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Because DG demanded it! Who's your favorite captain/commander: Pike, Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, or Archer? Did you read any of those books? How are the movies? Spock vs Data: who wins? Etc.

― Dan Perry, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Here we go. *cracks knuckles*

Never watched the original series much (wasn't alive at the time of the originals, don't recall seeing the reruns), but became a fan of the movies when they started. Fell into things fully when TNG began (watched from the first episode to the last) and still followed those films, though after starting with both Deep Space Nine and Voyager I gave them up fully in late 1995 and never looked back. Have a couple of the, ahem, 'technical manuals' around the place but that's about it -- the other books I've avoided. Have no costumes, have always avoided any kind of conventions general or specific, take cruel pleasure in laughing at Shatner's follies in the fifth movie, as should we all (the fake MST version is the only one to see, frankly).

Unsurprisingly, Picard is my fave (I was actually a Patrick Stewart fan already), but both Avery Brooks and Kate Mulgrew did excellent jobs in their Sisko and Janeway roles. Scott Bakula as Archer just scares me as a concept. TNG cast my favorite ensemble bunch, though I will give it up (oh yes) for George Takei, Nichelle Nichols, DeForest Kelley, Leonard Nimoy, Terri Farrell, Alexander Siddiq, Rene Auberjonois, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran and Robert Picardo. Data ist rad. And so forth.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I didn't demand it, I just said I was *expecting* it. I shall answer the question myself after a few more posts.

― DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

what is this rubbish about kirk not being the best captain? i watched star trek II the other night, it is clearly the greatest film of all time. singular episodes of the original series make up my childhood. i remember my parents watching the next generation when it premiered and thinking, what is this boring crap? whereas wrath of khan scared me so bad i couldn't sleep (the bug- in-ear part, naturally). deep space nine and voyager are even worse. it's like if they made 'the prisoner: the next generation' with some bald dumbass replacing mcgoohan, and then made two more that were even worse shit. the original is one of the greatest television shows of all time and now it has been diluted to a bad punchline by greedy cash-ins. fuck paramount.

― ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

The official DG view:
Original Series: Classic, except for most of season 3, which was poo.
Next Generation: Dud until 'Best Of Both Worlds', then got quite good.
Deep Space Nine: Undecided, it hasn't really grabbed me but the last season is on BBC2 at the moment and that's quite good I suppose.
Voyager: Dud with occasional Classic moments.
Films: I like most of them, especially II and III, but V, VII and IX are dud.
Basically I like the original best, like Ethan it was wot I watched when a tiny (on Friday nights at my grandparents' house while parents were off doing weekly food shop), but even now I still find it is more enjoyable and has a lot more charm than recent Trek (my Trekkie aunt recently dumped her entire collection of Original Series vids and other stuff on me, not that I'm ungrateful). Voyager is, in general, a travesty (how many shuttles do they have? how many crewmen? how many times must they end up in a temporal warp/unknown energy field etc) with a few redeeming features, but I don't think that it bodes well for the future. I'll give the new Trek series a chance, but I'm almost certain it will be *even worse* than Voyager. I mean, Quantum Leap bloke? Pffff.

― DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

it's funny how they could never emulate the visual timelessness of the original series. the wonderful set design, the flat grey interiors, the uniforms, it all seemed RIGHT. whereas all series afterwards have used beige minivan consoles with the crew wearing cheap polyester halloween costumes.

note: star trek: the motion picture looked awful. but all the ones after that were awesome. how much cooler would next generation have been if they had those burgundy uniforms? kirk looked like the motherfucker in EVERY MOVIE wearing that shit.

― ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, red uniforms = the best. The original series is the best because the universe is just so unfriendly, not to mention the Enterprise interior decor. And the ships looked better, not interstellar Nissan Micras like they are post-TNG.

― DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I will grant both movie II (and the ear scene in particular, freaked me out as an eleven-year-old -- Nick Meyer, the secret to success) and indeed the kick-ass burgundy uniforms, one of the best design decisions of the entire sequence. However, though there's easily enough ham- handedness in the later series to offset the ones in the original and all, where Ethan and DG see Goodness and Rightness, I see...well, a sixties TV series. For some this is enough, but not me. And I'll take the bald motherfucker, thank you. Kirk got his ass kicked by a bearded guy pretending to be God, Picard took on the Borg several times and won. ;-)

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Problem with that is, Ned, I like 60s TV series. I like the original because it's good campy fun, whereas I find TNG and after a bit too serious for their own good. And they wear silly uniforms. And Picard is a Frenchman with an English accent, which is silly.

― DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Oh, I don't mind The Avengers and the like. But though sf is always not so much a projection of the future as an encapsulation of obsessions of the now, I find the disjunction between what the original series is and what it is supposed to be hard to deal with. Everything since then does indeed take itself more seriously, a reflection of the inevitable result of its popularity (you can just as easily argue that Star Wars suffers from the same problem, if it is one). Yet somehow that appeals to me more. The inevitable end result was actually Babylon 5, where a serious, overarching story was paramount (but which I could never stand myself, because for the most part the acting was so freakin' bad).

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Then we'll have to politely agree to disagree, then. I've never seen Babylon 5, so I couldn't comment on that.

― DG, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

DG: watching babylon 5 is like getting the ear thing, only not as interesting.

ned: you think picard is tougher than picard. what. the. fuck. did you see wrath of khan? did you see that shit? he fucking kicked khan's fucking vinyl-chested ass. 'oh, yeah, you have genesis, khan but you don't have me. if you want me, you're going to have to come down here. you're GOING to HAVE to COME DOWN HERE!!!@#@@!$#'. you can say ANYTHING ELSE about kirk vs. picard, picard is smarter and more civil and professional or whatever the fuck, but nobody in their right fucking mind would say that he's tougher than motherfucking kirk. i am actually literally angry about this, so i need to calm down now. christ, i'm such a trekkie.

― ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

you think picard is tougher than picard.

I thought it was Riker who had the twin. ;-)

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

grr, you know what i meant, i was just blinded by rage .

that riker transporter twin episode is some stupid shit though.

― ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

speaking of riker, here's an important point i forgot to make, NUMBER OF HATABLE CHARACTERS PER SERIES:

original series: chekov...maybe, but that's stretching it. he kicks ass in the movies, he's just sort of useless on the show. but the original cast (chekov being a second series addition) is flawless.

next generation: RIKER RIKER RIKER, troi, that doctor who replaced crusher for one year, yar, data (come on, admit it. he's a super-advanced andriod and he can't understand common phrases? he thinks a 'lemon' is a literal lemon for god's sake. i'm sure the writers kissed each other for how fucking cute that was. anyway mudd's women were way smarter). and WESLEY. geordie would get on my nerves if he were played by anyone but le var burton, but he's a childhood icon and can therefore do no wrong.

deep space nine: the only memorable character besides the captain (who is cool) is quark the ferengi (who is also cool). but the rest aren't even fleshed-out enough to annoy me. wait, no, the short-haired chick with the ridges on her nose aggravates the piss out of me. and the doctor, god.

voyager: it has an indian. and an asian guy. and a black vulcan. and the captain is a woman. only as annoying as that new ghostbusters cartoon where one of the ghostbusters was in a wheelchair. like, what the hell?

evidence that kirk is the best captain: all series after that have had kirk ripoffs that are nowhere as good as kirk because they are not as cool as the godly shatner. like riker, or that really forgettable womanizer guy from voyager. i mean, what the hell, don't you just want to punch riker in the face? does anyone not want to? anyone?

― ethan, Monday, 23 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

KIrk could kick picard's ass any day. Kirk was like a slutty brawling egotist and picard was an anal retentive bald french yuppie. I bet Spock coul d beat up data too. He would use some weird Vulcan technique. Bones was so much more likeable and tougher than that redhaired shit doctor on next generation. Wesley crusher was such a stupid littel prick. I'll take Chekov over him anyday. And I dug Uhurus sexy legs, She was a hootchie mama in that miniskirt

― Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I agree that Wesley should have been killed. Very very very VERY FUCKING SLOWLY.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Kirk boffed green alien slave girls with cleavage one could ski down. That alone made him cooler than any subsequent Captain. Other than him, my favorite Star Trek character was Q (what an asshole! what's there not to love about Q?)

All-time favorite episode is "Charlie X," where the Enterprise picks up some teenaged human waif from a planet, who then runs around the ship melting off the faces through telekinesis (?) of various crew members whenever he's teased or horny. What teenager couldn't identify with that?

― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Chekov wasn't so bad in the TV series. He was essential because he had the greatest scream, which talent always came in handy when some breed of nasty aliens had some fiendish torture device. Ergo, Chekov = classic.

― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

q was awesome, yeah, but just because he made fun of picard. the whole concept was ripped off from that original series episode with the godlike alien who turns out to be just a spoiled kid, and that storyline is better than anything that ever had q in it anyway.

― ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Does knowing the difference between a trekker and a trekkie and then claiming you're a trekker instantly make you a trekkie?

I remembered TNG being great when I was 12, but I watched a few of them more recently and they were AWFUL, even the later ones. I think I might have quite liked Deep Space Nine later on, when they started having season-long story arcs, but I never saw enough of them to make sense of what was going on.

― John Davey, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

everyone likes ricardo montalban, no?

― gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

D U D!

How come most of the crew are American yet NONE of them are chronically obese? (except Scotty who's - ahem - ""Scottish"")

In the 60s it was a bizarre mix of US military 'might is right' fascism and Hippy-dippy, 'why can't all nations hold hands?' idealism (though still managing to be sexist ~ Uhura the Captains secretary and Yoaman Rand (is that right) the Captains bit of [onboard] fluff. AND THATS IT SISTERS!)

It should have ended there as it ran out of ideas and people stopped watching it. But OH NO, they had to bring it back in the 80s with over-long, plodding bore-a-thon 'Next Generation' episodes that tapped into the touchy-feely / inner-child / New-Age nonsense that was on the go at the time. I mean - Counsellor Troi = WHY? She even sits on the bridge next to the Captain!! the message is in the 25th Century a bloody social worker is one of the most important jobs on a space ship.

But it was all so clinical and corperate and soul-less, advocating Pro-conformity and how you should be a good citizen. And too much sanctimonious liberal finger-wagging for my liking.

And it starred Whoopi Goldberg.

And how come all the baddies end up as the Federation's (UGH!) freind, taking tokenistic jobs as Navigators etc?

And why was it always so fucking BORING?

― D*A*V*I*D*M, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

star trek. sanctimonious. surely not? heh heh heh

― gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Voyager totally kicks the ass of *all* previous incarnations. Because Voyager slash fiction features 7of9, who iz meh on- screen, sexwise, but as a conceptual device in print iz rowr

― mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

What is the point of Riker? What the hell is his 'schtick'?

― dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

The point of Riker was to dilute the Wesley Hatred. This plan backfired when Wesley left and Riker grew a smug beard, turning him into one of the worst things ever. I kept hoping that he and Troi would get sucked into a black hole.

― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I could tolerate Troi's psychobabble only because of her cleavage. And her ass. Other than that, she was useless.

Another Star Trek I had over the other incarnations -- BETTER BACKGROUND MUSIC! Esp. that duh-dum-duh-dum-DUH-DUM-duh-dum theme whenever Kirk's ass was in deep ship.

― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I second the post about Troi's assets! The 'psychobabble' thing was hilarious - somebody's biting their nails quickly and their eyes are darting around the room, and Troi's insight is, "He is obviously nervous and anxious about something."

― dave q, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

orig.Star Trek composer = v.influenced by Varese... hey, like someone else TS has a tatse for, methinks?

― mark s, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

My problem is that I never thought Troi was all that attractive. I mean, Dr. Crusher had more going for her on a purely physical level, IMO, and she wasn't saddled with blurting out painfully obvious lines that inadvertantly made the rest of the crew seem retarded for not being able to pick up on obvious visual cues.

On the other hand, Troi's mother was AWESOME.

― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

dan, you're scaring me now.

― gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Troi's Mom more attractive than Troi? Dan, you really are the Evil Clown ;-)

And the original ST's music was Varese-influenced, hey? Hmmmm ... never knew that! Maybe I should go over to that "Who Opened Your Ears" thread in ILM and change an answer or two of mine :-)

― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

NONONONONONO!

Troi's mom was cooler than Troi, not more attractive! Aigh, my eyes!

― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Trying to advance the human race through space diplomacy... until they kill all the people [aliens] at the end of the episode/movie. At least Star Wars was honest.

― JM, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Why, Dan, why can't you admit that you've got some love of the grey in you? Before Joei came along, I'm sure you were searching for your own Mrs. Robinson for after-school lessons...

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

star wars, honest? it makes no fuckin sense. darth vader tells luke that if he strikes out against him in anger then he will become just like him, and then luke strikes out in anger, and then he wins and everyone's happy? that whole movie is shit anyway because george lucas had an INFINITE fucking pool of ideas to choose from and a huge budget to carry it out, and what does he do? ANOTHER death star and ANOTHER darth/luke lightsaber battle. fuck george lucas, the only good one was empire strikes back and he didn't direct that.

troi: not attractive.

crusher: nuh-uh.

troi's mom: uh.

that guy who was troi's mom's butler or something and was the guy who played lurch in the addams family movies: mrowr.

question: who liked first contact? it was like a next generation episode, only like, cool. plus, supercool supporting cast with alfre woodard and the farmer guy from babe.

someone start a star wars thread so i can bitch about how much that sucks except for empire strikes back.

― ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Ethan:
1) There already is a Star Wars thread, it should be in the 'films' category, though it might be under 'culture', not sure.
2) First Contact was wicked at the cinema, but overall I found it a bit disappointing they had to spend the middle part of the film trying to make it like 'Aliens'.

― DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I like the way the guys in the red shirts who form part of the away team with the main characters always get killed. Original series only for me, Dr McCoy is great! I wish I could be more like Spock.

― james e l, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Ah, this is great, I was expecting to be beaten about the head by fans of TNG...the original series rules!

― DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

i'm glad they tried to make the middle of it like aliens. aliens was wicked. anything that makes next generation have more explosions and blood is good.

hey i just remembered something else i liked in next generation, although it's from that bastard movie where kirk dies (falling off a walkway! the fuck? he's saved the universe like two hundred times and he falls of a walkway and dies? fuck). um anyway, i liked when data said 'shit'.

― ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Counsellor Trios ass and tits were ok, but that nose ruined all. Still I bet Riker would often chuckle with Warf about how if she had a abg over her head he'd do her, and then Warf would probaby say "Yeah, and her fore head isnt bumpy enough". There was an episode when the crew was all morphin ginto prehistoric froms of themselves and Warf came on to Trio by saying "GET OUT OF THAT BATH! " and biting her. Not very romantic, those Vulcans.

― Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Riker and Picard are both closeted fags ( in trek and IRL)

― anthony, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

THey didn't seem to be too closeted to me. PIcard always strutted about like a flamboyant ass -peacock in heat.

― Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

I kinda like Enterprise, especially that superflous shower scene in the first epidode. And the 80's power ballad theme tune is great.

― jel --, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

Jel, are you on Klingon Krack? That is the worst theme song ever ever ever!

― Andrew L, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

Andrew said it all. Jel, you have given way to insanity.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

Riker was surely a weak attempt at a Kirk junior. Troi was hilarious. On the viewscreen appears some sweaty guy with his clothes torn and blood running down one shoulder, screaming in the background, phaser blasts zooming past his ears saying "No, no, everything is fine. DON'T BRING ANY WEAPONS WHEN YOU BEAM DOWN!" and she says "Captain - I sense he may not be telling us the whole truth".

Andrew L has not mentioned his great expertness in this area, for some reason. I know about it because I very briefly worked under him on a Star Trek magazine!

― Martin Skidmore, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Nope, the theme tune is definetely great. Sort of like all those brilliant power ballads that were number one in the 1980's. Anyway, the new captain is about to probe a planet...

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

Another new euphemism! But you're still insane, Jel.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

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a crime to watch tng off celluloid really

― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Friday, 26 April 2013 03:13 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

We saw this. After drinks. I appreciated the interviews and bloopers.

― mh, Friday, 26 April 2013 04:02 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Ours worked...sorry Carl & Jeff that blows!

We left before the bloopers...I didnt care about that as much as the show itself which looked RAD

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 04:20 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

God help me I love the bloopers. It's embarrassing how hard they make me laugh. I blame early exposure to America's Funniest Home Videos.

This just means we'll need to pony up for the remastered season 3 DVDs ASAP. Then I can watch all the TNG whenever I want without having to smell somebody's dirty laundry. Hmph.

― carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 12:15 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I'm glad this issue was limited to that stupid theater where we were, though!

― carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 12:15 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

psst carl check yr email

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 16:27 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I did nothing is happening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 16:33 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i sent it via yr ilx email

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 16:34 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

It's like last night all over again.

Try carlagathaparty at gmail.

― carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 16:35 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Netflix has made me into quite the budding TNG Trekkie - at the end of season three now. I see I am in good company.

― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 26 April 2013 16:40 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

xpost okay NOW check your email

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 16:41 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I DID I GOT IT OMG

― carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 16:51 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

ffm, imo, Best of Both Worlds kicks is where the series really gets its bearings. There are some... interesting choices in S1 and 2, 3 gets better, and 4 is where it turns into an amazing show.

Also when you finish TNG, do check out DS9. VG will back me up on that one.

― carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 16:53 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

DS9 YESYESYES

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 16:54 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

but yeah, season 3 TNG and after is much better than the first 3 seasons

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 16:55 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

We're rewatching DS9 now for kicks, actually. So good. Benjamin Sisko is so amazing. I love how Avery Brooks plays him as such a weirdo sometimes. He's just weird enough that make him really believable and relatable. And sometimes hilarious.

(One ep in particular that we just watched is the one where a remnant of the Cardassian security system on the station thinks there's been a worker revolt and Sisko's response when SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT he averts the warp core breach is just perfect.)

― carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 17:03 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I love most of what I've seen so far but I am a campy, silly individual. Looking forward to S4!

― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 26 April 2013 17:06 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i've been re-watching DS9 too, but in a strange move for me I have begun to watch VOYAGER. and i like it! kind of a lot? I haven't gotten very far into it, but I am down.

TNG is my fave for all time i think.

― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 26 April 2013 17:07 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

best is to watch Best Of Both Worlds and follow up with episode 1 of Deep Space Nine

Sisko pwning Picard is my single favorite moment ever. So badass. From that moment on, I was on the Sikso train.

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 17:11 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I don't know. That scene was like seeing my parents fight, if my parents were two badass starship captains. It definitely lets you know off the bat that DS9 is going to be different from other Star Treks since they were released from the constraints of being unable to talk bad about the Federation.

ffm, as a campy, silly individual, you will at least enjoy the S1 DSP episode "Move Along Home." That rivals TNG S1 for some smdh moments.

ian - I like Voyager, too!

― carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 17:22 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

"Move Along Home" nearly put me off ds9. much worse than i remembered.

― i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 26 April 2013 17:35 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Allamaraine, count to four,
Allamaraine, then three more

― carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 17:47 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

next you guys are gonna be all into critically re-evaluating Enterprise...

― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 April 2013 17:52 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

what's that supposed to mean

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 17:55 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

it means Voyager is terrible

― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 26 April 2013 17:56 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Shut up.

― carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 18:20 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 18:22 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

We are midway through tng season six right now, so deep in the hole of tng love. Have NEVER rly seen ds9 so p psyched to get to that too.

Btw GNP crescendo just announced they are putting out a remastered & expanded cd of Ron Jones' completely awesome orchestra/synth hybrid score for BOBW in the next month or so. The rest of Jones' tng music got released in a giant box set from the FSM label a few years ago but GNP retained the rights to BOBW only. I'm rly glad it's coming out bc GNP's old BOBW cd has pretty crappy sound quality.

― brad palsy (Jon Lewis), Friday, 26 April 2013 18:50 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

mr veg just emailed me a clip of Jones' score - the 'Engage' sequence from the cliffhanger. So glorious.

and yeah, the score sounded wonderful last night

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 18:53 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

the s1 ds9 episode where odo and troi's mom are stuck in an elevator and odo needs to get back to his bucket is pretty hilarious

― (⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Friday, 26 April 2013 18:59 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

We all need to get back to our buckets sooner or later

― mackleless (latebloomer), Friday, 26 April 2013 19:17 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

^^^ rule of shape-shifting #37

― (⊙_⊙?) (Alan N), Friday, 26 April 2013 19:21 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Odo looks so gross when he's about to liquefy.

Btw GNP crescendo just announced they are putting out a remastered & expanded cd of Ron Jones' completely awesome orcestra/synth hybrid score for BOBW in the next month or so.

That's awesome. I love the TNG eps that he scored.

― carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 19:37 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Wait, better to say: I love his music for TNG.

― carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 19:38 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

That Ron Jones TNG box set is on Spotify, btw.

― carl agatha, Friday, 26 April 2013 19:45 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I don't even like Star Trek but the other night I spent about an hour trying to persuade someone of the flawed value of its communist utopianism, and for that I blame this thread.

― the kind of man who best draws girls' eyeballs (Merdeyeux), Friday, 26 April 2013 19:48 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

then you DO like stark trek

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 22:01 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

star trek

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 April 2013 22:01 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah the Ron jones box is also avail on emusic iTunes etc in addition to spotify. I am particularly fond of the music for 'night terrors' and 'Data's Day' right now...

― brad palsy (Jon Lewis), Friday, 26 April 2013 22:35 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

http://store.gnpcrescendo.com/new/product_info.php?products_id=230

― Moron Tabernacle Chior (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:21 (1 week ago) Permalink

Kai Winn. What a JERK. I love her.

― carl agatha, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 02:50 (4 days ago) Permalink

Actually I hate her, but I love what an excellent villain she is.

― carl agatha, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 02:51 (4 days ago) Permalink

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2013/05/boldly-going-to-houghton/

― Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 14:54 (3 days ago) Permalink

Which I read about here: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vault/2013/05/14/star_trek_pages_from_the_writers_guide_for_the_original_series.html

― Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 14:58 (3 days ago) Permalink

Which also links to this:
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/houghtonmodern/2011/11/03/live-long-and-prosper-and-dont-put-anything-in-the-crews-pockets/

― Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 15:04 (3 days ago) Permalink

HARD CUT to lights blinking on computer console, PULL BACK to REVEAL this thread entering Custos territory

― go cray cray on my lobster soufflé (snoball), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 15:13 (3 days ago) Permalink

Ok is there a good point for starting with DS9 once you've watched the pilot?

― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 15:17 (3 days ago) Permalink

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_completist/2013/05/star_trek_movies_and_tv_series_which_are_the_best_why.single.html

Really good article at totally OTM.

― Jeff, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 15:39 (3 days ago) Permalink

that your nickname for slate now?

― we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 15:40 (3 days ago) Permalink

Ok is there a good point for starting with DS9 once you've watched the pilot?

― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:17 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

S1E1? I mean, there's some o_O eps in the first season, but they lay the foundation for the major story arc from the beginning so I think it's worth dealing with the occasional Move Along Home to get that grounding in the series overall.

― carl agatha, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 15:42 (3 days ago) Permalink

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