what are barack obama's flaws?

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serious question

and what, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

arrogance

elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

i was looking at these synopses of all the right wing anti-clinton books & thinking damn i actually agree with all the personal clinton armchair psychology stuff - dishonesty, lack of principle, general cowardice. at the time (i was like 10) i didnt believe that shit, just thought it was partisan & desperate - basically true i guess - but switched my understanding of clinton up after i read the shitty hitchens book, and now after the the obama stuff in the primaries most liberals agree with right-wing/national review types about this shit. so when obama becomes president are there any character flaws we'll look back on in 10-15 years and think man the republicans were actually right about that? is this genuinely different?

and what, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

too handsome

jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

Scary name.

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

faith in his friends

deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

Not that I give a shit, but a 'flaw' in terms of some people think it's a reason to be suspicious of him.

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

too black, too strong.

jim, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

^ beat me to it

sleep, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

ok oily but we arent going to look back in 10 years and be like this guy was actually only okay. if only his name was jim scott. the point of this thread isn't "why won't racist people vote for him"

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

you guys are missing the point

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha rly

sleep, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

poor bowling form

sleep, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

overconfidence in the electorate's willingness to assume civic responsibility

elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

probably has a clogged pore or two

dan m, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

In that case, all this 'bipartisanship' talk makes me worry he'll let the plutocrats walk all over him in the name of unity. It's too early to tell, of course. The problem is, I'm guilty of being a little star struck by the dude and his speeches and advisors and stuff, so I'm probably missing important defects. So maybe that's a flaw, too.

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

too cool

jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah, basically

Oilyrags, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

Born in the wrong country at the wrong time.

Both Hillary and McCain would be "good" Presidents, especially in comparison to the current Commander-In-Chief, but neither of them are in the same league as Obama.

Oh yeah, he's also an elitist, as the children of single moms tend to be.

j-rock, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

Wife seems like a dick.

paulhw, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

Better writer than every single last one of his critics and most of his supporters.

Dave Matthews endorsement.

Trick move in pickup b-ball is to fake to the right, plow in hard to the left. No symbolism there at all.

suzy, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

i actually wish people would take this thread seriously; i didnt realize it wasnt about electability & i think the answer is probably the same either way (we dont know yet), but even tho im behind the guy 100% & have been for months my gut says myself & probably a lot of people here are gonna be dissatisfied with him 4-8 years down the road. a discussion of concrete reasons why this might be so seems worthwhile to me

deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

foreign policy naivete. biggest thing that worries me about him by far. if he gets elected, pulls us out of iraq, closes gitmo, and restores civil liberties to their pre-9/11 status, and then ta-da something actually blows up, how many times is he going to say "uh um" during the press conference in which he capitulates to the chickenhawks in both parties screaming for his head

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

thank u deeznuts i am serious about like actual clintonesque character defects not more empty lolz how everybody except us is superficial & racist

and what, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

what elmo and tom said, basically--the dude comes across as too trusting in america's ability to be smart about shit

max, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

not good at speaking for 10 second clips on the 6 o clock news

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

hard to say but i think he believes his own hype at this point

messiah complex (likely to evolve into martyr complex)

elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah what max/tombot/elmo said fourthed.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

might not be able to tame congress and end up like Clinton in 1994

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

Also a bit of what deez said - I'm worried he's setting himself up to disappoint everyone.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

has convinved people like me to be largely uninterested in this question

gabbneb, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

He has a bit of this tendency to come off like "I fully understand this problem because I've read many essays about it." Which makes me like him and wince at the same time.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

if he gets elected, pulls us out of iraq, closes gitmo, and restores civil liberties to their pre-9/11 status, and then ta-da something actually blows up, how many times is he going to say "uh um" during the press conference in which he capitulates to the chickenhawks in both parties screaming for his head

It's hard to see how staying in Iraq is helping to prevent domestic terrorism. Even McCain wants to close Gitmo. I doubt civil liberties will go all the way back to pre-9/11 status, and not sure if Obama is even suggesting that they should

o. nate, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 20:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

has convinved people like me to be largely uninterested in this question

-- gabbneb, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:55 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

shock of shocks

deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

what elmo and tom said, basically--the dude comes across as too trusting in america's ability to be smart about shit

-- max, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:48 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i really want to believe this is true, but it sounds the kind of bs that be lipped by his supporters - his flaw is that he's TOO right about everything? ill take that.

deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

foreign policy naivete. biggest thing that worries me about him by far. if he gets elected, pulls us out of iraq, closes gitmo, and restores civil liberties to their pre-9/11 status, and then ta-da something actually blows up, how many times is he going to say "uh um" during the press conference in which he capitulates to the chickenhawks in both parties screaming for his head

-- El Tomboto, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:45 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

this is more lol gwb put u in a jackpot sry!

jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

i am really curious as to what hes gonna do w/the gitmo dudes who we have evidence against thats inadmissible due to torture tho

jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

i wonder about his ability/willingness to get his hands dirty and wrestle things to the ground. saying you're willing to talk to iran/hamas/whoever is all well and good, but if you go into those situations you have to go in saying, "here's the deal: you can get this and this, you can't get this and this, and we're going to have to fight about this and this -- but if the fight goes on too long, you get nothing." the bushies have been terrible at that stuff, so it's not like the bar is set particularly high, but it would be nice to have someone who can actually get some things done. (wouldn't have to be him personally, but he'd need some hardball players around who knew how to do that.) (same applies in dealing with congress, obviously.)

tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

deex -- i didn't say he's overly correct, but i think he may be presumptuous that America will be eager or grateful about implementing the changes he wants

elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

also I am dead serious that his uh um uh tic that he has when you can tell he's thinking on his feet is really not reassuring at all

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

he actually comes across as a guy who would be an absolute expert at that kind of stuff to me tipsy

deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

yah he def should cut that out xp

jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

nodding slowly and looking thoughtful is the way to go

jhøshea, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

his uh um uh tic that he has when you can tell he's thinking on his feet

this doesn't bother me so much -- it's campaign season and he has to be excruciatingly calculating about his diction. when he speaks off the cuff he gets in trouble, but really only because he running for office

elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

or alternatively quit being so optimistic about your fellow humans that you keep getting surprised by shit, like Wright dropping an atom bomb on you on national television

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

xp Still, I think Hillary is a better extemporaneous speaker.

jaymc, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

his almost musical hand-gesture of 'conducting' a discussion / 'putting a fine point' on an argument

it's like the new bubba remote

elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

I don't think Tom's point is that Obama is going to cause terrorism to happen, just that when it does he's going to look bad.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

you guys all seem to think obama waaaaaaaaay less pragmatic than i do, i guess

deeznuts, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

I actually HOPE he's more cynical and pragmatic than I'm giving him credit for.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

a question for historians

max, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 22:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...
3 months pass...

As Election Day approaches, President Obama is sharing a few important things about himself. He has mentioned more than once in recent weeks that he cooks “a really mean chili.” He has impressive musical pitch, he told an Iowa audience. He is “a surprisingly good pool player,” he informed an interviewer — not to mention (though he does) a doodler of unusual skill.

All in all, he joked at a recent New York fund-raiser with several famous basketball players in attendance, “it is very rare that I come to an event where I’m like the fifth or sixth most interesting person.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/03/us/politics/obama-plays-to-win-in-politics-and-everything-else.html?_r=1&ref=politics

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 September 2012 11:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha damn you beat me

j., Monday, 3 September 2012 14:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

looking forward to lewis article on obama

backed by regular small people (Hunt3r), Friday, 7 September 2012 16:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

that ny times article is the dumbest shit i have seen in a long time--of course someone who wants to be the president is obsessed with winning--Bush was the same way, Clinton, too. stupid.

Mr. Que, Friday, 7 September 2012 16:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/why-i-refuse-to-vote-for-barack-obama/262861/

conor friedersdorf sez no on greenwaldian/morbsian grounds

j., Wednesday, 26 September 2012 12:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

from Doug Henwood of the Left Business Observer, right after the first debate.

I think there’s a lot of the narcissist about Obama. There’s something chilly and empty about him. Unlike Bill Clinton, he doesn’t revel in human company. It makes him uncomfortable. He wants the rich and powerful to love him, but doesn’t care about the masses (unless they’re a remote but adoring crowd). Many people seem to bore him. It shows.

And the charms of the narcissist wear badly over time. All the marvelous things his fans projected on him in 2008 have faded. He’s no longer the man of their fantasies. And that shows too.

Which is not unrelated to a more political problem. Unlike Franklin Roosevelt, who famously said that he welcomed the hatred of the rich, Obama wants to flatter them.... FDR came out of the aristocracy, and had the confidence to step on the fancy toes of the rich now and then. Obama came out of nowhere, was groomed for success by elite institutions throughout his impressive rise, and no doubt wants some of those nice shoes for himself.

More broadly, the political problem of the Democrats is that they’re a party of capital that has to pretend for electoral reasons sometimes that it’s not....

What do liberals stand for these days? Damned if I know. It’s not a philosophy you can express in aphorisms. (Yeah, politics are complex, and slogans are simple, but if you’ve got a passionately held set of beliefs you can manage that contradiction.) Too many qualifications and contradictions. They can’t just say less war and more equality, because they like some wars and want to bore you with just war theory to explain the morality of drone attacks, and worry about optimal tax rates and incentives. Join an empty philosophy to an empty personality and you get a very flat and meandering performance in debate.

Romney believes in money. Obama believes in nothing.

http://lbo-news.com/2012/10/04/why-obama-lost-the-debate/

cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 October 2012 20:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

from today's begging-for-cash email: "If you're proud to be on the President's team, give him a virtual high five -- donate $4 today."

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 19 October 2012 20:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Even Mr. Obama’s speech has changed a bit, close observers say. Though he still disdains Washington, he often sounds less like a disapproving outsider and more like a participant. One former aide was startled to hear Mr. Obama use “impact” as a verb, a particular tendency in the capital.

I'm glad we had a president aware of this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/20/us/politics/after-4-years-friends-see-shifts-in-obamas.html?ref=politics&_r=0

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 20 January 2013 12:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

"impact" (v) is disgusting savagery

admittedly takes a backseat to police statism & war crimes

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 20 January 2013 16:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh that's vile

fiscal cliff paul (k3vin k.), Sunday, 20 January 2013 22:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Signs that read “Deer Crossing” and the like are going to continue to pop up throughout our country including Avon Lake, but who are these signs for? Deer cannot read, do not obey the law and probably will cross where they wish. Although adorable companions, it is hard to remember the last time that the news reported an animal talking, thinking or providing significant input for the benefit of society. Yet, these signs cost taxpayers like so much of government.

Dogs, cats, whales, seals and deer are animals that might enhance a human’s life, but all cannot read, write or think. They are animals. Yes, people dress them, buy them extravagant blinge and do other strange things with them; however, animals are not human. They are on this earth like trees to make humans’ lives better. As humans we must be kind to them, eat them when hungry, feed them when they are, but remember they are here to enhance our lives. Besides, it appears that this gesture of kindness to animals does not extend human to human. This President’s Obamacare appears to welcome abortion of innocent babies. It is painful to think that there are those who cry for seals while Obamacare never blinks an eye at abortion.

Somewhere the advancement of society has been limited by animals and the unscientific malarkey of loons. America has had to halt drilling, construction, experiments for medicine and cosmetics and much that might benefit humans.

Yes, signs are important-- to humans; “Stop” signs, and others are more than just costly decorations scattered along the roadways. However, depending on the school district, most humans can read them, but animals not so much.

k3vin k., Saturday, 16 February 2013 19:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

Was that in the SOTU address? Cuz I don't remember it there.

Aimless, Saturday, 16 February 2013 19:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

"blinge"?

SOYLENT GREEN IS SHEEPLE (stevie), Saturday, 16 February 2013 20:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

Check her blog: http://www.theprickleypear.com/

Rich ain't bad.
Unless your parents literally gave you the farm and several million dollars, you are not the one percent that President Obama is working to devalue and destroy. Most of us have settled for working hard to earn our paychecks and then the government taxes and steals most of our money.
It used to be that liberals would pit conservatives against the population by using the race card. Discrimination as it relates to sex, age and race might be an issue, but last I heard this President is part Black and part White and, probably, an American citizen, who received 51 percent of the American vote. So it appears race is a non-issue.

With those three discrimination labels less important, now there’s a worse label that Jesse and Al most likely will travel first class to stomp down--”rich.” Unbelievable. Getting people fired up about “rich” rather than jobs, taxes, health care, billions spent by this Administration on failed plans, failed projects seems to be the new plan. Who could ever have imagined an American President devaluing hard work and the American Dream?

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 16 February 2013 20:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest "Deer Crossing" and other signs located on a road are for the operators of road-bound vehicles. I'm not really sure why that is such a difficult concept to grasp.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 17 February 2013 16:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Words are fun and worth clearly stating, in English if in America, and with an opinion that is yours because it’s good to have an opinion.

:C (crüt), Sunday, 17 February 2013 22:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

and, probably, an American citizen

i guess we've just gotten so numb by Birther craziness -- and Teabag craziness has exceeded even Birther craziness -- that we just let this one slide w/t comment.

i have a history of enabling your mother. (Eisbaer), Monday, 18 February 2013 03:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Fuck this guy:

http://rt.com/usa/monsanto-bill-blunt-agriculture-006/

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 29 March 2013 05:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

fuck a house and a senate more like, tho he's still a dick for signing it.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 29 March 2013 05:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

One year could be all it takes to cause catastrophic damage to the environment by allowing laboratory-produced organisms to be planted into the earth without oversight

lol orly.

not really down with the anti-GMO crowd tbh

k3vin k., Friday, 29 March 2013 13:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

Why? In the UK, we don't do GM food. The public DO NOT WANT.

karl lagerlout (suzy), Friday, 29 March 2013 14:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

US ILX = agribusiness cheerleaders. Obama SCOTUS 2017!

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 March 2013 14:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

Precautionary principle seems warranted. And don't hate the grateful dead just because their fans suck!

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Friday, 29 March 2013 14:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

Xposts

your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Friday, 29 March 2013 14:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

J-Pod says some things.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 March 2013 17:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://badskeptic.com/?p=123

Mordy, Saturday, 30 March 2013 15:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's not filibustering Republican senators it's the guy in the White House, says inside the beltway rightward leaning columnist:

Obama’s failure to strike while the iron was hot offers a lesson in presidential leadership that goes beyond gun control. On almost every topic, from budget negotiations to national security, Washington seems only to act these days in response to crisis, if it acts at all. Obama erred in trying to use Newtown to build support for his positions on taxes, energy and immigration. And he compounded the error by sending Joe Biden off to conduct a study — an unnecessary delay when solutions were obvious. Once the president took his foot off the accelerator, no other action — not even Michael Bloomberg’s ad campaign — could maintain the momentum.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-obama-on-guns--too-little-too-late/2013/03/28/93a2287a-97f1-11e2-814b-063623d80a60_story.html

curmudgeon, Saturday, 30 March 2013 16:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

failure to strike while the iron was hot
the president took his foot off the accelerator

Does the WaPo not hire editors?

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 March 2013 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

I would vote for dana milbank instantly and repeatedly for any position where he would never be heard from again.

Aimless, Saturday, 30 March 2013 18:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

I really don't think they ever have editors look at the work of their columnists.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 30 March 2013 18:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Not only is Barack Obama wrong politically, he's not a good guy, "cool," or even moderately likable.

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2013/04/30/30-reasons-to-dislike-barack-obama-n1582397/page/full

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 14:56 (11 months ago) Permalink

howbout we just keep the posts focused on what a right-wing authoritarian fuck he is, who would be loved by the above if they weren't racist?

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 14:59 (11 months ago) Permalink

x-post -That's like 3rd-rate National Review material

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 15:02 (11 months ago) Permalink

can we vote on these?

9) He ate a dog once which is just gross.

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 15:04 (11 months ago) Permalink

no prob dr. m! just wanted to give the responses of townhall commenter "commiedregs" a hearing

http://townhall.com/social/commiedregs-606149/comments/

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 15:05 (11 months ago) Permalink

my favorite

29) After it came out that the Korean rapper Psy had wished death not just on American soldiers, but their wives and children, Obama made a point of shaking his hand publicly even though the fact he was in the same room with him had been controversial.

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 15:06 (11 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Welp

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 6 June 2013 20:52 (10 months ago) Permalink

i think pretending the nsa expansion doesn't occur and occur in pretty much this exact manner under the administration of any other candidate dem or republican to have won a primary in the last thirteen years (if not thirty) but i do think someone could point at obama's zealous pragmatism and cautiousness as why it hasn't been challenged or checked in any token way by this admin. similar root behind expanded use of drones (w/ added bonus of cutting defense budget), manages to avoid both the major risks of war and the major risks of peace, it was similar thinking that was behind eisenhower's embrace of the cia, having yr cake and eating it too.

balls, Thursday, 6 June 2013 22:33 (10 months ago) Permalink

I remember the "3 o'clock phone call" political ads HRC aired during the 2008 primaries. Obv, Barack has learned not to leave himself open on that flank.

Aimless, Thursday, 6 June 2013 23:28 (10 months ago) Permalink

"Don't worry, Michelle, I'll listen to the recording in the morning..."

polyphonic, Thursday, 6 June 2013 23:29 (10 months ago) Permalink

‏@DennisThePerrin
Obama justifying his authoritarian policies -- Nixon without the flop sweat.

ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 8 June 2013 03:31 (10 months ago) Permalink

george will got there already in may

da croupier, Saturday, 8 June 2013 03:48 (10 months ago) Permalink

GW is anti-infinite-surveillance huh

ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 8 June 2013 03:57 (10 months ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

ab-so-lutely nothin'

(cept Dems winning elections)

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 February 2014 18:26 (1 month ago) Permalink

I suspect that the corporatists are so deeply entrenched in US government at this point that no power short of a cataclysm could dislodge them. No one rises to the top who would ever dream of rocking the boat.

Aimless, Monday, 24 February 2014 18:56 (1 month ago) Permalink

we'll need those boats in less than 50 years

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 February 2014 18:56 (1 month ago) Permalink


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