what are barack obama's flaws?

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serious question

and what, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

arrogance

elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

i was looking at these synopses of all the right wing anti-clinton books & thinking damn i actually agree with all the personal clinton armchair psychology stuff - dishonesty, lack of principle, general cowardice. at the time (i was like 10) i didnt believe that shit, just thought it was partisan & desperate - basically true i guess - but switched my understanding of clinton up after i read the shitty hitchens book, and now after the the obama stuff in the primaries most liberals agree with right-wing/national review types about this shit. so when obama becomes president are there any character flaws we'll look back on in 10-15 years and think man the republicans were actually right about that? is this genuinely different?

and what, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

too handsome

jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

Scary name.

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

faith in his friends

deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

Not that I give a shit, but a 'flaw' in terms of some people think it's a reason to be suspicious of him.

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

too black, too strong.

jim, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

^ beat me to it

sleep, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

ok oily but we arent going to look back in 10 years and be like this guy was actually only okay. if only his name was jim scott. the point of this thread isn't "why won't racist people vote for him"

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

you guys are missing the point

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha rly

sleep, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

poor bowling form

sleep, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

overconfidence in the electorate's willingness to assume civic responsibility

elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

probably has a clogged pore or two

dan m, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

In that case, all this 'bipartisanship' talk makes me worry he'll let the plutocrats walk all over him in the name of unity. It's too early to tell, of course. The problem is, I'm guilty of being a little star struck by the dude and his speeches and advisors and stuff, so I'm probably missing important defects. So maybe that's a flaw, too.

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

too cool

jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah, basically

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

Born in the wrong country at the wrong time.

Both Hillary and McCain would be "good" Presidents, especially in comparison to the current Commander-In-Chief, but neither of them are in the same league as Obama.

Oh yeah, he's also an elitist, as the children of single moms tend to be.

j-rock, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

Wife seems like a dick.

paulhw, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

Better writer than every single last one of his critics and most of his supporters.

Dave Matthews endorsement.

Trick move in pickup b-ball is to fake to the right, plow in hard to the left. No symbolism there at all.

suzy, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

i actually wish people would take this thread seriously; i didnt realize it wasnt about electability & i think the answer is probably the same either way (we dont know yet), but even tho im behind the guy 100% & have been for months my gut says myself & probably a lot of people here are gonna be dissatisfied with him 4-8 years down the road. a discussion of concrete reasons why this might be so seems worthwhile to me

deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

foreign policy naivete. biggest thing that worries me about him by far. if he gets elected, pulls us out of iraq, closes gitmo, and restores civil liberties to their pre-9/11 status, and then ta-da something actually blows up, how many times is he going to say "uh um" during the press conference in which he capitulates to the chickenhawks in both parties screaming for his head

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

thank u deeznuts i am serious about like actual clintonesque character defects not more empty lolz how everybody except us is superficial & racist

and what, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

what elmo and tom said, basically--the dude comes across as too trusting in america's ability to be smart about shit

max, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

not good at speaking for 10 second clips on the 6 o clock news

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

hard to say but i think he believes his own hype at this point

messiah complex (likely to evolve into martyr complex)

elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah what max/tombot/elmo said fourthed.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

might not be able to tame congress and end up like Clinton in 1994

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

Also a bit of what deez said - I'm worried he's setting himself up to disappoint everyone.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

has convinved people like me to be largely uninterested in this question

gabbneb, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

He has a bit of this tendency to come off like "I fully understand this problem because I've read many essays about it." Which makes me like him and wince at the same time.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

if he gets elected, pulls us out of iraq, closes gitmo, and restores civil liberties to their pre-9/11 status, and then ta-da something actually blows up, how many times is he going to say "uh um" during the press conference in which he capitulates to the chickenhawks in both parties screaming for his head

It's hard to see how staying in Iraq is helping to prevent domestic terrorism. Even McCain wants to close Gitmo. I doubt civil liberties will go all the way back to pre-9/11 status, and not sure if Obama is even suggesting that they should

o. nate, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

has convinved people like me to be largely uninterested in this question

-- gabbneb, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:55 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

shock of shocks

deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

what elmo and tom said, basically--the dude comes across as too trusting in america's ability to be smart about shit

-- max, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:48 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i really want to believe this is true, but it sounds the kind of bs that be lipped by his supporters - his flaw is that he's TOO right about everything? ill take that.

deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

foreign policy naivete. biggest thing that worries me about him by far. if he gets elected, pulls us out of iraq, closes gitmo, and restores civil liberties to their pre-9/11 status, and then ta-da something actually blows up, how many times is he going to say "uh um" during the press conference in which he capitulates to the chickenhawks in both parties screaming for his head

-- El Tomboto, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:45 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

this is more lol gwb put u in a jackpot sry!

jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

i am really curious as to what hes gonna do w/the gitmo dudes who we have evidence against thats inadmissible due to torture tho

jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

i wonder about his ability/willingness to get his hands dirty and wrestle things to the ground. saying you're willing to talk to iran/hamas/whoever is all well and good, but if you go into those situations you have to go in saying, "here's the deal: you can get this and this, you can't get this and this, and we're going to have to fight about this and this -- but if the fight goes on too long, you get nothing." the bushies have been terrible at that stuff, so it's not like the bar is set particularly high, but it would be nice to have someone who can actually get some things done. (wouldn't have to be him personally, but he'd need some hardball players around who knew how to do that.) (same applies in dealing with congress, obviously.)

tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

deex -- i didn't say he's overly correct, but i think he may be presumptuous that America will be eager or grateful about implementing the changes he wants

elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

also I am dead serious that his uh um uh tic that he has when you can tell he's thinking on his feet is really not reassuring at all

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

he actually comes across as a guy who would be an absolute expert at that kind of stuff to me tipsy

deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

yah he def should cut that out xp

jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

nodding slowly and looking thoughtful is the way to go

jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

his uh um uh tic that he has when you can tell he's thinking on his feet

this doesn't bother me so much -- it's campaign season and he has to be excruciatingly calculating about his diction. when he speaks off the cuff he gets in trouble, but really only because he running for office

elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

or alternatively quit being so optimistic about your fellow humans that you keep getting surprised by shit, like Wright dropping an atom bomb on you on national television

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

xp Still, I think Hillary is a better extemporaneous speaker.

jaymc, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

his almost musical hand-gesture of 'conducting' a discussion / 'putting a fine point' on an argument

it's like the new bubba remote

elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

I don't think Tom's point is that Obama is going to cause terrorism to happen, just that when it does he's going to look bad.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

you guys all seem to think obama waaaaaaaaay less pragmatic than i do, i guess

deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

I actually HOPE he's more cynical and pragmatic than I'm giving him credit for.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

stiff competition

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 September 2014 19:23 (4 months ago) Permalink

George W. Bush is the man who saw into Vladimir Putin's soul and liked what he saw.

Well, that's what he said... then. You must've missed these misgivings in a Maureen Dowd column.

The Russian leader told him the breakup of the Soviet Union was the worst thing that had ever happened. Tell it to Ukraine, W. dryly noted. He also said of Putin: "You always have to watch out when someone steeples their fingers."

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 September 2014 19:38 (4 months ago) Permalink

does dowd just make things up or did bush have a crackling wit he carefully concealed from the american people during his time in office?

Treeship, Thursday, 25 September 2014 20:13 (4 months ago) Permalink

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Thursday, 25 September 2014 20:18 (4 months ago) Permalink

so he should know!

Dubya is not an idiot. He's a shit, but not an idiot.

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 September 2014 20:21 (4 months ago) Permalink

come on he's also kind of an idiot

anonanon, Thursday, 25 September 2014 20:37 (4 months ago) Permalink

who is the worst american president of your lifetime in foreign policy terms?

I started another thread to discuss this.

Aimless, Thursday, 25 September 2014 20:59 (4 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

ACLU:

"By my count, the Obama administration has secured 526 months of prison time for national security leakers, versus only 24 months total jail time for everyone else since the American Revolution.... The bulk of that time is the 35 years in Fort Leavenworth handed down to Chelsea Manning."

https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/leak-prosecutions-obama-takes-it-11-or-should-we-say-526

this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 03:46 (3 months ago) Permalink

you think he realises on any level that the cousin pookie thing is condescending and demeaning?

tsrobodo, Monday, 20 October 2014 22:17 (3 months ago) Permalink

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/10/our-passe-president/381664/

not even cool now

j., Tuesday, 21 October 2014 00:40 (3 months ago) Permalink

that's who the Dems are interested in -- Cousin Pookie

this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 00:54 (3 months ago) Permalink

Cousin Pookie is back! And yes, he is still sitting on the couch.
Washington Post‎ - 2 days ago

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 22 October 2014 19:46 (3 months ago) Permalink

I had no idea this was a type was invoked by name through New Jack City's Chris Rock crackhead

this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 October 2014 19:50 (3 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

gawd cmon already if i come to your thing i come

j., Wednesday, 21 January 2015 01:44 (1 week ago) Permalink

yet another reason to hate Woodrow Wilson

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 02:34 (1 week ago) Permalink

command+f "terror" 9 matches

Mordy, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 02:39 (1 week ago) Permalink

"middle-class economics" smh

example (crüt), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 02:41 (1 week ago) Permalink

This is so dull. Where are the flying cars and micro chips imbedded in our brains?

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 02:42 (1 week ago) Permalink

who needs prose when Boehner's wearing a thistle-colored tie?

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 02:44 (1 week ago) Permalink

Boehner's got a great glower. I love how he looks disgusted over every little bit of good news or silver lining. He just won't be happy until the economy is back in the shitter.

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 02:49 (1 week ago) Permalink

had this thread open when Barack Obama said "my flaws, of which there are many"

example (crüt), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 03:03 (1 week ago) Permalink

who needs prose when Boehner's wearing a thistle-colored tie?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 03:11 (1 week ago) Permalink

Wtf is this bread bag speech?

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 03:28 (1 week ago) Permalink

Oh I get it, nowadays we can't afford a bread bag

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 03:29 (1 week ago) Permalink

I'll have to listen to this tomorrow, am I missing anything

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 03:29 (1 week ago) Permalink

POTUS proposes, Boehner dozes.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 03:32 (1 week ago) Permalink

did anybody yell "you lie!" yet

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 03:34 (1 week ago) Permalink

The POTUS is laughing, goodbye, goodbye

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 03:35 (1 week ago) Permalink

I've listened/watched all or nearly all his SOTU speeches and his delivery in each was identical. When you realize that no modern president will risk venturing into the higher flights of rhetoric for a SOTU, you learn to swallow your disappointment and listen for any scrap of matter that is a) specific, b) interesting in a non-horrific way, and c) achievable. There's at most one or two of these extremely dim highlights you can glean, at best. I can recall none from tonight's speech.

Aimless, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 04:15 (1 week ago) Permalink

He just won't be happy until the economy is back in the shitter.

back huh

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 11:53 (1 week ago) Permalink

did anybody yell "you lie!" yet

Actually, when he asked early on, rhetorically, if it was fair that the wealthy kept getting richer at the expense of everyone else, or something along those lines, some voice did yell out "no!"

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 14:18 (1 week ago) Permalink

As boring as you'd expect. I thought "I know, because I won" was funny, though--played that for my class.

clemenza, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 14:47 (1 week ago) Permalink

Tea Party response. Nothing exciting, but I really hope that he bellowed TEAM every time the word appeared.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 16:50 (1 week ago) Permalink

Warmed over lines, unworthy of the NYT's slobbering profile of the speechwriter, but at last he mentioned POVERTY and stopped mentioning MIDDLE CLASS MIDDLE CLASS so much. Also: he didn't look as shrunken as his last few teevee appearances.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 17:06 (1 week ago) Permalink

Poverty x1 (in an international context), Middle-class x7 (Middle east x2) - according to a quick search through the transcript.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 18:11 (1 week ago) Permalink

NYT's slobbering profile of the speechwriter

In terms of craftsmanship, it was about as good an effort as one can achieve when one is confined to expressing every idea to a 6th grader's vocabulary and understanding. US politics descended to such ultra simplistic Dick-and-Jane-see-Spot-run stylings in our political speeches a long time ago.

Aimless, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 18:23 (1 week ago) Permalink

nothing predestined about that.

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 18:26 (1 week ago) Permalink

It is predestined, if everyone involved thinks their primary audience is made up of simple-minded, grossly ignorant people who must be cajoled and flattered, but never made to think.

Aimless, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 18:32 (1 week ago) Permalink

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/B72Vsn3IAAEjTKN.mp4

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:31 (1 week ago) Permalink

the comments in the youtube video where i watched this, whew

Man, I hate people

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 23:54 (1 week ago) Permalink

youtube comments are the worst type of comments

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 23:54 (1 week ago) Permalink

Alex p otm

walid foster dulles (man alive), Thursday, 22 January 2015 01:46 (1 week ago) Permalink

just in case you thought Obama wasn't as close to the Saudi royal family as our last commander-in-chief

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/01/27/king-salmans-shady-history-saudi-arabia-jihadi-ties/?utm_content=buffer06ac1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

President Barack Obama arrived in Riyadh today to offer his condolences on the death of the beloved Saudi King Abdullah and to meet his successor, Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud. But just who is King Salman?

Mordy, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 18:38 (2 days ago) Permalink

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 18:44 (2 days ago) Permalink

a few weeks before FDR went to the Great Oasis too.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 18:44 (2 days ago) Permalink

you'd think w/ oil prices + obama's full court press to reestablish diplomatic relationships w/ iran we wouldn't be so beholden to the saudis but i guess we still are!

Mordy, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 18:45 (2 days ago) Permalink

at least we got some quality Michele Obama side-eye out of it

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 18:53 (2 days ago) Permalink

great pic of O with Condi and Jim Baker greeting His Majesty. Thank God for our "two" parties.

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 18:54 (2 days ago) Permalink


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