2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

this thread crashed my iphone!

regarding the flyerz: don't forget that stadiums can crank in cheering noise /tinfoilhat

"The only way John is going to salvage the election at this point is if he does something drastic: if I were him I'd pledge that I was only going to serve one term, that I would put all my focus on fixing the economy and not worry about making hard decisions for the sake of reelection. Americans might see right through it as another hail mary, but I think it's the only shot he's got left."

Republican strategist on CNN

you can't vote me out of office, i quit!

all the palin fans would cream their jeans if mccain did that. SQUEEEEEEEEEE.

http://crooksandliars.com/jamie/sarah-palins-email-crime-used-expose-crime

right now matt drudge and a lawyer friend of his are smashing up their own rental car outside of a motel in bumfuck and shouting at the appalled bystanders "YOU PEOPLE KILLED JESUS!! AND YOU VOTED FOR MITT ROMNEY!!"

FEARMONGERING AND OIL HABIT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL 04

i did that w/a friend once xp

oh yeah, they're booing. Just something so right about the sound of a hockey crowd booing, which is why you have a button for it on the table hockey games:

http://www.anzai.com/pics/eric%20table%20hockey.jpg

really?!

John Rogers had this comment, when talking about guys like Rich Lowry jizzing over the winking thing:

Modern American Conservatives have sunk to the intellectual and emotional level of the guy who thinks the stripper really likes him...

guys like Rich Lowry jizzing

why would you put this into my head

why

because it look intersting

It's so impossible to understand conservatives.

I wish I could remember which radio show I was listening to that was talking about a study they did with self-described conservatives... if you tell them a thing that they like, for instance that cutting taxes increases revenue, something like 30% of them say they believe it at face value. But if you provide evidence to the contrary, say from every economist and statistician on the planet, including people who work for Bush, they suddenly become more than twice as likely to believe it.

I think Tom has it right, it's all about that cave that they are right at this very moment alive in.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/11/politics/fromtheroad/entry4515246.shtml

After Palin finished her remarks this morning, the man holding the stuffed monkey seemed to notice that a video camera was pointed at him, at which point he removed the Obama sticker from the doll’s head and crumpling it up in his hand. He then handed the doll to a young boy who was watching the rally from his father’s shoulders. The boy’s parents later told CBS News that they weren’t acquainted with the man who gave their son the stuffed monkey.

"Takes offense at obama running for president"?

i was talking to a friend tonight baout things and, basically how i see is that there's nothing left to do but win. none of these crazy racist fuckheads are susceptible to reason, there's no argument left to be made, there's no more minds to change, they just have to lose and that's it.

that's kind of a content-free statement now that i look at it

still, it would be better to get as many people as possible to cross over beforehand and of their own volition so that they won't feel like embittered axe-to-grind losers afterwards, and obama is still converting people. the crazy racists might not be susceptible to reason, but the more benignly traditional/atavistic could be swayed simply by not wanting to be on a team that's performing embarrassingly badly while the other side is happily victorious. for people at the margin of the conservative movement, that, i think, might be overwhelm policy distinctions, or even occasional departures in "values" which might be long-held but latently and in an unexamined way. like the sheer positivity and amiable self-assurance of the obama campaign will continue to draw people off as the two sides continue to go their starkly different ways.

What is it about troglodyte racists and parking lots?

I still don't really accept that being 'conservative' is the same as being an insane rural right-winger. Many of us are conservative about a great many things, and always will be. It's not the 'conservatism' that's bad about people who are called political conservatives. It's the rancour and rampaging radicalism.

In my country that includes eg wanting to break up / sell off / marketize the health service and the BBC. In the US it includes eg overturning laws allowing abortion, possibly even shooting health workers who enact those laws; or wanting to send hundreds of thousands of young men abroad to occupy distant countries and remake the world map. These are not 'conservative' things to do.

As I said above I realize that this may be making too much of a banal distinction between small and big C conservatism. I guess I only keep saying it because people keep saying 'this is the conservative mindset'.

october 2000
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/05/tracking.poll/poll.gif

well done.

Oct. 11, 2000 - heading into the 2nd debate

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/11/tracking.poll/poll.gif

erm, doesn't the long-drawn out saga if the 200 election, the ballot fraud, and the supreme court denouement pretty much invalidate anything such graphs have to tell us?

*of the 2000 election

i think the point pinefox is trying to make is that he thinks the same 'stolen election' stuff could happen again. I think it's doubtful because mccain has no trajectory and I doubt it's going to be close like that again. Plus, if it happened, expect a civil war this time.

This oughta be fun:

John McCain to Visit CBS' 'LATE SHOW with DAVID LETTERMAN,' Thursday, Oct. 16

PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ --

2008 Republican Presidential nominee Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) will visit the LATE SHOW with DAVID LETTERMAN, Thursday, Oct. 16 (11:35 PM-12:37 AM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
This will mark Sen. McCain's first return to LATE SHOW since canceling his appearance on Sept. 24. His 13th visit to the program, it will also mark Sen. McCain's first LATE SHOW appearance since formally accepting his party's nomination at the Republican National Convention in Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minn. on Thursday, Sept. 4. He announced his candidacy for President on the LATE SHOW on Feb. 28, 2007.
In the 2008 race for the White House, the LATE SHOW also hosted Democratic Presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama, who visited the broadcast on Wednesday, Sept. 10.
Also on the LATE SHOW Thursday, Oct. 16 will be musical guest Ne-Yo.

I hope they duet.

He announced his candidacy for President on the LATE SHOW on Feb. 28, 2007.

Maybe he'll take this opportunity to step down.

Fearful symmetry

he can afford to let somebody else crash this one into the ground, his reputation seems secure in that regard.

When a cofounder of RedState can't even vote for John McCain...

the fact that mccain's campaign sent her to philly to drop the puck is maybe the most telling little detail in just how clueless they are

http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/3/10/6/f_dztob9m_ebd5461.gif

biden really does look like he's about to spit in his empty Dew bottle there

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/9061/racistbf5.png

Years from now, future readers of this thread are going to think, Boy, they sure did like to post that pussy .gif.

i can't even load this whole thread anymore

Reading a (Dutch) article that focussed not on the differences but the things McCain and Obama have in common, raised a question. The article states both Obama and McCain oppose gay marriage (this alone came as a shock to me, I thought Obama was at least 'mildly' in favor of gay marriage). I was surprised, but found this to be true and could verify it with the help of lots of newspaper articles on the internet.

Seeing the above posted sign by Cozen stresses this even more, why is Obama not in favor of a full same sex marriage? Doesn't it go well with other Dems? (and if not, WTF?) Is he affraid it will cost him votes? (and again, if so, WTF?)

Learning about his stance on gay marriage (Obama won't go further then some sort of contract, right?) is my first major dissapointment with him.

Open this thread completely and you'll see every kind of argument for/against Obama's stance.

This thread was started on the 11th September. Surely it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a new thread that focuses on the final few weeks before polling day?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7665925.stm 106 yr old nun who hasn't voted since 1952 is voting for Obama.

Open this thread completely and you'll see every kind of argument for/against Obama's stance.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:58 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

I believe I already have read everything, following it from the beginning. But I'll start over...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081012/pl_politico/14495

Thus, McCain’s running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, spent Saturday morning in Johnstown — an industrial area in southwestern Pennsylvania dominated by the type of older, white, working-class, socially conservative voters who favored Clinton over Obama in the primary — where Palin blasted Obama’s support for abortion rights as “absolutely radical.”

http://www.basementarcade.com/arcade/auction/Pw2005/Radical.jpg

and

The problem is that Obama dropped $2.2 million in the first week of the month, his third highest total behind Ohio and Florida, and his campaign has 79 offices in the Keystone State — nearly twice McCain’s total, which could give Obama an edge in the get-out-the-vote battle.

Le Bateau Ivre, are you American? The issue is much more complicated in people's minds here than logic would seem to dictate. Bottom line, openly supporting same-sex marriage is not a safe position for a (national) Democrat to take.

Alfred, I see now, missed this all entirely. Sounds to me Sara Sara Sara was OTM with "Nader supported gay marriage (in 2000, 2004, 2008) and didn't hide behind that "state's rights" cop-out like Obama is (the irony of which is kind of fucking tragic)"

followed by Shakey and

"but I mean, in fairness, I gotta say that according to me anybody who doesn't support gay marriage vocally & publicly is a total fucking asshole & I wish there were a Hell for them to roast in, so I'm not really the most realistic dude on the subject

― J0hn D., Friday, September 19, 2008 10:29 PM (3 weeks ago)"