What are your all-time favorite novels??

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I've been thinking about this a lot lately and believe I've narrowed mine down to a top five:

1. Pale Fire - Nabokov
2. Jude the Obscure - Hardy
3. White Noise - DeLillo
4. Heart of Darkness - Conrad
5. Our Lady of the Flowers - Genet

I am pretty sure that once people start posting theirs I'll want to revise mine.

Anyway . . . what are your top 5?

☺☻☺☻come on ppl now smile on u brother☺☻☺☻ (ENBB), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:06 (fourteen years ago) link

i love our lady of the flowers!

harbl, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:11 (fourteen years ago) link

A Murder Is Announced by agatha christie

surm, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:11 (fourteen years ago) link

i've been meaning to read Our Lady Of The Flowers! we have it here

surm, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:11 (fourteen years ago) link

OLotF is great. You should definitely read it!

☺☻☺☻come on ppl now smile on u brother☺☻☺☻ (ENBB), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:13 (fourteen years ago) link

harbl <3

☺☻☺☻come on ppl now smile on u brother☺☻☺☻ (ENBB), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Moby Dick
Gravity's Rainbow
The Trial
Portnoy's Complaint
Journey to the End of the Night

I was tempted to put The Brothers Karamazov or War and Peace to look cool, but I'm not sure how much I enjoyed them, tho I do admire them very much, esp W&P.

ryan, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:15 (fourteen years ago) link

i am trying to think but i forget a lot of books that i read. i was going to read war and peace this summer because i liked anna karenina.

harbl, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link

x-post See, if I had done top 10 then The Trial, Gravity's Rainbow and quite possibly Portnoy's Complaint would have made it in.

☺☻☺☻come on ppl now smile on u brother☺☻☺☻ (ENBB), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link

oh

madame bovary
old goriot

harbl, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link

i've read the first 4 on your list enbb, i love hardy but jude is maybe just a little too ott tragic, even for hardy

velko, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:17 (fourteen years ago) link

old goriot is great

velko, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:17 (fourteen years ago) link

i want to read it again

harbl, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:17 (fourteen years ago) link

germinal

harbl, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:17 (fourteen years ago) link

what's the best Hardy? i LOVED the woodlanders but have read nothing else yet.

ryan, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:18 (fourteen years ago) link

gah all the books i like are super-old french books. i never read anything new. but it's ok!

harbl, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:18 (fourteen years ago) link

i've hit the point where i can barely remember anything about the books i read 20 years ago, except whether i liked them or not : \

velko, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Jude is incredibly tragic but still beautiful.

See this is another reason this thread is great. I haven't read either of Harbl's so I now have two more on my "to read" list.

☺☻☺☻come on ppl now smile on u brother☺☻☺☻ (ENBB), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:18 (fourteen years ago) link

My favorite novels today:

The Portrait of a Lady
Women in Love
Wuthering Heights
The Great Gatsby
The Mayor of Casterbridge

My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:19 (fourteen years ago) link

mayor of casterbridge, far from the madding crowd
xposts

velko, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:19 (fourteen years ago) link

i liked wuthering heights more than i thought i would

harbl, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link

what's the best Hardy? i LOVED the woodlanders but have read nothing else yet

The Woodlanders is one of his very best, yeah. I love the scene in which Winterbourne hides in the trees while his lover calls his name.

My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link

OK, yeah The Mayor of Casterbridge would also have made my top ten as would Tender is the Night which I preferred to the Great Gatsby.

☺☻☺☻come on ppl now smile on u brother☺☻☺☻ (ENBB), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Midnight's Children is one i forgot.

im gonna check out far from the madding crowd since im pretty sure i read mayor of casterbridge in high school....

ryan, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link

And all of a sudden my top 5 has become a top 9 possibly 10. lol.

☺☻☺☻come on ppl now smile on u brother☺☻☺☻ (ENBB), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Calvino "The Baron In The Trees"
Fante "Ask The Dust"
Doctorow "Billy Bathgate"
Dick "Martian Time Slip"
Cain "The Postman Always Rings Twice"

no order, first five that came to mind as being candidates for "favorite."

ian, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:21 (fourteen years ago) link

this thread is perfect timing because i just recently decided to pick up my novel reading to counteract dissertation ennui...was gonna make a second go at Against the Day, which I never finished.

ryan, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Calvino "The Baron In The Trees"

Yes! I thought of this one too.

My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:22 (fourteen years ago) link

The Maltese Falcon - Hammett

☺☻☺☻come on ppl now smile on u brother☺☻☺☻ (ENBB), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:22 (fourteen years ago) link

i can't boil it down to five, but i will always rep for
Pierre, or The Ambiguities
McTeague

velko, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:23 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm not sure abt my inclusion of Ask The Dust, because it's definitely sort of... ridiculous, but as far as explorations of juvenile obsessions go...

ian, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:24 (fourteen years ago) link

1. Pale Fire - Nabokov
2. Jude the Obscure - Hardy
3. White Noise - DeLillo
4. Heart of Darkness - Conrad
5. Our Lady of the Flowers - Genet
6. The Trial - Kafka
7. Gravity's Rainbow - Pynchon
8. Mayor of Casterbridge - Hardy
9. The Maltese Falcon - Hammett

ok - top 9 not committing to a top 10 . . . yet

☺☻☺☻come on ppl now smile on u brother☺☻☺☻ (ENBB), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:24 (fourteen years ago) link

was also thinking of maybe the Collector by John Fowles.

ian, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:25 (fourteen years ago) link

oh yeah, Under the Volcano is another one

velko, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:26 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm going to go look at my bookshelf and see if I can't identify at least one fav book by a woman.

☺☻☺☻come on ppl now smile on u brother☺☻☺☻ (ENBB), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:26 (fourteen years ago) link

brb

☺☻☺☻come on ppl now smile on u brother☺☻☺☻ (ENBB), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:26 (fourteen years ago) link

there was another genet i never finished that i thought would be my all time favorite and i can't remember which one it was :-/

harbl, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:26 (fourteen years ago) link

oh! the miracle of the rose

harbl, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:26 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't read women much. i really enjoyed most of the "Portable" Dorothy Parker though.

ian, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:27 (fourteen years ago) link

i have kind of the same problem, i mostly read books by dudes. i need to work on that. i remember really liking "a tree grows in brooklyn" when i was like 14 or 15 though. that might be an all-time favorite.

harbl, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:28 (fourteen years ago) link

The Waves
The Man Who Loved Children
The Ghost Writer
The Folded Leaf
Lincoln

My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:29 (fourteen years ago) link

back and nope - I got nothing on the female tip - sad

I do however have a #10!

1. Pale Fire - Nabokov
2. Jude the Obscure - Hardy
3. White Noise - DeLillo
4. Heart of Darkness - Conrad
5. Our Lady of the Flowers - Genet
6. The Trial - Kafka
7. Gravity's Rainbow - Pynchon
8. Mayor of Casterbridge - Hardy
9. The Maltese Falcon - Hammett
10. As I Lay Dying - Faulkner

Now that my list is finalized I'm probably going to get a tattoo of all these stacked on top of one another somewhere on my person.

☺☻☺☻come on ppl now smile on u brother☺☻☺☻ (ENBB), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Wise Blood
The Optimist's Daughter
Persuasion

My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:29 (fourteen years ago) link

A Tree Grows in Brooklyn is great. I do like some stuff by women writers but just not enough for it to make the top 10.

☺☻☺☻come on ppl now smile on u brother☺☻☺☻ (ENBB), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:30 (fourteen years ago) link

What's wrong with you people?! What about George Eliot? If Middlemarch and Daniel Deronda were the only two novels in existence, literature would still thrive.

My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:30 (fourteen years ago) link

ha "women writers"

My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:30 (fourteen years ago) link

oh yeah i don't think it's top 5. i have a hard time ranking things though.

harbl, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Me too! I've actually been thinking about this for days.

☺☻☺☻come on ppl now smile on u brother☺☻☺☻ (ENBB), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:31 (fourteen years ago) link

george eliot is a girl?!?!?!?

lol jk

harbl, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:31 (fourteen years ago) link

as I lay dying and wise blood are both awesome.

harry crews "car"

ian, Wednesday, 24 June 2009 01:32 (fourteen years ago) link

The Man Who Loved Children - Christina Stead
A View of the Harbour - Elizabeth Taylor

Come sit beside me.

meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2021 13:49 (three years ago) link

Always on my mind:

good standard

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 11 February 2021 15:01 (three years ago) link

xps to NV I was thinking of reading Story of the Stone! Should I?

scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Thursday, 11 February 2021 15:02 (three years ago) link

your writing has kind of a Swift-y vibe, NV

horseshoe, Thursday, 11 February 2021 15:06 (three years ago) link

Can I recommend a great little novel? Vivek Shanbhag’s Ghachar Ghochar is a perfect one...it rewards an immediate second read and is v short so that’s doable.

horseshoe, Thursday, 11 February 2021 15:12 (three years ago) link

gyac - I'd say yes, definitely. nb it's looong and I read the modern Penguin translation, the older public domain translations I've seen add layers of florid English to the difficulty. It's a really moving family epic of loss and transience with extra Buddhism and magic sprinkled into the mix, and it's a really absorbing world.

horseshoe aw shucks thank you I admit I shamelessly steal Swift's rhetorical moves all the time, he still makes me laugh and he invented that kind of dry sometimes meanness that I fall well short of but can't help aping

Mommas, don't let your scampoes grow up to be bacon fries (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 February 2021 15:18 (three years ago) link

Also I'm bookmarking Ghachar Ghochar

Mommas, don't let your scampoes grow up to be bacon fries (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 February 2021 15:19 (three years ago) link

Also I love the horrified recognition in Swift's long books or "novels" when he realises he's ultimately satirising himself

Mommas, don't let your scampoes grow up to be bacon fries (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 February 2021 15:21 (three years ago) link

In Search of Lost Time
The Brothers Karamazov
Middlemarch
The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings
Jeeves novels
Pride & Prejudice
The Book of the New Sun
Le Grand Meaulnes
Washington Square
Moby-Dick

I said Ulysses earlier itt, but feel like I was fooling myself in retrospect. I need to give it a lot more time at least.

jmm, Thursday, 11 February 2021 15:42 (three years ago) link

Hooray!

Yes I always think of myself of disliking 18th century lit, but I forget Swift; he is great!

horseshoe, Thursday, 11 February 2021 15:43 (three years ago) link

off the top of my head

catch-22
lord of the rings
cat's cradle
coming through slaughter
master & margarita
ragtime
siddhartha

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Thursday, 11 February 2021 15:46 (three years ago) link

A Dance to the Music of Time - Powell
Austerlitz - Sebald
Hangover Square - Hamilton
The Trial - Kafka
Moby-Dick - Melville
Middlemarch - Eliot
Hav - Morris
The Hound of the Baskervilles - Conan-Doyle
Five Red Herrings - Sayers
Jude the Obscure - Hardy
The Good Soldier Švejk - Hašek

Sven Vath's scary carpet (Neil S), Thursday, 11 February 2021 15:50 (three years ago) link

Books I keep coming back to:

Conrad, Heart of Darkness
Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby
McCarthy, Blood Meridian
Wharton, The House of Mirth
Chandler, The Long Goodbye
John Dos Passos, U.S.A. trilogy
Delany, Dhalgren
Gibson, Blue Ant trilogy (Pattern Recognition/Spook Country/Zero History)
Hammett, Red Harvest and The Dain Curse

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 11 February 2021 16:03 (three years ago) link

I love a lot of 18th century prose: Henry Fielding, Lawrence Sterne, Gibbon. Jane Austen feels closer to 18th than 19th for me, English in that era feels looser and more fluid and just more fun tbh

Mommas, don't let your scampoes grow up to be bacon fries (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 February 2021 16:06 (three years ago) link

an easy squeezy threesy:

Kolyma Tales by Shalamov

Moby Dick

Cat's Cradle

calzino, Thursday, 11 February 2021 16:07 (three years ago) link

i am trying to think but i forget a lot of books that i read. i was going to read war and peace this summer because i liked anna karenina.

― harbl, Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:16 PM (eleven years ago) bookmarkflaglink

two guesses :(

superdeep borehole (harbl), Thursday, 11 February 2021 16:36 (three years ago) link

Austen is what happens when the 18th century FIGURES ITSELF OUT imo. I get why people like Fielding and Sterne, but they’re not for me.

horseshoe, Thursday, 11 February 2021 16:48 (three years ago) link

Give me a Victorian doorstop any day. I need to read Our Mutual Friend.

horseshoe, Thursday, 11 February 2021 16:50 (three years ago) link

I love Our Mutual Friend but hate the ending, which is what kept it off my list.

Lily Dale, Thursday, 11 February 2021 16:51 (three years ago) link

Oscar and Lucinda
Midnight’s Children
Glamorama
Vanity Fair
Kindred

and my forever favourite

Lolita

scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Thursday, 11 February 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link

i do love a good Dickens too but i think of him as having his 18th century roots showing, especially early on, especially Fielding

19th century stuff that could've should've made my list would include

Bleak House
Wuthering Heights
Mary Barton maybe?
À rebours

Mommas, don't let your scampoes grow up to be bacon fries (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 February 2021 17:05 (three years ago) link

love Glamorama and yeah Lolita of course

Mommas, don't let your scampoes grow up to be bacon fries (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 February 2021 17:06 (three years ago) link

surprised The Trial seems the universal Kafka pick, I've always rated The Castle higher (however unfinished)

anyway this is impossible...Moby Dick and The Quixote are my two "favorite" books but almost seems like they shouldn't count, they're looming up there like a couple of stone tablets

ten (almost) pre-war:

Mary Shelley, Frankenstein
J.K. Huysmans, À rebours
F.R. Wolf, Hadrian VII
Franz Kafka, The Castle
Virginia Woolf, Mrs. Dalloway
Henry Green, Party Going
Flann O’Brien, At Swim-Two-Birds
Willa Cather, My Antonia
Witold Gombrowicz, Ferdydurke
Albert Camus, The Stranger

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 11 February 2021 17:13 (three years ago) link

xps to NV we need to talk Glamorama sometime, maybe tomorrow?

scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Thursday, 11 February 2021 17:14 (three years ago) link

NV <3 Against Nature is sublime, I don't know how many times I've read that book or just picked it up and read thirty pp in the middle

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 11 February 2021 17:15 (three years ago) link

xp yeah!

not xp also yeah! i think about monochrome feasts a lot

Mommas, don't let your scampoes grow up to be bacon fries (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 February 2021 17:16 (three years ago) link

erm that's Rolfe (Baron Corvo), above

ten post-war

Max Frisch, I'm Not Stiller
Stanislaw Lem, Solaris
Nabokov, Lolita
Frederick Exley, A Fan's Notes
Thomas Bernhard, The Lime Works
Robert Coover, Universal Baseball Association...
Harry Mathews, Sinking of the Odradek Stadium
Marguerite Dumas, The Lover
Peter Handke, Goalie's Anxiety at The Penalty Kick
Don Delillo, The Names

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 11 February 2021 17:20 (three years ago) link

A Fan's Notes is a good pick, tho i've only read it once partly because it touches too close to home and i'm thinking i might've lost my copy

Mommas, don't let your scampoes grow up to be bacon fries (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 February 2021 17:21 (three years ago) link

Masters of Atlantis - Charles Portis
Warlock - Oakley Hall
Cogan's Trade - George V. Higgins
Jesus' Son; Train Dreams - Denis Johnson
Fat City - Leonard Gardner
Housekeeping; Gilead - Marilynne Robinson
The Third Policeman - Flann O'Brien
As I Lay Dying - Faulkner
Moby-Dick - Melville
The Long Goodbye - Chandler

Chris L, Thursday, 11 February 2021 17:22 (three years ago) link

yeah xp that can be dicey if you aren't in a good place

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 11 February 2021 17:24 (three years ago) link

Exley evokes that state of mind and the bar-life state of mind so well

Mommas, don't let your scampoes grow up to be bacon fries (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 February 2021 17:25 (three years ago) link

oh i found it phew

Mommas, don't let your scampoes grow up to be bacon fries (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 February 2021 17:29 (three years ago) link

a real flash of brilliance and then a real booze induced fall-off...the one after this made me kinda sad

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 11 February 2021 17:35 (three years ago) link

ten faves form the past twenty+ years

Orhan Pamuk, My Name Is Red
Tom McCarthy, Remainder
Donald Antrim, The Hundred Brothers
Vladimir Makanin, The Baize Covered Table With Decanter
W.G. Sebald, The Rings Of Saturn
Grace Krilanovich, The Orange Eat Creeps
Jose Saramago, Blindness
Jim Crace, Being Dead
Roberto Bolaño, Distant Star
Enrique Vila-Matas, Bartleby & Co.

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 11 February 2021 17:36 (three years ago) link

Oh man! I'll just go with ones that I think have not been mentioned (but I'm not going to search on the titles to make sure, because I want to mention them anyway:
I was forced to read 1984 in Ninth Grade, but immediately and all through there was a lot more vs. Cold War Adult World than Communism Does Not Pay---also in high school, Nabokov's The Defense, about dorky chess prodigy, v. relatable to to non-chess prodigy me, who also dug The Crying of Lot 49, with paranoid pleasures x the fab Mrs. Maas, which spoke to the 60s for sure, ditto though set a little earlier, V., incl. things I hoped to get up to, yo-yo-ing etc., plus more scary funky Mid-Century wreckage and piecework palaces in the twilight.
in 70s-early 80s: Bramner's The Gay Place, Stone's Hall of Mirrors and Dog Soldiers (esp. struck by way women have to make their ways through these male preoccupations and stumblefests).
More recently:
The Way We Live Now
The Idiot
2666 (was mentioned)
Swann's Way
My Brilliant Friend
Two more in the Gilead sequence:
Home and Lila

dow, Thursday, 11 February 2021 18:36 (three years ago) link

And The Professor's House!

dow, Thursday, 11 February 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link

great weird book w/ that left turn into the desert

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 11 February 2021 18:43 (three years ago) link

Cather rules.

meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2021 18:43 (three years ago) link

that is my favorite Cather, and yes, she is great. she was sort of terrible? but her writing is beautiful.

horseshoe, Thursday, 11 February 2021 18:44 (three years ago) link

Hard to resist A Lost Lady too.

meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2021 18:45 (three years ago) link

*Brammer's* The Gay Place)(three stories, interlocking around a gas giant, unseen, always felt, who has been auto-compared to LBJ but I go w those who say he seems more like Earl Long, the hardest workin' playin' man in tightrope political show biz)

dow, Thursday, 11 February 2021 18:46 (three years ago) link

Member of the Wedding and The Moviegoer too.

dow, Thursday, 11 February 2021 18:53 (three years ago) link

xps yes Cather for me is one who has several that could make a list...same for me w/ Bernhard and Nabokov, on a given day any one of four or five novels from either might be a favorite

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 11 February 2021 18:55 (three years ago) link

Native Son, Their Eyes Were Watching God both blew me away, in diff directions.

dow, Thursday, 11 February 2021 18:56 (three years ago) link

at a certain point mine would have been

richard powers, the gold bug variations
bruce duffy, the world as i found it
mark helprin, a soldier of the great war

but the latter i read before i knew helprin was a fascist : /

mookieproof, Friday, 12 February 2021 04:27 (three years ago) link

For sure faves:

To The Lighthouse
Moby-Dick
Frankenstein
Crime & Punishment
Ragtime
Black Swan Green

Stuff I would have repped for once upon a time but not sure now/would have to revisit:

The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time
The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle
Cat's Cradle

american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Friday, 12 February 2021 13:22 (three years ago) link

Five favourites that haven't been mentioned:

Samuel Beckett, Molloy
Paul Bowles, The Sheltering Sky
William Burroughs, Naked Lunch (or Queer, or Cities of the Red Night)
Thomas McGuane, The Bushwhacked Piano
Hubert Selby, The Room

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 14 February 2021 01:52 (three years ago) link

I think The Room is the only Selby novel I've never read. I love The Demon.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 14 February 2021 02:35 (three years ago) link

The Demon starts off great, at a lower pitch of intensity than most of his work, but when the Pope comes into it it goes overboard for me. Selby doesn't have the wider range, but his focus is very sharp. There's more to him than just Last Exit to Brooklyn.

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 14 February 2021 16:52 (three years ago) link

I see I already listed mine way upthread. Since then I've only added one for sure, and that's Against the Day.

But, to put another spin on it, here are the 10 books I've probably reread the most:

The Book of Laughter and Forgetting
Cat’s Eye
Lord of the Rings
Breaking and Entering (Williams)
Northanger Abbey
Nine Tailors (Sayers)
A Wild Sheep Chase
The Comedians (Greene)
Rubicon Beach
The Last Gentleman

Cherish, Monday, 15 February 2021 15:21 (three years ago) link


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