A clear statement about mod actions on 77

Rather than extend the KIP thread which is pretty much meandering all over the place, i thought i'd just start this here, and hopefully we can keep it pretty much on topic. i figure we should just establish how 77 is going to be dealt with from here on out so that we dont have any questions of mod transparency or mixed signals or whatever. having discussed it with the other mods, i wont be making 77 public again (although to clarify, it was set to ungoogleable for the entire time it was public). part of the reason i did that was to clarify the fact that it was not 100% zingy meta for ilxers that hadn't seen it, and part of the reason i did was, to be fair, because a few of y'all pushed me to the end of my rope, and i couldn't figure out how to lock the board. might not be the most mature reaction, but some of you dudes get pretty infuriating when you get all board lawyery and entitled about shit.

anyway, now that the dust has settled, i want to kind of make the future clear (and any other mods can feel free to correct me or add to this, but i think we are on the same page at this point.) lots of people dont want 77 to exist or would prefer it wasn't secret. the people who are on 77 (for the most part) want it to keep going as it is. i am not going to take a side on this, because both groups of you have your reasons. the only way for this to get resolved is to be clear that from this point out, any sniping or zinging or reposting of a non-77 poster gets you an irreversible ban and removal from 77, even if it is jokey or meant positively or affectionately or whatever. people have complained that they don't know who is or isn't on 77, but the truth is, if you aren't sure that they are (ie have actually seen them post there), don't post about them.

to reassure the people that are opposed to 77 and secret boards, this will be done diligently. to reassure the people on 77, this is the only fair way for you to keep your board, and no one intends to go all vendetta or look for excuses to "get" people.

Hopefully, this can be the end of all of this. If the situation changes, things can change accordingly.

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Oh, to be popular enough that people talked behind my back - sigh :-(

any sniping or zinging or reposting of a non-77 poster gets you an irreversible ban and removal from 77

So can we have a list of who is on 77 then?

people have complained that they don't know who is or isn't on 77, but the truth is, if you aren't sure that they are (ie have actually seen them post there), don't post about them.

So does that mean, for instance, the "dat nigga delmar" poll would have led to the banning of who started it?

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This, I mean.

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Can I get a 77 unban then, if only to potentially save the 77 existence of people who may veer from the straight and narrow? I'm cool if I can't, just that there'll probably be some kind of aberration, which I wouldn't mind personally, but which would necessitate a 77 permaban according to these rules.

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tuomas is on 77 iirc so there's that.

And yeah, I do appreciate that it was for this very crime that I was given the chop.

hahahaha to lj

Actually while we're about it, can I get readded to 77 under this username? I'd hate for anyone to get banned for making a scarf/fat girl/fantastic music writer zing in the interim

lj will last ten minutes if you unban him. i say go for it.

(thanks for the post, btw, JJ)

"(fantastic [music writer) zing]"

:( caek have some faith!

oh wait you do have faith

Hate to break up the amicus curiae action here but seeing as you aren't supposed to be indulging in meta sniping on any of the boards at all, secret or otherwise, it shouldn't actually matter whether the poster in question is on 77. Just saying like.

But it's not just sniping...it's sniping or zinging or reposting, the latter two of which are fine on the other boards.

They're fine on other boards because everyone can see them without needing a special invitation.

seeing as you aren't supposed to be indulging in meta sniping on any of the boards at all

ok waht!????!!11!??!

i get the idea that it's better to avoid race- and sexuality-based attacks a la tombot, but ilx is and has always been about 25% meta sniping.

and you're hardly above it yourself matt!

They're fine on other boards because everyone can see them without needing a special invitation.

― HI DERE, Monday, 2 February 2009 16:50 (15 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

So the mods want to see Ask Chaki back then?

They're fine on other boards because everyone can see them without needing a special invitation.

― HI DERE, Monday, February 2, 2009 11:50 AM (1 minute ago)

which is why it's ok in theory to zing another 77er, cos s/he can see it

irreversible ban

overdoing it imo, that should be saved for people spamming the board or doing something way, way out of bounds. maybe do it like 'roids in baseball, 1st offense is a month then ratchet it up from there.

i think irreversible bans will just lead to really long meta threads, which i personally love but i know the mods hate, or claim to--i think the original policy of moving those threads to ile, or even just temp banning posters from 77, is way less likely to result in clusterfucks

i think JJ has been fair, clear and consistent (and ridiculously patient).

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Are you trying to say K3vin is a foxy librarian? xpost

Oh Iiii get it now.

i dun get it but ill take foxy librarian

Look at the image url

o lol

aw man 77 was open and free for a day and I missed it

It was like missing a lost episode of "According to Jim".

http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2008/02/JIM%20BELOOSH.jpg

irreversible ban

overdoing it imo, that should be saved for people spamming the board or doing something way, way out of bounds. maybe do it like 'roids in baseball, 1st offense is a month then ratchet it up from there.

― bnw, Monday, February 2, 2009 5:02 PM (3 hours ago)

to make sure this is clear, im talking irreversible bans from 77, not ILX as a whole.

i think irreversible bans will just lead to really long meta threads, which i personally love but i know the mods hate, or claim to--i think the original policy of moving those threads to ile, or even just temp banning posters from 77, is way less likely to result in clusterfucks

― max, Monday, February 2, 2009 5:10 PM (3 hours ago)

77 issues in general have led to long meta clusterfuck threads, no matter if it is moving threads to ILE or whatever. the specificity of the rule here should make that less common.

So does that mean, for instance, the "dat nigga delmar" poll would have led to the banning of who started it?

― Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics), Monday, February 2, 2009 4:35 PM (4 hours ago)

in all honesty, probably not, because i have no idea what the hell that was about in the first place. if it was about some ilx poster i have never heard of, then yeah, it would be banworthy under these rules.

dom was just trolling you (shocker)

77 issues in general have led to long meta clusterfuck threads, no matter if it is moving threads to ILE or whatever. the specificity of the rule here should make that less common.

i really, really doubt that. this is the first time that moving a thread has led to a giant meta thread, and you have to admit that at least half the clusterfuck was about making 77 public and not about moving the thread. temp-banning lj from 77 didnt lead to anything, did it? i mean imagine whats going to happen if someone perma-bans ethan or dom or joe from 77, you know?

yeah immediate perma ban seems excessive imo

also, for clarification, is there any wiggle room here at all? if a burt_stanton or captain lorax jr. shows up next week and isn't added too 77 are we not allowed to re-post to something like "this fucking guy"?

also what if someone on ile makes a comment about bacon? can that post be used as a discussion jump off in the fronting about bacon thread on 77?

God this is getting so tedious I'd almost advocate shutting the whole thing down. It's not like there aren't loads of other identical white sub-boards to post on.

(Disclaimer - not official mod standpoint)

I Love Meta would be such a useful board - all posters would know their one stop shop for potential shit talk. there could even be labels so you wouldn't have to scan all threads to see if someone re-posted one of your challenging opinions

"What happens if I'm talking about a zebra and there happens to be a poster I've never heard of called A Zebra who isn't on 77 and I get banned forever for meta?"

when 77 started didn't curtis say "hey it was just an experiment and we were gonna make it public at some point anyway"

I knew everyone was gonna be invited eventually, but not-public is still impt when talking about private stuff u don't want people googling

I'm going to point out YET AGAIN that 77 has never been googlable.

Spelling mistakes, reading incomprehension...time for ILXSAT

the solution is just to invite these ppl to 77 instead of making the threads public innit? I mean I don't want to make that canon w/o other people's consent but that seems more palatable

You've only said it a dozen times, it hasn't had a chance to sink in yet. xxpost

77 could still be public and non-googlable

I think excluding ppl from 77 is a very non-77 sentiment

the solution is just to invite these ppl to 77 instead of making the threads public innit? I mean I don't want to make that canon w/o other people's consent but that seems more palatable

Hey, please join our board so you can see all of the shit we've been saying about you!

excluding people is the point of a secret board!

it was supposed to be about smash mouth

ok lol

EPIC FAIL

nicole are you on 77?

the thing abt 77 is you cant lock it cause theres threads that people want to keep and you cant make it public cause their/there/theyre was an initial promise of privacy and people posted accordingly - this situation was created by ilx admin/mods and now they are having a hard time dealing w/the consequences of their actions

do you guys know how 77 was started? I found a bunch of secret boards that ILXors didn't know about and started a poll about it on noise board. then stet gchatted w/me about it to make sure I wasn't like hacking into ILX or anything. then he made a board for me as a joke and I posted on it then a few days later invited a few people and told them to invite whoever they wanted. That's what 77 is about.

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tell me the one about the rabbits.

the irony is that 77 is the ONLY secret board on ILX that DOESN'T exclude anyone

in theory, not necessarily in practice

lots of people dont want 77 to exist or would prefer it wasn't secret. the people who are on 77 (for the most part) want it to keep going as it is.

― CLAPSOCK (John Justen), Monday, February 2, 2009 11:27 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the idea that people who want to shut something down and the people who are using and enjoying hold equal sway in the argument is some pretty idiotic thinking - i mean im sure i speak of all secret 77s when i say we all want ilm destroyed immediately cause it insults our delicate sensibilities

do u know how world war I was started? somebody shot some fat dweeb name archduke ferdinand

END THE MADNESS TOO MANY HAVE DYED

"let go"

lots of people dont want Moderator Discussion Forum to exist or would prefer it wasn't secret. the people who are on Moderator Discussion Forum (for the most part) want it to keep going as it is.

if anyone is mentioned on moderator discussion forum they should instantly be made a mod

where are these mythical beasts who don't want 77 to exist?

SHOW YRSELVES

Nobody makes such a big fuss about Happy Robots borad. Now that's where all the real shit talking happens.

where are these mythical beasts who don't want 77 to exist?

SHOW YRSELVES

― Edward III, Tuesday, February 3, 2009 10:47 AM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the solution is just to invite these ppl to 77 instead of making the threads public innit? I mean I don't want to make that canon w/o other people's consent but that seems more palatable

Hey, please join our board so you can see all of the shit we've been saying about you!

― Nicolars (Nicole), Tuesday, February 3, 2009 10:35 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

they are totally negative meta not hppy robots imo

how do i shot secret borad/?

i don't want 77 to exist

i am a griffin

I don't really care one way or another whether the board exists or not. The discussion is funny though.

happy robots is my favorite board on ILX, but I'd rather not know what's actually there b/c it's probably just a few threads by keith's friends that have nothing to do w/ILXor

i don't want 77 to exist. i am a (check one):

griffin
macguffin
basilisk
goo goo muck

"the folks who don't like the idea of secret clubs would be able to post to 77 if they want to" is a recipe for lots of feebs shitting everything up.

― display name fatigue (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, February 3, 2009 4:02 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Rolling list posters who don't care about 77 but frequently post to and read a thread discussing it:

Trayce
Nicole

let's go down this path and see how many people get banned

how much do you really care about neo-burlesque? xp

dom that is the sort of attitude that is causing the problem here

there are a lot of different attitudes that are causing problems here, doms isnt the only one

he is a fucking piece of work though.

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77 SHOULD BE SELF-INVITE

but the invite link should be somewhere obscure - like at the bottom of the admin log

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cause the cool thing abt 77 is no nubes - u can start a music thread w/o a thousand blogstans jumping on it - just keep the nubes off

this important concept would render draconian banning policies unnecessary and allow the ilx supreme court to be free of all bord litigation they hate hate hate so much

existence of 77 itself is like whatev, but it is fun when you all come spilling out of your boys fort to DEFEND SECRET KINGDOM

it's really an effort for me to be typing these words, I must really be dedicated.

ice cr?m do you mean nubians? i'm appalled

it's more fun when the mods come spilling out of their boys fort to attack our secret kingdom. Together we be like Little Rascals or somethin

cause the cool thing abt 77 is no nubes
cause the cool thing abt 77 is no nubes
cause the cool thing abt 77 is no nubes
cause the cool thing abt 77 is no nubes
cause the cool thing abt 77 is no nubes
cause the cool thing abt 77 is no nubes
cause the cool thing abt 77 is no nubes

o shit i just revealed the secret racist agenda of 77 on ile :O - damn u site new answers

i too am appalled