The Hudsucker Proxy, The Player, and Mulholland Drive. Truly one of the great collaborations in the studio system. Where would we be (in cinema) without it?

Which ideas are those?

I meant Barton Fink. Not Hudsucker Proxy. Sorry wrong Coen Brothers film.

The cathedral of ideas - Meta Hollywood, the Comeback, broken dreams, "It all started with a corpse" You know what I'm saying.

damnit, I thought an impassioned defense of the hudsucker proxy was impending

What ideas does Barton Fink engage with? I'm not being snarky. I don't find anti-Hollywood films a particularly fecund genre; they're fun and facile.

Hudsucker Proxy is a great, a comic symphony dedicated to the color brown

I'm not the right person to defend Hudsucker, and I wouldn't want to swerve from the SB vs. MD. I was just confused, and typed the wrong Coen Bros. title.

But Barton Fink engages, among many things, the meta- Hollywood Picture which SB is in spades. SB is THE MOVIE about the movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1s7EwOeowU&feature=related

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both are overrated imo (i voted MD)

I Sunset Boulevarded you for that.

Gloria excelled at physical comedy in her 20s!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cgPrGgujb4

o wow I just saw SB for the first time last night and the whole time thought how it reminded me of MD though I couldn't give any tangible reasons why; like there aren't really any plot similarities, they're just, kind of weird batshit movies set in Hollywood? I guess?

but I'm glad it's not just me

For me the thing that pushes sb into the lead is waxman's incredible score-- a stone masterpiece. Obv mulholland uses music very effectively too.

I wonder if there's anyone on ilx who would vote mulholland falls over mulholland drive?

Plot similarity = dead main character

this thread gets hilarious

Big book of finnish boob rules

I have to say it just occurred to me the other day how Adam Kesher in MD almost plays the viewer in the sense that he is like totally weirded out by how bizarre his circumstances are, partic w/ the Cowboy; he seems to echo the audience's sentiment of "what the fuck is going on here" when everyone else in the film is kind of acting like it's all normal

Does any other Lynch character sort of break the 4th wall in this regard?

Sunset Boulevard is fantastic. I've never seen Mulholland Drive.

SB is p terrific, but all the 'good girl' Nancy Olson stuff (cept maybe her first scene where she delivers the bad review of Joe's script) is unbearable. And Manny Farber pointed out the sledgehammer obviousness of the store clerk's "WELL, IF THE LADY IS PAYING" leer as a bad moment.

but you should see Wilder's Fedora when it gets unleashed on multi platforms next month -- a grimmer Hwood fairytale with a smarter Holden character.

had never heard of that til I saw you mention it on the other thread. the dubbing thing sounds pretty odd

that clerk looks like Thomas Dewey

but Fedora has no shots of Bill Holden emerging wet from swimming pool.

he appears briefly in tighty whities tho!

i think SB is also one of Lynch's top 5 favourite films ever.

― Zeno, Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:06 PM (4 years ago)

yeah, for sure. from an interview with Lynch in the book Lynch on Lynch (Lynch! Lynch!!!):

Q: I understand that you screened Sunset Boulevard for everyone before you began filming Eraserhead. Why that movie?

A: Sunset Boulevard is in my top five movies, for sure. But there wasn’t anything in particular about it that related to Eraserhead. It was just a black-and-white experience of a certain mood.

xp in 1978

not sure any other Golden Age star did so... even at sixty

^ RIP.

Morbs would be jovially disappointed in me for not ever having seen Sunset Blvd but I plan to remedy that in a couple of weeks - there's a 16mm print screening in Hackney.

Bill Holden? He’s been dead for…oh.

I second his recommendation of the film Fedora, not to be confused with the erstwhile restaurant of the same name. https://www.nycgo.com/articles/fedorable-slideshow

well i finally saw it, in a glorious (actually not glorious) 16mm reduction print, with optical sound track, at the Castle Cinema. actually the quality was not terrible. What a film. Holden's curdled rejection of love at the end was genuinely shocking to me. and Gloria Swanson, i mean what is there to say. I get it now. All the amazing lines, sure ("we didn't need dialogue then! we had FACES!") but she travels across the lines like a spirit animal, just amazing. probably the greatest single moment for me is when she stands up during the private screening of one of her own movies, with the light flickering across her face, she holds up a claw-like hand, i don't even remember what she was saying, but that image, the memory of cruel command, still lingering like an aftertaste, the light washing over her.. sheesh

Famous image, I think.

https://www.denofgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/sunset-boulevard-1950-wallpapers-2.jpg?resize=768%2C432

yes, that scene but there’s an eerier shot where it’s just her and the light is actually strobing over her as she speaks, and the effect is like a horror movie, like the bride of frankenstein or something

IIRC it's an "I'll show them all" moment as she's running up the Salome project.

she’d make such an incredible salome!!

Her Chaplin impersonation was first-rate too.

^^^^ favorite part of Waxman's score there, too

yeah, incredible. she had it down.

i DIED during her parasol bit. in a bathing costume, standing on a side table, twirling and twirling and jumping into bill holden's disgruntled lap. oh she was so happy.

i'm sure acres has been written on holden's cynicism - 'pictures that mean something? oh, that was last year' and you're rooting so hard for him to snap out of it that you're even rooting for him to steal his friend's girl. but he's too honorable for that - or too cynical? that you don't know where one stops and the other begins is part of the genius of the ending.

paris review interview with wilder re: SB here: https://cinephiliabeyond.org/sunset-boulevard-billy-wilder-charles-bracketts-sobering-exposure-dark-side-hollywood/

as well as an early script where the first scene would have been set in a morgue, with holden's 'spirit' conversing with the other corpses.