i like that batman and bane not only sound like children pretending to be monsters, but that their fight scenes come off like two dolls being bashed against each other
― da croupier, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:16 (ten years ago) link
LOL yes!
The plot of these movies is utterly ridiculous though, even given the comic book world they live in. The OWS stuff they shoehorned in was weak and pretty dumb. The shackles of rule by the rich and powerful are thrown off for the populist....um ... guy that blew up a football stadium. And then this same guy who has killed many innocent people reads from a confession about the truth about Harvey Dent and all of Gotham believes him and turns on the police? At a certain point it becomes more than plot holes, it's a general lack of focus, unclear motivations all around, etc.
Felt like there were too many things they wanted to include in this movie and all of them got written in but the impact was severely diminished for pretty much all of them.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:35 (ten years ago) link
script predated OWS, sheesh
― mh, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:39 (ten years ago) link
If they wanted to go with the "Gotham ruled by a villain" thing they should have just done that. Chop out the bomb thing, chop out the faraway pit-prison (which creates more plot problems than it's worth - how about Bane has a sinister super-base in the sewers, or he somehow imprisons Batman in the Bat Cave or something), chop out Talia and make Bane work as a villain in his own right (or use someone other than Bane)... basically the 2-second premise of this is interesting but it gets junked up really fast.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:40 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgT1gtdC-PE
I like the scene at 2:10 because it sounds like Bane is bumbling incoherently and the dude is just going "What?"
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:44 (ten years ago) link
general rule of thumb is that when Mike W Barr's Batman and the Outsiders stories make more sense and look better than your 300 million dollar movie something's gone wrong.no dis to jim aparo of course
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:52 (ten years ago) link
their fight scenes come off like two dolls being bashed against each other
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:53 (ten years ago) link
seeing bits and pieces on hbo recently has brought up more bits of stupidity. How when Matthew Modine leads the charge on bane's people, the cops have little guns, and bane's soldiers have automatic weapons. But when Batman shows up, everybody's having fisticuffs?
― da croupier, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:56 (ten years ago) link
That drove me nuts. Hooray, Batman is leading everybody to their deaths in a suicide charge! And they win!
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 16:57 (ten years ago) link
similarly, why would the bad guys run toward a small army when they have automatic weapons and some distance? Hold your ground, keep firing, end movie.
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:08 (ten years ago) link
my #1 favorite thing about this movie is still that they apparently unintentionally jacked this for the climax
http://filmdump.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/batman-1966-3.jpg
― da croupier, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:10 (ten years ago) link
HAS to be intentional.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:15 (ten years ago) link
a nolan quote re inception that seems pertinent to the matter
"There are all kinds of references in there. This wasn't really a conscious thing on my part; I didn't set out to make a movie about movies. But what I wanted was for the dream imagery to be resonant not just to me, but on some kind of shared level. And I think naturally, as a filmmaker, I just gravitate toward cinema as the collective memory we have of imagery and symbolism."
― da croupier, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:19 (ten years ago) link
from the same interview that features my favorite nolan quote ever:
"One of my favorite brain teasers, or things to occupy my mind with when I have spare time, is that if you look in a mirror, left and right are reversed, but up and down are not. How is that possible? I've been trying to wrap my head around that for decades and I make no progress. If any of your readers have the solution, I'll be interested."
DECADES.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:21 (ten years ago) link
fucking mirrors how do they work
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:30 (ten years ago) link
Effect of gravity on light photons btw
― dj hollingsworth vs dj perry (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:32 (ten years ago) link
real versus virtual images iirc
btw if the mirror was on the ceiling you'd be upside down!
― mh, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:37 (ten years ago) link
The Dark Knight Refracted
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:41 (ten years ago) link
you'd think a DP, or someone getting his lunch, would have explained it to him by now.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:42 (ten years ago) link
and give up that plum job?
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:44 (ten years ago) link
what bale did when a dp explained how light worked on sethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0auwpvAU2YA
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:45 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/0sfzv3Y.jpg
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 01:17 (ten years ago) link
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, July 2, 2013 4:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you missed my fave: all stock transactions made during a terrorist seizure of the stock exchange (and computer hacking in plain view of every trader) are considered completely valid even after the terrorist madman has been defeated.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 01:38 (ten years ago) link
lol
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 01:39 (ten years ago) link
but it'll take months to prove the fraud!
― Nhex, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 01:40 (ten years ago) link
idk it seemed plausible enough to me
im irish btw
― dj hollingsworth vs dj perry (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 01:43 (ten years ago) link
i will admit that i am even now saying the "spirit/body" captions out loud in a bane voice and it's fun
― i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 02:21 (ten years ago) link
Yeah this was crappy huh, three straight Batman movies ruined by 9/11.
― El tres de 乒乓 de 1808 (silby), Saturday, 6 July 2013 17:14 (ten years ago) link
i'll still defend the first two, easily
― Nhex, Saturday, 6 July 2013 17:42 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LKnv_hF8hs
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 6 July 2013 17:52 (ten years ago) link
Found a sale DVD, watched it for the second time--it seemed like something that might improve at home (which sounds strange, but it was pure overload in the theatre).
I was able to decipher Bane this time; the sound was much clearer (maybe it was a problem with the theatre after all), and I also used the subtitles when necessary. As to whether that was a good thing, maybe not. Almost every single line of his is the corniest kind of villain-makes-clever-retort, made even more so by Tom Hardy's inflections. ("You're pure evil"; "I am necessary evil." Really had me rolling my eyes before long.) In terms of the story, I think they take a certain amount of familiarity for granted. I could follow, I don't know, 78% of what was going on, who characters were and why they were doing what they were doing. I did again like Anne Hathaway.
I know it's silly to carp about a superhero film two years later. But some of this is of interest, enough that I wish it were better.
― clemenza, Sunday, 2 February 2014 14:40 (ten years ago) link
Yeah this aged very poorly very quickly via hbo for me
― da croupier, Sunday, 2 February 2014 16:43 (ten years ago) link
Last time I watched it I couldn't get over the feeling that it felt like a rushed screenplay--like two or three drafts away. so much clunky exposition!
― ryan, Sunday, 2 February 2014 17:20 (ten years ago) link
Almost every single line of his is the corniest kind of villain-makes-clever-retort
Every time someone brings up this movie, I point out these parts, because I love them more than anything else in the movie. Except Catwoman blowing things up on the Bat-Cycle.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 2 February 2014 18:03 (ten years ago) link
You think darkness is your ally? But you merely adopted it, I was BORN in it.
― Nhex, Sunday, 2 February 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link
this is garbage
― socki (s1ocki), Sunday, 2 February 2014 18:17 (ten years ago) link
*bane voice*Your absence of faith is shocking, s1ocki!
― mh, Sunday, 2 February 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link
I'm being unfair to the degree that most great villains in film history are built upon a litany of clever retorts--the Joker in the previous film, Hannibal Lecter, J.J. Hunsecker, whomever. Maybe it's more Hardy himself that bothered me; there's something really artificially theatrical about his line delivery.
― clemenza, Sunday, 2 February 2014 18:20 (ten years ago) link
this is one of the best threads dedicated to a bad movie
― Hungry4Ass, Sunday, 2 February 2014 18:20 (ten years ago) link
I forgot i watched this
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 2 February 2014 18:35 (ten years ago) link
what's amazing is how despite the relatively bleak story the dark knight is such a fun movie whereas TDKR just feels so joyless. like Nolan was basically "look I don't like how this story ends and neither will you but this tale must be told for posterity".
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Sunday, 2 February 2014 18:35 (ten years ago) link
yeah totes magotes
― Hungry4Ass, Sunday, 2 February 2014 18:40 (ten years ago) link
the tdk was something i kinda despised in principle but in reality was pretty damn entertained by. tdkr's dreariness almost works as a tuomas 'actually batman and robin is the best batman story ever told' argument cuz the stuff i find most (ie actually) entertaining about it are the most pronounced schumaker elements. it's even made watching some other movies more enjoyable, highly recommend watching warrior and substituting bane ad-libs for tom hardy's dialogue.
― balls, Sunday, 2 February 2014 18:42 (ten years ago) link
its weird that this was nolan going 'i'm gonna make a michael bay movie and make this a crazy fun time' but hes too much of a tightass to really cut loose and do that. still feel like the biggest missed opportunity was the fakeout with neeson, would've been so ballsy and inappropriate and cool to make him actually undead mastermind behind whole thing
― Hungry4Ass, Sunday, 2 February 2014 19:03 (ten years ago) link
missed opp revealing cotillard so late too. she could have been an incred secondary villain instead of the whole "jon voight mission impossible" shit they did. neeson would have been a welcome return.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Sunday, 2 February 2014 19:06 (ten years ago) link
I liked him in almost everything I saw him in, led by (in order) Magnolia, Capote, Boogie Nights, Happiness, Almost Famous, Moneyball, Love Liza, The Big Lebowski...a few others, too--I must have seen more than one film just because he was in it. (One of the few times he lost me was, Academy Award notwithstanding, the role he'll probably be most remembered for, Lancaster Dodd.) I wrote about him (sort of) soon after first noticing him. A couple of things to look forward to (maybe they've been mentioned already):
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2920808/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_5http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1972571/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_4
― clemenza, Sunday, 2 February 2014 19:51 (ten years ago) link
wrong thred
― socki (s1ocki), Sunday, 2 February 2014 20:32 (ten years ago) link
I relocated it. The tech wing of Bane's mercenary army was messing with my account.
― clemenza, Sunday, 2 February 2014 20:36 (ten years ago) link
The Dark Knight being a "bad movie" is one of the worst challops i've ever seen on this boardRises' only redeeming quality is probably that hilarious Bane voice though
― Nhex, Sunday, 2 February 2014 21:56 (ten years ago) link
Still love this.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 2 February 2014 21:58 (ten years ago) link