...and it'll just get longer still if we don't stop it now.
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 04:44 (2 months ago) Permalink
The last thread should be preserved behind glass.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 05:02 (2 months ago) Permalink
Anyone in the UK finding the second episode of the new series anywhere yet? Getting the shakes waiting for it.
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 13:52 (2 months ago) Permalink
Never mind, talk on the UK thread about it!
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 13:53 (2 months ago) Permalink
Encased in sarin fumes.
― kill puppies when the kicking stops (Nicole), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 13:56 (2 months ago) Permalink
Good ep. Random thoughts: Peggy's confidence and air of authority has sky-rocketed between seasons 2 and 3. Great work from Moss. I haven't quite sussed the maypole scene yet, but it was a powerful moment all the same. I don't think I ever want to see Bye Bye Birdy if the opening sequence is anything to go by.
― chap, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 14:53 (2 months ago) Permalink
Oh yeah, very minor point, but where was the place where Peggy and the guy were fooling around supposed to be, if he didn't live 'just round the corner'? His parents' place or something?
― chap, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 14:56 (2 months ago) Permalink
i love peggy.
― cutty, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 15:08 (2 months ago) Permalink
not in the same way i love betty, though.
where was the place where Peggy and the guy were fooling around supposed to be, if he didn't live 'just round the corner'? His parents' place or something?
I was confused by this, too, but someone somewhere suggested that he did in fact live around the corner and that his buddies were just trying to give him an out by asking if he needed cab fare.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 15:11 (2 months ago) Permalink
Ah, that might make sense. I didn't get that exchange at all.
― repeating cycles of smoking and cruelty (Michael White), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 15:11 (2 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, that's how I understood it.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 15:25 (2 months ago) Permalink
lol @ Jared Harris's wife complaining about NYC at every opportunity.
Did anyone notice the abruptness of a couple of the commercial breaks in this episode? Mostly in scenes involving Peggy. Really got on my nerves for some reason.
― mayor jingleberries, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 20:01 (2 months ago) Permalink
They were v. jarring.
― kill puppies when the kicking stops (Nicole), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 20:06 (2 months ago) Permalink
i thought the barroom exchange was peggy is for-real city-workin' high-flier whereas young guy is just a dumb college kid living in the ass end of nowhere maybe with his folks. but maybe that's wrong.
― peter falk's panther burns (schlump), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 20:06 (2 months ago) Permalink
sunglasses were great. rilly iconic.
― s.clover, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 21:08 (2 months ago) Permalink
isn't the maypole scene supposed to be similar to the bye bye birdy thing, eg grown woman appearing like a child?
I figured with Peggy and Michael J Fox's father they just went back to his via cab or whatever, his dumb ruse having been blown by his buddies.
― I for one welcome this new Nazi ILX (Local Garda), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 21:27 (2 months ago) Permalink
Michael J Fox's father
Is this a Crispin Glover reference?
― jaymc, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 21:33 (2 months ago) Permalink
otm
― I for one welcome this new Nazi ILX (Local Garda), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 21:35 (2 months ago) Permalink
The date of Roger's daughter's wedding answers the question of whether they're going to dodge the JFK assassination issue ...
― Alba, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 21:37 (2 months ago) Permalink
It shows how little I analyse this programme because I just automatically assumed it meant Don was planning to fuck the maypole girl.
― Tuncay Stryder (Matt DC), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 22:36 (2 months ago) Permalink
Also that was some hardcore smoking during pregnancy from Betty.
and wine drinking!
― go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 22:54 (2 months ago) Permalink
favorite line: "You're not fat anymore."
― ian, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 23:35 (2 months ago) Permalink
That whole exchange was brilliant: Peggy briskly and dismissively saying 'thank you', than Sal rolling his eyes.
― chap, Tuesday, 25 August 2009 23:41 (2 months ago) Permalink
Peggy's weird mixture of surprise, shock, and professional resolve was awesome to behold
― go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 23:50 (2 months ago) Permalink
A great Peggy episode. Is Roger going to completely self-destruct before this season is through?
I don't think I ever want to see Bye Bye Birdy if the opening sequence is anything to go by.
Good god yes. I couldn't believe this was a real thing for a while, rather than some artfully made up attempt by the Mad Men people to create a truly cringe-worthy bit of retro.
― When two tribes go to war, he always gets picked last (James Morrison), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 00:35 (2 months ago) Permalink
i thought the bar thing was the guys saying "hey don't you live right around the corner?" as a way to bring up the fact that he lives around the corner like "nudge nudge, that's right you can take her home, go for it buddy!"
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 00:58 (2 months ago) Permalink
bye bye birdie is fricken awesome u fags
― cutty, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 01:12 (2 months ago) Permalink
i thought his buds were giving him an escape route if he wanted to bail
― NYC in Alex (hmmmm), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 01:18 (2 months ago) Permalink
I would def. watch Bye Bye Birdie. There was a thing on PBS last night called something like Hollywood: Singing and Dancing, and it basically made me want to rent all the old movie musicals. Watching the Bye Bye Birdie clip on Mad Men at least made me long to hear "Kids" ("what the fuck is wrong with those kids today, doo-doo-dah-doo-doo-doo")."
― jaymc, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 03:59 (2 months ago) Permalink
The Bye Bye Birdie sequence's sex appeal is pretty plain even now, but no, it's not a good movie.
― if I don't see more dissent, I'm going to have to check myself in (Matos W.K.), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 05:10 (2 months ago) Permalink
Fave line: "I was hoping he'd eaten her."
― if I don't see more dissent, I'm going to have to check myself in (Matos W.K.), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 05:11 (2 months ago) Permalink
sorry if this was mentioned already but Don's farm roots + hippie girlfriend Midge + trip to L.A. + the way he fondled the grass = major transition already set in motion, as if Weiner wants him to stand in for the decade itself. As long as the writers don't make him grow his hair out I'm cool with it. Would love to see him drop acid, except he'd probably just have more meaningful flashbacks of his family.
― Cosmo Vitelli, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 05:31 (2 months ago) Permalink
loved that the diet drink could be a substitute for 'coffee, or dexedrine'
― just sayin, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 08:08 (2 months ago) Permalink
Peggy's "yeah but this appeals to men not women" vs Don's "you know how it works" was my favourite moment of the episode. Peggy's ahead of the curve here and at some point there's going to be an awesome face-off between the two of them.
I can never work out what Don is thinking when he's sitting across the table from Roger. Is he actually seeing his future self and thinking "oh fuck"?
― Tuncay Stryder (Matt DC), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 08:34 (2 months ago) Permalink
i hope not. roger is an aging spoiled rich kid with marginal talent for his job -- if anyone's gonna turn into him it's pete campbell.
― sally draper (get bent), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 09:16 (2 months ago) Permalink
When Roger was mouthing off about his marital woes in this episode, Don didn't give anything back at all. He just said "I'm sorry to hear that" and "Well, you said it". I liked it in the gambling den in the last season, when they were drunk enough that Roger could goad some kind of personal response out of him.
The exchange this week was a nice counterpoint to Don cutting down Lane Pryce talking shop at dinner with "The ladies don't want to hear about that". Don has such a firm sense of what should and shouldn't be said.
Further to what's been said above, I'm starting to subscribe to the view expressed by someone in the other thread that there are signs of Don gradually losing his touch when to advertising. Peggy's surprise that he hadn't seen Bye Bye Birdie - "But you see everything!"
Ann-Margret did sound awful in that film clip, but she was sometimes much better...
― Alba, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 19:07 (2 months ago) Permalink
I was also surprised by the flashes of bitterness on Peggy's part, dropping that "the guy I work for is such a jerk" line for ex
― go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 19:38 (2 months ago) Permalink
I mean Don IS a jerk, but he's had a weird symbiotic relationship with Peggy up to this point, both of them using each other to advance themselves
― go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 19:39 (2 months ago) Permalink
I didn't take that line very seriously. I thought that was just part of the easy patter she fed that guy after he assumed he was a typist.
― Alba, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 19:43 (2 months ago) Permalink
yea i agree
― just sayin, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 19:45 (2 months ago) Permalink
I didn't take it too seriously either but she probably meant it, at least partly ... part of why she went to the bar was to blow off steam after Don cut her down
― dmr, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 19:51 (2 months ago) Permalink
I watch the first season tonight. I've only barely breathed the mephitic fumes of the first thread.
― post-contrarian meta-challop 2009 (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 19:57 (2 months ago) Permalink
a whole season in one night?
― go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:00 (2 months ago) Permalink
I wonder how many episodes before Betty's dad does end up in an old folks home. McCain look-alike geezer + new baby is going to spell disaster for Bett's equanimity. Also, I can't believe Joan went ahead and married that creep. (but can also understand completely - I mean, he's a doctor! And, so embarrassing to call of a wedding!) But maybe he'll get drafted.
― Jaq, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:20 (2 months ago) Permalink
I am worried that the father is going to do something creepy and horrible to one of the kids or Betty before he ends up at that old folks home.
― kill puppies when the kicking stops (Nicole), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:22 (2 months ago) Permalink
oh right didn't he grab Betty's boobs in a previous episode or something...?
― go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:24 (2 months ago) Permalink
"now that you've fed me, why don't we go upstairs"
― mizzell, Wednesday, 26 August 2009 20:28 (2 months ago) Permalink
"but he has the distinct disadvantage of also being stupider than everyone else"
Also I don't think this is true.
― We call them "meat hemorrhoids" (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:25 (1 week ago) Permalink
uh how did harry show a flicker for remorse for cheating on his wife?
also am I the only one who really liked grandpa gene? he and sally should have had their own gd show for fuck's sake. he's like a combo of john mccain and my dad.
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:27 (1 week ago) Permalink
Alex please come up with some redeeming qualities of your friend Crane. And also I do not think he provides a single moment of comedic relief. He provides annoyance only.
Eleven favoritist characters in terms of sheer scene enjoyment:
JoanDonRogerRoger's young bitchy wife (possibly because of how much I enjoy watching her interact with Roger/Joan) and Roger's awesome former wifePeggyPeteCurt & SmittyBertBettyLanePaul
Five biggest jerks:
Still Pete @ #1Joan's husbandBritish dude who was in that sitcom with Fran Drescher I thinkOther british dude who wasn'tMoneypenny
― We call them "meat hemorrhoids" (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:31 (1 week ago) Permalink
"Alex please come up with some redeeming qualities of your friend Crane."
I find his general cluelessness amusing. I'm not defending his intelligence btw, I just think plenty of other characters have demonstrated they are just as dumb.
― We call them "meat hemorrhoids" (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:33 (1 week ago) Permalink
"also am I the only one who really liked grandpa gene?"
I was glad he died. They got all the mileage they could out of that old coot.
― We call them "meat hemorrhoids" (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:34 (1 week ago) Permalink
harry figured out tv
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:34 (1 week ago) Permalink
i think mandee hates harry because he is the mad man most similar to her
― max, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:35 (1 week ago) Permalink
lol
― cutty, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:37 (1 week ago) Permalink
I think the degree to which Harry "figured out" TV is debatable - didn't his designation as head of media come as a surprise to him? And his own description of how he made up his job was that he just looked around and noticed every other ad agency except them had a TV dept?
― squarefair (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:51 (1 week ago) Permalink
I get a kick out of seeing Grandpa Gene in the Kayak.com commercial.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:54 (1 week ago) Permalink
btw harry is actually frasier's dad
― luol deng (am0n), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:54 (1 week ago) Permalink
"And his own description of how he made up his job was that he just looked around and noticed every other ad agency except them had a TV dept?"
You don't think this is figuring something out?
― We call them "meat hemorrhoids" (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:54 (1 week ago) Permalink
wtf how could people hate harry
― nice email (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:56 (1 week ago) Permalink
how could emotions be developed about a pretty benign character w/ like 5 mins of screen time
― nice email (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:57 (1 week ago) Permalink
unless harry is actually the polar bear
― nice email (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:58 (1 week ago) Permalink
I hate him for basically fucking over Sal, for one thing
― squarefair (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 20:04 (1 week ago) Permalink
He pretty accidently fucked over Sal, I'd say.
― We call them "meat hemorrhoids" (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 20:08 (1 week ago) Permalink
is idiocy an accident
― squarefair (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 20:10 (1 week ago) Permalink
In this case, yes.
― We call them "meat hemorrhoids" (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 20:17 (1 week ago) Permalink
yarg guys there is a new mad men thread, go post on it
― the tamiflu show (get bent), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 20:36 (1 week ago) Permalink
it's for season 4 tho!
― tehresa, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 20:38 (1 week ago) Permalink
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2009/11/the_one-liners_of_mad_mens_rog.html
― l'homme moderne: il forniquait et lisait des journaux (Michael White), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 20:56 (1 week ago) Permalink
Some thoughts on the finale;Joan's involvement was fantastic, and as people have already said - her sorting everything out, and the whole group getting back together in general - just felt exciting. Mad Men rarely has plot driven episodes; by nature of the character driven programme that is, and this episode had a huge plot change and drive, and so in contrast to how the show normally plays out, was incredibly exciting.
I too forgot about Pete's rape incident, which is a shame because this episode was the first time in a while he's seemed like more than a wet blanket. The scene where the British guy got himself fired was absoultely fantastic.
It annoys me a little Don's flashbacks - only because they aren't consistent throughout Mad Men; they've only come about recently, and his history has been much more interesting to discover when he's had a scene explaining it to someone else; his opening up to the teacher/the original don draper's wife/other women he's had affairs with, makes for great watching and it seems so real, not to mention considerably worsens his Betty cheating, because he's never been able to tell her. So yeah, these flashbacks just seem weak.
I'd love to think Don would get Sally and possibly the other kids, but at least Sally, because otherwise her upbringing will just get even worse. Sally hit the nail on the head when she said "Are you making him go?" Its a childlike response, but so accurate it was charming.
Finally, for now, there was a split second this episode where Betty, for the first time in a long time, looked genuinely upset, rather than upset and angry, or just angry etc.When Don said "I'm not going to fight you Betts" and her face contorted as she grimmaced, before composing herself moments later, it was a rare glimpse and it was one of the few times I've remember she is human to.
But this episode was all about Joan and Roger, (though seperately).
― Josh L, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 01:45 (1 week ago) Permalink
Some background info on the real-life McCann-Erickson - http://www.theawl.com/2009/11/footnotes-of-mad-men-goodbye-all-our-pretty-horses
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 03:31 (1 week ago) Permalink
omg max lol
― fel (latebloomer), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 03:38 (1 week ago) Permalink
I can't possibly hate Harry since I went to college with the actor who plays him. I'm still hoping his character does something radical like engage in a one-nighter with Sal or something.
― cough syrup in coke cans (Eric H.), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 04:02 (1 week ago) Permalink
did you all notice betty draper's genuine smile in the second-to-last episode? it was amazing
I might be the only betty fan.
― homosexual II, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 04:07 (1 week ago) Permalink
I have worked for a McC&nn Er!ckson agency and I can say that they still do that, actually (what the article described).
One of my clients was DISH network and a smaller agency under the same M/E Umbrella had Direct TV.
― homosexual II, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 04:11 (1 week ago) Permalink
but these were below the line boutique shops so I dunno if it matters much
new york geekery: anyone know what street this is? looks too real to be a soundstage.
― the tamiflu show (get bent), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 05:57 (1 week ago) Permalink
yeah, in fact I mentioned to my wife that it was the ONLY time I remember ever seeing her smile.
― akm, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 06:04 (1 week ago) Permalink
January Jones was on Fallon just now. I don't much like her in real life either.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 06:11 (1 week ago) Permalink
I too forgot about Pete's rape incident
So did I, I think?
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 10:21 (1 week ago) Permalink
still always confounds me that he was that little shit connor on angel. basically everything says i should hate him, and i do, but sometimes i also kind of like him. and then i feel bad for liking him and it just adds to the hate. /ramble
― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 10:54 (1 week ago) Permalink
sorry - what does below the line mean?
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 13:57 (1 week ago) Permalink
Below-the-line is generally speaking marketing that doesn't involve buying media, as opposed to eg advertising which is above-the-line.
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 14:46 (1 week ago) Permalink
what Matt said
― homosexual II, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 16:07 (1 week ago) Permalink
He showed nothing but remorse from the moment he woke up post-tryst with broken glasses, and all throughout the next episode when he was kicked out & forced to sleep at the office. He fled from Don's sentimental Kodak Carousel presentation in tears. And how did his wife even find out about him sleeping with Hildy unless he volunteered the info out of guilt?
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 16:58 (1 week ago) Permalink
I don't think this show is watched by half the people who post on this thred
― Meatcat (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 17:26 (1 week ago) Permalink
I actually do watch it and I love it, I just forgot about that incident from Season 1 since I haven't revisited in a while.
Thanks for clarifying!
― homosexual II, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 19:43 (1 week ago) Permalink
Finally saw the finale...an unusually satisfying episode. Glad to see the whole gang together.
― musically, Thursday, 12 November 2009 01:06 (1 week ago) Permalink
I've loved Harry ever since he confronted Bert's Rothko. Others would conceal their bafflement, for one thing.
― B'wana Beast, Thursday, 12 November 2009 02:40 (1 week ago) Permalink
totally forgot abt hornball harry ala season 1
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 12 November 2009 16:16 (1 week ago) Permalink
he was trying to fit in with the cool kids and got carried away :(
― tehresa, Thursday, 12 November 2009 17:26 (1 week ago) Permalink
thatll happen
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 12 November 2009 17:27 (1 week ago) Permalink
http://www.fancast.com/blogs/mad-men/scoop-mad-man-suspected-of-criminal-intent/
― señor wig day (get bent), Thursday, 12 November 2009 18:38 (1 week ago) Permalink
what could a woman possibly know about milk
― hoth as fuck (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 November 2009 19:16 (1 week ago) Permalink
hahaha
― fel (latebloomer), Thursday, 12 November 2009 21:32 (1 week ago) Permalink
ha! that preview-style editing is hilarious
― Darin, Thursday, 12 November 2009 23:11 (1 week ago) Permalink