The Hobbit films, previously to be directed by Guillermo del Toro and now to be directed by Peter Jackson again.

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Oddly enough there didn't seem to be an actual thread for these yet, so.

Peter Jackson at Comic-Con -- script for first film near completion, budgeting and casting to follow. Films due in 2011 and 2012.

I've read somewhere that Mike Mignola will be joining the general design team, along with the usual WETA suspects plus Alan Lee and John Howe again.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 00:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

hellboy/blade 2 director guillermo del toro is directing the hobbit movies under the watchful eye of peter jackson

won't be catching these then.

Bobkate Goldtwat (darraghmac), Saturday, 25 July 2009 00:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

although they will look fantastic, there's little doubt of that.

Bobkate Goldtwat (darraghmac), Saturday, 25 July 2009 00:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

I will definitely watch them.

chap, Saturday, 25 July 2009 00:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

If only to to offset darraghmac's non-watching policy

chap, Saturday, 25 July 2009 00:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'll definitely be seeing these, but I don't get why they need the 2 film treatment.

Moodles, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Supposedly the first one is the Hobbit story and the second film will take place in the interim between Hobbit and Fellowship. Could be good.

I have more faith in the Hellboy guy than the King Kong guy, for what it's worth.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

Supposedly the first one is the Hobbit story and the second film will take place in the interim between Hobbit and Fellowship. Could be good.

What, so they're just making things up now? Tolkien franchise? Sounds crass. If it's not based on a book then wtf is it?

fields of salmon, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

Supposedly the first one is the Hobbit story and the second film will take place in the interim between Hobbit and Fellowship.

That was an original plan but no longer -- as noted in the link above:

“There was talk about doing ‘The Hobbit’ as one movie and making an ‘Hobbit,’ and ‘Lord of the Rings,’ bridge movie. We didn’t really know ourselves but as we worked through the story line we thought ‘Well obviously we could squeeze ‘The Hobbit’ into one movie, but In a three hour movie you would be amazed at how much of the story you would have to lose.”

“The book, well the book is what the book is and we just worked through a process and included all the events that we we would like to see in the film, plus the fact that we wanted to embellish a few things and put a little extra narrative that includes Gandalf and what he was doing with the Necromancer and various side stories that are happening. So we decided really that the two movies we are doing would actually would be ‘The Hobbit.’ ”

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

the first one is the Hobbit story and the second film will take place in the interim between Hobbit and Fellowship. Could be good.

Not sure how the first sentence and the second one work together.

General Pubic (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

*cough* Um, my post? Just now?

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

Frankly if they can drop Tom Bombadil from the LotR movies but fit that were-bear twat into the prequels then fuck them even more than I already wanna fuck 'em.

General Pubic (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

I guess I just am comfortable with the fact that I read these books decades ago. So if someone wants to make a spectacular $200million fantasy film based on these properties, I'll gladly get high and watch them.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

Sorry Ned. We crossed posts. Thanks for the illumination.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Well obviously we could squeeze ‘The Hobbit’ into one movie, but In a three hour movie you would be amazed at how much of the story you would have to lose.”

Slightly heartening news, but not very heartening.

fields of salmon, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

x-post -- No worries etc.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

Really, all I want is for WETA and company to do the best dragon EVER on screen. I have a feeling they will.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

Everyone who clicks on this thread will pay to see this movie. Quit frontin youse nerds!

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 01:59 (seven years ago) Permalink

Not everybody, I can guarantee.

General Pubic (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

We had a discussion about D-Wars vs Reign of Fire last night (while watching the intolerably boring Sky Crawlers). I really enjoyed Dragon Wars, while Reign of Fire was hugely disappointing (88 minutes of dudes flexing, 2 minutes of dragons. WTF!).

So yeah--an epic SMAUG would be really timely.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

So if they split it in two, wheredo they put the break? When Gandalf leaves them before Mirkwood, or at the end of the barrel riders?

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

Leaving 'em before Mirkwood makes for a perfect cliffhanger as such, so probably that.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

They could base it on the adventure game and leave them stuck in the Misty Mountains forever.

General Pubic (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

Fleeing the Goblins with assist from the Eagles could be an epic ending.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

It just depends if they want to spend an hour on the Battle of Five Armies or not.

Part of me doesn't want this to happen because I love the Rankin Bass version, warts and all. Plus, the voice of Smaug in that still gives me shivers. Plus, "Theodore".

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

I hope they keep the song "15 birds, in 5 fir trees, their feathers were burned, in the fiery breeze..." I could go on and on.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

Awesome Nate!

I can (and do) quote this movie all the time (and sing the songs). I've watched it every Christmas morning for the last 20-some years.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Not the right movie, but I was once in a band that did a cover of "Where There's A Whip."

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

We had a discussion about D-Wars vs Reign of Fire last night

where does dragonslayer fit into this

鬼の手 (Edward III), Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

Saw Dragonslayer at the cinema when it came out. As a 12 year-old felt a bit cheated cos it was 90 minutes of build-up and 5 minutes of dragon-slaying action, but the gore was cool when it finally happened.

General Pubic (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

d-wars is the most utter garbage!!!!!!! def watched reign of fire a lot as a kid. maybe four or five times.

ian, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hey at least D-Wars has dragons in it. Reign of Fire is a bullshit tease. Could have been the best movie ever if they'd done it right. What a premise!

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Where There's a Whip, There's a Way" -- great song! Great lyric!

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:41 (seven years ago) Permalink

xx-post - Dragonslayer - yawn. There is a boob shot though, right?

I do like the dragon from Fritz Lang's Siegfried though. An oft-overlooked fantasy classic!

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

(actual dragon fight takes place about 4:20 in that clip btw).

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

Oh I've wanted a DVD of Nibelungen for years. Think there's a bunch of sub-Wagner mythology movies from the 10s and 20s, yeah?

General Pubic (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah this is the only one I've seen. Really awesome. This is by no means the best part.

Nate Carson, Saturday, 25 July 2009 02:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

I had the idea that Eureka! had put out Lang's "Die Nibelungen" on DVD, but I can't find any ref to it whatsoever on their site. Kino do a 2DVD vers of it (which I got to admit I haven't got -I watched it on youtube :-/ ). The dragon is great! Best bits for me are the scenes in the primordial forest, which IIRC they built the sets for in an old Zeppelin hangar. Amazing visuals, throughout. Pt1 here:

f1f0 (Pashmina), Saturday, 25 July 2009 10:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

Just looked. Was confused in my inebriated state last night cos Amazon have the Kino release as a US import, but it seems to be Region 2.

General Pubic (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 July 2009 10:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

Hey at least D-Wars has dragons in it. Reign of Fire is a bullshit tease. Could have been the best movie ever if they'd done it right. What a premise!

― Nate Carson, Saturday, July 25, 2009 2:41 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Matthew McConaughey is pretty hilarious in it as the crazed baqld dragon-hunter from America

Panera - Vulgar Display Of Flour (latebloomer), Saturday, 25 July 2009 11:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

er that should be "bald"

Panera - Vulgar Display Of Flour (latebloomer), Saturday, 25 July 2009 11:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

hellboy/blade 2 director guillermo del toro is directing the hobbit movies under the watchful eye of peter jackson

won't be catching these then.

um, why? I think it's important to remember del toro is also (and more relevantly) the director of the devil's backbone and pan's labyrinth.

akm, Saturday, 25 July 2009 18:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

you say "director of pan's labyrinth" like thats a good thing...

the stain specialist (Viceroy), Saturday, 25 July 2009 20:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

I hope the vid game they make of this just involves floating in a darkened barrel.

bad-boy cartographer (Abbott), Saturday, 25 July 2009 20:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

...in your barrel, smelling your apples.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 20:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

we wanted to embellish a few things and put a little extra narrative that includes Gandalf and what he was doing with the Necromancer

stop it!

JimD, Saturday, 25 July 2009 23:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

Having a torrid affair with the Necromancer

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 23:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

Heh, yeah. I just think that it's important to the atmosphere of The Hobbit that when Gandalf disappears for big chunks of it, you don't really know where he's gone, or why, or whether he'll come back. I think filling in those gaps can only hurt the story.

(Although I've not read it for 20 years, I may be remembering wrongly - maybe he does explain all that stuff really).

JimD, Saturday, 25 July 2009 23:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

Betcha Middle-Earth has a magical creature with eyes in its hands that we won't have known about until this movie comes out.

Beanbag the Gardener (WmC), Saturday, 25 July 2009 23:16 (seven years ago) Permalink

I hated the scene where Galadriel is tempted by the Ring and her voice gets weird and screechy and her face is altered with special effects,

lol u nuts this is one of the best scenes/most effective uses of effects in the original trilogy

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 December 2014 23:44 (one year ago) Permalink

I gotta add that besides the Dol Guldur stuff, Legolas was also completely extraneous to the whole trilogy, they could've left him out without the story suffering a bit... Looks like they wanted to have some familiar faces besides Gandalf in these movies, but they just didn't manage to find a way to properly integrate the elements that weren't in the book. To make things worse, Legolas's radical elvish parkour stunts are just as prominent and irritating as they were in the LotR movies... Like, in this one there's a scene where a bridge is collapsing under Legolas and he's jumping on bricks that are literally hanging in the air, like fucking Super Mario or something.

Tuomas, Saturday, 13 December 2014 00:26 (one year ago) Permalink

is there a hobbit in this one?

resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 13 December 2014 03:16 (one year ago) Permalink

I heard they're going to add the hobbit to the the director's cut.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 13 December 2014 03:58 (one year ago) Permalink

I remember thinking the Galadriel temptation thing was great in the theater, it really was startling and weird and she sounded so booming and nuts, it was of a piece with Bilbo's reaction to the Ring in Rivendell. But on DVD the cheapness of the effect kinda overpowered the scene - IIRC this is one where they had farmed some effects out to some outside studio whose work they didn't end up liking at all but they had to keep it.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 13 December 2014 05:29 (one year ago) Permalink

The new one is unbelievably boring.

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Sunday, 14 December 2014 00:11 (one year ago) Permalink

what I'm prepared to believe might surprise u

resulting post (rogermexico.), Sunday, 14 December 2014 00:52 (one year ago) Permalink

After having finished this movie, I can also say that the whole Dol Guldur/Sauron subplot was completely pointless. It doesn't really have anything to do with the main Erebor plot, it's there just to tie these movies to LotR. (IIRC none of that stuff was in the book?)

Lightly. Even in the original version Gandalf leaves Bilbo et al because he has to fight the Necromancer elsewhere, as is discussed briefly at the end of the book on the way back. Tolkien essentially developed and partially retconned it later in LOTR's appendices by having it be the culmination of spying by Gandalf over time and realizing that Sauron had come back, thus partially his urgency about taking care of Smaug via the dwarves; he had already discovered Thrain in Dol Guldur and received the key and map from him before he died. The White Council attacks Dol Guldur, Sauron puts up a slight resistance and then flees eastward in a feint, he ends up back in Mordor etc. etc. From there Jackson and team fleshed it out and reworked it in the version we now have, only here things are more sudden and ad hoc, Gandalf actually gets captured and rescued etc., there's an attempt to REALLY create a new overarching demi-mythology that's not really anywhere in the stories -- the High Fells as a tomb, the origin of the Ringwraiths, Gundabad as the capital as such of Angmar, and so forth. Not the end of the world but it almost felt more like a series of explanations and stories from the Iron Crown Enterprises role playing games instead. (And the geography of the whole story is all *over* the map at this point, but they really only needed to keep things vague for the film anyway, I guess.)

Anyway! Saw it tonight and...pleasantly surprised? If only because it was so SHORT. Shortest of all the six films at two hours and change. I went in lowballing all expectations, honestly, and it worked better than I might have guessed. Even though I kinda figured Thorin and Bilbo's final scene would be more 'dramatic' as such than the book, which I appreciate for its quiet gravitas, they at least kept in a good chunk of the actual dialogue, including a reworked key line about what should be better valued. And while they're nowhere in Tolkien at all beyond a vague reference in LOTR about strange creatures gnawing in the 'deep places of the world,' those sandworm cousins in the battle scene, while kinda ridiculous, still looked pretty great. More tomorrow but hey, at least this is all over bar whatever the extended version turns out to be.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 December 2014 05:59 (one year ago) Permalink

Gonna see this on xmas day I think

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 18 December 2014 06:12 (one year ago) Permalink

Saw this on Xmas eve as per the last two, thank god I can lay that tradition to rest. Thought it was ok for a long while, light on the ridiculous rollercoaster set pieces, bard the bowman jumping on a cart to take out a troll the most absurd but very brief (interestingly the POD RACING on ice I complained about in the trailer four months ago seems to have vanished entirely). Then the battle scenes started, and dragged on, wasn't v convinced by thorin's sudden change of heart managing to turn the tide. Just as I was metaphorically looking at my watch the whole absurd overlong non canonical "this time it's personal" fight against the white orc up on the watchtower started, and went on and on and on... oh look here's legolas hanging from a bat, there's the orc playing whack-a-mole with thorin on some ice forever while a whole orc army looks on, here's legolas running up a collapsing bridge "like fucking super Mario or something" thankyou tuomas, there's the orc coming back from the dead what a surprise...

Ringwraith fight was lame but yeah I liked the bad acid strobe trip of galadriel v sauron. Would've been happy to see more of radagast's rabbit sledge. "Alfred lickspittle" was crap invented comic relief. So much of the look of the orc and dwarf battle stuff seemed like a direct lift from Warhammer which idk seems a bit like the lazy option.

ledge, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 22:27 (one year ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, and ten foot tall orcs with metal armour actually embedded into their flesh can be felled by a stone thrown by a three foot high hobbit. I know, old man yells at action movies.

ledge, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 22:30 (one year ago) Permalink

HFR still looks great though.

ledge, Wednesday, 24 December 2014 22:32 (one year ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, and ten foot tall orcs with metal armour actually embedded into their flesh can be felled by a stone thrown by a three foot high hobbit.

I guess the Hobbits are just the Ewoks of these movies... But I did like the fact that Bilbo was mostly useless during the actual battle (IIRC it was the same in the book?) and didn't do much action hero stuff, it did emphasize the "average person" aspect of Bilbo, the fact that he was more of an observer who couldn't really do that much to affect the larger-than-life forces at play here. Though sadly this meant there was less of Bilbo in this movie than the previous ones, Thorin and Bard essentially became the protagonists here. It would've been nice to have more of Martin Freeman, he's so good at playing the "everyman observer" character (having already done two iconic versions of it in Arthur Dent and John Watson)... But with an epic climax like this, I guess such a character can't by definition have much to do. Bilbo's return to Shire was really nice done though, and I liked that it was far more prosaic and bittersweet than the ending of LotR, which closed with a similar scene.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 08:39 (one year ago) Permalink

Martin Freeman, he's so good at playing the "everyman observer Martin Freeman" character (having already done two iconic versions of it in Arthur Dent and John Watson).

ledge, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 16:27 (one year ago) Permalink

what ledge said up there, yeah. was fairly diverting, except for a 30-40 minute midfilm "now begins the BATTLES!" stretch, during which i became distracted by theatrical speaker placement, ceiling design, and the likelihood of interesting lobby posters were i to go for a stretch.

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 18:56 (one year ago) Permalink

Haha yeah, I guess Freeman gets typecast, but he does do the type well.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 30 December 2014 19:41 (one year ago) Permalink

If you went to watch this after seeing the first two, I don't know what to say.

..but is he a virtuoso? (Raccoon Tanuki), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 20:40 (one year ago) Permalink

"Hope you enjoyed it?"

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 21:55 (one year ago) Permalink

raccoon tanuki if you went to watch the second after seeing the first you are complicit

resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 23:25 (one year ago) Permalink

COME AT ME

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 31 December 2014 00:30 (one year ago) Permalink

Could have done without the Kili lovestory, i never gave a crap about them in any of the installments

Thorin was p boss in this one. Like how they "smauged" his voice as he got more consumed with greed

agreed not enough bilbo
i didnt need the LOTR bow on the end but i guess i get why they had to

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 31 December 2014 00:33 (one year ago) Permalink

So the battle just kind of... ended. While everyone was doing their one on one computer game orc fights. Who even won the battle of five armies?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 31 December 2014 00:50 (one year ago) Permalink

Best bit was the first ten minutes, after Smaug died the rest kind of felt like an epilogue.

Could have done without the Kili lovestory

Yeah this was shit.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 31 December 2014 00:52 (one year ago) Permalink

can't muster up the energy to see this

akm, Wednesday, 31 December 2014 03:02 (one year ago) Permalink

like it just seemed like it was some version of this expression ALL the time with Tauriel/Kili with wistful music and everyone knew they were doomed from the start ...it just seemed like they were desperate to to Aragorn and Arwen redux but there was nothing to care about

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 31 December 2014 03:08 (one year ago) Permalink

because fanfic hobbit

resulting post (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 31 December 2014 03:22 (one year ago) Permalink

u_u

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 31 December 2014 03:31 (one year ago) Permalink

let's be honest, there was nothing to care about with Aragorn and Arwen either.

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 31 December 2014 18:26 (one year ago) Permalink

Who even won the battle of five armies?
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, December 30, 2014 7:50 PM

that was my question after it ended. 3 hours of fighting over a pile of gold and they don't tell u who gets to keep it

wwhy shrek is piss (am0n), Wednesday, 31 December 2014 18:41 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't recall any giant piles of gold in the Lord of the Rings movies. Peter Jackson should go back and add them in.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 31 December 2014 19:31 (one year ago) Permalink

You forgot to check his bank account

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 31 December 2014 21:30 (one year ago) Permalink

Every penny is on the (computer) screen.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 31 December 2014 21:49 (one year ago) Permalink

Bus advertising over here is using the tag #onelasttime - have to assume they spent some time arguing back and forward about that vs #sunkcost

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 1 January 2015 11:01 (one year ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

def what this needed was an extended version. the new R rating will reel nerds in I guess?

http://comicbook.com/2015/08/25/the-hobbit-the-battle-of-the-five-armies-extended-edition-is-r-r/

resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 22:34 (one year ago) Permalink

I'm sad that three-hour edited version of the trilogy is gone from Vimeo. I had a lot of fun with it.

polyphonic, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 22:37 (one year ago) Permalink

It was also released on BitTorrent so I'm sure it's floating out in the wilds.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 22:40 (one year ago) Permalink

Is it weird that I watched the third film that way instead of actually watching it all the way through

polyphonic, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 22:41 (one year ago) Permalink

Ha, couldn't blame you. The Killstein edit really did do a great job of turning the films back to as much of the actual source narrative as possible; I'm surprised at how effective the overall editing choices were. A couple of unavoidably clunky moments where you could feel it was an edit and not something plausibly 'as filmed/released' but on balance, nicely handled.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 22:46 (one year ago) Permalink

I missed out on the third movie. Saw the first two in the theater, in 3D, and just forgot about the third. Is it any good?

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 03:18 (one year ago) Permalink

if you thought there wasn't enough screen time for Bard's children in the second movie, you'll like the third one

go hang a salami I'm a canal, adam (silby), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 05:02 (one year ago) Permalink

Also if you thought the master's henchman needed a lot more screen time.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 08:35 (one year ago) Permalink

And if you thought Ornaldo Bloomps bringing down the Elephant hardcore in ROTK was too gritty and realistic.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 09:00 (one year ago) Permalink

That's the best bit, though!

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 09:17 (one year ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

this week is school holiday week.
so, me and mk2 decided to watch this trilogy.
having never read the book(s), we really enjoyed the whole experience.

what was fascinating was just how much of the JRRT world has been ripped off for the 'Elder Scrolls' games.
i had no idea, but mk2 is massively into Skyrim, and Oblivion.
and there is a lot (seriously - a lot !) of crossover.
even in the small level detail of the game, eg, the use of a book called "black arrow" that increases your archery skills.
(one example of many that mk2 picked up as we watched the films)

so, question : did the creators of the Elder Scroll games get clearance from the JRRT estate to rip off a lot of the same language/ideas etc ?

mark e, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 18:55 (two months ago) Permalink

i doubt there's anything of Tolkien in the Hobbit movies bar a few names.

inasmuch as all fantasy fiction rips off largely from Tolkien, not only is TES not exceptional but in many respects it's a good deal less egregious than most tbh

yours, a butthurt fanboy

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 19:09 (two months ago) Permalink

Probably not; Tolkein has been getting ripped off heavily by everyone since he wrote. In particular Dungeons and Dragons was invented by a bunch of Tolkein fans and is basically a Tolkein pastiche in many ways. And D&D is the direct ancestor of video game fantasy RPGs like Elder Scrolls.

Sean, let me be clear (silby), Wednesday, 1 June 2016 19:10 (two months ago) Permalink

also

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 19:11 (two months ago) Permalink

fair enough.
i am not that much of a fantasy fanboy, so was shocked as to how often mk2 was 'this is in skyrim' etc.
i guess you are right, its all a direct connection to the D&D world.

mark e, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 19:16 (two months ago) Permalink

If anything, Peter Jackson ripped off Skyrim

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 1 June 2016 20:18 (two months ago) Permalink

movies are still terrible

akm, Wednesday, 1 June 2016 20:56 (two months ago) Permalink


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