'98
'08
― rollerblading on the back of a cereal box in 1997 (internet person), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
98
08
i wish more 08 hipsters wore simple black Ray-Bans, they're downright dignified compared to the neon Kanye shutter shades you see on the dang kids these days.
― some dude, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
― rollerblading on the back of a cereal box in 1997 (internet person), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
also surely there were more hipsters in Chuck Taylors in '98 than there are today
― some dude, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
― rejected FDR screen name, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
I love digging through my old 90s highschool clothes. I think to myself, "why does none of htis shit fit? and what the hell did I use all these pockets for?"
― brad_stedmeier (burt_stanton), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://images.buzzillions.com/images_products/01/34/686_smarty_cargo_pants_reviews_25742_300.jpg
This was cooler in 1998 than it is now, but I don't remember hipsters specifically rocking cargo pants 10 years ago.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
What the hell did they wear in 1998? flared jeans?
― brad_stedmeier (burt_stanton), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
wraparound shades were never something worn by hipsters, sorry.
― pj, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
^^yeah i think the very definition of "hipster" circa '98 was refusal to wear cargo pants.
― will, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
xxpost
so how many year until they'll be wearing those cargo pants and wrap around shades?
― carne asada, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
can we unban deeznuts for this thread
― ♪☺♫☻ (gr8080), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
'98 = white belts
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
thinking about english james lavelle style hipsters, rly
― rollerblading on the back of a cereal box in 1997 (internet person), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
Cargo pants and Oakleys were Bro Gear not hipster stuff.
― circa1916, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
they became bro gear circa 2001. technoish 98 hipsters were well into all that urban outfitters shit.
― rollerblading on the back of a cereal box in 1997 (internet person), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
if you think my idea of 98 hipsters is wrong, then plz feel free to contribute the correct alternatives.
― rollerblading on the back of a cereal box in 1997 (internet person), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
― rollerblading on the back of a cereal box in 1997 (internet person), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
My image of '98 hipster is tied to bands like the Locust, tight pants, white belts, and vulcan haircuts. Maybe that's a sub-category and/or a little later. I must've missed the snowboarding, techno-listening guys.
― circa1916, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
― ♪☺♫☻ (gr8080), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
Really? Three new hipster threads in one day???
― I know, right?, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
1998
2008
― Edward III, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
― ♪☺♫☻ (gr8080), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
indicative of end times for the term
― genital grinder (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 20:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
i hope
those flags are in the wrong order
― They're a '90s odd couple. And an odds-on choice for laughs. (blueski), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
blame google
― ♪☺♫☻ (gr8080), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Everything is Highlighted (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
yuppise vs. hipsters who would u blap?
― bell_labs, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
sweet i knew if i rode out raybans long enough they'd make it back
― bnw, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
oopps i posted that on the wrong thread1998 hipster vs 2008 histers who would u blap?
― bell_labs, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yuppies more likely not to make vegan breakfast the next morning?
― Laurel, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
more likely to pay for a cab though
― bnw, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
I would blap whichever is hotter.
― A bold plan drawn up by assholes to screw morons (dan m), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
The non-vegan brek was a PLUS, Byron. I'll take the over-medium AND the cab, thx.
― Laurel, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
*Real* hipsters understand bacon.
― so glitchy (kenan), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
There were no hipsters wearing tight jeans or pants in 1998. None. The white belts didn't come until 2000, maybe late 99 earliest.
'98 was still about cargo, techno, a lil leftover-flannel, listening to Air and talking about how dated the Chemical Bros were
but do you remember the short-lasting single striped-sweater fad of winter '96/'97 ? that should be revived
― Vichitravirya_XI, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
dickes pants and solid color tees
― ♪☺♫☻ (gr8080), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
dickies*
^otm
― A bold plan drawn up by assholes to screw morons (dan m), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 21:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oooh... there's a fine idea. I think I'm going to make '08 about remembering how great the Chemical Brothers were. About 40 minutes of it, anyway.
― so glitchy (kenan), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 22:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
corduroys were also still in
― Vichitravirya_XI, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 22:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
surfer/skater look is always in out here but back then it was all over the street
― Vichitravirya_XI, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 22:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
I have no style memories from 1998 whatsoever. I moved to NYC halfway through and was in no position to notice anything.
― Laurel, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 22:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
(the chemical brothers WERE grebt!)
― Vichitravirya_XI, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 22:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
1998 was peak white belt time.
― bell_labs, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 22:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
i guess my idea of late 90s hipsters comes from reading select magazine as a 16 y/o and reading the early nathan barley bits in tvgohome.
― rollerblading on the back of a cereal box in 1997 (internet person), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
2nd hand little league tees
― ♪☺♫☻ (gr8080), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
like it was really tough for nerdy indie kids to "dip their toes into autistic sounds" before
― genital grinder (roxymuzak), Thursday, 18 September 2008 16:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
I agree with the idea that late-90s emo & hardcore have had a big effect on young "hipster" fashion and style in the 00s. I think basically by the end of the 90s the sort of indie anti-fashion group was getting a little older, and you had ... well, more hardcore scenes on the coasts (like San Diego white-belt Romulans), and the development of a midwestern white-belt "emo" style that was like indie-rock's kid brother/sister (in a Promise Ring / chunky glasses / "we looking through the record collection of our older sibling Indie and concluded that Pinkerton was the best thing in it" way). Those things have definitely had a whole lot of visual impact on what we consider hipsterdom, although as you look at younger and younger people a lot of these things become suburban-mall chain-store stuff (Hot Topic, etc.) and don't seem particularly grown-up hip.
Another bit turnaround, so far as I can see = the moment around 2000 where hipsterdom became more party-focused -- i.e., the moment where everyone started saying hipsterdom was staid and boring, and you had electro(-clash) and a lot more fashion and a lot more dance music and midwestern rock guys went eww eww eww for a while but eventually they lost; back around 2001 (in Chicago, anyway) if you were seeing skinny pants and Vans on anyone it was probably a full on electroclasher type, but in a few years that'd be just everyone. So -- and we were talking about this on some thread the other day -- you could easily trace the point where store racks that used to contain fake-vintage distressed t-shirts suddenly had shiny new neon print t-shirts all over them, and this sort of hipster-trash basement-party bright-and-fashiony chic started coming from more and more places: indie rock, hip-hop fashion ... all of this at first under the rubric of being kind of "80s" and self-consciously "fun," but then soon enough just being what it is, now. You could also note the upswing of more fashiony stuff in popular rock, with new pop-emo bands suddenly looking a little gothed out or wearing suits and eyeliner and whatnot, stuff that was surely a bit of reaction or liberation from the anti-fashion feelings of even the late 90s, which were still alt/GenX enough that dudes who weren't club kids or ravers would probably have a hard time wearing makeup without getting a lot of "oh christ stop trying so hard." You were meant to look like you didn't care that much, obviously.
Which is the other thing, though, the big difference between then and now, which we've kinda discussed, but ... no matter how much anyone here wants to say that oh, it's always the same shit, nothing changes, I don't think I'll ever stop perceiving that the very category of hipsterdom grew significantly in its purchase somewhere around the start of the millennium, and became much more flashy and fashiony and of note to a whole lot more people. I think this was largely internet-assisted, too, insofar as people suddenly had access to so much music and pictorial evidence of fashion and so on, and the center of hip attention shifted significantly back in New York's direction, and you had people arguing style more on message boards (and not just with the people immediately around them in their towns), and you could look at blogs that made basically a part-time job of documenting what was allegedly hip, and ... how could this not laser people's attention in on this kind of consumption? For better or worse. Nobody I knew was going on a shitload about hipsterdom in the late 90s; it was just ... you know, artists, indie-rockers, people who were into stuff. The hipster category has totally metastasized over the decade since. Burt's right to point out that there's always historically been some category of hipsterdom, that even the word itself goes back for decades, but he totally leaves out the gaps between his examples, which is exactly the point -- he leaves out the way that category periodically reconfigures itself or grows self-conscious and tries to submerge itself, or whatever. We can all trace a kind of hipsterdom to some explosion-point in the 60s, obviously, and we can talk about definite forms of hipsterdom in the 80s (say, that sort of New York art-scene hip), but we're kind of missing the point if we don't try to sort out, e.g., what reconfiguring what going on the 70s, the way hip was surely much more diffuse and worked in different streams and types and was ... moving from one place to another, you know?
― nabisco, Thursday, 18 September 2008 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
holy shit
― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 18 September 2008 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
i didnt read that but its otm
― ○◙genital grinder◙○ (roxymuzak), Thursday, 18 September 2008 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
I did and it's OTM.
― jaymc, Thursday, 18 September 2008 17:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh crap P.S. everyone HERE is a great big mid-to-late-90s hip fashion thing we have totally forgotten, and it wasn't just ravers nosiree: SHIRTS WITH RACING STRIPES. Internet is kinda selectively down over here so I can't find a picture of one of the Split shirts I wore all the time early in college, but maybe one of y'all can.
― nabisco, Thursday, 18 September 2008 17:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
any multi-paragraph hipster analysis = tl;dr
― A bold plan drawn up by assholes to screw morons (dan m), Thursday, September 18, 2008 4:24 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
People who like to go see bands play at night wear unusual clothes.
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 18 September 2008 17:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
Or really: shirts with racing strips, ringer t-shirts (both often long-sleeve), baseball-style shirts with three-quarter sleeves, and shirts like this one:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/5/8649709_9b0d439836.jpg?v=0
Which is pictured on Graham Coxon because I seem to remember him and Damon Albarn both wearing loads of said type of pretty mid-to-late-90s shirt
― nabisco, Thursday, 18 September 2008 17:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
dude people have been wearing shirts like that as long as those kinds of shirts have been around which is basically since like 1975.
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 18 September 2008 17:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
Argh "people" have been wearing EVERYTHING ever since it was invented -- we're talking about moments when specific items seemed to have some purchase among those we're considering "hipsters"
― nabisco, Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
Answer to original question: I would prefer 1998 hipsters because that's 10 fewer hipsters.
― Everything is Highlighted (Hurting 2), Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Jordan, Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
and i would arugue that the word "hipster" here means "someone who goes to shows at night"
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
P.S. A lot of 90s hip-type fashions were staples in the late 70s, because a whole lot of GenXers went to a whole lot of thrift shops and basically just dressed in stuff from when they were kids, much of which we've mentioned -- dusty-colored corduroy flares, western shirts, three-quarter-sleeve baseball shirts, iron-on t-shirts with late-70s kid-culture detritus -- and then people started selling new versions of those things
― nabisco, Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
P.S. No shit
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
someone give this man a phd
― A bold plan drawn up by assholes to screw morons (dan m), Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
Whole thing feels like a pretty US-centric narrative. 1998 felt like the winding down of dance music as a 90s-defining thing (see the pants at the top). The whole 70s / ironic Tshirt indie thing was more marginal, and felt like a '93 type thing. Disagree entirely that 08 hipsters are more of a part scene: more conscious fashion, but less drugs, less mayhem.
― paulhw, Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
the ironic, secondhand t-shirt: indie staple for nearly 20 years. It is as specific to 1998 as boot-cut jeans and Converse.
― Pillbox, Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
nearly twenty years? so you mean, since... the 90's?
― I know, right?, Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
Since '92 for me, at least. And I have to imagine the cultural weather that brought the trend to my relatively small Michigan hometown started earlier, elsewhere.
― Pillbox, Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
O wait, that was a zing. I get it. s' cool bro.
― Pillbox, Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
when did this shit start?
― Jarlrmai, Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
The elephant in the room
xpost
― I know, right?, Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
what wrong with hedkandi?
― john mccain's illegitimate black child (musically), Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
I guess but I mean the cartoon super model raver chick art.
― Jarlrmai, Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
kinda reminds me of this.
― Jarlrmai, Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm more concerned about the one who's missing a nose. What kind of message is that to send to teenagers?
― Laurel, Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
"Turn your contrast down?"
― Jarlrmai, Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hed Kandi Graphic Design is so awful
― I know, right?, Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
"Coke will ruin your septum"
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm pretty sure i was a hipster in 1998 (i was 23, going to tons of shows) and i dressed pretty much like classic period shirley feeney. dresses for the important occasions, tight sweaters and lots of handbags and accessories. nothing was new and when i went out no one was wearing the same thing i was wearing. (people were dressed similarly sometimes, but i would have been horrified if someone had been wearing the same outfit...but that wouldn't have happened because all of my clothes were secondhand)
more like this
sort of like this but less cheez
― La Lechera, Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
in the winter
― La Lechera, Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
that episode of the OC
― I know, right?, Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
It is as specific to 1998 as boot-cut jeans and Converse.
Dude, if you think any of us are hoping or attempting to specify hip trends that existed solely during the year 1998 and then vanished between Christmas and New Year's, you vastly overestimate our ambition
― nabisco, Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
Dear ILX,
I formally apologize for having my head up my ass. I swear I'm not a moron, just a space case. Thank you for your continued tolerance of my over-obvious observations.
your friend,
pbx
― Pillbox, Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
you vastly overestimate our ambition
And our long-term memory.
― Laurel, Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
i was 13 in 1998 and i was wearing "husky" jeans
― THE GAMBLER (max), Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
so i think we can eliminate those as hip
I would go with 1998 hipsters, because 2008 hipsters are hipsters right now, while many 1998 hipsters have moved on to better lives.
― Aimless, Thursday, 18 September 2008 19:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
You know, it's the same exact people ... yes, they're in their 30s and still doing this shit.
― brad_stedmeier (burt_stanton), Thursday, 18 September 2008 20:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
You have to forgive him, there are parts of Brooklyn that actually do have this Children of Men quality where you can make yourself forget that live human births occurred after 1986 and before 2003
― nabisco, Thursday, 18 September 2008 20:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
― THE GAMBLER (max), Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:35 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i was 15, ditto
― u dont like my lyrics u can press ►► (deej), Thursday, 18 September 2008 20:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
the reason ppl can afford fashion now is that no one has to pay for cds
fuckin $20 albums
― u dont like my lyrics u can press ►► (deej), Thursday, 18 September 2008 20:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
Actually I take that back, his neighborhood at night always leaves me plenty aware that kids born after 1986 now think they deserve more bar space than me
― nabisco, Thursday, 18 September 2008 20:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
deej makes a good pointi spent a lot of money on music and long distance phone calls in 1998less on my clothes
― La Lechera, Thursday, 18 September 2008 20:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hed Kandi Graphic Design is so awful awesome
― I know, right?, Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:16 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― u dont like my lyrics u can press ►► (deej), Thursday, 18 September 2008 21:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha deej otm.
it's true tho, i always used to wonder how my true-blue indie rock loving friends managed to afford to keep up with everything
― s1ocki, Thursday, 18 September 2008 21:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
Whole thing feels like a pretty US-centric narrative.
i'd rather have a us-centric narrative than anything involving cargo pants + oakleys hipsters
― Jordan, Thursday, 18 September 2008 21:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
Possibly from the creators of Juno and Fuckface's Ultimate Playlist.
JUST saw this preview, wtFFFFFF
― ○◙genital grinder◙○ (roxymuzak), Friday, 19 September 2008 01:45 (1 year ago) Permalink