10(+) MORE architects i have been thinking about

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Doctor Casino

here's what we were thinking about today:

Ned TRifle was thinking about treehouses - can you blame him?

and Doctor Casino was alerting us to a Herzog & DeMeuron we might have missed:

jed_, Friday, 2 January 2009 16:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

Good idea Jed, that was a lovely thread to watch load ...
10(+) architects I have been thinking about
...but, yeah, getting big!

Not me I'm the Emotional Type (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 2 January 2009 16:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm on board - thanks, Jed.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 2 January 2009 17:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

The HdM above, fyi, is condos at 40 Bond Street in Manhattan. More photos starting here. Very neat, I think, and some interesting ideas going on with the fence, which suggests an upside-down arcade, some kind of hedgee, and a reinterpretation of graffiti. The shiny metal stuff on the ground level is recycled from their Forum 2004, which seems like a smart move to me.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 2 January 2009 17:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

LOVE the calligraphic fencing and like the rest of 40 Bond, but there's something lacking in the overall effect. The elements seem unrelated to one another. Like, "here's this moderately cool buidling ... and here's this ASTOUNDING decorative detail glued on for no particular reason." I've got nothing against ornamentation for its own sake, but I want all the pieces to fit together, somehow.

good luck to you ladies--you need it (contenderizer), Friday, 2 January 2009 17:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

It's got a lovely lock!

Here's another one I've been thinking about. I mentioned this on the weird buildings thread but it's not really weird.

Jackson Clements Burrows Architects

The house shows a projection of the house it replaces.

You can read more about it on the architects website
http://www.jcba.com.au/
...but (like ALL architects websites) it's a pain to navigate and this one has an added clicky noise.

Here's another one of the same architects. They do nice houses.

Not me I'm the Emotional Type (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 2 January 2009 17:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

I've found a better picture of the house in Melbourne with architects explanation.

The site was controlled by a Heritage overlay which favoured the retention of existing dwellings. In response to the clients desire to demolish the existing house, we proposed a strategy to replace the dilapidated cottage with a new house integrated within a supergraphic image of its former self.

Not me I'm the Emotional Type (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 2 January 2009 17:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

a supergraphic image

lol architects.

Not me I'm the Emotional Type (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 2 January 2009 17:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

Is the issue the redundancy of "graphic" and "image"? Because I get what they're going for, in that "supergraphic" refers to a specific history/movement/motif of the late 60s and early 70s, so it's an adjective modifying "image." I dunno.

contenderizer - I agree to an extent that the green grid of windows has rather little to do with the graffiti wall, but I'm also kind of okay with that. And I'm still convinced there's something going on here in reference to Aldo Rossi but I can't really explain it coherently yet...

Doctor Casino, Friday, 2 January 2009 17:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

tell more more of this supergraphic movement?

Everyone is a Jedi (Will M.), Friday, 2 January 2009 20:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

I wanted to be 40 Bond's biggest fan but seeing it in person was more than a little underwhelming. I don't know if I can elaborate much but it was an "is this all there is?" kind of moment.

I'M ACTUALLY FINE (I DIED), Friday, 2 January 2009 20:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

Well, I mean...it's just condos, y'know?

re: supergraphics - kind of a non-architectural architectural movement growing out of Op Art and a general interest in grooooovy environments through graphics. A Flickr search should turn up some typical images...here's a nice one:

You know, that stuff.

John McMorrough writes in Hunch 11:

Supergraphics are those big arrows, numbers or words painted on walls and seen throughout the late 1960s and early 1970s. Though clearly a minor occurence within the annals of architectural history during its time as a fad, it received some amount of critical attention. It was, for a time, presented as an answer (or at least a tool) to elevate to the aesthetic, social problems facing the man-made environment.

Basically, the appeal was that with just a thin coat of paint you could - without doing anything traditionally associated with architecture or interior design - transform the social conditions of a space, let's say from "boring, uptight, 1950s corporation" to "swinging, hip, groovy 1960s corporation." The limitations of this are probably pretty apparent, but that was the thinking at the time, as I understand it.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 2 January 2009 22:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

OK, fair dos, they were not just being pretentious then! (maybe just a little).

Not me I'm the Emotional Type (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 2 January 2009 23:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

Well, they are architects. ;)

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 3 January 2009 00:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

<3 all of you

also, are there any wittgenstein/popper-esque stories about famous architects beefing? i never encounter these. are architects just chill?

rox qua rox (roxymuzak), Saturday, 3 January 2009 02:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

ALSO: do people exist who find this style strictly beautiful?

Not interesting, not important, just awesomely beautiful.

rox qua rox (roxymuzak), Saturday, 3 January 2009 02:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

Not me, but you will find a lot of love for, and images of, that breed of blocky, primary-colored postmodernism in arch. magazines from the late 80s through the mid-90s - GA would be a good place to look I think. Also the later works of Aldo Rossi and Michael Graves, off the top of my head.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 3 January 2009 02:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's a Graves there. I just can't stand that kind of thing, and I've worried about it a lot and can't figure out why! The colors, the shapes...I'm just repelled by it all. Maybe it comes from being a child of the 80s and being inundated with suburban sprawl (vaguely) reminiscient of the above. I really don't know.

rox qua rox (roxymuzak), Saturday, 3 January 2009 02:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

Damn straight, I love that deep blocky, colourful architecture, and naturally I love Aldo Rossi (these are great)and certain things by Michael Graves.

Also see that Loyola Law school by Frank Gehry, which, being somewhat of a Gehry-naysayer myself, I think is way better than his other stuff.

Girlfriend, you've been scooped like ice cream (mehlt), Saturday, 3 January 2009 02:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

x-post, that is

Wait, you can't stand it/are repelled by it, but still find it awesomely beautiful?

Girlfriend, you've been scooped like ice cream (mehlt), Saturday, 3 January 2009 02:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

Just personally, I think a lot of this stuff does play out in a really plainly dialectic fashion - so a lot of that stuff emerged specifically out of people being sick of white-box modernism in whatever its forms, which the architects in question had all been inundated with in their own formative years. And so similarly, we grew up in a world where every movie theater, doctor's office, student rec center, etc. looked like THAT stuff and we can't bloody stand it.

This is an oversimplification in a lot of ways - the architects in question are a lot smarter than I'm giving them credit for - but it does play a role.

The other story (in terms of how it became so ubiquitous) is that postmodernism's own hype had to do with communicating directly with the people, providing symbols that could be understood, etc. Whether or not the people could understand them, it reflects an interest in playing ball with the market. The architects themselves were singing the voices of cheap materials, historical quotation, and so on. The color palette might just be zeitgeist - I mean the 80s and early 90s were not, in my opinion, great times for color in general...

As a side note, I'm learning to leave room in my own tastes for things I Just Plain Like and Just Plain Don't Like, even if I can't intellectualize them yet. I can't fully rationalize my hatred of the 80s stuff or my love of Art Nouveau, the latter's just pretty and the former's just grody.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 3 January 2009 02:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm generally just interested in them on aesthetic levels, especially when they're really pared down, minimal forms.
cf.
Michael Graves, on the other hand, does tend to be repulsive in, I guess, depending on 'postmodernism's own hype' and tend to make some disgusting buildings. Stuff like the above, though, I really like.
It feels like forever since I read anything about architecture though, so I'm out of touch.

Girlfriend, you've been scooped like ice cream (mehlt), Saturday, 3 January 2009 02:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

the above meaning that Theatre Square building.

Xpost to myself, I misread your post. And the answer is yes, me.

Girlfriend, you've been scooped like ice cream (mehlt), Saturday, 3 January 2009 02:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

I don't mind the early Rossi (the image mehlt's just posted for example) which I think is onto a specifically interesting kick about type, history, collective memory, a lot of other dry and spooky stuff that makes a lot of sense for something like a crematorium. Rossi runs into trouble later trying to articulate things like conference centers and I don't know what else, but they start getting gross IMO.

Early Graves is also really good - let's say pre-1980, but there might be some good stuff later. In general I'm interested in everything about postmodernism EXCEPT the historicist language and material palette of the 1980s. Like, if you read Venturi's Complexity and Contradiction, everything he's talking about sounds great - complexity, multiplicity, layering of meaning, etc. The Hollein I posted to the last thread would be an example of that (to me), or for that matter this Ricardo Bofill project which I don't think I posted:


The language is cloying, but the spaces are fantastic!

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 3 January 2009 02:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

x-post, that is

Wait, you can't stand it/are repelled by it, but still find it awesomely beautiful?

― Girlfriend, you've been scooped like ice cream (mehlt), Friday, January 2, 2009 9:27 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

No, I find it awesomely ugly, I was asking if anyone else found it awesome beautiful.

rox qua rox (roxymuzak), Saturday, 3 January 2009 02:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

Postmodernism breaks my heart, it's architecture's loss of innocence. Before that there had always been a utopian bent to the profession - even if the buildings were failures there was at least a continual hope and search for a better way to do things and a desire to lift society. Postmodernism purposefully stepped away from that in the face of modernism's defeat and didn't aspire to anything greater than a series of classical reference punchlines without the dignity of proportion. The buildings were never going to be awesomely beautiful because they weren't even trying to be, which is sad. I love beaux arts neoclassicism because it was at least made with a real BELIEF in classicism, I don't think postmodernists believed in anything.

I'M ACTUALLY FINE (I DIED), Saturday, 3 January 2009 16:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

Hrm, well, I think that varies a bit...one thread of postmodernism was certainly the "Collage City"/Jane Jacobs line (that eventually leads to new urbanism) where there's an active project of trying to save the city, move away from the monumental and embrace the fabric - that seems like a project with social ambition to me. Or in the Bofill posted above, maybe those images don't quite get it across but there was a clear desire to give "palaces to the people," quoting history specifically to create something that the residents would recognize as grand and honorific.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 3 January 2009 17:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

I used to think that the only thing unifying about postmodernist thought (or the only thing postmodernists "believe in") is a rejection of enlightenment ideals, but that's obviously glossing over a lot. For me, it is easy to view Modernism as truly beautiful as applied to one building, but equally as easy to view it as one-note as an archtectural movement, and even potentially oppressive. One manifestation of post-modernism's "social concern" (lol) would be multivalence, and the presentation of a variety (I was going to say "of aesthetic sensibilities", but I think "variety" is enough).

rox qua rox (roxymuzak), Saturday, 3 January 2009 21:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yes - and then you have even more severe examples like Lucien Kroll (I think it's Kroll) where the architect's office has an open door, serving soda to the people who are going to live in the building and inviting them to make design decisions. Or Leon Krier, who believed that industrial building practice was so dehumanizing that it was better not to build, so as to avoid participating in the alienation of the worker. Postmodernism was a big umbrella, for a while there - I mean if you read an early edition of Jencks's Language of Post-Modern Architecture it really seems exciting. By the fifth or sixth edition all the photos look like the late Graves and the jig is up.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 5 January 2009 02:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and I finally posted my pics of WORKac's Public Farm 1. On the previous thread, I wrote:

"re: P.F.1 - Yeah, it was great - particularly in light of the kind of stuff that typically wins. They seem to feel that the committee or jury or whoever realized they were getting really tired of atmospheric projects. "We could have won last year, but not ten years ago." It was refreshing to me as a living example of Dutch-ness here on our shores (they both worked at OMA) by architects young enough that you could imagine "hey, that could be me!" So that's always going to be encouraging. But I also loved how much it was filled in with fun little gimmicks and gizmos - the periscope, the audio and video of working farms, the chicken coop...it was cool."

Extended, archi-nerd ramblings here.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 5 January 2009 02:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

Jencks's Language of Post-Modern Architecture

This is what got me into architecture in the first place!

roxymuzak, Monday, 5 January 2009 02:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

Haha! Just read it last year after it seemed to keep coming up. Good stuff, I read a later-ish edition that was starting to really drag by the end though. Needed a fresh edit I think, got repetitious, but as a showcase of just neat stuff and ideas the first half is essential. The "Death of Modern Architecture" chapter is classic.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 5 January 2009 02:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

I still remember where I was when I read that.

roxymuzak, Monday, 5 January 2009 02:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

...don't leave us hanging!

Doctor Casino, Monday, 5 January 2009 02:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

Well, it's not exciting in re: this thread, but I was in Nashville sitting on a couch at Douglas Corners waiting to go play a show. It's just a vivid memory because I enjoyed the reading so much.

roxymuzak, Monday, 5 January 2009 02:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

Know just what you mean - although in these grad school years there's pretty much one of three places I'm ever reading anything.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 5 January 2009 03:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

i got the other thread locked, i hope no one objects to this? i think it's just confusing having 2 threads being revived and it's more of a rolling discussion thread at this point so it makes sense. if you do i'm sure we can get it reopened.

last post on the previous thread was hyggeligt helpfully linking us to SpaceInvading

http://www.spaceinvading.com/

thanks for that, it's actually a great link and saves quite a bit of trawling around various different blogs although it still has links to those blogs for more description, which is cool.

jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sou Fujimoto Architects' Wooden House. love it or hate it, you've never seen anything like it.

jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

I think anybody who ever had blocks as a kid has seen something like it.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

ha, i was just about to add a similar caveat.

jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

BLOOMFRAME®
The BLOOMFRAME® breaks out of the 2-dimensional facade to add to the usable space in this innovative design by Hofman Dujardin Architects.

prototype that is expected to go into actual production early this year:



Bloomframe® is an innovative window frame that can be transformed into a balcony allowing an increase in usable space with minimal intervention.

Bloomframe® offers the user a flexible living environment. By opening the window frame, it is possible to walk out through the facade and to enjoy a comfortable balcony. The dynamic balcony enables adding outdoor space to compact apartments in urban high-rise areas.

The Bloomframe® balcony can be operated automatically with a simple push of the button. The system includes provisions to guarantee collapse safety during opening and closing.

The drive consists of an rpm-controlled electric motor that operates the balcony at two points via an auto-braking reduction (drop safety). The movement is transferred by tie rods from these linear guides.

The fully open position is limited mechanically, which guarantees optimum safety of the converted balcony. The application of a combined powered/mechanical movement makes the system user-friendly and easy to open and close for everyone.

jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

I don't think I really understand the Bloomframe? It creates a not very attractive half-window when closed and doesn't seem to offer any advantages over a regular building other than potentially animating the building facade more - and you have to keep your patio furniture inside when you're not using it. I think I'd like it more with a glass bottom panel since it'll be up 80% of the time.

Tina Fey's narrative bonsai (I DIED), Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

SpaceInvading is one of my favorite things about 2009

Tina Fey's narrative bonsai (I DIED), Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm glad so many designers are doing these weird 3D circulation intensive tiny houses/follies, but I'd sure like to see some upholstery in them or at least first aid kits for the inevitable bloody heads.

Tina Fey's narrative bonsai (I DIED), Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

bloomframe would be cooler if the patio furniture folded out with it, like a pop-up book.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'd like that! Or if the patio furniture was permanently secured to it so it stuck out from the inside wall of your house when closed.

Tina Fey's narrative bonsai (I DIED), Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

and if it wasn't the color of an HVAC component.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha yeah it looks like a big access panel.

Tina Fey's narrative bonsai (I DIED), Thursday, 15 January 2009 01:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

well, i love it. obviously it doesn't have to be khaki/grey, it can be any colour, i would imagine. the bottom half could possibly be glass but people have vertigo. white steel is fine by me. also you just sit on a chair that you have in your lounge, or whatever. i wouldn't imagine you would have specific furniture for it unless it was some cheap folding deck chair you could keep in a cupboard?

haterz

jed_, Thursday, 15 January 2009 02:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

Hahaha, totally. Also I would live in terror of branches, or whole trees, ripped loose and careening down 50 stories to the street. Would make a good moment in a disaster, superhero, or shit Transformer movie, but otherwise, yikes.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 12:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Zaha Hadid and Rem Koolhaas in the 1970s

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 21 April 2013 21:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

DEMONS

i lost my shoes on acid (jed_), Sunday, 21 April 2013 22:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha yeah, love young Rem

late 60s?

with dear old Wallace Harrison, 1977

Doctor Casino, Monday, 22 April 2013 01:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ken Frampton & Peter Eisenman, 1970

Bernard Tschumi, 1978

Doctor Casino, Monday, 22 April 2013 01:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

My best friend’s firm is competing in the following contest.

I think about her work a lot. If you like it, you should vote for M4rcu5 Gl3y5t33n Architects.

Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 20:07 (9 months ago) Permalink

My ongoing obsession with Roosevelt Island has put Josep Lluís Sert back on my radar:

Lots more pics linked from my sprawling Roosevelt Island Flickr project starting here but also check out his buildings at Harvard - best kind of Brutalism perhaps. Real presence in these, good sense of relief and texture.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 6 July 2013 20:57 (9 months ago) Permalink

Cool photos. I have a vague obsession with Roosevelt Island too - probably from watching Nighthawks as a kid. It's the only place in the states I've been that feels Soviet - especially in winter.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 8 July 2013 00:05 (9 months ago) Permalink

Thanks! Yeah, it's so unusual as a world in the States, even most other big urban renewal schemes of that period don't have that kind of sequence of spaces. Apparently it also was a shooting location for the Bruce Willis/Tracy Morgan picture Cop Out but I haven't seen that so I have no idea what exactly it looks like. The tramway seems to figure incidentally in a lot of movies (notably Spider-Man) but I think the only thing really "set" on the island is Dark Water which I've heard good things about...?

Doctor Casino, Monday, 8 July 2013 01:35 (9 months ago) Permalink

check out his buildings at Harvard - best kind of Brutalism perhaps. Real presence in these, good sense of relief and texture.

Can totally get behind this - love the Holyoke Center and Peabody Terrace (skip-stops, neighborhood hatred, and all). It was a great experience to interact with these places long before, during, and after a design education - what seemed like some uneasy but mysteriously lively spaces came to seem like little miracles of civility wrought out of HVD hegemony.

bentelec, Monday, 8 July 2013 02:08 (9 months ago) Permalink

I think the only thing really "set" on the island is Dark Water which I've heard good things about...?

I haven't seen the original version to compare, but i liked it. Check it out, especially with the R.I. connection.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 11 July 2013 10:05 (9 months ago) Permalink

Thanks! Yeah, it's so unusual as a world in the States, even most other big urban renewal schemes of that period don't have that kind of sequence of spaces.

It has much more of a European feel to it. I think the (lack of) topography just forces the design to be far more mindful of space (horizontal and vertical). Most big urban projects of that era had the advantage of sprawl - and a "blight" rubber stamp to make what space you needed.

By the way, I'm reading this:

and it's pretty great. Recommended if you're at all interested in this type of thing. Some background...

How RAND Program, Fire Chief, New York Elites Burned Down Bronx

Back in the 1970s, celebrities of all stripes, from President Jimmy Carter to Mother Teresa, would visit the South Bronx to shake their heads over how the greatest city in the U.S., or a significant part of it, all of a sudden looked like Berlin in 1945.

Fires and demolition took such a toll, as Joe Flood recounts in his book “The Fires,” that the police station once known as Fort Apache was dubbed “Little House on the Prairie.” It was as if some unseen lumberjack had clear-cut entire neighborhoods.

“The Fires” is the latest book to explain how New York City got that way. Ken Auletta’s “The Streets Were Paved With Gold” (1979) is another one. The grand-daddy of them all is Robert Caro’s “The Power Broker” (1974).

The focus of Flood’s book is how fire chief John O’Hagan used computer technology to determine which firehouses to close during the administrations of John V. Lindsay and Abraham Beame. Curiously enough, they were almost all in poor neighborhoods.

This is promising new ground -- I’m not sure I ever read about the RAND Corp.’s foray into urban planning before. Yet it is a small story, almost a footnote, compared with Flood’s main theme, which is the destruction of a city by its elites, dating as far back as the days of police commissioner Theodore Roosevelt and muckraking journalist Jacob Riis.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 11 July 2013 10:17 (9 months ago) Permalink

That sounds good!

Roosevelt Island is something of a special case from the get-go though - the planners and the policy-makers (not to say the financiers) were committed to doing Something Different from most urban renewal. The thinking was that the island's desirable location and lack of an existing population to piss off made it possible to do something - close proximity of lower- and middle-income housing - that would not have been possible elsewhere. And Johnson & Burgee's master plan wasn't forced into the 'main street' concept - it was something they wanted to do as a corrective to mainstream modern planning. (Johnson would later call it his "Jane Jacobs phase"). There was definitely space to do more of a towers-in-a-perk thing; Victor Gruen actually proposed an alarming wall-of-slabs a few years earlier.

Some good background in terms of design/urbanism is online here: http://www.rioc.com/devhist/New-York-1960s-Chap-8-1977.pdf

And if you have ProQuest access or the equivalent, look for Yonah Freemark's "Roosevelt Island: Exception to a City in Crisis," in the Journal of Urban History - great background on the public policy issues, the evolving financial situation, Lindsay vs. Rockefeller vs. Nixon vs. George Romney etc. Good stuff.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 11 July 2013 16:39 (9 months ago) Permalink

Thanks for the leads.

BTW, the Pruitt-Igoe Myth is streaming on Netflix. If you're at all interested in this stuff, it's an amazing documentary.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 14 July 2013 00:39 (9 months ago) Permalink

Agreed, that is well worth a watch. I really appreciate how non-architectural it is - really avoids blaming the buildings for what happened and focuses on the money, the structure of the program, etc.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 14 July 2013 03:52 (9 months ago) Permalink

V. excited to be teaching a studio on P-I this year - that film will definitely be a key source.

bentelec, Sunday, 14 July 2013 22:51 (9 months ago) Permalink

The essay it takes its title from is also super good, I'm sure you know about that one though.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 14 July 2013 23:14 (9 months ago) Permalink

Can anyone here recommend some history of architecture grad programs in the US? I have a friend, a young Chilean architect, who is interested. She's mostly into modern and contemporary stuff, and also digs urban studies. If she had her way, it would be either in the northeast, California, or Chicago.

Sorry if this isn't exactly on topic, but I could think of no better place to ask.

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 22:47 (9 months ago) Permalink

Is your friend looking for a masters or a PhD? There are a lot of the latter, fewer of the former. Every so often I wonder if I should have looked into one of the two-year (ish) masters of criticism/history/theory/curation (they tend to be kind of catch-all programs), however you'd need to shop around carefully with those. Most of them are not funded in anything like the way PhD programs tend to be, and you have to be ready to aggressively mobilize the degree into some kind of funky hybrid career, although if you also had a convincing career as a designer then that might be enough to get a teaching position. Many of them really are pitched as pre-PhD programs. On the one hand I think that would have really helped me now as I'm working on my PhD - good way to get up to speed on a lot of the key names, debates, intellectual frameworks etc., so that your head's not spinning and you can get down to business. Also it would help you come in the door with a project already fleshed out. On the other hand, it's two more years of school. Anyway, if she was interested in something like that, I don't know where all of them are, but the sensible thing would be to look for schools that offer the PhD since that suggests they'd have the back bench of faculty to support the masters.

If she's thinking PhD, there are plenty of options and it depends on the intellectual climate she's interested in, which means scouring the faculty listings and the recent dissertations to feel out the milieu. I've settled into my program well (C0lumb14) but there was a little bit of whiplash at first and if I'd had infinite time in the year before applying I would have liked to at least skim a few articles by all the PhD committee members at all the schools on my shortlist just to really understand what the vibes were there. But realistically that's very hard to do.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 04:34 (8 months ago) Permalink

Thanks Doctor, that's actually quite helpful. She was leaning more towards the masters, but may end up having to look at PhD's, due to the scarcity of the former. She's got an uphill road it looks like, esp. because she's looking to get a scholarship, and she's a foreign student.

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 14:03 (8 months ago) Permalink

FWIW I would say offhand that my program has a substantial foreign contingent and that all students have the same base level of funding, plus what people pick up through teaching gigs additional to what's required in the first few years. I can't speak to other schools but generally PhD programs have some kind of base funding package based on teaching or other assistantship work.

The real thing to think about is exactly what kind of career she's imagining herself having, or put in less ugly terms, why she thinks she needs the degree. I don't say that to discourage anyone because I think everybody should have graduate degrees in architecture! This might just be a hangover from the "what am i getting myself into" grad school thread and various associated bummed-out education/career prospects/debt threads.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 14:36 (8 months ago) Permalink

The real thing to think about is exactly what kind of career she's imagining herself having, or put in less ugly terms, why she thinks she needs the degree.

Good question, DC. She wants to be a professor!

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Tuesday, 30 July 2013 01:56 (8 months ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...
3 months pass...

Have any ilxors been to or are planning to go to Palm Springs Modernism Week? I want to, one of these days.

mh, Thursday, 19 December 2013 00:13 (4 months ago) Permalink

I haven't been but a friend is going for a 3rd time in a row, loves it

Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Thursday, 19 December 2013 00:52 (4 months ago) Permalink

is your friend a cool person who would like a modernist friend

mh, Thursday, 19 December 2013 01:21 (4 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

I'm strongly considering heading to modernism week myself, trying to decide whether I'd rather do that or explore Palm Springs when it's a little calmer.

Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Monday, 20 January 2014 15:34 (3 months ago) Permalink

I think the main reason to go during that week is that there are tours of the inside of some homes that are normally not open to the public?

mh, Monday, 20 January 2014 15:39 (3 months ago) Permalink

re: Folk Art, the whole thing is really awful. Really sad to see DS+R just happily parroting the clients' line that the Folk Art Museum's interior was so 'quirky' that it could not be adapted into anything, no way no how... and people who should know better acquiescing to the desperate claim that if you could just save the facade, you'd be saving the building. I mean, that is just not an architect talking. Annoyed that this will also now become the stock narrative around the building, which had a fabulous interior section, a real jewelbox of steppy levels. Yeah, it would have been tricky to make it a 'wing' of MOMA, but there's no reason it should have been written off as impossible.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 20 January 2014 15:42 (3 months ago) Permalink

Between Folk Art, MoMA, and the Barnes it just shows that both firms care a lot more about their own commissions more than any kind of broader artistic or cultural good. Which is fine, but at that point just admit there's no real line between firms getting big artistic commissions and the RTKLs of the world.

Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Monday, 20 January 2014 15:55 (3 months ago) Permalink

Also I think Folk Art was a fascinating space that showed Williams and Tsien didn't give a fuck about their client.

Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Monday, 20 January 2014 15:57 (3 months ago) Permalink

Hrmm. I thought it served the objects very well, but do you mean just in terms of running up a huge bill? I dunno. Would love to be able to visit it one last time and re-judge, I only got to see it once.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 20 January 2014 16:01 (3 months ago) Permalink

I think it served the objects well but was really inefficient in the way galleries and circulation worked, which limited how the collection was shown. Sure the site was touch but part of the architect's responsibility is to say "you're going to go broke building something that won't work very well as a museum."

The facade is beautiful but could have been a part of any project - I don't think it served the museum well (and neither do Williams & Tsien, from later interviews!) and it says something about the museum that 90% of the photos online are of the facade and not the collection, galleries, or interior.

Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Monday, 20 January 2014 16:18 (3 months ago) Permalink

completed project! finally got good photos of a building/restaurant I finished last year:

Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:31 (3 months ago) Permalink

are the cutout designs on the front advertising free wifi?

kidding, really like it. the lighting (the actual fixtures, that is) looks cool

mh, Tuesday, 21 January 2014 22:39 (3 months ago) Permalink

all the lights over the bar are 1970s dutch and german ceramic shades, having an electrician who can rewire anything is invaluable

Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Friday, 24 January 2014 17:10 (2 months ago) Permalink

oh that looks lovely, i died. so much wood can be overload but the interiors look terrific.

mustread guy (schlump), Friday, 24 January 2014 17:49 (2 months ago) Permalink

thanks - we ended up using 5 or 6 different kinds of wood in a variety of oiled/stained/painted finishes to keep it interesting

Sadly, 99.99 percent of sheeple will never wake up (I DIED), Friday, 24 January 2014 18:04 (2 months ago) Permalink

i ate there when i was in DC! on the lower level. delicious ramen, really cool space, and i loved the exterior metal cutouts

hug niceman (psychgawsple), Friday, 24 January 2014 18:14 (2 months ago) Permalink

Wow, great work, I DIED! Keep 'em coming I say!

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 01:42 (2 months ago) Permalink

re: Williams and Tsien, I think it's a fair point, that they may have been irresponsible as architects. One of my professors summarized it yesterday as, it was a modest institution and they did not provide them with a modest building. And I think that's a criticism well-taken, but... that institution no longer occupies the building, and I feel like MOMA's decision to demolish or not demolish it could be discussed on its own terms. To me it first of all reads as a huge missed opportunity (they could do really cool stuff with it - or even make it the centerpiece of their ensemble, since they actually don't have an iconic facade, not really).

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 01:45 (2 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urnes_Stave_Church

was in the Viking Art programme on tv yesterday.

there are bigger examples of stave churches but i like the concise blackness of the one in Urnes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stave_church

koogs, Sunday, 16 March 2014 12:37 (1 month ago) Permalink

Wow, yes please.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 16 March 2014 14:34 (1 month ago) Permalink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantoft_stave_church

was one of the churches allegedly burnt down by black metallers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aske_%28album%29

koogs, Monday, 17 March 2014 12:18 (1 month ago) Permalink

I love looking at and thinking about those.

an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 17 March 2014 16:03 (1 month ago) Permalink

saw him once on a panel his every utterance was either cipherful or inane

conrad, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 17:20 (1 month ago) Permalink

(i love that that page has "Latest Staircases" rather than, say, sideboob or cellulite.)

koogs, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 17:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

((oh, spoke too soon))

koogs, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 17:29 (1 month ago) Permalink


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