An inquiry into child abuse at Catholic institutions in Ireland has found church leaders knew that sexual abuse was "endemic" in boys' institutions.It also found physical and emotional abuse and neglect were features of institutions.Schools were run "in a severe, regimented manner that imposed unreasonable and oppressive discipline on children and even on staff".The nine-year inquiry investigated a 60-year period.About 35,000 children were placed in a network of reformatories, industrial schools and workhouses up to the 1980s.More than 2,000 told the Commission to Inquire Into Child Abuse they suffered physical and sexual abuse while there.The leader of the Catholic Church in Ireland, Cardinal Sean Brady, said he was "profoundly sorry and deeply ashamed that children suffered in such awful ways in these institutions". Mr Walsh said: "I would have never opened my wounds if I'd known this was going to be the end result."It has devastated me and will devastate most victims because there are no criminal proceedings and no accountability whatsoever."Police were called to the Commission to Inquire Into Child Abuse's news conference in Dublin amid angry scenes as victims were prevented from attending.The victims were among 35,000 children who were placed in a network of reformatories, industrial schools and workhouses until the early 1990s.More than 1,000 people had told the commission they suffered physical and sexual abuse.'Self-serving secrecy'The five-volume study concluded that church officials encouraged ritual beatings and consistently shielded their orders' paedophiles from arrest amid a "culture of self-serving secrecy".The commission found that sexual abuse was "endemic" in boys' institutions, and church leaders knew what was going on. It also found physical and emotional abuse and neglect were rife in some institutions.Schools were run "in a severe, regimented manner that imposed unreasonable and oppressive discipline on children and even on staff".It found the Department of Education had generally dismissed or ignored complaints of child sexual abuse and dealt inadequately with them.As far back as the 1940s, school inspectors reported broken bones and malnourished children but no action was taken.The report proposed 21 ways the Irish government could recognise past wrongs, including building a permanent memorial, providing counselling and education to victims, and improving current child protection services.The leader of the Catholic Church in Ireland, Cardinal Sean Brady, said he was "profoundly sorry and deeply ashamed that children suffered in such awful ways in these institutions". "This report makes it clear that great wrong and hurt were caused to some of the most vulnerable children in our society," he said."It documents a shameful catalogue of cruelty: neglect, physical, sexual and emotional abuse, perpetrated against children."The leader of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, the Most Reverend Vincent Nichols, said those who perpetrated violence and abuse should be held to account, "no matter how long ago it happened"."Every time there is a single incident of abuse in the Catholic Church, it is a scandal. I would be very worried if it wasn't a scandal... I hope these things don't happen again, but I hope they're never a matter of indifference," he said.
It also found physical and emotional abuse and neglect were features of institutions.
Schools were run "in a severe, regimented manner that imposed unreasonable and oppressive discipline on children and even on staff".
The nine-year inquiry investigated a 60-year period.
About 35,000 children were placed in a network of reformatories, industrial schools and workhouses up to the 1980s.
More than 2,000 told the Commission to Inquire Into Child Abuse they suffered physical and sexual abuse while there.
The leader of the Catholic Church in Ireland, Cardinal Sean Brady, said he was "profoundly sorry and deeply ashamed that children suffered in such awful ways in these institutions".
Mr Walsh said: "I would have never opened my wounds if I'd known this was going to be the end result.
"It has devastated me and will devastate most victims because there are no criminal proceedings and no accountability whatsoever."
Police were called to the Commission to Inquire Into Child Abuse's news conference in Dublin amid angry scenes as victims were prevented from attending.
The victims were among 35,000 children who were placed in a network of reformatories, industrial schools and workhouses until the early 1990s.
More than 1,000 people had told the commission they suffered physical and sexual abuse.
'Self-serving secrecy'
The five-volume study concluded that church officials encouraged ritual beatings and consistently shielded their orders' paedophiles from arrest amid a "culture of self-serving secrecy".
The commission found that sexual abuse was "endemic" in boys' institutions, and church leaders knew what was going on.
It also found physical and emotional abuse and neglect were rife in some institutions.
It found the Department of Education had generally dismissed or ignored complaints of child sexual abuse and dealt inadequately with them.
As far back as the 1940s, school inspectors reported broken bones and malnourished children but no action was taken.
The report proposed 21 ways the Irish government could recognise past wrongs, including building a permanent memorial, providing counselling and education to victims, and improving current child protection services.
"This report makes it clear that great wrong and hurt were caused to some of the most vulnerable children in our society," he said.
"It documents a shameful catalogue of cruelty: neglect, physical, sexual and emotional abuse, perpetrated against children."
The leader of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, the Most Reverend Vincent Nichols, said those who perpetrated violence and abuse should be held to account, "no matter how long ago it happened".
"Every time there is a single incident of abuse in the Catholic Church, it is a scandal. I would be very worried if it wasn't a scandal... I hope these things don't happen again, but I hope they're never a matter of indifference," he said.
Victims of child abuse at Catholic institutions in the Irish Republic have expressed anger that a damning report will not bring about prosecutions.The report, nine years in the making and covering a period of six decades, found thousands of boys and girls were terrorised by priests and nuns.Government inspectors failed to stop beatings, rapes and humiliation.John Walsh, of Irish Survivors of Child Abuse, said he felt "cheated and deceived" by the lack of prosecutions.The findings will not be used for criminal prosecutions - in part because the Christian Brothers successfully sued the commission in 2004 to keep the identities of all of its members, dead or alive, unnamed in the report.No real names, whether of victims or perpetrators, appear in the final document.
The report, nine years in the making and covering a period of six decades, found thousands of boys and girls were terrorised by priests and nuns.
Government inspectors failed to stop beatings, rapes and humiliation.
John Walsh, of Irish Survivors of Child Abuse, said he felt "cheated and deceived" by the lack of prosecutions.
The findings will not be used for criminal prosecutions - in part because the Christian Brothers successfully sued the commission in 2004 to keep the identities of all of its members, dead or alive, unnamed in the report.
No real names, whether of victims or perpetrators, appear in the final document.
disgusting that there will be no prosecutions.
some quoteshttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8060333.stm
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 21:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
Abuse report - at a glance
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 21:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
How can this be allowed?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 20 May 2009 23:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
we were poor but we were happy. the celtic tiger ruined our independent state of systematic child abuse that we fought the British to found.
― Local Garda, Thursday, 21 May 2009 01:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
jesus christ the coverage of this is just.... i didn't think i could be upset/affected/surprised by this kind of revelation after the mid 90's, but listening to the radio this morning was an ordeal.
― U2 raped goat (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 May 2009 09:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
The guy representing the victims interviewed outside the Inquiry was awesome, what a mensch
― Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2009 09:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
i'm not certain, but i don't think i saw anything about this on RTE last night. this country needs razing to the fuckin ground if that's the case. it was on BBC, right?
― U2 raped goat (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 May 2009 09:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
And Sky. And Channel 4. And Channel 5. Etc.
― Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2009 09:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
Wow if that's true that's fucked up.
― zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Thursday, 21 May 2009 09:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
i assume youre joking about it not being on RTE as it's had blanket coverage you're fed up of seeing already?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 09:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
if not, what Neil said.
― Local Garda, Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:16 AM (8 hours ago)
sorta lol but mostly sad
― ❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉Plaxico❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉❉ (I know, right?), Thursday, 21 May 2009 09:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
Punish me, I am wicked for thinking this is perfect for a Defend the Indefensible thread
― Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2009 09:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
there was nothing on the 6 o clock rte evning news, i didn't see the 9 o clock news, but i'm pretty sure bbc had interviews etc for the 6.30 news so it can hardly have been a time issue?
― U2 raped goat (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 May 2009 10:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
not a whats on your ipod thread?xp
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 10:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
Nah, it's too horrible for even me to squeeze any giggles out of
― Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2009 10:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
as the actress said to the bishop..
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
As the choirboy said to the bishop
― Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
as the choirboy bashed the bishop
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
were you ever an altar boy, tom?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
What are you implying there?
― Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
I was an altar boy. Thankfully never encountered any paedos, but when you think about the scale of it prob was pretty lucky. I mean not saying every single parish had a paedophile priest in it but eg the parish next to where I grew up in Dublin did.
― Local Garda, Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
All this stuff is basically the biggest reason not to be patriotic and the one thing I want to say anytime Irish people do their "oh we're so fucking great..what a country" thing...
― Local Garda, Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
tbh, the alcoholism and self defeating negativity blamed on absloutely every other country ever, or at least the next county, is the biggest.
― U2 raped goat (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
negativity only refers to matters outside the property market, obv
I was an altar boy, no paedos either thankfully but when we moved to prestwick in '83(and i had long stopped being an altar boy as i didnt want to do it again in another parish where things might be done deliberately), after a few years the parish got a new priest, and a few years after we moved to Hamilton in '91, the daily record had a story about how that priest had been found to have abused kids in the 1970s in Irvine. I dont know if he ever went to jail or anything as he had been shipped off to the home for paedophile priests in canada. Makes you wonder why he got moved to our parish in the first place. I bet they knew what he'd done, and just moved him 5 miles.Makes me hate the church so much more than i already did. Though I feel sorry for the genuine priests , it must really hurt them to get tarred with the same brush. But those who covered it all up are scum and it's disgusting that they never get prosecuted.
I'm staggered that none of the people in this report wont get named or prosecuted. Those who covered it up must run right to the top of the church and government.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
hah, implying nothing, was just asking if you were an altar boy (since most boys at catholic primary school in the west of scotland tend to be altar boys)
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
But you try telling Americans that...
― Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
doesnt just apply to american wannabe irish people
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
most boys at catholic primary school in the west of scotland tend to be altar boys
Really? There were ~200 boys in my primary school and I only remember a couple from every year ever even thinking about it.
I always thought the Christian Brothers aren't/weren't priests.
― go and put your f'kin torn jeans on (onimo), Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
The other thing that doesn't actually bear thinking about is Africa. How many paedophile priests got shipped off as missionaries? I say that as someone whose uncle is a missionary, obviously there are good priests out there, but you can only imagine they must have packed off a load of the worst ones wherever they could, and they could prob get away with a lot more in some parts of the world.
x-post I think the Christian Brothers were priests. The other thing is as well as sexual abuse, physical punishment was rife in the schools. Even my Dad would say today some of the brothers were sadistic fuckers.
― Local Garda, Thursday, 21 May 2009 13:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
onimo, at my primary schools almost all of them were (mind you, they werent very big schools, so that might explain it). If i had grown up in Hamilton it may have been different as the catholic schools here are huge ,as it happened the place i lived in where i was an altar boy was a wee village 5 miles outside hamilton only a couple of miles from Larkhall.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
My mum got a scholarship to a school run by nuns in Bothwell, and she says they were all lovely kind people. A few of them you might be a bit scared of like you would with any teacher, but on the whole they were really nice. She says it wasnt like convent schools are stereotyped as.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
at my secondary school in Ayr, i'd bet less than half of the school ever went to mass. Most of us only went as our mum (in my case) or dads went. My dad isnt a catholic and generally doesnt have much time for religions.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
About 4 people in my year at school went to priests college, none of them made it to the end.
My grandfather went to a Christian Brothers place in or around Derry and told me there were a few nasty bastards there but it was all physical/corporal punishment rather than sexual abuse as far as he knew. That would have been sometime around 1915-25 I think.
I had always thought "Brother" = "Layman working for the church" - though I'm sure priests were involved in the running of the organisation and in the covering up of the abuse.
― go and put your f'kin torn jeans on (onimo), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
The other thing that doesn't actually bear thinking about is Africa. How many paedophile priests got shipped off as missionaries?
i hadn't even thought of that. It's just scary to think about.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
x-post yeah you may be right that they weren't priests, I'm not sure actually myself. I think my Dad would have had similar experience as your Grandad, corporal punishment seems to have been common in the day schools. I suppose it was boarding schools and orphanages etc where the sexual abuse went on. The really horrible part about it is that it was almost like a ripple effect from the state having such weird religiously tainted ways of dealing with orphans/kids born out of wedlock etc etc...
― Local Garda, Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
My grandfather left Belfast when he was 6 months old in 1899. He died when I was 3 months old. I assume he had relatives in the south, i hate the thought of anyone going to those places.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-60996841.html
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
damn you need an account to read it
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
The really horrible part about it is that it was almost like a ripple effect from the state having such weird religiously tainted ways of dealing with orphans/kids born out of wedlock etc etc...
― Local Garda, Thursday, 21 May 2009 15:10 (9 minutes ago) Bookmark
what was amazing to me was it wasn't just orphans and kids born out of wedlock, but if a kid just skipped school he might end up being sent to an industrial school. they were run as moneymaking scams, taking big sums from the govt and spending the minimum on care, and they had a constant appetite for new recruits. so when there were insufficient orphans, so they went around inventing reasons to take kids in.
― joe, Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
but it's about how the bishop covered up about the priest i mentioned upthread
what was amazing to me was it wasn't just orphans and kids born out of wedlock, but if a kid just skipped school he might end up being sent to an industrial school.
Indeed, the judiciary were as culpable as the Church and various governments which, uhhhhhhh, doesn't leave much
― Dante ... Bruno . Vico .. Passantino (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
no wonder names have been kept out of it and there's no prosecutions.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
christian brothers sued for anonymity in the report
going back a few years, the church have paid 100m to the govt, in return for complete indmenity against all further compensation claims. ie- the taxpayer will pay for most of these cases.
cardinals have resigned due to the public uncovering of their lack of co-operation with legal investigations, using canon/church law as an excuse.
i'm glad i was never religious to begin with.
― U2 raped goat (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
i can't believe more than one of yous was an altar boy! You dorks.
― languid samuel l. jackson (jim), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
you weren't one?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
i bet you were an altar boy at st john the baptists in uddingston but you just dont want to admit it.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 21 May 2009 14:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
i was forced to go to church until i was 13 so i went to st johns + st brides in bothwell every Sunday but i never wanted to be an altar boy and we used to make fun of the altar boys for being religious.
― languid samuel l. jackson (jim), Thursday, 21 May 2009 15:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
douglas adam lols
― illiterate mods are killing ilx (darraghmac), Friday, 17 September 2010 15:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
"Any entity – no matter how many tentacles it has – has a soul."
Has Paul der Orakel-Krake had an audience with the Holy Father yet? If he meets Bono, he'd meet anyone surely.
― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Friday, 17 September 2010 15:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
the vatican observatory is a totally amazing place btw. they run a summer school every year and it's basically the top 20 young astronomers in the world, and these people go on to do great things. so there's that. still, bunch of kiddy-fiddlers.
― caek, Friday, 17 September 2010 15:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
how many tentacles does god have, i wonder
― illiterate mods are killing ilx (darraghmac), Friday, 17 September 2010 15:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
― ledge, Friday, 17 September 2010 15:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
Oh yeah, about those terrorists that were arrested: based on an overheard conversation that could be construed as a threat, no proof whatsoever has been found, police bracing themselves for when they let them in without charge. Expect "hey, we didn't chase them in plainclothes with guns and shoot them seven times in the head when they ran away this time, you should be grateful we've improved so much" excuses.
http://guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/17/pope-visit-terror-police-arrests-street-cleaners
― StanM, Saturday, 18 September 2010 06:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
For "in" read "go" (thx, phone spell help)
― StanM, Saturday, 18 September 2010 06:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
this roscommon incest/abuse/neglect case has me in bits. nasty, sinister links to right-wing catholic group preventing social wervices intervention. jesus it's too early to be reading this shit.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/mother-from-hell-is-guilty-of-incest-1609693.html
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Friday, 29 October 2010 05:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
“Article 411. 1° The State recognises the Family as the natural primary and fundamental unit group of Society, and as a moral institution possessing inalienable and imprescriptible rights, antecedent and superior to all positive law.2° The State, therefore, guarantees to protect the Family in its constitution and authority, as the necessary basis of social order and as indispensable to the welfare of the Nation and the State.”
cheers lads, thanks for that
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Friday, 29 October 2010 05:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
… what are those rights supposed to be?
― j., Friday, 29 October 2010 05:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
synopsised details/timeline here. detached but unpleasant reading, be warned.
how can anyone stand over this. 16 fucking years of it.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Friday, 29 October 2010 05:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
j. that vagueness would probably have been very deliberate.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Friday, 29 October 2010 05:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
there's vagueness and then there's absolute opacity.
― j., Friday, 29 October 2010 06:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
what else are you supposed to do in roscommon?
― richard move (buzza), Friday, 29 October 2010 06:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
gtfo out of roscommon. see 'worst irish county' thread for confirmation of that i guess.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Saturday, 30 October 2010 13:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
worse case coming
god help me but i have a feeling this one, which apparently will be the nadir of irish state child protection revelations, involved kids that i went to school with.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Monday, 1 November 2010 00:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
A 1997 letter from the Vatican warned Ireland's Catholic bishops not to report all suspected child-abuse cases to police — a disclosure that victims' groups described as "the smoking gun" needed to show that the church enforced a worldwide culture of covering up crimes by pedophile priests.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/01/18/world/europe/AP-EU-Ireland-Catholic-Abuse.html?_r=1&src=twt&twt=nytimes&pagewanted=print
― gr8080, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
documentary on creepy irish pedo-priest and the church that helped him
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7745088455537169028#
― am0n, Sunday, 20 February 2011 19:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
Is there a more general "The Catholic Church is a bunch of fucking perverts" thread?
Vatican confirms report of sexual abuse and rape of nuns by priests in 23 countries
Most of the abuse has occurred in Africa, where priests vowed to celibacy, who previously sought out prostitutes, have preyed on nuns to avoid contracting the Aids virus.Confidential Vatican reports obtained by the National Catholic Reporter, a weekly magazine in the US, have revealed that members of the Catholic clergy have been exploiting their financial and spiritual authority to gain sexual favours from nuns, particularly those from the Third World who are more likely to be culturally conditioned to be subservient to men.The reports, some of which are recent and some of which have been in circulation for at least seven years, said that such priests had demanded sex in exchange for favours, such as certification to work in a given diocese.In extreme instances, the priests had made nuns pregnant and then encouraged them to have abortions.The US article was based on five documents, which senior women from religious orders and priests have presented to the Vatican over the past decade. They describe a particularly bad situation in Africa. In a continent devastated by Aids, nuns, along with early adolescent girls, are perceived by some as safe sexual targets. The reports said that the church authorities had done little to tackle the problem.The Vatican reports cited countless cases of nuns forced to have sex with priests. Some were obliged to take the pill, others became pregnant and were encouraged to have abortions. In one case in which an African sister was forced to have an abortion, she died during the operation and her aggressor led the funeral mass. Another case involved 29 sisters from the same congregation who all became pregnant to priests in the diocese.
Confidential Vatican reports obtained by the National Catholic Reporter, a weekly magazine in the US, have revealed that members of the Catholic clergy have been exploiting their financial and spiritual authority to gain sexual favours from nuns, particularly those from the Third World who are more likely to be culturally conditioned to be subservient to men.
The reports, some of which are recent and some of which have been in circulation for at least seven years, said that such priests had demanded sex in exchange for favours, such as certification to work in a given diocese.
In extreme instances, the priests had made nuns pregnant and then encouraged them to have abortions.
The US article was based on five documents, which senior women from religious orders and priests have presented to the Vatican over the past decade. They describe a particularly bad situation in Africa. In a continent devastated by Aids, nuns, along with early adolescent girls, are perceived by some as safe sexual targets. The reports said that the church authorities had done little to tackle the problem.
The Vatican reports cited countless cases of nuns forced to have sex with priests. Some were obliged to take the pill, others became pregnant and were encouraged to have abortions. In one case in which an African sister was forced to have an abortion, she died during the operation and her aggressor led the funeral mass. Another case involved 29 sisters from the same congregation who all became pregnant to priests in the diocese.
― Du Musst Calamari Werden (Phil D.), Thursday, 24 February 2011 19:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm guessing if there is a general "The Catholic Church is a bunch of fucking perverts" thread this will already have been posted on it, but if not here is an amazingly wtf report on paedophilia in the church from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops:
http://mirandaceleste.net/2011/05/24/a-worthless-and-dangerous-report/
including the definition of paedophilia they're working with:
"Media reports about Catholic priests who sexually abused minors often mistakenly have referred to priests as pedophiles. According to the DSM IV-TR, pedophilia is characterized by fantasies, urges, or behaviors about sexual activity with a prepubescent child that occurs for a significant period of time. Yet, the Nature and Scope data indicated that nearly four out of five minors abused were at least eleven years old at the time of the abuse. Though development happens at varying ages for children, the literature generally refers to eleven and older as an age of pubescence or postpubescence (53)."
nah we ain't paedophiles we only have sex with eleven-year-olds.
― Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 29 May 2011 15:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
ya but they're just sayin in fairness
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Sunday, 29 May 2011 17:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
damning reports released yesterday in relation to the systemic cover-up of abuse in the cloyne diocese in cork.
www.irishtimes.com will get the info if that's your thing.
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 July 2011 15:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
In the US, some of the money the church collected ostensibly for charitable causes was diverted to their own legal defense. Beyond revolting.
― Lee626, Thursday, 14 July 2011 15:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
nice to see the church taking it seriously at last
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0718/breaking9.html
'Congregations are, undrrstandably, unclear as to why they should be held responsible for the costs of the Ryan Commission etc'
^ seriously
'despite warnings from the congregation...that the nature of the scheme (claims for compensation of abuse victims) would inevitably attract many more. Yet we, the religious are being held responsible for this miscalculation'
Fair enough lads, sorry that ye abused more kids than ye were letting on in 2002, our bad huh.
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Monday, 18 July 2011 09:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
american churches also buy sex abuse insurance
― little mushroom person (abanana), Monday, 18 July 2011 09:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
are these fuckos really for real?
But Bishop Connors said not even revelations by Detective Sergeant Kevin Carson that 26 young men had killed themselves after being abused by priests and brothers in Ballarat convinced him that more would be learnt from an inquiry.''I think we've learnt a lot of things about what is appropriate … [and] not appropriate behaviour,'' Bishop Connors said.''I think people are very well informed nowadays as to what's inappropriate approaches from a male.''While conceding the abuse of children was wrong, he said that in the past it had not always been clear to everyone what was inappropriate behaviour.''In the past a lot of ignorance was there on the part of lots of people. Parents didn't understand, sometimes bishops didn't understand. We have no excuse now.''As to whether there was an excuse when Ridsdale and Best were abusing boys, Bishop Connors said he did not know.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/suicide-inquiry-wont-shed-light-bishop-20110802-1i9yc.html#ixzz1VCEyRsHt
― ledge, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 13:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think we're clear now, lads? Are we all clear now? Grand lads, we'll leave it at that so. Thanks lads.
― 10/11 of a dead jesus (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 13:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yes - he raped a nine-year-old in his office, and the boy thought he was going to die. His monstrosities spanned twenty years and he's hardly an isolated case, but that's all in the past now. We can't really live in the past.
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 14:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Seriously how can some of these bishops sleep at night with the bullshit paving-over they do, they should read Luke 17:2 and then buy millstones in bulk
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 14:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
tbf they probably knew luke back-to-front when they were taking the exams, but cmon how often do you dip into yr sleevenotes from 'get your wings' nowadays?
― 10/11 of a dead jesus (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 August 2011 14:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
This can't possibly be . . . I mean, can I just . . . what the everloving fuck?
The Catholic Church's leading exorcist priest asserts that a Vatican employee's daughter thought to be buried in a mob boss's tomb was kidnapped for Vatican sex parties, reports Nick Pisa of the Daily Mail.Father Gabriel Amorth, who was ordained in 1954 and has carried out more than 70,000 exorcisms, made the claim to Italian newspaper La Stampa as police examine the contents of mobster Enrico De Pedis's tomb for clues about the 1983 disappearance of 15-year-old Emanuela Orlandi.Father Amorth, 85, noted that an archivist at the Vatican previously admitted to recruiting girls for parties and told La Stampa newspaper the he believes that Orlandi "ended up in this circle" and that the "case of sexual exploitation" led to her murder followed by "the hiding of her body," according to the Daily Mail.Father Amorth also said that "diplomatic staff from a foreign embassy to the Holy See" were also involved.Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/catholic-churchs-chief-exorcist-priest-says-missing-girl-kidnapped-for-vatican-sex-parties-2012-5?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+%28Business+Insider%29#ixzz1vbqavGLg
Father Gabriel Amorth, who was ordained in 1954 and has carried out more than 70,000 exorcisms, made the claim to Italian newspaper La Stampa as police examine the contents of mobster Enrico De Pedis's tomb for clues about the 1983 disappearance of 15-year-old Emanuela Orlandi.
Father Amorth, 85, noted that an archivist at the Vatican previously admitted to recruiting girls for parties and told La Stampa newspaper the he believes that Orlandi "ended up in this circle" and that the "case of sexual exploitation" led to her murder followed by "the hiding of her body," according to the Daily Mail.
Father Amorth also said that "diplomatic staff from a foreign embassy to the Holy See" were also involved.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/catholic-churchs-chief-exorcist-priest-says-missing-girl-kidnapped-for-vatican-sex-parties-2012-5?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+%28Business+Insider%29#ixzz1vbqavGLg
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:38 (11 months ago) Permalink
that is a lot of exorcisms even for 58 years
― Serov devochka s persikami (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:55 (11 months ago) Permalink
4 a day
he sounds nuts tbph
do the vatican even acknowledge/name exorcists?
― pet tommy & the barkhaters (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:00 (11 months ago) Permalink
Some of those exorcisms were probably pretty casual, just a quick flick of holy water, a "the power of christ compels you" and boom, off to the next one. You can hammer out a couple dozen a day.
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:02 (11 months ago) Permalink
i'd reckon he's counting multiple demons in a single host there too, there's a lotta fat in those figures for sure.
'legion, i cast thee OUT'
*enters '30' into ledger, snickers, heads for golf course*
― pet tommy & the barkhaters (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:04 (11 months ago) Permalink
Yes the Vatican appoints exorcists. It is an option for Catholics, generally a last resort. Skepticism regarding exorcism is acceptable, IME.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Bulgarian Tourist Chamber (Mount Cleaners), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:23 (11 months ago) Permalink
i know they appoint em, but i dunno do they ever get named or acknowledged (ie i'd be kinda sceptical about this guy being 'that exorcist priest everyone knows about')
― pet tommy & the barkhaters (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:25 (11 months ago) Permalink
Gabriele Amorth (born 1 May 1925) is an Italian Roman Catholic priest and an exorcist of the Diocese of Rome who claims to have cleansed tens of thousands of people of evil spirits. Controversially, he believes that practising yoga is satanic and that both it and JK Rowling's Harry Potter books lead to evil.
― pet tommy & the barkhaters (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:26 (11 months ago) Permalink
good start
In 1990, he founded the International Association of Exorcists and was president until he retired, at 75, in the year 2000. He is now honorary president for life of the association.[3]
Amorth's favorite film is The Exorcist. He thinks that it is substantially exact and based on a true story, although the special effects are exaggerated. In an interview with the London Sunday Telegraph that Father Gabriele Amorth stressed that "People need to know what we do.
― pet tommy & the barkhaters (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:27 (11 months ago) Permalink
yes, yes, go on
ps he only started exorcisms in 1986 nakh
What even more hilarious is how the even the comments section for that story devolves into an anti/pro Obama dust-up.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 03:23 (11 months ago) Permalink
and JK Rowling's Harry Potter books lead to evil.
feeling this
― melodic yew (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 07:40 (11 months ago) Permalink
Wow, I'm lost for words.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/23/cardinal-keith-o-brien-accused-inappropriate
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Saturday, 23 February 2013 21:40 (2 months ago) Permalink
Gonna need our own Scottish thread soonhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-21715473
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 8 March 2013 17:55 (2 months ago) Permalink
hardly, 20 is appendix-to-the-irish numbers at best, maybe just change thread title to 'celtic'
― i don't have to be fair, i'm *right* (darraghmac), Friday, 8 March 2013 17:56 (2 months ago) Permalink
most in this thread are scottish anyway right enough
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 8 March 2013 18:04 (2 months ago) Permalink
I do wonder if the floodgates are going to open though
If the experience of the church in other countries is any indication, you ain't seen nuthin' yet.
― Aimless, Friday, 8 March 2013 18:15 (2 months ago) Permalink