HEY JEWS

much better than the artists they've shared the stage with, or the films they've contributed songs to

Hadag Nahash are great, yes, go see them.

zohan is good! it's adam sandler's MUNICH.

thought about posting this on the fake jews thread but anyway this book looks really cool
http://www.jewishreviewofbooks.com/publications/detail/what-a-friend-we-have-in-jesus

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F50E11FC3F5C11738DDDAE0994D1405B8885F0D3

In the Temple Israel of Harlem Dr. M. H. Harris delivered a lecture last night on "The Influence of Good Wishes." The sermon to-day will be on "The Jewish Question." This morning's topics at some of the other principal places of worship will be: Temple Beth-El. Fifth Avenue and Seventy-sixth Street, "The Larger Life and Larger Visions," (in English;) West End. "Sunshine and Shade": Atereth Israel, in East Eighty-second Street. "Individual Contributions for a Prosperous Year"; Temple Emanu-El. Fifth Avenue and Forty-fourth Street. "The New Era."

HEY JEWS I JUST JOINED THE JCC WHAT MORE DO I GOTTA DO C'MON

I mean xpost to Mordy but hey I'm gettin' real now; they had to adjust the membership camera for a 5'11 person I mean I'm sorry I'm tall but let me be one of you.

For real I should post the pick because aside from the tall I promise I could pass! I've been told so by REAL JEWS.

pick=pic, also it has been decided by some real jew friends that I can't pass not b/c of the tall but b/c my nose has not been "fixed" true story yo

Why do suburban reform/conservative jew girls take nose jobs as a thing idgi. Does this happen in orthodox communities (Mordy? Help me out here)?

Also I am on prednisone in an attempt to get my back problems in order so please ignore me I am wired. No don't b/c I really would like thought on jewish body image stuff.

nose jobs not such a big thing in ortho communities. have u read pynchon's V? big chapter on jewish nose jobs.

"Have I told you, fella
She's got the sweetest columella
And a septum that's swept 'em all on their ass;
Each casual chondrectomy
Meant only a big fat check to me
Till I sawed this osteoclastible lass

not sure how common it is in any jewish community in 2012 tbh.

Oh damn, I have not read V, but it is now on my short list.

I can reel off so many nose jobs that I figured they were a widespread cultural thing idunno. But yeah, noses are a thing at the JCC in DCMetroarea.

i just realized that you might've been literally asking why jewish women would get nose jobs (i had initially read your question as more like: 'i can't believe ppl are willing to do this to themselves!'). there's a lot of racial baggage about jews and noses - particularly assertions that they are genetically predisposed to having large noses. i remember reading this in school:

All the children raise their hands. The teacher calls on Karl Scholz, a small lad in the front row. “We have talked about how to recognize the Jews.”

“Good. Say more!”

Little Karl reaches for the pointer, steps up to the board and points at the drawings.

“One can most easily tell a Jew by his nose. The Jewish nose is bent at its point. It looks like the number six. We call it the Jewish six. Many non-Jews also have bent noses. But their noses bend upwards, not downwards. Such a nose is a hook nose or an eagle nose. It is not at all like a Jewish nose.”

there's tons of anti-Semitic cartoons that prominently feature a caricature with a large hooked nose. i'm not sure how common jewish nose jobs still are, but at one point in america they were very common. i think they generally indicate someone who feels they look too Jewish and wants to pass - which is why they're afaik virtually non-existent in the orthodox community (who aren't trying to pass).

would it be unkind to say that anyone seeking a rhinoplasty to dissimulate their ethnicity in america in 2012 is a pusillanimous fool

unkind but fair. u should go to war with the nose you have, not the nose you wish you had

this is my favourite nose

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nose_%28Gogol%29

i don't remember it having any antisemitic elements

ironically the one time gogol wasn't a raving anti-semite

probably all the c19th russian greats were at least somewhat antisemitic

gogol at least had the excuse of being completely insane

has anyone heard anything about this? http://www.amazon.com/The-Genealogical-Science-Epistemology-Practices/dp/0226201406

i kinda really want to read it, but i'm nervous about it...

I vaguely recall reading something about that, somewhere.

In other jew news: I bought some challah today.

Mordy, I remember reading about some genetic study of Kohens (Cohen, Cohn, Kohn, etc...) worldwide and how many of them could actually trace themselves back to a single ancestor, presumably Aaron.

pretty sure they all go back to the coen brothers

the coen fathers

Yeah- I read a decent book about Jewish genetics a couple years ago called something like Abraham's Children. This book seems more about interrogating the discursive elements of genetics rather than the scientific corpus. I think Jewish discussions of hereditary inheritance are kinda ripe targets for criticism, so maybe unfairly I worry that this book will be polemical. I really hate that shalom sand book, tangentially.

I would almost guarantee that book will be at least subtly polemical.

That's what worries me, especially bc often what is being covertly discussed when you talk about Jewish genetics is political (particularly wrt Israel). I find it really offensive when someone explains to me that my ancestors were importers (cf sand).

yeah even reading that synopsis i was 'waiting for it'

who says our ancestors were importers???

On an unrelated note my copy of Herschel's 'on prophets' just came in. I'm really excited to read it

I mean her other major book is about Jewish claims to Israeli land.

Which is not to say that her work is not legitimate, I just think it's an example of how "exposing" the political motives behind something can also a political move.

Sorry zing typo meant "imposters" xp

Like you know, the subtext sort of strikes me as "Judaism is a CONSTRUCTED identity," and then there's no accompanying caveat on how maybe so is Palestinian, Arab, White, African-American, British, Italian, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I think Jewish claims to Israel based on ancient ties are about as silly as anything.

Part of the tension here is that genetics are incredibly important to Ashkenazi Jewishness beyond just inheritance wrt genetic disorders, testing, etc. Forward for instance has a yearly Genetics supplement so it's not like this is all bullshit eugenics constructed identity stuff. It's also life and death stuff ppl deal w daily

All identity is constructed! Do we really think that any king's lineage is 100% reliable?!

It's all about street cred in the ghetto.

Ok taking this thread in another direction appropriate for SHABBAT . . .

I'd love to hear experiences/thoughts on shabbat observance/non-observance. Did you grow up with any Shabbat observance? Do you do anything special for Shabbat now? Or is it just another day/no biggie?

used to grow up with candles/family dinner.

as with all jewish observance, i dont do nothin now

Did you like the candles/dinner thing, or did you resent it? Do you find yourself drawn to that idea now, or not at all?

Did you grow up with any Shabbat observance?

My family is observant, so full blown Shabbos observance.

Do you do anything special for Shabbat now? Or is it just another day/no biggie?

Obviously I'm not totally observant, but we go out for Shabbos meals about once a week and host them ourselves. We also go to shul every few weeks or so. We like the social aspects a lot, but not the restrictions so much. I would never work on Shabbos.

Did you like the candles/dinner thing, or did you resent it? Do you find yourself drawn to that idea now, or not at all?

― quincie, Friday, May 11, 2012 7:20 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i was fine with it, and i still am, but its not my thing

http://www.out.com/entertainment/music/2012/05/15/y-love-yitz-jordan-hip-hop-jewish-gay

i've interviewed yitz for profiles / traveling in overlapping social circles with him over the years so it's nice to hear the news

x-post-

I grew up with the candles/dinner thing then got away from it. Then I did again while my son was young until he was Bar Mitzvahed, then I got away from it again. I have worked some Saturday mornings, and my son frequently has had ballgames on Shabbat.

every time i see the title of this thread now i think of the louis ck schindler's list "GOODBYE JEWS" bit anyone know what im talking about

haha yes

yes, def!

OMG googled it, in tears

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