2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

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armisen has the stop and start cadences down.

horseshoe, Monday, 13 October 2008 03:15 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, for real, hes just hard to believe cause the timbre of his voice is so difft

max, Monday, 13 October 2008 03:17 (fifteen years ago) link

The guy who does mccain on SNL plays him exactly the same way he played Gore

Dan I., Monday, 13 October 2008 03:26 (fifteen years ago) link

McCain is really threatening to whip Obama!? O_o

Dan I., Monday, 13 October 2008 03:28 (fifteen years ago) link

another reason to look forward to the obama administration is that democratic and liberally-inclined media outlets may finally become so overwhelmed in the hurricane of terms-and-phrases-that-could-be-decoded-for-possible-bigotry-gotchas that it becomes passe, and we can all move on from this insipid era of paying attention to everything white crypto-racists have to say, because omg ppl are saying these things, in my country. it's fucking schrodinger's cat with some of this garbage. If a bigot says nigger in a trailer park, and one blogger hears him, did it affect the national energy policy?

El Tomboto, Monday, 13 October 2008 03:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Should not have used the "white" modifier in that post, in hindsight

El Tomboto, Monday, 13 October 2008 03:44 (fifteen years ago) link

^ blah blah blah N-word blah blah blah ^

Dan I., Monday, 13 October 2008 03:47 (fifteen years ago) link

;)

Dan I., Monday, 13 October 2008 03:47 (fifteen years ago) link

I see that talking about race is like tossing around a grenade with the pin out!

Dan I., Monday, 13 October 2008 03:50 (fifteen years ago) link

surprise?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 13 October 2008 03:50 (fifteen years ago) link

http://i37.tinypic.com/2mm7h2t.jpg

i was under the impression that he couldnt reach this high

joseph sixpack (ice crӕm), Monday, 13 October 2008 04:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Wednesday's debate is a sit-down debate similar to the 2004 VP debate. Playing really aggressive doesn't translate well. And if McCain's threatened ass-whupping is anything near his "gloves off" town-hall debate, I don't think Obama has anything to worry about.

ILX MOD (musically), Monday, 13 October 2008 04:19 (fifteen years ago) link

http://i34.tinypic.com/211qhoz.jpg

ILX MOD (musically), Monday, 13 October 2008 04:34 (fifteen years ago) link

jhosh 6pack makes a good point.

☑ (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 13 October 2008 04:49 (fifteen years ago) link

THIS meme on the other hand...

What IS she saying in that clip after all?

collardio gelatinous, Monday, 13 October 2008 04:51 (fifteen years ago) link

i have been wondering

joseph sixpack (ice crӕm), Monday, 13 October 2008 05:03 (fifteen years ago) link

i was under the impression that he couldnt reach this high

Puppetmasters.

nickn, Monday, 13 October 2008 05:26 (fifteen years ago) link

(xp) my pussy's so wide (from all the kids)

mccain's friends (jeff), Monday, 13 October 2008 06:11 (fifteen years ago) link

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3140/2937508908_e499678535.jpg?v=0

the pinefox, Monday, 13 October 2008 09:27 (fifteen years ago) link

haha Z S to thread for urgent pic animation!

Dan I., Monday, 13 October 2008 09:32 (fifteen years ago) link

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3178/2937519028_154f8d86a4.jpg?v=0

the pinefox, Monday, 13 October 2008 09:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Up-the-arse Corner

Doghouse O RLY (G00blar), Monday, 13 October 2008 09:52 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14508.html

On Sunday, hours before attending a big strategy meeting at McCain campaign headquarters, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) told Bob Schieffer on CBS’ “Face the Nation” that McCain was planning “a very comprehensive approach to jump-start the economy, by allowing capital to be formed easier in America by lowering taxes."

But when the meeting ended, so did plans for a new economy push. The campaign now says no new policy announcements are planned. Participants in the meeting refused to say what happened.

First Dude (The Reverend), Monday, 13 October 2008 09:58 (fifteen years ago) link

McCain also said in 2000 that he was going to "beat [Al Gore] like a drum"

Tracer Hand, Monday, 13 October 2008 10:07 (fifteen years ago) link

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/tracerhand/losersays.jpg

Tracer Hand, Monday, 13 October 2008 10:26 (fifteen years ago) link

http://fast.livecrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/dztob9jpg.gif

caek, Monday, 13 October 2008 10:28 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.movie-blast.com/Groundhog_day.jpg

Doghouse O RLY (G00blar), Monday, 13 October 2008 10:29 (fifteen years ago) link

what if this election was like that .. nov. 3rd 2008 will turn into nov. 4 2006 :-O

joe 40oz (deej), Monday, 13 October 2008 10:31 (fifteen years ago) link

or nov 7 2000

crusty but benign (kenan), Monday, 13 October 2008 10:40 (fifteen years ago) link

ofck

First Dude (The Reverend), Monday, 13 October 2008 10:51 (fifteen years ago) link

what if this election was like that .. nov. 3rd 2008 will turn into nov. 4 2006 :-O

dudes...daylight savings time FALLS BACK on november 2nd... SUSPICIOUS??????

Doctor Casino, Monday, 13 October 2008 11:58 (fifteen years ago) link

still not getting it

http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/13/mccain-resets-campaign-with-new-speech/

gabbneb, Monday, 13 October 2008 12:48 (fifteen years ago) link

The lead tenor in my current opera is an ex-marine who spelled out McCain's campaign strategy pretty succinctly:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OODA_Loop

Like sicking a little bit of water into my mouth (HI DERE), Monday, 13 October 2008 12:56 (fifteen years ago) link

interesting. the pundit cw is that the mccain campaign tries to win news cycles, i.e. days, while obama has a longer view. this latest gambit does (did) refocus attention on him (for a few hours).

gabbneb, Monday, 13 October 2008 13:00 (fifteen years ago) link

for New Yorkers: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/1211835/

gabbneb, Monday, 13 October 2008 13:26 (fifteen years ago) link

McCain is increasingly reminding me of the the kid in third grade who drank a bottle of Elmer's glue in order to get attention.

Nicole, Monday, 13 October 2008 13:35 (fifteen years ago) link

he could raise his hand

○◙i shine cuz i genital grind◙○ (roxymuzak), Monday, 13 October 2008 13:37 (fifteen years ago) link

http://i34.tinypic.com/20urbcm.jpg

joseph sixpack (ice crӕm), Monday, 13 October 2008 13:38 (fifteen years ago) link

??????????????????????????

joseph sixpack (ice crӕm), Monday, 13 October 2008 13:38 (fifteen years ago) link

is matt drudge some sort of massive republican wapper?

STINKING CORPSE (cozwn), Monday, 13 October 2008 13:53 (fifteen years ago) link

well yeah

○◙i shine cuz i genital grind◙○ (roxymuzak), Monday, 13 October 2008 13:54 (fifteen years ago) link

too meta, john.

it's like your running mate constantly saying "we understand the people of this country" without saying anything that demonstrates any understanding of them (or anything else). and you wonder why your ticket is way below half on all the leadership measures.

which is almost as stupid and fatal as announcing that you're going to "stage a comeback" before you've managed to, well, stage any comeback. mccain has always had a fatal where's-the-beef problem, and this is about as content-free as you can get: tell everyone what is going to happen as if the content of your campaign has already succeeded, without any concrete changes at all.

getting into "comeback mode" might be something you need to tell yourself, but the electorate doesn't respond to stage directions.

goole, Monday, 13 October 2008 14:00 (fifteen years ago) link

The lead tenor in my current opera is an ex-marine who spelled out McCain's campaign strategy pretty succinctly:

*from link*

Since the OODA Loop was designed to describe a single decision maker, the situation is usually much worse than shown as most business and technical decisions have a team of people observing and orienting, each bringing their own cultural traditions, genetics, experience and other information. It is no wonder that it is here that decisions often get stuck and the OODA Loop is reduced to the stuttering sound of “OO-OO-OO”.

I would pay quite a lot of money to see McCain saying that on Wednesday.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 October 2008 14:01 (fifteen years ago) link

To add on early to what Tombot was telling Pinefox & others, the John Dean book is critical to understanding wtf is going on right now. For today's reading, there's some more necessary background:

(1) One of our own threads: Dealing with Authoritarians; or, How to Talk to People Who Hate You

(2) Richard Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style in American Politics. Written 44 years ago and still massively relevant.

Perhaps the central situation conducive to the diffusion of the paranoid tendency is a confrontation of opposed interests which are (or are felt to be) totally irreconcilable, and thus by nature not susceptible to the normal political processes of bargain and compromise. The situation becomes worse when the representatives of a particular social interest --- perhaps because of the very unrealistic and unrealizable nature of its demands --- are shut out of the political process. Having no access to political bargaining or the making of decisions, they find their original conception that the world of power is sinister and malicious fully confirmed. They see only the consequences of power --- and this through distorting lenses --- and have no chance to observe its actual machinery. A distinguished historian has said that one of the most valuable things about history is that it teaches us how things do not happen. It is precisely this kind of awareness that the paranoid fails to develop. He has a special resistance of his own, of course, to developing such awareness, but circumstances often deprive him of exposure to events that might enlighten him --- and in any case he resists enlightenment.

We are all sufferers from history, but the paranoid is a double sufferer, since he is afflicted not only by the real world, with the rest of us, but by his fantasies as well...

(3) A essay in Harper's about the dolchstosslegende: Stabbed in the back! The past and future of a right-wing myth

(4) John Dean's book does much to publicize the work of Dr Bob Altemeyer at the Univ of Manitoba. Dr Bob then wrote a book called "The Authoritarians" and posted the entire thing online

the RHETERIC (kingfish), Monday, 13 October 2008 14:37 (fifteen years ago) link

I would esp. enjoy the guerilla edits the next day that added "Mr. Kotter" at the end. (xpost)

I'm the wire monkey, not the soft monkey (Rock Hardy), Monday, 13 October 2008 14:37 (fifteen years ago) link

I was wondering what Steve Schmidt was going to mumble about all this and behold:

McCain's chief strategist Steve Schmidt, in an interview on NPR's "Morning Edition," argued today that McCain's new "I'm a fighter" message will resonate with voters and that with three weeks left in the campaign, McCain still has time to overcome the polls.

Obama has "a history of closing weakly in the campaign," he said, while McCain has a reputation as a strong closer. "We believe that we're well within striking distance to win this election," Schmidt said.

Schmidt acknowledged that McCain's association with the Republican Party and an unpopular president has been a difficult hurdle for McCain to overcome.

"People are, right now -- they're angry, upset. We are disadvantaged by virtue of having an 'R' next to our name on the ballot in an election cycle where there's a lot of blame at the president, a lot of blame at the Republican party, as the party that's held the White House for the last eight years. That is a disadvantage for us in this race," Schmidt told NPR. "Sen. McCain is his own man. The next four years wouldn't look anything like the last eight years. He'll make that case to the American people over the course of the next weeks."

Well then.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 October 2008 15:46 (fifteen years ago) link


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