Hey, who knows exactly when that CERN world-ending particle accelerator gets turned on because we want to host a party with a countdown...

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When come back, bring pi

StanM, Friday, 20 November 2009 05:35 (fourteen years ago) link

A clockwise beam has just gone half way round the LHC.

Would be nice if the world could end AFTER payday instead of before, thanks.

James Mitchell, Friday, 20 November 2009 18:52 (fourteen years ago) link

wtf? so you can be about to buy something and then die?
use credit card and no pay bill due to end of world

Shackleton Crater (jdchurchill), Friday, 20 November 2009 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8371662.stm

bracken free ditch (Ste), Friday, 20 November 2009 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

achieved a stable circulating beam just after 9:00gmt

bracken free ditch (Ste), Friday, 20 November 2009 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/11/large_hadron_collider_ready_to.html

StanM, Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link

yes, you read that URL correctly: large hadron collider ready to html!

StanM, Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:26 (fourteen years ago) link

msnbc is calling it a "Big Bang machine"!

The Viceroy (Viceroy), Saturday, 21 November 2009 01:14 (fourteen years ago) link

lol europe <3

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/lhc_11_20/l02_00903080.jpg

caek, Saturday, 21 November 2009 01:36 (fourteen years ago) link

ohgeez. i am excited tho.

also, lol respect for:

When come back, bring pi
― StanM, Friday, November 20, 2009 12:35 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

:D

paragon of incalescence (rrrobyn), Saturday, 21 November 2009 07:47 (fourteen years ago) link

It's from http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/pie btw :-)

StanM, Saturday, 21 November 2009 09:11 (fourteen years ago) link

I sure hope that a tiny part of the budget went to the installation of the "ping!" sound making part of a microwave oven to go off at the end of every collision. Do we know someone there who could get the machine to go "ping!" ? This is important!

― StanM, Monday, September 1, 2008 3:51 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

^

StanM, Saturday, 21 November 2009 09:14 (fourteen years ago) link

I do wish that CERN would stop "joking" on their twitter account. That shit is disconcerting.

(still, I liked the control deck screengrab)

Cosmic Dentistry (Masonic Boom), Saturday, 21 November 2009 09:16 (fourteen years ago) link

LOL @ the flying hats (near the end) http://ow.ly/E9OG

StanM, Saturday, 21 November 2009 09:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Update? Not even a small bang?

StanM, Sunday, 22 November 2009 01:06 (fourteen years ago) link

cool pix

the images on the monitors meant nothing to me though.

http://thebovinecomedy.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/wargames.jpg

bracken free ditch (Ste), Sunday, 22 November 2009 01:38 (fourteen years ago) link

coverage later today: http://webcast.cern.ch/live.py?channel=Channel+1

caek, Monday, 23 November 2009 14:59 (fourteen years ago) link

The whole thing was a promo for the new Tron movie:

http://atlas.web.cern.ch/Atlas/public/EVTDISPLAY/atlas2009-collision-atlantis-140541-171897-new.png

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 November 2009 20:39 (fourteen years ago) link

(xpost) in ur Atari 2600 smashing ur atoms

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Monday, 23 November 2009 21:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Come on people from Cern, we want to see pictures of your black holes!

StanM, Monday, 23 November 2009 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link

cern, yesterday

http://www.skytopia.com/project/fractal/new/q50/i8-10-BIG-small.jpg

caek, Monday, 23 November 2009 23:22 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.skytopia.com/project/fractal/new/q50/Pow3hope1-small.jpg

caek, Monday, 23 November 2009 23:24 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.dedoimedo.com/images/life/earth_owned.jpg

Nate Carson, Monday, 23 November 2009 23:36 (fourteen years ago) link

caek, those are delicious

bracken free ditch (Ste), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 00:55 (fourteen years ago) link

wow

sleeve, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 01:04 (fourteen years ago) link

All these display screens are reminding me of the Star Trek movies...
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/stexpanded/images/5/59/RedAlert.gif

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 09:21 (fourteen years ago) link

That's just their geeky clock (xpost).

StanM, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 14:50 (fourteen years ago) link

It's reading a quarter to apocalypse.

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 14:51 (fourteen years ago) link

caek: what are those pictures of?

Shackleton Crater (jdchurchill), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 18:30 (fourteen years ago) link

deadhead pc users exploring mandelbrot sets with maya or something, pretty rad: http://www.skytopia.com/project/fractal/mandelbulb.html

caek, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 18:32 (fourteen years ago) link

That second one upthread reminds me of a stretched out piece of Blu-Tack.

so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link

That second one upthread reminds me of a stretched out piece of Blu-Tack.

exactly what i thought. i used to stretch blutack all the time and draw it, when i was stranger.

bracken free ditch (Ste), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 23:25 (fourteen years ago) link

omg @ that site caek links to

srsly wow

my fave thing to do on the computer is what im doing right now (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 25 November 2009 09:27 (fourteen years ago) link

In short, that whole crazy muslim terrorist assassin story doesn't have anything to do with CERN, it's just where he happened to be working.

xxpost

StanM, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 12:04 (fourteen years ago) link

So the next year they're going to up the speed on these thingies (they've reached 540 GeV last week but the ultimate target is 7 TeV, so they can collide at 14 TeV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_volt) ), but after that, months/years of analysis until there's actual news? Not saying that it's an anticlimax, but meh anyway. :-)

StanM, Sunday, 29 November 2009 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link

haha, yeah, this is going to take a while

caek, Sunday, 29 November 2009 15:37 (fourteen years ago) link

and i'm not saying it's not impressive from a sociological or engineering POV, and it's going to be a spectacular success scientifically, but it's not going to get kids into physics, and no government will ever pay for anything like it again.

caek, Sunday, 29 November 2009 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link

p.s. life, seriously:

UK physics council sees grim future

Second financial crisis in two years leaves researchers questioning the council's long-term viability.

Geoff Brumfiel

The Science and Technology Facilities Council (STFC), which funds the United Kingdom's astronomy, particle- and nuclear-physics communities, is short by roughly £40 million (US$66 million) in its annual £450-million cash budget. High-energy-physics grants have already been affected, and in a bid to contain costs the council said last week that it would probably withdraw from the multinational Gemini telescope project in 2012.

It is the second such budgetary dilemma for the STFC. The council was formed from the merger of two other councils in April 2007, at the same time as the UK government was undergoing a triennial budget review. "It was a perfect storm" of financial pressures, says Paul Crowther, an astrophysicist at the University of Sheffield. Within months, the newborn STFC announced that it was facing an £80-million budget gap.

The latest problems have made physicists angry once more. "This second crisis makes clear that the STFC is incapable of being run in its current form," argues Brian Foster, a particle physicist at the University of Oxford.

Things are likely to worsen in the coming months. Throughout the autumn, physicists have met to prioritize projects in areas supported by the council. The prioritization will be used to determine how to spend money within the current budget levels, says Terry O'Connor, the STFC's director of communications.

High-energy physicists have already seen their latest grants funded for one year rather than for the standard three to five. That makes it difficult to support postdocs and hire technical staff, says Phil Allport, a particle physicist at the University of Liverpool. And the change comes as scientists are gearing up to study data from the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) near Geneva, Switzerland. "Just as collisions are starting in the LHC, the United Kingdom may not be able to adequately exploit it," Allport says.

Astronomers are also feeling the pinch. The proposed withdrawal from the Gemini Observatory, a pair of eight-metre telescopes in Hawaii and Chile, echoes a 2007 council announcement that it later cancelled. This time, a review panel of academics made the decision, says Andrew Fabian, an astronomer at the University of Cambridge and president of the Royal Astronomical Society. "We feel that the current package we have with Gemini does not give us a big enough benefit," he says.

Nuclear physicists' dreams for the future are also being affected by the cash problems. UK researchers had hoped that Britain would become a partner in the multinational Facility for Antiproton and Ion Research, now being planned at the GSI Helmholtz Centre for Heavy Ion Research in Darmstadt, Germany. But the budgetary shortfall has left those plans in question, says Bill Gelletly, a nuclear physicist at the University of Surrey in Guildford.

The origins of the shortfall are complex. In 2007, the STFC proposed deep cuts to deal with its financial problems. The UK government responded by allowing the council to borrow money from future years and by providing some support to compensate for currency fluctuations. "The outcry got the attention of people high up," says Crowther, but "it didn't make the problem go away."

Since then, the weakened pound has made it increasingly difficult for the STFC to pay its overseas subscription fees to international facilities such as CERN, the lab that houses the LHC. In addition, repayment of the money borrowed from future years is now due. A 2008 prioritization cut grant renewing by a quarter, but that was not enough to make up the shortfall.

Many who depend on the council for funding can barely contain their anger. "We've had scientific prioritization after scientific prioritization," says George Efstathiou, director of the Kavli Institute for Cosmology at the University of Cambridge. "Why has this organization still not got its programme sorted out?"

O'Connor says the council is doing the best it can at a time when the country's economic future stands at a crossroads. The uncertainty "is not confined to particle physics, nuclear and astronomy", he says, "it's right across the research base — it's right across the economy".

The council is now looking beyond its current three-year spending plan to establish a five-year programme and a ten-year strategy, he says.

caek, Sunday, 29 November 2009 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link

from http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091125/full/462396a.html for those of you with institutional access

caek, Sunday, 29 November 2009 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link

really cool mandelbulb link, caek - am I alone in finding some of the pictures on it almost unsettling? something about the use of lighting and texture feels quite odd.

(just read that article too, grim stuff)

Bill A, Sunday, 29 November 2009 15:45 (fourteen years ago) link

:-/

The crisis won't last forever though. How can humanity justify not wanting to understand how shit works?

StanM, Sunday, 29 November 2009 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link

grim is a word.

the reason i bring that shit up on this thread is that although the situation is mostly uk science management's fault, it's made much worse by CERN, which is like 50% of the UK budget, and cannot be reduced because we have treaty obligations.

caek, Sunday, 29 November 2009 15:56 (fourteen years ago) link

xp
I mean, sure, 99.999% of humanity won't ever understand and will only get to hear about The God Particle (imagine "3.5 spin muon with negative strangeness bumps into antimuon shocka!"), but even so, someone has to find out for the rest of us.

StanM, Sunday, 29 November 2009 15:58 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm not convinced people do want to know how shit works per se. astronomy and particle physics are basically culture. voters are willing to pay us for the same reason there is state funding for the arts. our jobs are to make people go "whoa, cool". 50 years ago you could do that by showing them how things work, but at the moment the theoretical framework of most of it is so ugly and crufty that that trick doesn't work any more. this may change, but not in the next couple of decades. so in the meantime the best way to get a "whoa cool" or a moon landing moment is Hubble images and solar system exploration. they're not cheap, but they're much better value for money from that POV than the LHC imo.

caek, Sunday, 29 November 2009 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link

voters are willing to pay us for the same reason there is state funding for the arts.

government have a slightly more sophisticated (but less correct) view of why we pay particle physicists and astronomers. they have convinced themselves that it's for the same reason we pay chemical engineers and people figuring out cell death: to directly benefit the economy and our health/tangible well-being. lolz.

the one possible way that is true is that there being jobs in fundamental physics encourages people to get very good PhD-level training in physics, which turn out to be extremely useful for the economy when they leave physics, which 2/3 of them do, because there aren't enough jobs. governments are quite rightly happy with this aspect of the situation, but it's kind of morally dubious imo.

caek, Sunday, 29 November 2009 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link

sorry, i'm ranting. cern is cool.

caek, Sunday, 29 November 2009 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link

The general population doesn't need to know about gluons & bosons & stuff, but if you can tell them that understanding gravity might help someone invent a flying car or a better rocket so we can go fight the aliens, then there's your "whoa, cool" opportunity!

StanM, Sunday, 29 November 2009 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link


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