The Hobbit films, previously to be directed by Guillermo del Toro and now to be directed by Peter Jackson again.

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Oddly enough there didn't seem to be an actual thread for these yet, so.

Peter Jackson at Comic-Con -- script for first film near completion, budgeting and casting to follow. Films due in 2011 and 2012.

I've read somewhere that Mike Mignola will be joining the general design team, along with the usual WETA suspects plus Alan Lee and John Howe again.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 00:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

hellboy/blade 2 director guillermo del toro is directing the hobbit movies under the watchful eye of peter jackson

won't be catching these then.

Bobkate Goldtwat (darraghmac), Saturday, 25 July 2009 00:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

although they will look fantastic, there's little doubt of that.

Bobkate Goldtwat (darraghmac), Saturday, 25 July 2009 00:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

I will definitely watch them.

chap, Saturday, 25 July 2009 00:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

If only to to offset darraghmac's non-watching policy

chap, Saturday, 25 July 2009 00:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'll definitely be seeing these, but I don't get why they need the 2 film treatment.

Moodles, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

Supposedly the first one is the Hobbit story and the second film will take place in the interim between Hobbit and Fellowship. Could be good.

I have more faith in the Hellboy guy than the King Kong guy, for what it's worth.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

Supposedly the first one is the Hobbit story and the second film will take place in the interim between Hobbit and Fellowship. Could be good.

What, so they're just making things up now? Tolkien franchise? Sounds crass. If it's not based on a book then wtf is it?

fields of salmon, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

Supposedly the first one is the Hobbit story and the second film will take place in the interim between Hobbit and Fellowship.

That was an original plan but no longer -- as noted in the link above:

“There was talk about doing ‘The Hobbit’ as one movie and making an ‘Hobbit,’ and ‘Lord of the Rings,’ bridge movie. We didn’t really know ourselves but as we worked through the story line we thought ‘Well obviously we could squeeze ‘The Hobbit’ into one movie, but In a three hour movie you would be amazed at how much of the story you would have to lose.”

“The book, well the book is what the book is and we just worked through a process and included all the events that we we would like to see in the film, plus the fact that we wanted to embellish a few things and put a little extra narrative that includes Gandalf and what he was doing with the Necromancer and various side stories that are happening. So we decided really that the two movies we are doing would actually would be ‘The Hobbit.’ ”

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

the first one is the Hobbit story and the second film will take place in the interim between Hobbit and Fellowship. Could be good.

Not sure how the first sentence and the second one work together.

General Pubic (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

*cough* Um, my post? Just now?

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

Frankly if they can drop Tom Bombadil from the LotR movies but fit that were-bear twat into the prequels then fuck them even more than I already wanna fuck 'em.

General Pubic (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

I guess I just am comfortable with the fact that I read these books decades ago. So if someone wants to make a spectacular $200million fantasy film based on these properties, I'll gladly get high and watch them.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sorry Ned. We crossed posts. Thanks for the illumination.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Well obviously we could squeeze ‘The Hobbit’ into one movie, but In a three hour movie you would be amazed at how much of the story you would have to lose.”

Slightly heartening news, but not very heartening.

fields of salmon, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

x-post -- No worries etc.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

Really, all I want is for WETA and company to do the best dragon EVER on screen. I have a feeling they will.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

Everyone who clicks on this thread will pay to see this movie. Quit frontin youse nerds!

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

Not everybody, I can guarantee.

General Pubic (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

We had a discussion about D-Wars vs Reign of Fire last night (while watching the intolerably boring Sky Crawlers). I really enjoyed Dragon Wars, while Reign of Fire was hugely disappointing (88 minutes of dudes flexing, 2 minutes of dragons. WTF!).

So yeah--an epic SMAUG would be really timely.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

So if they split it in two, wheredo they put the break? When Gandalf leaves them before Mirkwood, or at the end of the barrel riders?

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

Leaving 'em before Mirkwood makes for a perfect cliffhanger as such, so probably that.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

They could base it on the adventure game and leave them stuck in the Misty Mountains forever.

General Pubic (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

Fleeing the Goblins with assist from the Eagles could be an epic ending.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

It just depends if they want to spend an hour on the Battle of Five Armies or not.

Part of me doesn't want this to happen because I love the Rankin Bass version, warts and all. Plus, the voice of Smaug in that still gives me shivers. Plus, "Theodore".

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

I hope they keep the song "15 birds, in 5 fir trees, their feathers were burned, in the fiery breeze..." I could go on and on.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

Awesome Nate!

I can (and do) quote this movie all the time (and sing the songs). I've watched it every Christmas morning for the last 20-some years.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

Not the right movie, but I was once in a band that did a cover of "Where There's A Whip."

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

We had a discussion about D-Wars vs Reign of Fire last night

where does dragonslayer fit into this

鬼の手 (Edward III), Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

Saw Dragonslayer at the cinema when it came out. As a 12 year-old felt a bit cheated cos it was 90 minutes of build-up and 5 minutes of dragon-slaying action, but the gore was cool when it finally happened.

General Pubic (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

d-wars is the most utter garbage!!!!!!! def watched reign of fire a lot as a kid. maybe four or five times.

ian, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

Hey at least D-Wars has dragons in it. Reign of Fire is a bullshit tease. Could have been the best movie ever if they'd done it right. What a premise!

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Where There's a Whip, There's a Way" -- great song! Great lyric!

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

xx-post - Dragonslayer - yawn. There is a boob shot though, right?

I do like the dragon from Fritz Lang's Siegfried though. An oft-overlooked fantasy classic!

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

(actual dragon fight takes place about 4:20 in that clip btw).

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh I've wanted a DVD of Nibelungen for years. Think there's a bunch of sub-Wagner mythology movies from the 10s and 20s, yeah?

General Pubic (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah this is the only one I've seen. Really awesome. This is by no means the best part.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

I had the idea that Eureka! had put out Lang's "Die Nibelungen" on DVD, but I can't find any ref to it whatsoever on their site. Kino do a 2DVD vers of it (which I got to admit I haven't got -I watched it on youtube :-/ ). The dragon is great! Best bits for me are the scenes in the primordial forest, which IIRC they built the sets for in an old Zeppelin hangar. Amazing visuals, throughout. Pt1 here:

f1f0 (Pashmina), Saturday, 25 July 2009 10:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

Just looked. Was confused in my inebriated state last night cos Amazon have the Kino release as a US import, but it seems to be Region 2.

General Pubic (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 July 2009 10:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

Hey at least D-Wars has dragons in it. Reign of Fire is a bullshit tease. Could have been the best movie ever if they'd done it right. What a premise!

― Nate Carson, Saturday, July 25, 2009 2:41 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Matthew McConaughey is pretty hilarious in it as the crazed baqld dragon-hunter from America

Panera - Vulgar Display Of Flour (latebloomer), Saturday, 25 July 2009 11:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

er that should be "bald"

Panera - Vulgar Display Of Flour (latebloomer), Saturday, 25 July 2009 11:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

hellboy/blade 2 director guillermo del toro is directing the hobbit movies under the watchful eye of peter jackson

won't be catching these then.

um, why? I think it's important to remember del toro is also (and more relevantly) the director of the devil's backbone and pan's labyrinth.

akm, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

you say "director of pan's labyrinth" like thats a good thing...

the stain specialist (Viceroy), Saturday, 25 July 2009 20:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

I hope the vid game they make of this just involves floating in a darkened barrel.

bad-boy cartographer (Abbott), Saturday, 25 July 2009 20:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

...in your barrel, smelling your apples.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 20:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

we wanted to embellish a few things and put a little extra narrative that includes Gandalf and what he was doing with the Necromancer

stop it!

JimD, Saturday, 25 July 2009 23:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

Having a torrid affair with the Necromancer

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 23:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

Heh, yeah. I just think that it's important to the atmosphere of The Hobbit that when Gandalf disappears for big chunks of it, you don't really know where he's gone, or why, or whether he'll come back. I think filling in those gaps can only hurt the story.

(Although I've not read it for 20 years, I may be remembering wrongly - maybe he does explain all that stuff really).

JimD, Saturday, 25 July 2009 23:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

Betcha Middle-Earth has a magical creature with eyes in its hands that we won't have known about until this movie comes out.

Beanbag the Gardener (WmC), Saturday, 25 July 2009 23:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

No doubt the number of people that have read (or probably re-read, or re-re-re-read) the books because of these movies vs. the number of people who never would have anyways is probably in JRR's favor. Also every new movie that comes out you get to say "You crooks bastardized this wonderful thing!" thereby enhancing the brand of the books and the movies at the same time.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 6 January 2014 19:04 (10 months ago) Permalink

i'm sure christopher's doing fine, but the tolkien estate doesn't get any money from any of these movies.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 6 January 2014 19:07 (10 months ago) Permalink

they do now. After some lengthy lawsuits

Number None, Monday, 6 January 2014 19:34 (10 months ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

Finally saw this -- I agree with Tuomas upthread about the greys and browns, Laketown was dreary as all getout, got kinda bored with that whole thing tbh.

Smaug was beautiful. Loved the way his belly would glow like a furnace right before he'd breath fire, he moved so gracefully it was a real thrill to watch him.

The thing the Hobbit movies really miss though is the inner monologue of Bilbo...that's what makes the story on paper, it's as much about what happens externally as it is the constant doubt and shifting within Bilbo, even as he's discovering his courage. But I know there's not really a good way to capture that on film, unless you have like constant narration or something bollocks like that. But it does turn the movies into a bit of a different kettle of fish all the same

Or barrel of fish, hee hee :)

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 11 May 2014 00:29 (6 months ago) Permalink

oh and I was weirded out by Legolas' eyes too and I did some googling

apparently the contacts that Ornaldo Bloomps had to wear in the 3 movies irritated the hell out of his eyes and he hated wearing them, so for the Hobbit they digitally colored them in post-production. And I guess there's something about how they had to make the blue more vivid so that it would read, and that is what made it look so wacky

they kinda looked like weird dead Polar Express eyes to me, v creepy.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 11 May 2014 00:31 (6 months ago) Permalink

The thing the Hobbit movies really miss though is the inner monologue of Bilbo...that's what makes the story on paper, it's as much about what happens externally as it is the constant doubt and shifting within Bilbo, even as he's discovering his courage. But I know there's not really a good way to capture that on film...

of course there is but it involves not making dwarves in barrels and rube goldberg dragon traps the center of the NONSTOP THRILL RIDE

resulting post (rogermexico.), Sunday, 11 May 2014 00:51 (6 months ago) Permalink

lol otm

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 11 May 2014 01:41 (6 months ago) Permalink

I felt well disposed towards the first one, but the second, while technically a better film probably, made me realise how bollocks the whole endeavor is.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Sunday, 11 May 2014 03:24 (6 months ago) Permalink

maybe bilbo will be in the next one

resulting post (rogermexico.), Sunday, 11 May 2014 04:35 (6 months ago) Permalink

i don't remember anything that happened in the first one

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Sunday, 11 May 2014 17:44 (6 months ago) Permalink

they did the dishes

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 11 May 2014 17:48 (6 months ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

FUCKING POD RACING aka jackson goes full-on lucas

ledge, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 10:46 (3 months ago) Permalink

Methinks Game of Thrones increasingly makes this look like child's play, because, well ...

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:36 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

alanbatman (abanana), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 10:50 (3 months ago) Permalink

That title is gonna be a let-down for anyone expecting an actual five-army free-for-all.

jmm, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 13:41 (3 months ago) Permalink

this whole trilogy is still the worst, most ridiculous thing in cinema and jackson should've just left it to ratner so no one would've ever gotten any ideas about its usefulness as anything other than a clear cash grab

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 19:12 (3 months ago) Permalink

Still planning on angrily watching the third one at Cinerama, just like the first two, can't really account for it.

heck (silby), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 19:30 (3 months ago) Permalink

it's amazing at how peter jackson is dutifully attempting to recreate the LOTR formula and hitting a lot of the same notes (cheerful hobbit at the center, gandalf, portentous hints of future doom, etc) but it feels stretched so thin and false and there's no richness to the story or the setting, it feels strictly video game. i mean the LOTR films had the feel of a lived-in decaying world, this has zero of that sense despite attempts at recreating it. also i'm getting tired of those shots he uses every five minutes now (only every forty minutes in the LOTR films): a group of bros scampering across a plains or a bridge or a marsh or a rocky outcropping or a mountain while a camera swoops above and past them or in the opposite direction.

anyway the main point is they're just wrong in so many ways but i can't exactly hate them, PJ clearly loves the material. too much, which is why he's making three films instead of one super-long one.

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 19:49 (3 months ago) Permalink

Funny how the progression of the entire LOTR related movies and culture parallel so well with Star Wars.

Evan, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 19:54 (3 months ago) Permalink

xpost -- yeah coming in with these Hobbit films with the view that it's only a ridiculous indulgence is the way to go. It didn't fully hit me until I saw the first one, even if I already had bad vibes when they went from two to three films, but after that first viewing, it was clear that's how to treat them.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 19:57 (3 months ago) Permalink

martin freeman is very good i think. and i think the gollum stuff in the first film was solid.

i forgot the worst thing in the trilogy, though, which is basically creating an even worse character than that orc from the final battle in ROTK and making him the central (non-ethereal smoke) villain of the whole story.

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 20:01 (3 months ago) Permalink

pretty sure he's making three films full of tiresome rube goldberg set pieces and oh boy big battle scenes because $$$

resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 20:11 (3 months ago) Permalink

martin freeman is very good i think...

not enough information. was he even in the second one?

resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 20:12 (3 months ago) Permalink

The fact that Evangeline Lily is in this is something I find especially irksome, I don't know why.

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 20:17 (3 months ago) Permalink

PJ clearly loves the material. too much, which is why he's making three films instead of one super-long one.

i wish i still had your childlike naivete

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 20:25 (3 months ago) Permalink

I think he clearly loves absurd runtimes as well as $$$$

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 20:50 (3 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

spoiler alert

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Saturday, 25 October 2014 11:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

Fuckin' eagles, man.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 25 October 2014 13:39 (1 month ago) Permalink

i had more fun itt than i have done on the rest of ilx put together in the interim i think

local eire man (darraghmac), Saturday, 25 October 2014 14:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 25 October 2014 16:57 (1 month ago) Permalink

ONE LAST...

...trailer.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 November 2014 18:22 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

WAR BATS

ledge, Friday, 7 November 2014 00:13 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Hobbit 3: Prince of Thieves at 1:16

ledge, Friday, 7 November 2014 00:16 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

#onelasttime

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 7 November 2014 00:19 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Odds on PJ trilogising the Simlmarillion in ten years time, after directing a couple of underperforming films in the interim?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 7 November 2014 00:26 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Cut Scene: The Movie.

That looks absolutely unwatchable. For comparison's sake, I rewatched the "Return of the King" trailer, and check out how much more chill it is:

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 November 2014 03:18 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Well that wasn't about the defining moment of Middle Earth, was it?

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 7 November 2014 06:38 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Very little actual hobbit in that trailer.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 7 November 2014 12:25 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

That looks absolutely crappy.

Frederik B, Friday, 7 November 2014 12:35 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

"Errday Frrruduh moves clusserr to Murrrdrrr" haha

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 7 November 2014 13:08 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Man if you guys can't get behind Elf King Lee Pace riding a giant moose into battle, Flava Flav can't do nothin' for ya.

Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Friday, 7 November 2014 13:56 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

That looks absolutely crappy.

This is key, emphasis on looks. I still can't figure out why, with 10 years of new technology, more experience and an even greater familiarity with the subject matter/cast, these movies look so much more terrible. The sets, the make-up, the FX, everything. Just shitty.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 November 2014 14:19 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah there's some Xena level shit there, but without the self-parody.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 7 November 2014 14:42 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Very little actual hobbit in that trailer.

― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, November 7, 2014

in fairness there's very little actual hobbit in this EPICAL THREE-PART MOTION PICTURE EVENT so

resulting post (rogermexico.), Friday, 7 November 2014 19:27 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Maybe he will put out a director's cut of just Hobbit stuff.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 November 2014 19:28 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

There's just something really unappealing about a film called 'The Battle of Five Armies' especially when it seems one of the armies is a pack of bats? How are they going to spend three hours on elves and dwarves fighting bats?

Frederik B, Friday, 7 November 2014 23:15 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

It'll be like the bit in The Fellowship with the Crebain but 50 minutes long

tsrobodo, Saturday, 8 November 2014 01:42 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

How are they going to spend three hours on elves and dwarves fighting bats?

Probably the same way people spend hundreds of hours playing "Call of Duty" or whatever.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 November 2014 02:11 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

It'd be cool if the movie started with a tutorial level... ease you into things, learn how to fight lesser bats before you have to send the whole Hobbit army against the whole bat army.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 8 November 2014 04:03 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

If I remember correctly from the book Gandalf casts a spell that causes the bats and hobbits to combine as hobbats that fuck everybody up.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 8 November 2014 04:19 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Watched the trailer & was all, "Is this a trailer for the second movie? Because I think I've seen every moment of this before, portentously uttered dialogue and all."

Still planning on angrily watching the third one at Cinerama, just like the first two, can't really account for it.

― heck (silby)

hardcore dilettante, Saturday, 8 November 2014 05:14 (2 weeks ago) Permalink


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