The "I am glad I am not Mackenzie Phillips" thread

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/22/mackenzie.phillips.oprah/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

o_O

um yeah, o_O about says it all

MacKensie Phillips doesn't live here any more.

http://www.femmusic.com/Interviews%202000/images/macphillips.jpg

This is it -- this is life, the one you get, so go and have a ball!

So Weird.

This is such a fucked up situation. I really don't know how the fuck you untangle this web of fuckedupness.

That is pretty much my exact reaction to reading that article.

I really don't know how the fuck you untangle this web of fuckedupness.

Writing a book about it usually does the trick.

Haha, if I were Chynna Phillips I would not even think about answering my phone today, because you just know someone's going to ask.

Tough enough to be daughter of junked-up hippy like John Phillips...but now this? Makes me so sad. There aren't words for that.

talk about a motherfucker with dark secrets
my god

i do wonder what michelle, chynna and bijou are doing today.

michelle in denial
http://showbiz411.blogs.thr.com/michelle-phillips-mackenzie-john-phillips-lying-incest/

i'm a bit torn by this, celebs have been known to make shit up to sell their tell-all autobigraphies, but lying about something like incest is proabably beyond the pale for even the worst kind of attention seeker. also, michelle has an interest in keeping up the legacy of the mamas & papas, so of course she's going to try to minimize the damage.

so michelle is her stepmother? who is mackenzie's birth mother?

phillips' first wife. michelle was #2 (trophy wife). third wife genevieve waite is the mother of bijou and his son (tamerlane?)

John's first wife, who he subsequently dumped because he just didn't want to be a married father anymore.

Chynna's already backing the story up, btw. http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/chynna-phillips-2009239

Chynna, 41, tells Us Weekly she remembers getting the call from Mackenzie, 49, in 1997 — 11 years after the affair had ended — while she was between flights at LaGuardia Airport in New York City.

"She said, 'I don't know why, but I just really felt the need to call you and tell you something that I think you need to know,'" Chynna tells Us Weekly. "And she went on to tell me that she had had an incestuous relationship with our dad for about 10 years."

kinda feel like if people didn't need to know about this while the guy was alive and could've been held accountable we sure as hell don't need to know about it 8 years after his death

Michelle sounds like a bitch, btw.

“Mackenzie is jealous of her siblings, who have accomplished a lot and did not become drug addicts.”

looks like there's at least one thing Mackenzie's siblings failed at

You can't convince me Bijou has never had a coke habit.

i've got no problem with this coming out now, assuming it's true, especially if getting it out there will help her exorcise some fucked-up demons.

yeah. This is not good for anyone.

i will say that being a raging addict for decades does give me pause wrt her truthfulness, which is fucked up because she's probably telling the truth, or some version of it, but junkies are the most lyingest people ever so there will always be a little doubt

i can see her telling family members, like chyna who she apparently told 10 years ago, but i don't see how telling everybody and making it a media circus exorcises any demons

I'm not against her trying to make some $$ of off defaming the legacy of a drugged-out creep (and I have every reason to believe it's mostly the truth).

i neither disbelieve her nor begrudge her for getting that tell-all money. i just have a futile wish to not know all the grossest secrets of every celebrity i'd never give a second thought to otherwise.

i feel sad because it seems like mackenzie feels like this is all she has to offer: the sordid details of her horrible life. sad.

huh had no idea dude was dead

good riddance?

ha... ho?

i don't have any problem with her telling the story -- it's her life. if i was her therapist or drug counselor, i'd be more than a little worried about a.) the psychological effects of telling the whole world you were in an incestuous relationship; b.) the tendency for a lifelong junkie to drown those effects in opiates; and c.) the sudden influx of cash likely to be produced by a scandalous book promoted on oprah. seems like a bad combination. but. it's her life.

Michelle's the only band member still alive, right? xxxp

yes

It makes me simultaneously sad and happy that, Howard Stern-like, I thought, "Dude has two hot daughters like Chynna and Bijou and he sleeps w/Mackenzie?"

guilty lols

Shitty, man.

thing is, maybe he tried
fucker

I've been thinking about that too. He had what, four daughters? God this story creeps me out so much.

Somehow I missed this part of the story from earlier accounts:

In an interview with chat show host Oprah Winfrey that aired on Wednesday, Mackenzie Phillips said that late in her relationship with her father, she became pregnant and suspected that he might be the unborn baby's dad.

What a horrible story.

WTF

Incest / sex abusers more often than not go for the one who is a little less "pretty" by conventional standards.

maybe schneider was the father

Lotsa sad vid on the oprah site, including hits like "blood on the ceiling" and "there's a buckle on my underwear"

junkies are the most lyingest people ever
also the most-likely-to-have-been-sexually-abused-by-their-parents people ever

I'm glad I have not been "invested" in that band since Cass died.

I can't disagree with her methods because, well, she's lived an entirely different life: in the spotlight. That's what celebrities (and kids of..) do, they are brought up this way. Have a problem? Well, throw it out there. And I guess having to live with such an ugly fucked up experience and having to lie about this, hide it all these years, must fuck ypu up even more. Maybe telling it to the world gives some catharsis. Why not tell the world what a perverted asshole he was. She has little to feel guilty about. Go woman! I hope you find some happiness, cause taking drugs and fucking your dad is just plain sad.

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Bijou Phillips supplied a statement to Winfrey stating that Mackenzie told her about the incestuous relationship with their father when Bijou was 13 but later denied it.

"This news was confusing and also scary, because I'd lived alone with him since I was 3," she said. "[John Phillips] was Mr. Mom, loving and encouraging; the man who raised me would never be capable of such things."

She also questioned why Mackenzie would leave her alone with their father if he'd molested the elder sister.

Still, Bijou Phillips showed signs of measured support.

"I understand Mackenzie's need to come clean, but it hurts because the man in question isn't here to defend himself," she said. "I hope she can come to terms with this and find peace."

Mackenzie Phillips told Winfrey that her family's disbelief and anger saddened her, especially since she and Bijou Phillips have been very close. Phillips recalled the way Bijou immediately came to her aid when she was arrested last year for cocaine and heroin possession.

"I love my baby sister, and I miss having contact with her," Mackenzie said.

"By the time Bijou was living with my father, I felt she was safe. I did take her out of there if I felt like she wasn't being watched properly," she said in her defense.

Phillips Blames Mackenzie For Ruining Her Life

Actress Bijou Phillips has blamed her half-sister Mackenzie for ruining her relationship with their father John.

Mackenzie shocked fans by detailing her 10-year sexual affair with The Mamas & The Papas singer in a new memoir, High on Arrival - and she made headlines last week when she sat down with Oprah Winfrey to talk about the scandal.

But Bijou, John's youngest child, has admitted Mackenzie told her about the alleged romance years ago - and it had a devastating effect on her teenage years, stripping her of her innocence and leaving her wary of her father.

The 29 year old insists it took her years to repair her relationship with the California Dreamin' hitmaker after hearing about the rape allegations.

In a series of messages posted on her Twitter page, Bijou writes, "Exploiting the history of our family and the death of our father John Phillips for the release of a book is disgusting. Allegations of sexual abuse are not only hurtful, but malicious when he is not here to defend himself.

"When I was young my sister told me about this - it ruined my life and my relationship with my father. Up till that point, I was a normal kid. I got good grades, loved my horse, was pretty innocent. I moved out to NYC at 13. Started doing drugs, did not talk to my Dad anymore... I was deeply f**ked up. I'm 29 now, I've talked to everyone who was around during that time, I've asked the hard questions. I do not believe my sister. Our father is many things, this is not one of them. My dad and I made up when I was 20, a year before he died. I'm sad I lost those years with him, and I lost those years at home."

John Phillips died of heart failure in 2001, aged 65.

Up till that point, I was a normal kid. I got good grades, loved my horse, was pretty innocent.

I moved out to NYC at 13. Started doing drugs

polanski bait

WTF I thought Bijou had previously talked about her own damaged relationship with John, and never mentioned Mackenzie had anything to do with it even once. She's just engaging in a little celebrity self-preservation right now.

If she didnt believe her sister why's she saying this ruined her relationship with her dad because she was wary of him/didnt trust him when she found out about the incest?

festen otm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imDBK1gW3gI

that movie was one of the better dogme films

"If she didnt believe her sister why's she saying this ruined her relationship with her dad because she was wary of him/didnt trust him when she found out about the incest?"

It's perfectly possible to not believe and have a ruined relationship. Once a seed of doubt has been planted, it's difficult to get rid of it and act as though everything is normal. (Normal being a very strange word; even without the incest, this was a fucked up family.) Personally I... am not saying it isn't true, but I prefer to doubt. It's just so "out there", so deprived, that I prefer to remain naive and not "buy it". But still, if it is indeed true, what an entirely fucked up situation. Not only for the person in question but everyone around it.

sounds like she believed it at first then changed her mind years later

After detailing her 10-year sexual relationship with her father in the 2009 tell-all "High on Arrival," Mackenzie Phillips says she has been abandoned by her famous family.

Mackenzie, whose dad was rock legend John Phillips of the Mamas and the Papas, told the "Today" show's Meredith Vieira that she has encountered a dramatic backlash since telling her story, including being cut off by her former step-mom Michelle Phillips and her step-sisters, singer Chynna and actress Bijou.

"They've all known about it for years, so the family members that come forward and say this isn't true and she's crazy are a textbook case of the way a family reacts to incest within the family," Mackenzie said on "Today" Tuesday morning. "It's been really hard. It's been really hard to not have my sisters and my brothers and my 'wicked ex-stepmother,' with whom I've been really close over the years. But to have them basically just say, 'That's it! We're done with you…'"

Michelle, who was a member of the Mamas and the Papas and was married to John from 1962-1970, has denied Mackenzie's claims, chalking them up to her many years of drug abuse.

"After 35 years with a needle up her arm (including several months while she was pregnant) it's difficult to believe much of her story," Michelle said in a statement. "She has hurt everyone in her family tremendously and apparently feels no guilt or shame in doing it or even how she decided to deal with her… um … memories."

Mackenzie's response?

"Aww Mich. Again, maybe I'm naïve, but I'm an eternal optimist and I certainly didn't expect such vitriol from someone who's expected and thought of as such a classy woman," she told Vieira.

Despite being kept at a distance from her family, the former "One Day at a Time" star has no regrets about sharing her story of survival.

"If I had written it while he was alive, people would have said why didn't you wait until he was dead," she says of the book, which is now out in paperback. "It is my story. I went out of my way not to tell Michelle's story. Or Chynna's. Or Bijou's. Or anybody else's but my own. And now they're still trying to tell stories about me… I love my family. I sit here with open arms, hoping they'll come back into my life.

chalking them up to her many years of drug abuse

Is it just me, or is it mighty damn cold in here all of a sudden?