what the hell is wrong with these people
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:10 (4 years ago) Permalink
Abbott to thread.
― Too Into Dancing to Argue (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:10 (4 years ago) Permalink
(she hates these morons)
― Too Into Dancing to Argue (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:11 (4 years ago) Permalink
what is this about?
― ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:11 (4 years ago) Permalink
oh no is abbott against vaccines???
xp WHEW
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:11 (4 years ago) Permalink
m@tt: jenny mccarthy has a kid w/autism (now cured???) and she, like many others, thinks that the autism was caused by vaccines he received as a baby. now there is a movement afoot to discredit vaccination so that more kids don't "catch" autism
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:13 (4 years ago) Permalink
it's one of these 'teach the controversy' bullshits where pretty much all pediatricians/ID specialists/immunologists agree that vaccines are a good idea and some fringe naysayers are naysayin
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:14 (4 years ago) Permalink
we can also use this thread to talk about other out-there medical movements/treatments but maybe there is another thread for that
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:15 (4 years ago) Permalink
I read an interview w/ Jenny McCarthy who claimed "you can't argue with anecdotal evidence."
yes you can!!
― tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:29 (4 years ago) Permalink
Robert Kennedy Jr. is also on the MMR vaccine causes autism bandwagon, I think.
― tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:30 (4 years ago) Permalink
Ugh, on xmas day my partner's aunt was saying how she'd bought McCarthy's book on this subject and how amazing it was that she cured her son's autism, and it was all I could do not to tear her head off with derisive laughter, I instead nodded politely cause I hardly knew the woman. She bought the book cause it was on Oprah.
&%^%#%$##
― Trayce, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:33 (4 years ago) Permalink
I assume the accepted actuality would be that her son didn't *have* autism to begin with, if he's all of a sudden "free of it"?
― Trayce, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:34 (4 years ago) Permalink
― tokyo rosemary, Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:30 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah, he wrote an article for rolling stone a few years back (which i have not read)
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:35 (4 years ago) Permalink
my dad is a pediatrician and this shit makes him foam at the mouth
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:37 (4 years ago) Permalink
he should get that looked at
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:37 (4 years ago) Permalink
lol shut up
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:38 (4 years ago) Permalink
i have read kennedy's article and thought it was demogagogue-y if not outright demagoguery. like he was looking for an "issue" and found it.
― m coleman, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:38 (4 years ago) Permalink
she cured her son's autism,
good luck w/that!
― m coleman, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:39 (4 years ago) Permalink
The ILM "last.fm" thread would suggest McCarthy has a lot of work ahead of her.
― The boy with the Arab money (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:41 (4 years ago) Permalink
hmmmm...this reminds me of back when spin magazine kept saying there was no connection between HIV and AIDS
i saw some shit on the today show about how they have "chicken pox" parties where ppl send their kids to some kid's house who has chicken pox to try and see if their kids can catch it or something...is that part of this whole anti-vaccine thing?
― ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:41 (4 years ago) Permalink
i thought that was a Simpsons episode
― Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:42 (4 years ago) Permalink
Jenny Mccarthy...wrote a book? And it was on Oprah?
What?
― scourge of cords (Z S), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:42 (4 years ago) Permalink
http://www.generationrescue.org/biomedical.html
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:44 (4 years ago) Permalink
― ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:41 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
nah, that's basically just natural vaccination ie acquired immunity.
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:45 (4 years ago) Permalink
poor dude that wrote this book gets death threats
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/13/health/13auti.html?_r=1&ref=science&pagewanted=print
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:46 (4 years ago) Permalink
ha, that article is what prompted this thread, btw
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:47 (4 years ago) Permalink
that and i started immunology today
these antivaccine people remind me of those who thought letterboxing was blocking out parts of films they had seen in the theater
― shook pwns (omar little), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:48 (4 years ago) Permalink
my mom brought us over to our cousin's house when i was five when they had chicken pox so we could maybe get it. . .LOL didn't work, i got it when i was in high school and it suuuuucked
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:48 (4 years ago) Permalink
who is worse: creationists or these anti vaccine people
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:49 (4 years ago) Permalink
i think the original study's based on like twenty kids or something? and the scientist opposed larger study samples because the range causes anomolous results. man.
xp i think it's just because chickenpox is a motherfucker when you're old
― schlump, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:49 (4 years ago) Permalink
anti-vaccine people
― tired (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:50 (4 years ago) Permalink
x-post
― tired (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:51 (4 years ago) Permalink
18. Other ways to detoxify. Some doctors use and/or recommend other methods of detoxification including homeopathy, infrared sauna therapy, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, exercise, magnetic beds, herbal teas, and many more.
these people might be worse, insofar as not getting vaccines can be dangerous to public health and creationism is just dangerous to your ability to be not an idiot
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:51 (4 years ago) Permalink
no shit, this is what i was saying. my mom was trying to have us get it when we were younger and it didn't work
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:51 (4 years ago) Permalink
anti- vaccine ppls. creationists have been around for a few thousand years.
― Every Day Jimmy Mod Is Hustlin' (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:52 (4 years ago) Permalink
it didn't work=obv. my cousins weren't contagious enough.
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:53 (4 years ago) Permalink
or maybe you're blaming them for your inability to get sick
― Every Day Jimmy Mod Is Hustlin' (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:53 (4 years ago) Permalink
you failure
maybe i should have eaten their pox scabs like Mom suggested
or maybe they weren't contagious anymore
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:54 (4 years ago) Permalink
― shook pwns (omar little), Wednesday, January 14, 2009 2:48 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
hahaha otm
― tired (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:54 (4 years ago) Permalink
kennedy jr. seems like a good guy at first but the more you read about him the more you realize dude is kinda creepy
― velko, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:57 (4 years ago) Permalink
loud LOL
― J0hn D., Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:58 (4 years ago) Permalink
pretty sure these will also cure pretty much anything: http://www.quantumagewater.com/
― J0hn D., Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:59 (4 years ago) Permalink
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:53 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
The concept of immunity may have existed long before [Thucydides], as suggested by the ancient Chinese custom of making children resistant to smallpox by having them inhale powders made from the skin lesions of patients recovering from the disease.
^^^^ from my textbook!
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:59 (4 years ago) Permalink
it's fun to make fun of britishers for having royalty and stuff but the fact that this doctor guy in the NYT article can't state his position without getting death threats is majorly fucked up
xpost: lolllllllllllllllllll
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 02:59 (4 years ago) Permalink
My school has let us help out at some big free public flu vaccination events. The first time I did it, it was offered free to kids and families, and adults had to pay like $25 or something. A woman asked us if she could get the vaccine for free if she came back with her grandson, except that the grandson wouldn't be getting a flu shot, just her. I wanted to yell very loudly "SERIOUSLY THEY TOOK THIMEROSAL OUT OF VACCINES IN BRITAIN AND AUTISM WENT UP!" But I did not.
She did not end up getting a vaccine, since she was unwilling to give us $25 or let her grandson get autism from our poisonous needles. I would have been more concerned about letting a first-year med student inject you using a technique learned roughly one hour beforehand, but that's just me.
― C-L, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 03:05 (4 years ago) Permalink
Oh, that belief is still around and fueled largely by the work of Peter Duesberg at Berkley. Mbeki used Duesberg's work to advise his AIDS policies in SA.
http://www.duesberg.com/index.html
I just found out that another famous AIDS denialist (and Duesberg follower) Christine Maggiore died of pneumonia a couple of weeks ago. Her daughter whom she never had tested or treated for HIV, died at age 3.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Maggiore
― Too Into Dancing to Argue (ENBB), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 03:15 (4 years ago) Permalink
― i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:45 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i remember parents doing this in the 70s and 80s. it was just a way to be sure your kid didnt get c.pox later when it would be much worse. so, yeah, what gbx said.
― tacos, fettucini, linguini, martini, bikini. (sunny successor), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 03:25 (4 years ago) Permalink
U.N. Halts Vaccine Work in Pakistan After KillingsBy DECLAN WALSHNew attacks on health workers came a day after women who were attempting to immunize children were killed.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 18:53 (5 months ago) Permalink
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The United Nations suspended all polio-related field activities in Pakistan on Wednesday after more attacks on public health workers trying to immunize children. Two people were killed and another wounded around the northwestern city of Peshawar.RelatedGunmen in Pakistan Kill Women Who Were Giving Children Polio Vaccines (December 19, 2012)Health care workers protested on Wednesday in Karachi after the killings this week of colleagues who had been administering polio vaccinations.The shootings followed a day of violence on Tuesday in the port city of Karachi during which four female health workers were killed. The attacks Wednesday brought the death toll from the three-day polio immunization campaign to eight people, most of them women.The World Health Organization and Unicef ordered their staff members off the streets in response to the latest shootings, although some provincial governments continued to immunize children.The shootings represent the most direct assault yet on an urgently needed public health program in one of the world’s last remaining reservoirs of the polio virus. Pakistan is one of three countries were polio remains endemic — the others are Nigeria and Afghanistan — and it has made strong progress against the disease after a disastrous rate of infection last year.So far in 2012, officials say, Pakistan has recorded 56 new polio cases, compared with 192 at the same point in 2011. The turnaround is due to a series of nationwide immunization drives targeting children under 5, which can involve up to 225,000 public health workers.But the unprecedented series of attacks targeting female health workers in recent days threatens to hinder future immunization efforts.The attacks Wednesday were concentrated in the districts around Peshawar. North of the city, a gunman riding a motorcycle killed a female health worker and her driver. Another driver was seriously wounded in a second episode close to the city center. And in Nowshera, east of Peshawar, four female health workers reported being shot at but not hit.A spokesman for the Pakistani Taliban denied responsibility for the attacks, although the insurgents have a history of threatening polio eradication programs, claiming they are a cover for American espionage activities.But the police in Peshawar said that Taliban fighters based in Mohmand tribal agency, north of Peshawar, were involved in at least two of the attacks in the Peshawar area.One woman who came under fire described the attack, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals. “Two people were riding a motorbike,” she said. “The one wearing a mask pulled out a gun and fired four shots. We shouted. The bullets whizzed past us, but luckily we were safe.”The Taliban’s suspicions about vaccination workers were aggravated by the case of Shakil Afridi, a doctor from the tribal areas who was paid by the Central Intelligence Agency to run a bogus hepatitis vaccination campaign near Osama bin Laden’s house in Abbottabad in the run-up to the May 2011 American commando raid that killed the Qaeda leader. Dr. Afridi has been sentenced to 33 years in prison for treason.But the Taliban have also used the polio campaign — a rare effort by the government to extend its authority into the tribal belt — for raw political purposes. In North Waziristan, Hafiz Gul Bahadur, a major Taliban-affiliated warlord, has banned polio vaccination until America halts drone strikes in the area.In contrast, the Taliban in Afghanistan have taken a more enlightened approach to polio vaccination, in some cases actively sponsoring the campaign, said Shahnaz Wazir Ali, a senior Pakistani polio official.“What’s happening here is much, much more sinister,” she said. “And it’s happening right in the heart of our cities.”Vaccination rounds in Pakistan take place many times each year, with teams of health workers visiting homes and public spaces to deliver polio immunization drops to children.The three-day vaccination round under way this week, which began on Monday, targeted parts of the country worst hit by the virus — the northwest, the tribal belt, and Karachi — and was due to involve an estimated 135,000 health workers, according to the government.The lower house of Parliament adopted a unanimous resolution Wednesday condemning the attacks on polio campaign volunteers.“We cannot and would not allow polio to wreak havoc on the lives of our children,” Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf said on Tuesday.Ismail Khan contributed reporting from Peshawar, Pakistan.
Gunmen in Pakistan Kill Women Who Were Giving Children Polio Vaccines (December 19, 2012)
Health care workers protested on Wednesday in Karachi after the killings this week of colleagues who had been administering polio vaccinations.The shootings followed a day of violence on Tuesday in the port city of Karachi during which four female health workers were killed. The attacks Wednesday brought the death toll from the three-day polio immunization campaign to eight people, most of them women.
The World Health Organization and Unicef ordered their staff members off the streets in response to the latest shootings, although some provincial governments continued to immunize children.
The shootings represent the most direct assault yet on an urgently needed public health program in one of the world’s last remaining reservoirs of the polio virus. Pakistan is one of three countries were polio remains endemic — the others are Nigeria and Afghanistan — and it has made strong progress against the disease after a disastrous rate of infection last year.
So far in 2012, officials say, Pakistan has recorded 56 new polio cases, compared with 192 at the same point in 2011. The turnaround is due to a series of nationwide immunization drives targeting children under 5, which can involve up to 225,000 public health workers.
But the unprecedented series of attacks targeting female health workers in recent days threatens to hinder future immunization efforts.
The attacks Wednesday were concentrated in the districts around Peshawar. North of the city, a gunman riding a motorcycle killed a female health worker and her driver. Another driver was seriously wounded in a second episode close to the city center. And in Nowshera, east of Peshawar, four female health workers reported being shot at but not hit.
A spokesman for the Pakistani Taliban denied responsibility for the attacks, although the insurgents have a history of threatening polio eradication programs, claiming they are a cover for American espionage activities.
But the police in Peshawar said that Taliban fighters based in Mohmand tribal agency, north of Peshawar, were involved in at least two of the attacks in the Peshawar area.
One woman who came under fire described the attack, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals. “Two people were riding a motorbike,” she said. “The one wearing a mask pulled out a gun and fired four shots. We shouted. The bullets whizzed past us, but luckily we were safe.”
The Taliban’s suspicions about vaccination workers were aggravated by the case of Shakil Afridi, a doctor from the tribal areas who was paid by the Central Intelligence Agency to run a bogus hepatitis vaccination campaign near Osama bin Laden’s house in Abbottabad in the run-up to the May 2011 American commando raid that killed the Qaeda leader. Dr. Afridi has been sentenced to 33 years in prison for treason.
But the Taliban have also used the polio campaign — a rare effort by the government to extend its authority into the tribal belt — for raw political purposes. In North Waziristan, Hafiz Gul Bahadur, a major Taliban-affiliated warlord, has banned polio vaccination until America halts drone strikes in the area.
In contrast, the Taliban in Afghanistan have taken a more enlightened approach to polio vaccination, in some cases actively sponsoring the campaign, said Shahnaz Wazir Ali, a senior Pakistani polio official.
“What’s happening here is much, much more sinister,” she said. “And it’s happening right in the heart of our cities.”
Vaccination rounds in Pakistan take place many times each year, with teams of health workers visiting homes and public spaces to deliver polio immunization drops to children.
The three-day vaccination round under way this week, which began on Monday, targeted parts of the country worst hit by the virus — the northwest, the tribal belt, and Karachi — and was due to involve an estimated 135,000 health workers, according to the government.
The lower house of Parliament adopted a unanimous resolution Wednesday condemning the attacks on polio campaign volunteers.
“We cannot and would not allow polio to wreak havoc on the lives of our children,” Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf said on Tuesday.
Ismail Khan contributed reporting from Peshawar, Pakistan.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 18:55 (5 months ago) Permalink
Melanie's Marvelous Measles
― kate78, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 05:33 (4 months ago) Permalink
shoot the messenger
― buzza, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 05:35 (4 months ago) Permalink
hey now!
― kate78, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 05:36 (4 months ago) Permalink
with vaccines. ; )
― buzza, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 05:38 (4 months ago) Permalink
WTF
― "It's the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Drunk!" (kingfish), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 11:57 (4 months ago) Permalink
Messenger’s title seems to allude to the Roald Dahl book, “George’s Marvelous Medicine.” Dahl, however, was a strong proponent of vaccination, a position rooted in the tragic death of his young daughter from measles.
― abanana, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 13:04 (4 months ago) Permalink
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/8199964/We-were-hippies-about-it
― estela, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:29 (4 months ago) Permalink
sheesh, and I thought getting whooping cough was bad. tetanus?!?
― mh, Sunday, 20 January 2013 02:31 (4 months ago) Permalink
"He's not stupid. If anything, he was just a little bit too smart for his own good."
― Stop Gerrying Me! (onimo), Monday, 21 January 2013 01:16 (4 months ago) Permalink
Makes me wonder if those antivaxers would stick to their principles and refuse to get vaccinated if they were bitten by a rabid dog.
― Theodora Celery, Monday, 21 January 2013 01:17 (4 months ago) Permalink
ugh, that author needs to die in a fire...from the measles
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Monday, 21 January 2013 01:24 (4 months ago) Permalink
This is a great bit about why debunking someone online doesn't seem to ever work or change their mind:
http://denyingaids.blogspot.com/2013/01/a-hard-nut-to-crack-why-aids-denialism.html
“The problem with trying to correct false information is that some people want to believe it, and simply telling them it is false won’t convince them.”For example, the rumor that President Obama was not born in the United States was widely believed during the past election season, even though it was thoroughly debunked.[...]Garrett said the results of this study cast doubt on the theory that people who believe false rumors need only to be educated about the truth to change their minds.“Humans aren’t vessels into which you can just pour accurate information,” he said.“Correcting misperceptions is really a persuasion task. You have to convince people that, while there are competing claims, one claim is clearly more accurate.”Garrett noted that, while instant corrections were slightly more effective than delayed corrections, the problem is that instant corrections actually increase resistance among those whose attitudes are supported by the falsehood.“We would anticipate that systems like Dispute Finder would do little to change the beliefs of the roughly one in six Americans who, despite exhaustive news coverage and fact checking, continue to question whether President Obama was born in the U.S.,” he said.Garrett said it may be better to find a way to deliver corrections later, when people may not be so defensive about their beliefs.
For example, the rumor that President Obama was not born in the United States was widely believed during the past election season, even though it was thoroughly debunked.
[...]
Garrett said the results of this study cast doubt on the theory that people who believe false rumors need only to be educated about the truth to change their minds.
“Humans aren’t vessels into which you can just pour accurate information,” he said.
“Correcting misperceptions is really a persuasion task. You have to convince people that, while there are competing claims, one claim is clearly more accurate.”
Garrett noted that, while instant corrections were slightly more effective than delayed corrections, the problem is that instant corrections actually increase resistance among those whose attitudes are supported by the falsehood.
“We would anticipate that systems like Dispute Finder would do little to change the beliefs of the roughly one in six Americans who, despite exhaustive news coverage and fact checking, continue to question whether President Obama was born in the U.S.,” he said.
Garrett said it may be better to find a way to deliver corrections later, when people may not be so defensive about their beliefs.
― The New Jack Mormons! (kingfish), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 21:01 (3 months ago) Permalink
@julieklausnerHey everybody! Check out a sneak peek of tonight's brand new ep of the Jenny McCarthy Show! http://bit.ly/V04wtE
― weed, tumblr whites and wein (some dude), Saturday, 16 February 2013 01:03 (3 months ago) Permalink
awesome
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 16 February 2013 01:35 (3 months ago) Permalink
Ha
― The New Jack Mormons! (kingfish), Saturday, 16 February 2013 02:18 (3 months ago) Permalink
I could really punch that evil, lying fuck Andrew Wakefield in the face forever, my wife just told me he has a tv show in America now. wtf.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Saturday, 16 February 2013 12:50 (3 months ago) Permalink
well, he's shopping it. if it actually gets picked up by anyone, I'll probably cancel my cable subscription.
― how's life, Saturday, 16 February 2013 13:02 (3 months ago) Permalink
http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2013/02/15/an-autism-reality-show-run-by-andrew-wakefield/
Hopefully no network will be stupid enough to touch this with a bargepole. But you never know ....
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Saturday, 16 February 2013 13:17 (3 months ago) Permalink
Our American friends won't have heard of this, Measles in Wales: Warning of epidemic spread.
Saw some sort of medical expert on TV railing against middle class families who'd stopped their kids getting the MMR vaccine and whose selfsame kids were now infecting less privileged children. Also took a sideswipe at Blair for refusing to say whether his son had had the vaccine.
― Tom D (Tom D.), Saturday, 13 April 2013 12:41 (1 month ago) Permalink
Ben Goldacre filling up my twitter feed with this but it is really fucking shameful: The Independent have run a piece *written by* Wakefield today. Front page of website: "Struck off MMR scare doctor: Welsh measles outbreak proves I was right"Disgustingly irresponsible.
― kinder, Saturday, 13 April 2013 20:36 (1 month ago) Permalink
That piece is classic daily mail style headline click fodder but it's not by him or pro him (unless you mean another piece in the paper).
― check your privy (ledge), Saturday, 13 April 2013 21:14 (1 month ago) Permalink
Still don't understand how being dangerously wrong makes you right? I won't waste my breath expressing disappointment in the Indie because the standards are long time broken.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Saturday, 13 April 2013 22:48 (1 month ago) Permalink
Bleah, that shit will be clogging up American FB feeds within a day
― Hockey Drunk (kingfish), Sunday, 14 April 2013 00:12 (1 month ago) Permalink
took me a while to realize that "jabs" is british for "shots"
― brony james (k3vin k.), Sunday, 14 April 2013 02:31 (1 month ago) Permalink
they took our jabs
― "privilege" is not a meme. but "privilege is not a meme" is a meme. (m bison), Sunday, 14 April 2013 02:36 (1 month ago) Permalink
irl lols
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 14 April 2013 02:36 (1 month ago) Permalink
hahaha m bise
― brony james (k3vin k.), Sunday, 14 April 2013 02:39 (1 month ago) Permalink
http://www.ageofautism.com
cool site
― brony james (k3vin k.), Sunday, 14 April 2013 03:05 (1 month ago) Permalink
This is really painful to read.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2013/04/what-doesnt-kill-you.html
This is the kind of frustration that mentally ill people experience when everyone refuses to acknowledge what is so obvious to them.
― beach situations (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 15 April 2013 18:26 (1 month ago) Permalink
I reeled in shock when I realized, there it was on little Timmy's school cafeteria menu: spaghetti. Do these people not realize that, for parents of children with autism, what this means? It was sickening, the grocery store had a food aisle packed with it. The weekly circular, stacked near the front door, proudly touted their sale on red sauce and spaghetti. How can they not know? This is a large, new grocery store that even has a dietitian. Shameful.
― Dr. Adorbius (mh), Monday, 15 April 2013 18:34 (1 month ago) Permalink
treats lyme disease AND autism!
http://www.heavenlyheatsaunas.com/far-infrared-and-traditional-saunas-home
― beach situations (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 15 April 2013 18:54 (1 month ago) Permalink
ugh AP, I got halfway through that before I had to stop
― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Monday, 15 April 2013 18:59 (1 month ago) Permalink
I am kind of glad I have not encountered these anti-vac autism parents in real life, because I have a great deal of sympathy for their situation yet I don't think I could be very patient or kind in dealing with their irrationality wrt medicine.
― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Monday, 15 April 2013 19:02 (1 month ago) Permalink
From Andrew Goldman’s interview with Temple Grandin in the Sunday Times:
In your new book, “The Autistic Brain,” you seriously entertain possible links between vaccines and autism in children, links that scientists have vehemently dismissed.Well, there’s only one vaccine that could possibly be a problem, and that’s the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine. Now that they’ve changed the vaccine, it has fewer antigens, and that would make it a lot safer. But with the old version of the vaccine, I have not yet come across a study that looked at regressives — when a child had some speech but lost it.There has been a highly emotional battle between mothers of autistic children and the scientists who dispute their theories.I have talked to maybe five or six of those mothers, and that’s the reason I don’t pooh-pooh it. Those mothers have all described the same things. They all have the vaccine, and then they talk about fevers and the weird wailing that started in just a few days. When I brought this up to an expert and asked, “Have you ever studied the regressive group separately?” I got silence.
Well, there’s only one vaccine that could possibly be a problem, and that’s the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine. Now that they’ve changed the vaccine, it has fewer antigens, and that would make it a lot safer. But with the old version of the vaccine, I have not yet come across a study that looked at regressives — when a child had some speech but lost it.
There has been a highly emotional battle between mothers of autistic children and the scientists who dispute their theories.
I have talked to maybe five or six of those mothers, and that’s the reason I don’t pooh-pooh it. Those mothers have all described the same things. They all have the vaccine, and then they talk about fevers and the weird wailing that started in just a few days. When I brought this up to an expert and asked, “Have you ever studied the regressive group separately?” I got silence.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/14/magazine/temple-grandin-on-autism-death-celibacy-and-cows.html?_r=0
― Allen (etaeoe), Monday, 15 April 2013 19:03 (1 month ago) Permalink
bracing self for when I run across one of these people IRL, only a matter of time probably
― not feeling those lighters (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 15 April 2013 19:09 (1 month ago) Permalink
according to wiki, the regressive group has indeed been studies separately, in relation to MMR:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regressive_autism#Causation_controversy
― --808 542137 (Hurting 2), Monday, 15 April 2013 19:16 (1 month ago) Permalink
if you have a really high IQ you don't have to do your research
― Dr. Adorbius (mh), Monday, 15 April 2013 20:19 (1 month ago) Permalink
I was concerned about the MMR Vaccine back then and paid for single vaccinations at a private clinic and it wasn't cheap. My son had classic autism/onset tourette's syndrome anyways so fuck it. When it came to time for his booster i told my doc to give him the MMR already!I think that Times journalist is trying to feed his own lazy agenda to Temple but also maybe she is being political with her readership. I would be happier if she didn't mind alienating a massively wrong type of mindset like this. I still love her, she is a marvel.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Monday, 15 April 2013 21:49 (1 month ago) Permalink
tbf, I think it is really, really hard for parents to face this situation, considering that we're so far from any explanation and still semi in the dark about treatment, and that's why you see even highly intelligent people grasping for an explanation such as this one.
― --808 542137 (Hurting 2), Monday, 15 April 2013 22:05 (1 month ago) Permalink
In my opinion it is detrimental to your children if you are not focused on the goal of them achieving independence rather than what caused them to be on the autism spectrum. Often the answer lies closer to home. This is just my opinion, but I do believe it very strongly.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Monday, 15 April 2013 22:24 (1 month ago) Permalink
"Vaccine injury? Did the needle break off in his arm?"
I hate to admit this made me laugh. I have to remember thatone.
― It is like ganging up on Enya (Trayce), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 04:24 (1 month ago) Permalink
I have conversations like that with my patients at least a few times a week. It's often easier to play dumb and not argue with them ("oh OK, wow, that's too bad" etc). "Did the needle break off" is straight up trolling, and well done, but I wouldn't recommend being so condescending (tempting though it can be).
Hurting, I think you're right about the psychology of "there must be an answer". I had some similar thoughts at great length way upthread.
DSP, I think you're exactly right about the value of approaching a chronic condition with the goal of by working toward improving it (I'd add a caveat of having reasonable expectations) instead of spending time and energy on the unanswerable questions of "what happened" or "why me (why him)". The patients I've seen with that habit of mind are the ones who've done best at coping with chronic illness or other challenges over the long haul, not in the sense that their attitude has made the problem disappear but that they're able to do more despite it, and feel better about the situation. I would guess your mentality will go a long way to help your son grow into independence no matter what his diagnosis.
Like you, I'm no fan of Grandin's answers about the MMR but I'm a fan of hers just the same.
― Plasmon, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 05:49 (1 month ago) Permalink
http://www.boriswatch.co.uk/2013/04/28/the-likelihood-of-a-measles-epidemic-in-london-spot-the-difference/
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 29 April 2013 02:08 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 20 May 2013 10:27 (2 days ago) Permalink
RAGE
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Monday, 20 May 2013 10:36 (2 days ago) Permalink
OH FFS
― emil.y, Monday, 20 May 2013 10:50 (2 days ago) Permalink
not but what a class action lawsuit against wakefield (not the nhs, just wakefield) would be sort of satisfying to watch
― ✌_✌ (c sharp major), Monday, 20 May 2013 13:03 (2 days ago) Permalink