I guess shooting those Iraqi civilians wasn't such a good idea, after all (Blackwater indictment thread)

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Some independent legal experts question whether U.S. courts have jurisdiction in this case.

Damn straight. The Iraqis should get their whack at them.

Aimless, Monday, 8 December 2008 18:22 (fifteen years ago) link

... especially after that helicopter crash in Afghanistan, where Blackwater pulled the single shameless legal maneuver in human history (claiming that, because the crash happened in an Islamic country, any lawsuits should be judged according to the rules of sharia law)

With a little bit of gold and a Peja (bernard snowy), Monday, 8 December 2008 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link

er, single most shameless legal maneuver etc etc

With a little bit of gold and a Peja (bernard snowy), Monday, 8 December 2008 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

Blackwater Founder Implicated in Murder
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090817/scahill

avuenjo, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link

is this really a surprise to anyone

girlish in the worst sense of that term (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 August 2009 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link

seriously have I taught u kids nuthin

Looks like there's blood...
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...In the Blackwater.

YAAAAOOOOOWWWW etc

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 04:36 (fourteen years ago) link

so stoked even though I've seen this episode like 14 times on a&e

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 04:36 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

these fucking guys

jesus christ they should all be shot. preferably after being duly prosecuted and convicted in a TRIAL, where LAWS are followed.

go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 August 2009 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Government extends work by Blackwater successor in Iraq
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE5817DB20090902

Blackwater suspected of being in Pakistan
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_5100.shtml

am0n, Thursday, 10 September 2009 04:27 (fourteen years ago) link

the fact that this group is allowed to exist creeps me out to no end

am0n, Thursday, 10 September 2009 04:29 (fourteen years ago) link

is that scahill book worth reading?

am0n, Thursday, 10 September 2009 04:31 (fourteen years ago) link

If it's the one I'm thinking of, no. It just covers all the things you know about Prince/Blackwater (ie they're evil).

ice cr?m paint job (milo z), Thursday, 10 September 2009 05:12 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

am0n, Thursday, 10 September 2009 14:50 (fourteen years ago) link

how long before xe/blackwater starts a civil war here? i give it 10 yrs max.

am0n, Thursday, 10 September 2009 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...

God bless President Savior and his enabling of Blackwater.

Since President Barack Obama was inaugurated, the United States has expanded drone bombing raids in Pakistan. Obama first ordered a drone strike against targets in North and South Waziristan on January 23, and the strikes have been conducted consistently ever since. The Obama administration has now surpassed the number of Bush-era strikes in Pakistan and has faced fierce criticism from Pakistan and some US lawmakers over civilian deaths. A drone attack in June killed as many as sixty people attending a Taliban funeral.

In August, the New York Times reported that Blackwater works for the CIA at "hidden bases in Pakistan and Afghanistan, where the company's contractors assemble and load Hellfire missiles and 500-pound laser-guided bombs on remotely piloted Predator aircraft." In February, The Times of London obtained a satellite image of a secret CIA airbase in Shamsi, in Pakistan's southwestern province of Baluchistan, showing three drone aircraft. The New York Times also reported that the agency uses a secret base in Jalalabad, Afghanistan, to strike in Pakistan.

The military intelligence source says that the drone strike that reportedly killed Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud, his wife and his bodyguards in Waziristan in August was a CIA strike, but that many others attributed in media reports to the CIA are actually JSOC strikes. "Some of these strikes are attributed to OGA [Other Government Agency, intelligence parlance for the CIA], but in reality it's JSOC and their parallel program of UAVs [unmanned aerial vehicles] because they also have access to UAVs. So when you see some of these hits, especially the ones with high civilian casualties, those are almost always JSOC strikes." The Pentagon has stated bluntly, "There are no US military strike operations being conducted in Pakistan."

The military intelligence source also confirmed that Blackwater continues to work for the CIA on its drone bombing program in Pakistan, as previously reported in the New York Times, but added that Blackwater is working on JSOC's drone bombings as well. "It's Blackwater running the program for both CIA and JSOC," said the source. When civilians are killed, "people go, 'Oh, it's the CIA doing crazy shit again unchecked.' Well, at least 50 percent of the time, that's JSOC [hitting] somebody they've identified through HUMINT [human intelligence] or they've culled the intelligence themselves or it's been shared with them and they take that person out and that's how it works."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20091207/scahill

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 November 2009 02:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Scahill's been fantastic on this. He took Chuck Todd to school last month:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2LroD5_IbU

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 November 2009 02:39 (fourteen years ago) link

jeezus, anybody who's D.C. propaganda chief for a toothless TV net is a pod person.

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 November 2009 02:51 (fourteen years ago) link

crazy article, shit makes my head spin

luol deng (am0n), Wednesday, 25 November 2009 05:45 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Judge Drops Charges From Blackwater Deaths in Iraq

welcome to gudbergur (harbl), Friday, 1 January 2010 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link

well done brave armed thugs

beautiful sunrise in the decade where i turn 30 (acoleuthic), Friday, 1 January 2010 15:12 (fourteen years ago) link

well done prosecutors :/

welcome to gudbergur (harbl), Friday, 1 January 2010 15:13 (fourteen years ago) link

harbl why is the law like this

beautiful sunrise in the decade where i turn 30 (acoleuthic), Friday, 1 January 2010 15:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Due process and such. Jeremy Scahill will be quite upset.

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 January 2010 15:17 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah it's not like they got off because what they did was not illegal. just bungled imo

welcome to gudbergur (harbl), Friday, 1 January 2010 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link

very unusual for Yanks to get off in these circumstances. HNY Iraqis.

Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 January 2010 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link

morbs it is the time of forgiveness

but in all seriousness fuck blackwater with the force of a thousand insurgencies

agonising dusk in the decade where i turn 30 (acoleuthic), Friday, 1 January 2010 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, if what the judge wrote was true, the prosecutors really fucked up.

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 January 2010 17:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Gee, I wonder how the careers of those prosecutors will suffer after making this horrid and egregious mistake? What incompetance! Oh, my!

My guess is, they will not suffer at all. Even if their careers as prosecutors stall out, some obliging law firm from the far right will give them cushy jobs. That is how these things work out. No obvious illegalities involved, just the subversion of justice in favor of loyalty.

Aimless, Friday, 1 January 2010 20:21 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

First adjust the squelch on your bullshit filter before proceeding, but this small article on Blackwater's rebranding to Xe is intriguing. Especially after the recent flap about secret bible verses on guns

Erik Prince, the founder and owner of the now infamous US corporation, Blackwater, hails from Holland, Michigan where his family was both powerful and prominent in two institutions - (1) the Republican Party and (2) the evangelical Christian Church. After scandals hit his large and lucrative firm, Prince ordered a curious rebranding that changed its name to Xe.

X is an archaic form of abbreviation for Christ and/or Christian that was derived from the cross and the Greek Alphabet. X or Chi is the Greek letter that is the initial of "Christos" - X - which at the same time served as a symbol for the cross. Sometimes written Chi-Rho, (Xp) is another abbreviation for Christos and his followers, the Christians. From the perspective of medieval Christian symbology, 'Xe' is a combination of the Christic cross and the Greek letter, Epsilon, the first letter in the Greek word, Evangelion, glad tidings or gospel. From the perspective of a modern member of the Knights Templar, Xe is immediately recognizable as it symbolizes Christian Evangelism.

Prince's background

Eric Prince's father owned a thriving automotive parts business and sent his son to Holland Christian School - an evangelical establishment that accepts students from Kindergarten through the 12th grade. Since then, Prince has converted to Roman Catholicism - and may be a member or associate of Opus Dei, a very conservative cult now described as a prelature that is a strong ally of the current pope, Benedict XVI, who - when he was a Cardinal - paved the way for the beatification and canonization of the cult's founder, St. Josemaria Escriva by his predecessor, Pope John Paul II.

Here is a brief description of Erik Prince's religious background taken from a website :

The founder and CEO of Blackwater is Erik Prince, son of Edgar Prince, the now deceased businessman from Holland, Michigan. Prince's background as a Western Michigander is not just limited to geography, the brother of Betsy DeVos has also embraced the conservative religious beliefs that his family promoted zealously, particularly with their money. Erik began his political career working as an intern for Gary Bauer at the Family Research Council and also worked in the Bush I White House, although he thought that this administration was too liberal. Prince disapproved of the Bush I administration to the extent that in 1992 he supported Patrick Buchanan for President, something that got him into trouble with his sister Betsy.

Unlike his family, which is part of the Christian Reformed Church, Erik Prince is a Catholic. He most likely became Catholic when he married his first wife, who died of cancer shortly after they were married. Interestingly enough, most of the leadership at Blackwater is also Catholic, albeit a conservative wing of the church that is quite reactionary. Erik Prince is personally connected to conservative Catholic groups like Catholic Answer, Crisis magazine, and a Grand Rapids-based group, the Acton Institute. But Prince has not abandoned his Protestant/Evangelical roots and is a close friend of Watergate criminal turned believer Chuck Colson. They have shared the podium on several occasions, even once at Calvin College. According to Scahill, Prince is aligning himself with a new Catholic/Evangelical alliance called "Evangelicals and Catholics Together." The ECT manifesto states:

"The century now drawing to a close has been the greatest century of missionary expansion in Christian history. We pray and we believe that this expansion has prepared the way for yet greater missionary endeavor in the first century of the Third Millennium. The two communities in world Christianity that are most evangelistically assertive and most rapidly growing are Evangelicals and Catholics."

Prince's relationship to what Scahill calls the "Theocon" movement is not marginal. Prince himself writes about this relationship and it's importance, particularly with the mission of Blackwater. Prince says "Everybody carries guns, just like the Prophet Jeremiah rebuilding the temple in Israel - a sword in one hand and a trowel in the other."

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Erik Prince's personal Crusade

Among his personnel at Xe, Prince is known to be a high-profile Islamophobe who believes his personal mission in life is to bring about the total extinction of the Muslim population of this planet in what he has described as a global campaign of genocide or a, "Crusade."

Here is an excerpt of an article about Prince that appeared in The Economist:

In an affidavit lodged with a court in Virginia, one of the witnesses said that Mr Prince "views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe." The statement continues

To that end, Mr. Prince intentionally deployed to Iraq certain men who shared his vision of Christian supremacy, knowing and wanting these men to take every available opportunity to murder Iraqis. Many of these men used call signs based on the Knights of the Templar, the warriors who fought the Crusades.

Mr. Prince operated his companies in a manner that encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life. For example, Mr. Prince's executives would openly speak about going over to Iraq to "lay Hajiis out on cardboard." Going to Iraq to shoot and kill Iraqis was viewed as a sport or game. Mr. Prince's employees openly and consistently used racist and derogatory terms for Iraqis and other Arabs, such as "ragheads" or "hajiis."

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 04:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Grand Rapids is so embarrassing.

Reading makes my ovaries hurt (Laurel), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 15:26 (fourteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Scahill:

A federal jury in Washington DC returned guilty verdicts against four Blackwater operatives charged with killing more than a dozen Iraqi civilians and wounding scores of others in Baghdad in 2007....

The incident for which the men were tried was the single largest known massacre of Iraqi civilians at the hands of private US security contractors. Known as “Baghdad’s bloody Sunday,” operatives from Blackwater gunned down 17 Iraqi civilians at a crowded intersection at Nisour Square on September 16, 2007. The company, founded by secretive right wing Christian supremacist Erik Prince, had deep ties to the Bush administration and served as a sort of neoconservative Praetorian Guard for a borderless war launched in the immediate aftermath of 9-11.

While President Barack Obama pledged to reign in mercenary forces when he was a US senator, once he became president he continued to employ a massive shadow army of private contractors. Blackwater — despite numerous scandals, Congressional investigations, FBI probes and documented killings of civilians in both Iraq and Afghanistan — remained a central part of the Obama administration’s global war machine throughout his first term in office.

Just as with the systematic torture at Abu Ghraib, it is only the low level foot-soldiers of Blackwater that are being held accountable. Prince and other top Blackwater executives continue to reap profits from the mercenary and private intelligence industries. Prince now has a new company, Frontier Services Group, which he founded with substantial investment from Chinese enterprises. Among its areas of focus is the African continent. Prince recently suggested that his forces at Blackwater could have confronted Ebola and ISIS. “If the Administration cannot rally the political nerve or funding to send adequate active duty ground forces to answer the call, let the private sector finish the job,” Prince recently wrote....

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/22/blackwater-guilty-verdicts/

this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 17:22 (nine years ago) link

Too bad Prince is not gonna get any jail time

curmudgeon, Friday, 24 October 2014 21:57 (nine years ago) link

five months pass...

unrepentent Blackwater guards are gonna appeal

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link

don't understand why Western governments aren't doing more to stop their citizens absconding to kill people in the Middle East

Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 16:19 (nine years ago) link

if you become a mercenary you're exiled on pain of life incarceration imo

PORC EPIC SAVVAGE (imago), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 16:22 (nine years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Erik Prince, founder of the now-defunct mercenary firm Blackwater and current chairman of Frontier Services Group, is under investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice and other federal agencies for attempting to broker military services to foreign governments and possible money laundering, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the case.

What began as an investigation into Prince’s attempts to sell defense services in Libya and other countries in Africa has widened to a probe of allegations that Prince received assistance from Chinese intelligence to set up an account for his Libya operations through the Bank of China. The Justice Department, which declined to comment for this article, is also seeking to uncover the precise nature of Prince’s relationship with Chinese intelligence.

https://theintercept.com/2016/03/24/blackwater-founder-erik-prince-under-federal-investigation/

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 25 March 2016 11:58 (eight years ago) link

three years pass...

do Erik Prince next

Simon H., Wednesday, 14 August 2019 17:19 (four years ago) link

Certain to get a pardon.

Bnad, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 19:19 (four years ago) link

I wouldn’t make that assumption

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 19:24 (four years ago) link

at least not until someone convinces Trump that Iraq is in Mexico

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 19:36 (four years ago) link

Exactly

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 19:40 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

This White House announcement of clemency doesn't really tell the story of how these men were convicted of the massacre of Iraqi civilians while working as Blackwater contractors pic.twitter.com/dkeJqQ6db8

— Lawrence Hurley (@lawrencehurley) December 23, 2020

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 23 December 2020 01:28 (three years ago) link


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