Huckabee to GQ: Gay Marriage Will End Civilization

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GQ: Is the strategy shifting because social conservatives are losing on those core issues? Ten years ago, it would have been unimaginable to have gay marriage even in liberal Massachusetts. Now it’s there.

HUCKABEE: I don’t think the issue’s about being against gay marriage. It’s about being for traditional marriage and articulating the reason that’s important. You have to have a basic family structure. There’s never been a civilization that has rewritten what marriage and family means and survived. So there is a sense in which, you know, it’s one thing to say if people want to live a different way, that’s their business. But when you want to redefine what family means or what marriage means, then that’s an issue that should require some serious and significant debate in the public square. And if you look at states that have had it on the ballot—I know in our state it was a 70-percent-against issue. Most states are similar to that.

GQ: But if the younger generation keeps going the way it’s going, it could be 50 percent in ten years.

HUCKABEE: It could.

GQ: I just wonder what you’d say to the gay couple who says, “Well, we want to live this way, and my partner can’t come visit me in a nursing home.”

HUCKABEE: He can with a power of attorney. That’s the fallacy, that this requires some new definition of marriage. It’s simply not the case.

GQ: So why can’t you call it a civil union?

HUCKABEE: Because it really is a precursor toward marriage. Once the government says this relationship is in essence similar to or equal to a marriage—we’re not going to call it that, but that’s what it is—and you grant it the same basic rights as marriage, then you’ve effectively done it.

Is This Guy For Real?

stephen, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

He refused to back away from his "isolate the HIV+" statements. Ryan White's mother wants a piece of his ear.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

He makes "power of attorney" sound so fucking hot!

Eric H., Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

there has never been a civilization that has survived

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

x-post -- Pounder of ass-tourney

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

There’s never been a civilization that has rewritten what marriage and family means and survived.

Fixed.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

There’s never been civilization

Best?

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

never

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

There’s never been a civilization that has rewritten what marriage and family means and survived.

I'm sorry, Rev Huckabee, but can you back that up with any relevant facts whatsoever?

Michael White, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

I hate Huckabees.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

I get the sense that what he REALLY wants to say is that civilizations were destroyed BECAUSE they "changed" the definition of marriage - problem is there's no facts that back that up either.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

What civilizations changed the def'n of marriage, anyways?

libcrypt, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

there are all kinds of polygamous "civilizations" that have survived to the present day, for one thing (Mormons, Islam, etc.)

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

These types really need to stay in church and stop running for public office. I just wrote the understatement of the year.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

I thought he meant something like "Greek civ", but anyways.

So there are no Mormons and no Islam today?

libcrypt, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

What civilizations changed the def'n of marriage, anyways?

Well, pretty much ALL of them, if you count by his definition of "marriage" and all its attendent expectations.

Laurel, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

obviously he is thinking of Sodom & Gommorrah, but even so, he's still wrong.

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

Greece and Rome were all about the man-boy love but legally they still hewed to pretty trad-Western monogomous marriage, afaik.

this, of course, does not help Huckabee's case at all

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

Greeks may have changed the def'n of love, but not marriage.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

Eeeexcept for the part where you married women much your junior/inferior and then confined them to the house for years and years and took all their money and property and their fertility and decided whether the children they gave birth to should live or not. Or maybe he'd like that.

Laurel, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

the thing is I don't think there's any civilization to-date that legally sanctioned same-sex marriage prior to the 20th century, so basically wtf is he on about

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

The only part that really matters to Suckabee is whether marriage means same-polarity, not whether men can have a bazillion wives they treat like shit, obv.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

is this essentially "gayness will decimate the human race" ?

Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

Suckabee lolz

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

cos that's my favourite "he darkly hinted" trope ever

Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

For fuck's sake why didn't the chickenshit reporter challenge him -- cuz his editor worried about a "balanced" article?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

i mean, do conservatives think all men are secretly disgusted by sexing with the ladies and are just waiting with desperation for the second it becomes universally acceptable to chat up their buddy?

Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 21:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

...

Laurel, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

I love that a mostly non-breeding minority of homosexuals on an increasingly over-populated planet is what will spell the end of humankind. If this is really the fruit of his capacity for reason, I don't him anywhere near the levers of power.

Michael White, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

"I love that a mostly non-breeding minority of homosexuals on an increasingly over-populated planet is what will spell the end of humankind."

is what i'm saying. dunno if MH is saying this but, this is the line of thinking among many people, isn't it?

Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

it spelt the end of ted haggard's career

Just got offed, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

I dunno about "many" - they may be a majority at the moment but as noted, that majority is getting old and dying.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

Mike Huckabee: No Homo

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

wasn't the sin of Sodom "inhospitality"?

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

Results 1 - 10 of about 196 for "mike fuckabee". (0.22 seconds

Tape Store, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

xp
so much potential there

Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

My problem with this line of thinking is that marriage, as yet unredefined, is finding it increasingly hard to keep population falling in developed countries already. I knew when they allowed divorce and decriminalized cohabitation we were all going to be fucked.

Michael White, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

I don't think overpopulation is really an issue, its more one of resource organization and allocation but whatevs, that's a different thread

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

Because it [civil unions] really is a precursor toward marriage. Once the government says this relationship is in essence similar to or equal to a marriage—we’re not going to call it that, but that’s what it is—and you grant it the same basic rights as marriage, then you’ve effectively done it.

This is reprehensible.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

gay marriage will only lead to the GAYEST KIDS EVER

pc user, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

As a follow-up, I also think gay people should be able to get married, but Huckabee's line of reasoning on civil unions falls somewhere between evil and just indefensible (Why is it not okay for a gay couple to have a civil union that allow one to visit their partner in a nursing home but it is okay for a gay couple to navigate around those restrictions via a power of attorney?; That's very thin reasoning if you're worried -- as Huckabee apparently is -- about protecting the "fabric of society" from homosexuals).

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

Because at least with power of attorney, there's a possibility of having a conservative, traditionalist (i.e. bigoted) judge overturn/overrule a nursing home visit. It gives more hope to maintaining the status quo than a law granting civil unions would; if such things are decided on a case-by-case basis in the courts, then at least some of them will swing in Huckabee's favor.

stephen, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

how does power of attorney work in this case, Daniel? My dad just got it to handle my grandmother's affairs, but I don't understand the intricacies.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

the 'power of attorney' option can really only provide for family visitation / medical / end of life issues, but doesn't provide for the tax and other shared benefits (spousal health insurance, e.g.) that go along with marriage.

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

Alfred: There are many different uses for a power of attorney ("POA"). It's my understanding that they're used in this context most often when someone can't act on their own behalf; the POA transfers the right to act to someone who is in a better position to take action and make decisions (e.g., they suffer from dementia and can no longer handle their own financial affairs). But POA's aren't used as "backstage passes" in the way Huckabee implies.

To be fair, this isn't my area of the law. Someone else here may know more.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

Mike Huckabee: No Homo

-- Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:05 PM

lol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 22:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

For fuck's sake why didn't the chickenshit reporter challenge him -- cuz his editor worried about a "balanced" article?

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:57 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

otm

pathetic

s1ocki, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 23:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

i hardly think GQ is a left leaning publication :/

pc user, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 23:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

wasn't the sin of Sodom "inhospitality"?

-- Dr Morbius, Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:05 PM

Yeah. As I recall the Angels showed up in Sodom and hung out at Lot's place. Everybody in Sodom was like "let us see (rape?) these angels, guy," and he said "rape my daughters instead, they're virgins!"

And then God killed everybody in Sodom except for Lot & his daughters, either because they were gay or because they wanted to "know" the angels, depending on who you ask.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 23:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

Angels R HOTTTTT

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 23:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

that entire photoessay is fucking terrifying

keeping things contextual (DJP), Friday, 3 August 2012 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

idk, Rahm Emanuel seems like a motherfucker with some dark secrets, he might eat all kinds of birds

your native bacon (mh), Friday, 3 August 2012 14:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

at least Huck knows a semicolon from honey mustard

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 August 2012 14:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

would love to hear the conversations that took place while these motherfuckers had to stand in line for ~1 hr to get a chicken sandwich. do they stick with it so that the company gets their SUPPORT? for the EXPERIENCE? to prove to someone that they're committed? so they can get the picture of themselves holding the chicken sandwich at the end?

j., Friday, 3 August 2012 14:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

occupy chicken sandwich

your native bacon (mh), Friday, 3 August 2012 14:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

to prove to someone that they're committed?

This. Remember, this shit is tribalism. Celebration & reinforcement of the in-group, denigration of the out-group. Loudly shouting to yourself and your neighbors of your stance. Repping for your team no what heinous shit they did or how wrong they are. Being part of an exciting thing that you can join in with your friends.

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Friday, 3 August 2012 15:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

i know otherwise extraordinarily nice folks who think this is a good idea and it makes my veins bulge

arby's, Friday, 3 August 2012 15:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Same here.

Is the kiss-a-thon happening today?

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 August 2012 15:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's smdh time in America (will), Friday, 3 August 2012 15:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

"hey grandad did you go to chick-fil-a on august 1, 2012?"

"ummm, well... see, i..."

it's smdh time in America (will), Friday, 3 August 2012 15:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

What happens when progressive evangelists write about this stuff:

So please stop redefining Christianity as a superficial cultural tribe that self-identifies through its particular tastes in facial hair, “relevant” fashion, political stances, and the culture war loyalty test of the week (despite what it says in the picture your friend shared with you on facebook, you really won’t burn in hell if you don’t share it with 10 other people). Instead of all the superficial tribalism, be disciples who take a stand against your own sin. Be evangelists who are acutely attentive to navigating around other peoples’ stumbling blocks and loving them into the truth. Be witnesses of the beauty you have seen in Jesus Christ. Don’t let anyone trick you into being any less.

Problem is, plenty of folks are by nature far more into marching behind a standard, any standard carried by their authority figures their entire culture, personality, and upbringing have hardwired obedience into. Works the same with a national flag. What the standard or flag means don't mean shit, it's about marching behind it.

These dudes are "Christian" as a brand name only; theyre much more into following the State Religion of the Empire than listening to some dude who said hey we should actually care about poor people. The tenets of the religion don't mean squat, group affiliation does.

Whenever rightwing doofuses pop up to make proclamations about why they're doing what they're doing, I just replace the word "Christian" with "Ohio State," and it makes far more sense.

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Friday, 3 August 2012 15:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

i know otherwise extraordinarily nice folks who think this is a good idea and it makes my veins bulge

Yeah, people are complicated and plenty of smart people believe things for decidedly non-smart reasons. I know folks who believe in new age medical bollocks and libertarianism, and it's the same reaction.

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Friday, 3 August 2012 15:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

i was on a plane the other day and sat next to a 10-year-old Unaccompanied Minor girl and she was telling me about her school and was like "it's a christian school but i dunno some of the kids don't act very christian" and i was like lol welcome to earth

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 3 August 2012 15:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

thumbing through your copy of Lolita

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 August 2012 15:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

she was thumbing through her copy of emma actually

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 3 August 2012 15:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was going to start rewriting "Don't You Want Me" around this scenario but I got to "you were thumbing through your Emma in an airplane seat" and all my BAD IDEA alarms went off

keeping things contextual (DJP), Friday, 3 August 2012 15:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

you were thumbing through your Emma in an airplane seat
when I met you
you lectured me
you preached to me
I laughed you off
my little boo

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 August 2012 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

"it's a christian school but i dunno some of the kids don't act very christian"

Exactly. This. The term is a marketing/tribal/brand name you use to sell shitty pop music to rightwing authoritarian followers. It has dick-all to do with the source of the name or paying attention to the teachings of some itinerant revolutionary rabbi who had some good ideas tromping around Asia Minor during the reign of Tiberius.

It's one of the reasons I don't identify myself as "Christian", but rather as "drunken Protestant" or "loosely Presbyterian"

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Friday, 3 August 2012 15:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

idk who gets to determine what "acting Christian" means, does it just mean acting like the ideals? pretty sure people confuse "you are supposed to do this" with "you will act like this at all times because you are infallible"

your native bacon (mh), Friday, 3 August 2012 16:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's a noticeable difference between "I try to live up to these ideals but sometimes I make mistakes" and "I pay lip service to these ideals but never follow them because I am a gigantic ass"

keeping things contextual (DJP), Friday, 3 August 2012 16:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think she just meant people were being dicks more than they had to be

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 3 August 2012 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

your native bacon (mh), Friday, 3 August 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

Right, wot Dan said.

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Friday, 3 August 2012 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Posted to my facebook today re Chik-Fil-A: Hey...let's eat water intensive meat during a drought to celebrate our homophobia....

David Allan Cow (Dan Peterson), Friday, 3 August 2012 16:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Christianity = "Boy, I sure am a sinner. I should ask every day for forgiveness."

"Christianity" = "Boy, you sure are a sinner. You should ask every day for forgiveness. I, on the other hand, have a Jesus fish on my car."

Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Friday, 3 August 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hey...let's eat water intensive meat during a drought to celebrate our homophobia....

I think you mean "homophilia." At least that's my experience.

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 August 2012 16:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Homo-Fil-A

David Allan Cow (Dan Peterson), Friday, 3 August 2012 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

this whole thing is really reminding me of the terry shiavo thing for some reason

goole, Friday, 3 August 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

because it's so fucking stupid, is the reason, probably.

goole, Friday, 3 August 2012 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yes, and it's another skirmish for people desperately wanting to prove that they're not victims of modernity by bolstering themselves and loudly chanting their tribal affinity and righteousness to drown out any possible internal doubt or anxiety.

Check the Slacktivist link I posted a coupla days ago; American conservative/Republican/evangelical culture is _all_ about declaring the correct Stances, and ostracizing those who don't reaffirm some plank as zealously as others.

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Friday, 3 August 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Looks like from that picture gallery there is a competition about which congressman can prove they are the most "conservative" by having the most chick fil a bags on their desks.

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 3 August 2012 17:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

Feel like this is the Stand with Chik-Fil-A standing in for Las Vegas.

defriend the undefriendable (how's life), Friday, 3 August 2012 17:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Here, this gawker bit is good:

All Meals Are Possible Through Christ: Hate-Bingeing on the Chicken

...People gathered to celebrate the wonder-working power of redemption through Christ—which, instead of what all those pipe-organ songs seem to suggest, is cause for intense, simmering resentment.

[....]

Indeed, you could be forgiven for assuming that this was solely a protest in favor of religion, but it was as much about Free Market Jesus as it was about the original version, with the poor people and the repudiation of material things. A large motivating factor for the Chick-Fil-A celebrants was aggrieved rhetoric from the far right that portrayed gay activist groups as violating or suppressing the First Amendment in two ways. One, that citizens boycotting a business constitutes active suppression of speech, and that Obama/The Gays/The Left were "criminalizing" pro-Christian speech. Two, that the original text of the First Amendment read, "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, unless that speech or assembly affects a corporation's bottom line."

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

i ate at CFA on wednesday but didnt find out until afterwards that it was hate-a-homo day. it wasnt any busier than it usually is at lunchtime on a weekday. i ate there the next day too

WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

I hope you introduced yourself.

defriend the undefriendable (how's life), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

isn't it illegal to ingest CAF products more than once a week?

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Hungry4Ass&Chicken

keeping things contextual (DJP), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

joaquin haus-partizan (s1ocki), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

"hello my name is hungry4ass and I am hear to share chicken with you"

your native bacon (mh), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

has this been posted yet

protected by viper. stand back. (D-40), Saturday, 4 August 2012 08:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

argh typo

your native bacon (mh), Saturday, 4 August 2012 14:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

wow xp

k3vin k., Saturday, 4 August 2012 15:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

ugh

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Saturday, 4 August 2012 15:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yay tribalism

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

it'd be depressing if it weren't so hilarious

mississippi joan hart (crüt), Saturday, 4 August 2012 18:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

A lot of Eagle Scouts have been sending their medals back in protest of Boy Scout policy. I suppose I'd do this, too, but I have no idea where my Eagle Scout medal is.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 August 2012 19:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I might have my Second Class badge around somewhere...

defriend the undefriendable (how's life), Saturday, 4 August 2012 21:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

https://sites.google.com/site/chickenoffset/

goole, Thursday, 9 August 2012 17:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

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