it's almost Good Friday
― the pinefox, Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
Never mind the new Steve Bruce, England need the old Steve Bruce.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
In 1988?
― the pinefox, Thursday, 9 February 2012 17:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
don't really care about international success all that much
i cd care less really and yet
there's something so maddening about the endless misadministration and underachieving celebs and baying jingoism that part of me wd just like to see people of good will create a national football ethos to be proud of, just once. i do, i really do.
Fixed.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
not really, i wasn't talking about success there and i guess my chagrin is more related to that feeling you get when you've got a knotted string and you feel compelled to untie it - abstract mental tidiness of some sort.
on a strictly pleasurable level the hapless travails of the national side wd take a lot of beating.
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
or perhaps i'm thinking that a national side i'd want to support wd have to change in many ways, and "success" is the least of those ways
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
Obviously I used to hate England - but as things are, for a sheer entertainment roller-coaster ride they cannot be beaten. Well maybe by France, there's a national side with everything. Argentina too, that's your triumvirate.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
Obviously I used to hate England - but as things are, for a sheer entertainment roller-coaster ride they cannot be beaten
can i get this on a tshirt pls
― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
* off-pitch only
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Actually, even that's unfair - up there among last night's oh so many lols was Rob Green's howler on a loop on the BBC rolling news.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
love watching England
― Number None, Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
sometimes gruelling
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
motherfucker is that a famine reference
― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
hear that NN he made a famine reference this is incredible
― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
chips on your shoulder?
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
goddamit and the mods all busy too
love watching english people who love football convince themselves they don't care about england or hate england, when i have the sinking suspicion their eyes would well with big, st george cross shaped tears if arry won the world cup.
― mizzell, Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
They are one of the most boring teams, football wise, in world football
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
ah yeah
i mean, i sometimes read the real-time updates from the thread during the germany game in the WC
suuuure you guys don't care
suuuuure
― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hardly ever play any football worth watching. They're like a good version of Norway.
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
love watching english people who love football convince themselves they don't care about england or hate england
if you say so
but seriously, i love football more than is healthy and my relationship with the england team is only ever gonna be as complicated as my relationship to the english nation. well, maybe fractionally less complicated.
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
the english football team changes personnel every 4-7 years tbf
― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
i mean clearly i spend time thinking about "the england football team" but i'm pretty fucking certain i'm not just hanging on for an excuse to paint a red cross on my face and punch the nearest german
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
and, once again, i love my club...the national team is this weird tragi-comic distraction mainly worshiped by southerners afaict
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
lol at NV in role of prime apologist
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah but they don't change much
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 February 2012 18:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
when, if ever, did you stop caring about the English football team?
― Number None, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
I've never stopped caring, I love watching them lose tbh
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
:D
i think about this shit quite a lot when tournaments roll round - in some sense, from childhood, england is "my" team, but def not my team in the way Wolves is. and the social history and politics of England is fascinating i think. but i am certain there isn't some diehard nationalist lurking away in the middle of me underneath onion-skins of liberal guilt or whatever
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
England are fun, apart from to watch obv, and I almost always enjoy their exit from a tournament. Although against that I loved loved loved the last Euros and coincidentally England weren't even there. The only enjoyable aspect of England one day winning the World Cup would purely to be to see what the country would be like the next day after everyone (well the 35% of people who vaguely give a shit about football) loses their collective minds.
― pandemic, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Bit like me and the Scotland rugby team, fuck 'em for the most part (unless they're playing England) (xp)
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
can't wait til Ireland meet England in the Euros. Then we'll see the true face of ILF
― Number None, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
posts, flags
― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
France 2-1 England, June 13, 2004
― le ralliement du doute et de l'erreur (Michael White), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
harsh, england were p good that match
― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, i was feeling the fear that day
― Number None, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
England - Ireland is always a footballing treat tbf
― dayove cool (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
why can't i find a pic of that little fecker crying at the Landsdowne game?
― Number None, Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
They spent a good deal of that game defending their lead, unsuccessfully as it turned out. I watched it w/an Irish friend (who was a good deal more pro-England than I was, oddly) and I told him I didn't mind who won, but by the end I was laughing at Englandd and happy for France.
Take no offence Angliski, I laughed at France when Senegal beat them in 2002.
― le ralliement du doute et de l'erreur (Michael White), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
Who the fuck is richard williams and why is his puke festering on the pages of my national newspaper― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, February 9, 2012 9:57 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, February 9, 2012 9:57 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
glad someone else noticed. i did read it right didn't i?
'if foreign manager had learned more of our language and customs this wouldn't have happened (and england would be a better football team)'
― For bodies we are ready to build pyramids (whatever), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
it was a disgusting and stupid piece, as concentrated in its idiocy as anything i've seen/read outside of fry and warnock on SSN
― Dr Frogbius (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 February 2012 19:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
― James Mitchell, Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
Even by the bonkers standards of NMA TV that was quite something.
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
Terry Venables for England!! Come on give El Tel th job!
― jel --, Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Or maybe Waddle and Hoddle.
― jel --, Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
The NMA John Terry is perfect:
― James Mitchell, Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
Chuffing marvellous
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
john terry visits the US Marines
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 9 February 2012 20:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Because, apparently, the English are incapable of being smart enough to understand tactics and need to play under Hal V, w/his leadership skills. Apparently you are now a colony of the kind of Disney ethos that America adores, only at least, we do it way better than you.
― le ralliement du doute et de l'erreur (Michael White), Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
Fabio Capello should have been removed as England manager following the 2010 World Cup, according to Football Association councillor Peter Coates.Capello, whose side were defeated in the second round in South Africa, resigned on Wednesday.Coates told BBC Sport: "We had a terrible World Cup, he was responsible for that and he should have gone then."The Stoke City chairman also criticised Capello for "never having bothered" to fully learn English.Use accessible player and disable flyout menusFormer Real Madrid and AC Milan manager Capello took charge of England in 2008, but after a successful World Cup qualifying campaign, his side were beaten 4-1 by Germany in the last 16 of the tournament.The Italian also led England to qualification for the European Championship in Poland and Ukraine before resigning, but Coates feels that Capello's tenure was a failure."I don't see what we've gained under his term as manager," said Coates, who also sits on the FA's international committee."When they talk about qualifying for these competitions, I just can't go along with that. If we can't qualify for major tournaments, we are failing abysmally because we're seeded to get through. It should be a matter of course."I wouldn't give any manager great praise for achieving something that should be routine."You have to get into the last four [of major tournaments], if you've done that, you've done a good job."Capello's resignation followed the FA's decision to strip John Terry of the England captaincy after he was charged with racially abusing Anton Ferdinand, claims the Chelsea defender denies. Coates agreed with the FA's actions and feels Capello could have used the situation to engineer his exit."It was very difficult decision for the FA, and I think they got it right," he said."They should have had Capello as part of the discussion, that's what would normally happen at a football club."But the cynic in me says he might have manipulated this. He might have decided that was his opportunity to get out and he's taken it."England Under-21s manager Stuart Pearce will take charge of the senior side for the friendly against the Netherlands, with the FA now beginning the search for Capello's permanent successor.Coates says the FA needs to have learnt from Capello's reign, and joins the list of those calling for Tottenham boss Harry Redknapp to be appointed England manager."I hope lessons have been learnt because I would never have a manager who couldn't speak English. Capello never bothered to get himself proficient in the language, even though he said he would."I would never have a manager who had not had exposure to the English game. It has been proved that it doesn't work."I think the stand-out candidate is Harry Redknapp, every man and his dog knows that. He would be a good choice in my view and if a deal can be done I'm sure he'll get the job."Obviously it's complicated because he's got a big job at Spurs, but I'm sure he'd want the England job and it would be perfect for him."They sometimes ask you what you [the international commitee] think, but they know my views. It's their decision, and I hope they get it right."
Capello, whose side were defeated in the second round in South Africa, resigned on Wednesday.
Coates told BBC Sport: "We had a terrible World Cup, he was responsible for that and he should have gone then."
The Stoke City chairman also criticised Capello for "never having bothered" to fully learn English.Use accessible player and disable flyout menus
Former Real Madrid and AC Milan manager Capello took charge of England in 2008, but after a successful World Cup qualifying campaign, his side were beaten 4-1 by Germany in the last 16 of the tournament.
The Italian also led England to qualification for the European Championship in Poland and Ukraine before resigning, but Coates feels that Capello's tenure was a failure.
"I don't see what we've gained under his term as manager," said Coates, who also sits on the FA's international committee.
"When they talk about qualifying for these competitions, I just can't go along with that. If we can't qualify for major tournaments, we are failing abysmally because we're seeded to get through. It should be a matter of course.
"I wouldn't give any manager great praise for achieving something that should be routine.
"You have to get into the last four [of major tournaments], if you've done that, you've done a good job."
Capello's resignation followed the FA's decision to strip John Terry of the England captaincy after he was charged with racially abusing Anton Ferdinand, claims the Chelsea defender denies.
Coates agreed with the FA's actions and feels Capello could have used the situation to engineer his exit.
"It was very difficult decision for the FA, and I think they got it right," he said.
"They should have had Capello as part of the discussion, that's what would normally happen at a football club.
"But the cynic in me says he might have manipulated this. He might have decided that was his opportunity to get out and he's taken it."
England Under-21s manager Stuart Pearce will take charge of the senior side for the friendly against the Netherlands, with the FA now beginning the search for Capello's permanent successor.
Coates says the FA needs to have learnt from Capello's reign, and joins the list of those calling for Tottenham boss Harry Redknapp to be appointed England manager.
"I hope lessons have been learnt because I would never have a manager who couldn't speak English. Capello never bothered to get himself proficient in the language, even though he said he would.
"I would never have a manager who had not had exposure to the English game. It has been proved that it doesn't work.
"I think the stand-out candidate is Harry Redknapp, every man and his dog knows that. He would be a good choice in my view and if a deal can be done I'm sure he'll get the job.
"Obviously it's complicated because he's got a big job at Spurs, but I'm sure he'd want the England job and it would be perfect for him.
"They sometimes ask you what you [the international commitee] think, but they know my views. It's their decision, and I hope they get it right."
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 10 February 2012 16:58 (1 year ago) Permalink