Rolling US Economy Into The Shitbin Thread

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here we go guys

El Tomboto, Thursday, 18 October 2007 23:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

personally I'm applying for a civil servant position ASAP

El Tomboto, Thursday, 18 October 2007 23:45 (8 years ago) Permalink

Just FYI, during the 1930s depression, many civil servants were paid with vouchers rather than cash, because local governments were unable to collect property taxes and their receipts fell into the shitbin.

Aimless, Friday, 19 October 2007 00:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

Economy's doing poorly enough as it stands, why do we deliberately want to roll it into the shitbin?

Abbott, Friday, 19 October 2007 00:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

Because that way Hillary can rescue us all.

Dandy Don Weiner, Friday, 19 October 2007 00:17 (8 years ago) Permalink

lol property taxes

El Tomboto, Friday, 19 October 2007 00:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

shitbin's a great word, BTW.

Dandy Don Weiner, Friday, 19 October 2007 00:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

you been loving my thread titles lately

El Tomboto, Friday, 19 October 2007 00:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

i came to this country some time ago with little more than a crippling debt burden in GB Pounds and the shirt on my back. i used to have to send back $1,200 each month to pay off my UK debt, and now I'm sending back over $1,400 to cover the same amount of debt repayment. that's two and a half thousand dollars disappearing from my tiny disposable income every year, for no explicable reason. i *heart* the decline of the US economy.

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 19 October 2007 00:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

anyway why start this thread now because the bit where ritholtz points out that domino's pizza can't print new menus fast enough to keep up with inflation was pretty fucking amazing

I wish rasheed wallace was still around to show us the latest and greatest exploding bubble blogs

El Tomboto, Friday, 19 October 2007 00:28 (8 years ago) Permalink

wow Roberto that was some shitty timing, that sucks

El Tomboto, Friday, 19 October 2007 00:29 (8 years ago) Permalink

This was in the paper today:

Mortgage defaults

Hit an annual rate of 1.5 million in September. That compares with 900,000 last year from fewer than 800,000 in 2005. At the current rate, more than one million Americans will lose their homes to foreclosure, making this the worst housing recession since the Second World War.

Housing starts

Sank to a 14-year low of 1.19 million in September. Starts are a vital economic engine, creating jobs and growth as people stuff their homes with sofas and TVs. Starts peaked at 2.3 million in early 2006, and the decline will be a drag on the rest of the economy until the slide stops.


A quarter of the roughly 50 million U.S. home mortgages are subprime. That's seven times the number of high-risk mortgages there were in 2001. That means that many more marginal homeowners have mortgages, making it far more likely they'll wind up in default.

House prices

Fell 3.2 per cent in the second quarter. Prices are falling faster and more broadly than they have in decades, according to the closely watched Case-Shiller index.

everything, Friday, 19 October 2007 00:29 (8 years ago) Permalink

In regard to inflation, in the USA during the past three years inflation has been soaring - but almost entirely in the housing sector. The fact that people are encouraged to see their houses as investments rather than as expenses doesn't mean that skyrocketing housing costs weren't inflationary. They were.

As the bubble market bursts, I predict a recession with an extra added bonus of inflation running close to 10% - before the end of 2008. As it has for the past 30 years, the official CPI will understate the real inflation rate. It was rigged under Reagan so that government entitlement programs indexed to the CPI would not increase at the true pace of inflation.

If Bush continues to shovel shit on the dollar right up to the end of his term in January 2009, the inflation rate could hit 15%-20% by 2010.

Aimless, Friday, 19 October 2007 00:55 (8 years ago) Permalink

There are some good economics articles put up here as well:

stet, Friday, 19 October 2007 01:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

Which shit on the dollar are you referring to?

Dandy Don Weiner, Friday, 19 October 2007 01:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

As the bubble market bursts, I predict a recession with an extra added bonus of inflation running close to 10% - before the end of 2008.


aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Friday, 19 October 2007 06:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

this is why i live in canada!

J0rdan S., Friday, 19 October 2007 06:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

oh wait.

J0rdan S., Friday, 19 October 2007 06:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

Guys, this is a good time stay in academia right?

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 19 October 2007 11:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

It's a good time to learn a European language.

Nubbelverbrennung, Friday, 19 October 2007 13:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

Prime shit examples:

When Bush was elected in 2000, the federal budget was in surplus and the national debt was being paid down. Had this state of affairs continued, as projected, it would have led both to lower interest rates and a strong dollar, together. Instead, Bush submitted a series of enormous tax cuts to the Republican-controlled Congress and lobbied them through. Immediately, the CBO's projected budget surpluses turned to projected deficits for the next decade.

Bush also initiated a war of choice, not necessity, in Iraq. This war has already cost well over $700 billion. Yet, Bush insisted on making his tax cuts permanent. Overall, the national debt has increased under Bush by about $2 trillion in seven years. This represents a difference of about $3 trillion of debt from what was projected at the start of his first term.

Because, due to Bush's tax cuts and other policies, the Federal government was in a far weaker position to stimulate the economy when the recession started after 9/11, almost the entire stimulus was delivered via lower interest rates. Because these rate cuts were artificial, and not based on a stronger dollar, this stimulus not only inflated the current housing bubble, but it also undercut the dollar even more than the ballooning national debt did.

Now the dollar is at an all-time low against the euro and the canadian dollar. However, the incomes of the top 10% of American households have increased at a good clip, while the lower 50% of households have seen a decrease in income after inflation. This is largely thanks to Bush's shitty policies. I expect more of the same mismanagement until he is gone.

Aimless, Saturday, 20 October 2007 18:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

I agree with everything you've just said. You're predictions still seem a tad extreme on the downside though, if I may so.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Saturday, 20 October 2007 18:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

i wonder if income inequality will ever arrive as a political issue in this country. americans tend to not begrudge the rich - so it'll have to be more of a "for everyone's good" type of angle. no?

jhøshea, Saturday, 20 October 2007 18:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

I remember the 1970s and early 80s quite well. Back then people couldn't belileve it, either. Bush has done a bangup job of recreating many of the same policy errors under Johnson and Nixon that led to raging stagflation back then, except the underlying economy is now weaker than it was in the 1970s and the oil shocks we are likely to get are not political, as when OPEC was formed, but structural.

Oil will exceed $100/barrel some time this winter. The ever-weakening dollar will lead to smaller profit margins and rising retail prices on all imported goods (which means almost everything we buy in the USA). Transport costs will rise with pil prices. Stock prices will erode along with profits. With so many savings tied up in stocks and home equity, consumer spending will be crunched, and personal debt and bancruptcies will rise like a tide. Businesses will retrench and unemployment will rise. No end in sight.

I hope I am wrong.

Aimless, Saturday, 20 October 2007 19:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

Anyone want to join my modern-day James Gang? We shall ride across the lower Midwest, robbing and pillaging.

milo z, Saturday, 20 October 2007 19:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

sounds fun

jhøshea, Saturday, 20 October 2007 19:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

Sorry, I don't want to relocate. But this scheme sounds ripe for franchising.

Aimless, Saturday, 20 October 2007 19:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

Oil will exceed $100/barrel some time this winter. The ever-weakening dollar will lead to smaller profit margins and rising retail prices on all imported goods (which means almost everything we buy in the USA). Transport costs will rise with pil prices. Stock prices will erode along with profits. With so many savings tied up in stocks and home equity, consumer spending will be crunched, and personal debt and bancruptcies will rise like a tide. Businesses will retrench and unemployment will rise. No end in sight.

I hope I am wrong.

-- Aimless, Saturday, 20 October 2007 19:07 (14 minutes ago) Link

The coming of $100/barrel oil is not Bush's fault. It's yours and mine and everyone else's for using too damned much energy. I agree Bush could and should have done a lot more with policy to encourage energy efficiency, but there's little he could have done to stop oil's eventual rise to that price level.

Hurting 2, Saturday, 20 October 2007 19:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

Part of the pricing of oil represents the weakness of the dollar. This hurts the USA more than it does other countries. US citizens are paid in dollars and the US government collects revenue in dollars, so they are stuck. EU countries can use euros to buy increasingly cheap dollars, so they don't see the same rise in prices as we do. The weakness of the dollar is mainly Bush's fault.

Aimless, Saturday, 20 October 2007 19:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

The US also uses way more oil than other countries.

Hurting 2, Saturday, 20 October 2007 19:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

he could have done to stop oil's eventual rise to that price level.
Not starting a war in Iraq would definitely have helped here.

stet, Saturday, 20 October 2007 19:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

El Tomboto, Monday, 22 October 2007 17:47 (8 years ago) Permalink

arrgh, if that won't work then

El Tomboto, Monday, 22 October 2007 17:47 (8 years ago) Permalink

tombot u r freakin me out

gff, Monday, 22 October 2007 17:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

i hope my small apartment + modest savings plan + job in "information services" is enough to weather the shitstorm, if it comes. i got myself out of credit card debt a few months ago, at least

gff, Monday, 22 October 2007 17:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

well if you can hold down a job and don't have to worry about an ARM reset you should be okay, it's the homeowner with kids and a subprime loan and two cars who ought to be shitting themselves

El Tomboto, Monday, 22 October 2007 17:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

apart from some student loans and binging on credit cards over a few years, i'm kind of debt phobic.

which has actually made me lose out over the past several years, i realize, since i pay for EVERYTHING with a debit/check card... i could have just paid that balance on a credit card with some rewards scheme and has some air miles or something

gff, Monday, 22 October 2007 18:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

rolling gff personal finances into the shitbin thread, ha

gff, Monday, 22 October 2007 18:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

This will give you a boner Tombot

Dandy Don Weiner, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 11:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

the economy increased by 3.9% this quarter! bull market forever, baby. economy's better than ever. golden age.

yet me and so many people I know are getting laid off next month. granted we're all in the writing/design field, but urhhhhh. gggg.

burt_stanton, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 14:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

^^^ lol

most of that guy's scenario is not really news to regular bigpicture/CR readers I don't think. But #5, the "we don't pay attention" thing, yeah, well, evidently the awareness campaign is underway, but hell if the big players are paying attention.

He also leaves out the approaching demographic catastrophe as millions of inexperienced thirtysomethings and even some late-twenties kids are forced to move into arguably tougher jobs that the boomers have been holding for two decades. Beyond the social security and healthcare costs associated with mass retirement, I don't really know if this generation has the work ethic and definitely not the rolodex to just start filling in and not fuck up royally. too busy updating their linkedin pages.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 15:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

can someone explain what "being upside down on your mortgage" means, in plain English?

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 16:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

essentially, owing more than your home is worth.

Dandy Don Weiner, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 17:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

also Tombot I'm not going to blame this generation as much as I blame their parents.

Dandy Don Weiner, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 17:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

isn't that the way people buy homes? by paying for the privilege of a loan?

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 17:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

When you enter into a contract with a bank for a mortgage, both you and the bank assume that the property value will not plummet. The bank doesn't want you to default any more than you want to default. But if for whatever reason you need to sell your home, and you can't get what you owe on it, then you will owe the difference to the bank. And the bank knows that when that happens, you probably will not have enough assets to cover the difference.

Predatory-type loans (which seems like a nebulous description to me) typically compound the problem because they have higher transaction rates (points, etc.)

Dandy Don Weiner, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 17:17 (8 years ago) Permalink

oh certainly! well played baby boom letting healthcare slide for the 20 years you've owned the electorate

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 17:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

yeah Tracer it's also called "negative equity"

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 17:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

hahaha as soon as I got to the part with the Thomas Friedman quote I was like "say no more, I would like to sign up for your newsletter"

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Monday, 24 March 2014 03:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

most terrifying part is buried way in

I'm essentially competing for every hour of my employment.

j., Monday, 24 March 2014 03:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

buried but kind of implied at other points I think. Chilling piece, yeah. Also dovetails nicely with an interview I listened to last night with Jennifer Silva

available here: (Nov 21)

more about the non-tech-savvy In This Economy but some of the themes overlap

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Monday, 24 March 2014 03:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

the silver lining is that it starts to sound toward the end like these platforms are shitty business models that will either change or fail

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Monday, 24 March 2014 04:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

3. Half of Americans are "Poor" or "Low-Income"

This is based on the Census Department's Relative Poverty Measure (Table 4), which is "most commonly used in developed countries to measure poverty." The Economic Policy Institute uses the term "economically vulnerable." With this standard, 18 percent of Americans are below the poverty threshold and 32 percent are below twice the threshold, putting them in the low-income category.

The official poverty rate increased by 25 percent between 2000 and 2011. Seniors and children feel the greatest impact, with 55 percent of the elderly and almost 60 percent of children classified as poor or low-income under the relative poverty measure. Wider Opportunities for Women reports that "60 percent of women age 65 and older who live alone or live with a spouse have incomes insufficient to cover basic, daily expenses."

4. It's Much Worse for Black Families

Incredibly, while America's total wealth has risen from $12 trillion to $77 trillion in 25 years, the median net worth for black households has GONE DOWN over approximately the same time, from $7,150 to $6,446, adjusted for inflation. State of Working America reports that almost half of black children under the age of six are living in poverty.

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 14:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^ worst part is how unsurprising it is.

Aimless, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 18:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

time to live in 5th element cubies

Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 20:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

charles pierce otm

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 30 May 2014 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

captain obvious: "a very ugly blame game going on that’s directed — is orchestrated — by people who are doing very nicely at the top to turn the sort of great middle class that itself is feeling squeezed against people at the bottom"

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 30 June 2014 17:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

I don't want most people to experience the misery of another bubble bursting but I feel like the post-recession gains in the economy have been accumulated by such a relatively small number of people that it wouldn't be as devastating.

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Friday, 18 July 2014 09:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

I could easily see stocks falling 10% on no news, but to get more than that, I think something would have to happen in the "real" economy.

o. nate, Friday, 18 July 2014 19:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

on the bright side, enough americans now live in poverty that something/anything must be done (besides cut taxes / deregulate big finance)?

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 19 September 2014 18:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

U.S. Economy Grew 5% in Third Quarter, Its Fastest Rate in More Than a Decade

Mordy, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 17:10 (11 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

"As anthropologist David Graeber puts it, 'Whenever someone starts talking about the ‘free market,’ it’s a good idea to look around for the man with the gun.' Despite the endless talk of a 'free market,' our economy is shaped by myriad government policies—and no matter where we look, we see government policies working against everyday workers. Whether it’s letting the real value of the minimum wage decline, making it harder to unionize, or creating bankruptcy laws and intellectual-property regimes that primarily benefit capital and the 1 percent, the way the government structures markets is responsible for weakening labor and causing wages to stay stuck."

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 14:21 (8 months ago) Permalink

i agree with konczal but i also feel like wages are gonna start increasing soon. not that that necessarily contradicts anything he's saying here. but the best thing to raise wages is a low unemployment rate. if unemployment were to continue declining and wages not go up, something is definitely up

unionization is weird because the types of industries that are/were unionized tended to pay relatively higher wages so it's hard to figure out what the _actual_ union premium is. it's not empirically clear anymore that there even is a significant premium. people were talking about this paper ( a few weeks ago that found a negative premium (for those who don't trust or can't understand economists this is a good explanation of the result & problems with the research design from a credibly left-wing source (and here's matt yglesias

fancy high skill jobs that already pay a high premium don't really need unions and the industries that employ them benefit from the flexibility, but widespread unionization of service sector could be welfare improving

obama wants to raise the federal minimum wage to 10$. that's obviously not going to happen anytime soon, but citywide MWs seem to be catching on and don't seem to have much effect on employment (although they do increase prices) ( a lot depends on what happens in oakland & seattle, if the elasticity is still small around 15$ MW workers in other cities are gonna start making noise

i tend to think there's a limit to how much influence govts have on labor market outcomes for good or bad and that rather than try to chase the dream of higher wages we should just go straight for the jugular and redistribute. USA and sweden have the same pre-tax GINI coefficient etc

flopson, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 17:28 (8 months ago) Permalink

if unemployment were to continue declining and wages not go up, something is definitely up

this is exactly what's happening in the UK fwiw

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 10 March 2015 17:34 (8 months ago) Permalink

real wages are actually _falling_ in the uk. labor productivity is also stalling though:

in the us it's more of a "mystery" since it's been increasing

flopson, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 17:52 (8 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Is the US economy tanking right now?

Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 30 March 2015 14:15 (8 months ago) Permalink

always a healthy question

Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 30 March 2015 14:16 (8 months ago) Permalink

I'm confused about all these numbers. Dollar getting stronger, Euro getting weaker - so that's ... bad? Good? And US unemployment falling, but real, invisible unemployment ... rising? Steady? Also, Russia - still collapsing? How's China? I assume we're all in the shitbin (save Germany?), but how shitty, for real?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 March 2015 14:25 (8 months ago) Permalink

Krugman doesn't seem too worried

curmudgeon, Monday, 30 March 2015 14:27 (8 months ago) Permalink

Krugman probably envisions the European Central Bank pulling a Bernanke out of its hat, which it may not be able to encompass. As Keynes pointed out, the selfishness that drives expansion in a capitalistic economy is also what drives recessions. It all hinges on whether the broad sum of selfish actions are motivated by optimism or fear. That still applies. As for confusion, there is plenty of room for it atm.

Aimless, Monday, 30 March 2015 16:59 (8 months ago) Permalink

I dunno. That article has a graph with actual facts in it regarding the number of businesses closing vs. new businesses opening, but it also has statements like this:

"The forces driving this trend include the increasing regulation of small businesses, corporate consolidation, more occupational licensing requirements and too few immigrants with high-tech skills."

For which statement it gives absolutely no evidence, including such weak-assed stuff as anecdotal evidence, which any half-assed journalist could gin up, whether or not the statement is actually true. I guess we are supposed to find it self-evident.

Aimless, Wednesday, 1 April 2015 19:15 (7 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

these are unrelated, more or less, but i've been thinking about these two series of tweets a lot

matt stoller, from a few months ago, on the global dominance of banks and its history:

"billmon" on the paucity of good antipoverty policy and the need for direct, WPA-style job programs

goole, Monday, 4 May 2015 18:34 (6 months ago) Permalink

^ this is kind of what my research is about

i'm not sure how wpa-style jobs programs are fundamentally different from the obama jobs bills, which krugman supported very vocally

problem with "employ everyone in huge public works programs" is it only works every once in a while. once we have the "equilibrium" amount of parks & schools you're either talking about expanding the state or the keynesian joke about "digging holes to fill them back up." so his argument implicitly requires that there's a large amount of non-NAIRU accelerating work out there to be done. which there might be? def lots of infrastructure spending to do on the cheap that is (infuriatingly) not getting done. but again, all the mainstream neoliberals he's deriding support that.

it's kind of like the flip of alesina, the economist who claims reducing government spending would lead to a surge in output as private investment rushes in to replace public spending. it's like, ok, even if we accept that this works (which no one really does) it's only a trick you can pull off once

flopson, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 22:26 (6 months ago) Permalink

Well, if you're strapped for ideas of public works that don't require specialized skills, out here in the western USA we have forests full of trails that need maintaining, but which are neglected for lack of money. That work right there could easily absorb a couple hundred thousand laborers in about ten western states for several years. Then there's decommissioning thousands of miles of unused, unneeded logging roads.

Aimless, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 23:45 (6 months ago) Permalink

i suppose the grimmer future-robot-overlord argument is that we will have (or have already had, for a long time!) whole populations of people who are totally beneath the use of capital, and the state's job is to keep them busy, keep them from turning into, well, what? communists? jihadis? charming hobos?

goole, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 22:06 (6 months ago) Permalink

it's the inherent flaw in capitalism. without consumers, the whole house of cards collapses. but capital monopolizes capital, destroying jobs, undermining consumerism. you can always blame it on benghazi

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 22:30 (6 months ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

reading the post-recession postscript added to this in its new edition, it runs from the 80s up to almost today and just plain lays out, here this happened, here congress did that, here this dude stole that, here X percent of all these transactions in the US went through them, etc. etc., facts facts facts and cold and furious as hell

talk about total powerlessness : (

j., Wednesday, 19 August 2015 15:16 (3 months ago) Permalink

in a perhaps counterproductive gesture i have added that book to my amazon wishlist

goole, Thursday, 20 August 2015 16:54 (3 months ago) Permalink


flopson, Thursday, 20 August 2015 19:12 (3 months ago) Permalink

it's amazing, you'll love it goole

although it will probably make you cringe at your corpo worklife

j., Thursday, 20 August 2015 19:35 (3 months ago) Permalink

Nothing can possibly go wrong with this: China to Flood Economy With Cash as Global Markets Lose Faith

Updated Aug. 24, 2015 8:12 a.m. ET
BEIJING—The selloff in Chinese stocks accelerated Monday, adding pressure on Beijing, which is planning to flood its banking system with new liquidity to offset effects of its recent surprise currency devaluation, according to Chinese officials and advisers to the central bank.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 24 August 2015 23:16 (3 months ago) Permalink

turn the bubble machine back on!

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 24 August 2015 23:24 (3 months ago) Permalink

free itunes gift card economy

johnny crunch, Monday, 24 August 2015 23:43 (3 months ago) Permalink

Doesn't seem like the bubble machine is working yet.

five six and (man alive), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 04:41 (3 months ago) Permalink

"they fly so 'igh, they reach the sky, then like my 'opes they fade and die"

called a 'Star' by the Compliance Unit (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 09:21 (3 months ago) Permalink

here's a similarly tendentious chinese-blaming article from last year's guardian:

transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 16:23 (3 months ago) Permalink

Didn't miss this thread and all of the rolling we did (and may have yet to do), but I do miss tombot's images at the top.

how's life, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 16:37 (3 months ago) Permalink

panicked george washington had to get retired once the market went up 10,000 points after plummeting in 2008

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 17:17 (3 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

that article is kind of garbled and all over the place, but some of the concerns it raises strike me as real.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 19:18 (1 month ago) Permalink

frustratingly sparse information on how $5B will be cut from social security in this very long article which spends more time talking about the ceremonial aspects of the formal leadership of the House

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 01:00 (1 month ago) Permalink

It's hard to tell from the article but it seems like the proposed deal is a two-year deal. So maybe.... $5B is not actually a lot? In 2013 total SS expenditures were $1.3T. So $5B would represent.... .38% of the total cost of the program. (A third of one percent).

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 01:11 (1 month ago) Permalink

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