2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

comments indicate Toby Keith also an Obama supporter?

maybe the book which neither of us has read really only has one chapter to do w/obama - in that case it has a misleading title

No. The subtitle is "Politics and Race in the Age of Obama". This suggests that the primary subject is not the individual Barack Obama, but rather a broader historical moment. That she calls it "the age of Obama" suggests that she sees his rise as exemplary of this historical moment, not that she'll spend her entire book on him.

the point of mccain and palin's beef is to pre-emptively defend any palin errors, to make note ("i'm just saying, is all") roger adultery style of the race element, and to play into the republican persecution complex. the conflict of interest thing is a distant fourth imo.

re: that new ad, is mccain actually trying to lower expectations for biden? how is that a good idea? the line about 7-11's is gaffe gold, but "ooh, he's gonna look stupid" seems like the wrong tack before a debate.

unless they're priming dittoheads

Ralph Stanley ad is teh awesome!!!

jho you know i love ya but ifill's been on the debate schedule since it was originally drawn up, and the negotiations would have been the proper time to contest that -- both campaigns agreed to have her moderate the vp debate months ago, so these last minute objections are pretty weak sauce

i mean, this is ignoring the obvious subtext that ifill is biased because she is BLACK

that is a terrible ad, tactically, it makes biden seem pretty loveably stupid

i also liked the wacky ragtime music

haha, that zany joe biden and what is he talking about!!! the background music in that ad, so precious

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Is it arch to point out that the content of Ifil's book is essentially irrelevant to anyone predisposed to believe in the 'media bias against Palin' meme? And that the title tells these people all they need to know?

biden should make a deliberate gaffe at the beginning of the debate, just to maybe innoculate himself against worse gaffes later on.

yah he should also joke about gaffes early on, then if he catches him making one during the debate he can channel reagan and go 'there i go again' and everyone will laugh and his minus will become a plus

pre-emptive gaffe

joe biden fan fic

the biden doctrine

how about he lets go a whimsical, tension-cutting fart

pre-gaffe.

That she calls it "the age of Obama" suggests that she sees his rise as exemplary of this historical moment, not that she'll spend her entire book on him.

Usually authors don't get to name their own books. That's the publisher's decision, based on what will sell.

how about he lets go a whimsical, tension-cutting fart

There's your Joe Sixpack.

o yah not misleading at all: the rise of this guy WHO SELLS A LOT OF BOOKS really exemplifies this historical moment

factiod the original title was AMERICA: COLIN POWElL HAS HANDSOME HAIR

who the fuck cares. unless she calls sarah a cracker, all this means is that the repubs will whine about reverse racism, which ain't gonna give that much of a sympathy bounce.

yes ZS you're right. xxxpost i have no idea whether ifill or publisher came up w/ title. i just meant that the title does NOT suggest that it's all about obama, as joe sixpack contends.

wrt to Ralph Stanley; did someone already mention that Merle Haggard endorses Obama? He was for W back in the day, then for Clinton in the primaries this year, but he's no PUMA.

ah bless ya mr stanley

ultimately i do trust ifill to do a fine job - but the debate committee or whoever they are shouldve aired this one out

how long is the debate? 90 minutes?

more on mechanics: each candidate will have 90 seconds to respond to each question, followed by a 2 minute discussion period.

they'll need to do some airing out for sure if biden "releases the tension"

pretty strong:

yes ZS you're right. xxxpost i have no idea whether ifill or publisher came up w/ title. i just meant that the title does NOT suggest that it's all about obama, as joe sixpack contends.

― collardio gelatinous, Thursday, October 2, 2008 1:57 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if theres no argument running through the book abt why obama exemplifies this age then the title is misleading - if there is then the book is at least somewhat all about obama

regardless yr argument is pedantic completely ignoring the marketing angle which anyone one who wasnt parsing like an academic could plainly see was intended to imply that the book is about obama why dont you go ahead and buy it

i'm a pedant, what can i say.

who is that clip above

omg you guys are having the most stupid conversation ever

AFL-CIO's Richard Trumka on Racism and Obama xp

u r the stupidest conversation ever

Dear Journalists,

We’re writing to inform you that there’s an injustice being carried out in the late weeks of this presidential campaign, a blight that threatens the reputation of the entire journalistic profession. We’re referring to “gotcha journalism”—a failure on the part of the media to demonstrate the proper deference to the public officials who serve us, protect us, and put our country first—and we fear that it is spreading, like a worm through bad apples, among normally self-respecting, respectful reporters. Members of the press have lately been asking direct questions of a vice presidential candidate who has done little to deserve such questioning.

Yes, we know. It is horrifying.

link here: http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/hey_gotcha_caughtcha.php

omg you guys are having the most stupid conversation ever

At least we touched on the vital need for Joe Biden to be loudly flatulent at a public forum on TV.

omg you guys are having the most stupid conversation ever

i know! help!

you have GOT to stop talking about what the title of that book means. you should talk about something different, like is sarah palin's lipstick actually a TATTOO?

At least we touched on the vital need for Joe Biden to be loudly flatulent at a public forum on TV.

srsly if he did that it would touch off a landslide for O/B.

wait now i'm getting confused, a pitbull with lipstick, or a pitbull with tatoos?

u cant ask the most stupid conversation ever for protection from the most stupid conversation ever

i mean u can but it prob wont help

this is only the 19th most stupid conversation ever on the primary thread.

also who the fuck cares this is the internet

this is the most important conversation ever in the history of the age of obama

let's talk about gwen ifill's hair

how can we even gauge how stupid it is, 19th or otherwise, if it is so stupid?

McCain's campaign is all about keeping the Republican base and getting every vote Bush got in 2004. That is about as good as they can do this election year. All the 'stupid' things McCain's surrogates say sound different to those voters than to us.

It is also good to recall that Bush received more votes than any candidate had ever received up to that time, even though his margin of victory was not especially large. So, keeping that number of votes will put them into respectable territory.

The last part of their strategy will be pure Rove as well: limiting the total number of voters, especially in urban areas, by any means, fair or foul. If some method can be found to keep turnout low in big cities, they stand a chance.

I am a bit surprised that the Obama campaign has not tried harder to tap into the MASSIVE voter anger about the Wall Street bailout package. This issue is definitely a huge groundswell that could be harnassed better by his campaign. Although, a straight-ahead flaying of the bankers and bond traders would spook the markets something fierce, my estimate is that the markets are going into the tank, regardless.

will Gwen Ifill straighten her hair for tonight?