Countdown: Jan 2008 -- The LOST Season 4 Anticipation Thread

january? fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

I know. :(

I'm going to just rewatch the series. Up to about ep5 of season 1.

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Probably it was significant that Sawyer & Juliet went back & we see Jack & Kate in the flash forward. The first two don't get rescued--which leads to unresolved feelings in the "fixer." I'm assuming everyone on the beach gets left behind--and I doubt Sun or Rose would leave. Yeah, the funeral has to be for Ben.

Remember when the doctor told Jack he was a hero "twice"? Hmm.
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See I was thinking they must of all went back. Who was Kate referring to when she said "I need to go. He'll ask questions." Probably too obvious to think Sawyer although I did.

I'm trying to figure out why Jack would want to go back to the island if everyone was rescued. I could see him--with his messiah complex--freaking out over not saving everyone. Naomi's people are the X factor here. Are Dharmans out for revenge or some whole new deal?

So I was figuring the funeral was Rose's?

* So is Mikhael actually dead now? I would assume so but he's already been "killed" like three times.

* The consensus is that Jack referring to his "father" in the future is just him being drugged up and confused? This seems like a stretch to me, but I can't remember whether we know 100 percent for sure that Jack's dad is dead. I thought we did.

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If so why would Jack say he wasn't a friend? (also paper clipping said "Man". I can't imagine it being any of the losties b/c I think he would call all of them friends. (Unless Locke goes completely off his rocker here soon.)

Everybody talk here, come on!

I'm sure someone would go to Rose's funeral. It was Ben's; he had no one off-island having lived there his whole life, none of the 815 survivors would have gone because fuck him you know?, and Jack was crying because A) if he had listened to Ben he would still be on the island, and B) Ben may have been the only living person who could've gotten him back onto the island.

re: Jack's dad. He did see his body on the morgue though the coffin was empty on the island.

I'm thinking there must be some sort of alternate universe thing going on. In the world we are watching, they lived Jack's dad died while in the world they're flashing back (forward?) to no one survived the crash and Jack's dad didn't die. Maybe by being rescued they've FUCKED IT ALL UP.

in the morgue, duh

so here's my theory. they get rescued, right, but they're going back to the wrong world/timeline/whatever. in the one they wind up in, something different happened, or maybe multiple things, and one of them is that 815 DID in fact crash into the ocean and everybody died. christian is alive. etc. and i'm sticking with this theory until AT LEAST tomorrow.

ooh XPish

grr, I knew the ILx LOST community would be divided if I started a new thread.

Should we call the people sticking to the old thread The Others?

yes! don't trust them.

There's this burbling electronic noise they use on the soundtrack for Lost during the "OMG CREEPY" scenes that sounds like the intro to "Rikki Don't Lost That Number" by Steely Dan.

re: Kate and "He'll be wondering where I am".

I read somewhere that the guy she married while she was a fugitive (Firefly cop-dude) is looking to re-appear in LOST, and his character is still looking for Kate. It's possible they in fact reconcile in the future.

The fact that they weren't accepting Christian Sawyer's prescription might mean that Jack had sunk low enough to try to write himself scrips in his dead father's name hoping no one would recognize the name. To actually have Christian alive & practicing medicine again? Doesn't fly.

I think he def. wrote that scrip himself and that may explain why he didn't want the pharmacist to call and check (dad alive, just didn't give him the scrip)

I think that something about Naomi's people (and how they conduct the "rescue") tips Jack off to the fact that Ben & Locke were right about the island. I also doubt that more than a few of them actually get rescued. Claire & Aaron, because of the vision, plus Jack, Kate, Ben and a bunch of no namers.

"Claire & Aaron, because of the vision"

which vision? did I miss something?

Desmond's vision. We didn't see it, he just told Charlie.

I watched the finale and was into it despite not seeing the rest of season 3.

So is season 4 going to be all about them trying to get back to the island? That would be funny.

Did Desmond arrive too late to warn them? They basically called the boat on the assumption that Naomi was working for his long-lost sweetheart, but now he knows that Naomi was probably lying. In any case, if rescue does come, Desmond is one person who's not likely to leave with them.

We haven't seen Desmond leave the Looking Glass yet. Who knows if he makes back to them in time.

Newspaper article

* The first sentence of the article Jack carries around in the flash-forward seems to read, "The body of Jo.. [unreadable] ..antham of New York was.. [unreadable] ..[shor]tly after 4 a.m. in the.. [unreadable] of Grand Avenue. Ted.. [unreadable] ..man at The Tower.. [unreadable] ..loud noises.. [unreadable].. loft. Co.. [unreadable] ..entered the.. [unreadable] ..a beam in the.. [unreadable] ..[ac]cordin[g].. [unreadable].."

There was a spoiler (from the producers?) about the finale a month back or so that said that the Lost camp would divide into two groups, one led by Jack & the other by Sawyer--but that the division would end up serving some 3rd party's interest.

First of all, Saayid is a better leader than either of those goons. Non-whiteness precludes leadership after all, though.

Second, who is the 3rd party-- Naomi's folks, Ben, Locke?

Who on the island has a name starting with Jo? hmm. . .

Agreed on Sayid although I think he's not that keen on being the leader.

Here's the weird bit - if Naomi's not working for Penny, why does she have a picture of her and Desmond together?

Jo = John Locke? He's also another guy not likely to have anyone attend his funeral, he doesn't have any family left outside the island, and the 815-ers hate him for trying to stop them from leaving.

x-post: whoever guessed the third party as penelope's pops, charles widmore has my vote. that would also explain the photo, right?

i remain a bit confused about whether benry and the others are now part of dharma or something else entirely, so it could also be the OG dharma dudes swooping back in?

or HANSO...

xp: if i recall she didn't know WHO she was working for.

who's hanso?

ahhh, yes. how could i forget hanso?
namaste, bitches.
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/

xposts nope, she definitely mentioned she was working for Penelope Widmore, but she said she never met Penny.

Jo = may be Ja? The article isn't that clear. James Ford? JACOB??

who's hanso?

This dude who makes samurai swords. LOST/Kill Bill crossover!

You know, the dead person could be somebody we don't know about yet.

It's funny how many people's theories are based on either a) OMG ONE/ALL OF THE CHARACTERS ARE REALLY DEAD AND DON'T KNOW IT or b) alternate universe bullshit. The former is so so so so played out and obvious at this point, and the latter is the biggest copout in the world. I'm going to be annoyed if it's either one of those.

hanso is so hot right now

Tail Section website thinks that a song Charlie was writing on the island was playing on Jack's car stereo. Anyone hear this?

I didn't get any sense of alternate universe stuff from the ending. It seemed like the island stuff happened, they escaped, and then Jack realized that it was actually the best time of his life, maybe?

so played out and obvious at this point,

The producers have said this is not the case.

To me the alt. universe theory seems to best way to explain the inconsistencies at this point. But I have complete faith that they are fucking with us and it will turn out to be something we can't imagine.

xpost Jack must have had a pretty shitty life.

xpost no no no he wasn't SUPPOSED to leave

I think Jordan is right; on the island Jack is a leader and a hero and has the possibility of hooking up with Kate; off the island he has lost Kate and is fucked up and has an ugly beard.

I didn't get any sense of alternate universe stuff from the ending. It seemed like the island stuff happened, they escaped, and then Jack realized that it was actually the best time of his life, maybe?

I hope the last episode of the series is Jack sat outside the airport as kate drives off. he looks down and smiles to himself, then we're treated to a slow-mo montage of all the fun times on the island (beating ben, in the net with kate, etc...) to Medley and Warne, and then finally cutting back to Jack as he looks to the camera and says "i sure did."

Judging from responses from the producers, and one interview with Michael Emerson, they've pretty much all said that the explanations lie in science, or pseudo-science. So I don't think any of them are dead except where they've REALLY died. and if they are dead and people are seeing dead people among them, then they might choose to explain it as some sort of mind-control thing.

Alternate universe = that one's not ruled out yet, because it's still somewhere in the realm of pseudo-science. I don't think this is it though, it is kind of a cop-out.

I'd say time has a lot to do with it, but weird time issues =! alternate universe.

"alternate universe," "alternate timeline," whatev.

Yeah, at least he shaved on the island.

xp: basically if you fuck with causality and that changes the future you are in essence in an alternate version of reality/time/the universe.

Hmm. Time travel. Maybe they show up back in the world before the plane crash happens (hence Christian being alive & drunk.)

why would they Oceanic golden tickets? Would the airline admit they fucked up and flew into a black hole or something?

You guys are kind of crazy.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R4auf6Pc1bI/AAAAAAAAQkY/IOcHcD5gvjY/s1600/sayidjulietzz1.jpg

xpost billboard in tennessee

Six people get off the island then? Jack, Kate obviously, Claire is present in Desmond's vision, my guess would be Sun + Hurley + whoever's in the casket.

i spoilered on this whoops

to myself, i mean

Actually Hurley's on the beach isn't he? So its either him and Jin or neither of them.

Locke, Sayid and Sawyer to stay on the island please.

Starts 3rd Feburary at 9pm on Sky One in the UK.

That 8 minute 15 second complete series catch-up video is here:

www.wehavetogoback.com

Starts 3rd Feburary at 9pm on Sky One in the wee hours next Friday in the UK.

Day-and-date really has to kick in on this TV stuff internationally. I know so many people who find the notion of illegal downloading repellent, with LOST completely excluded.

I've learned to be very careful with my spoilage after the s3 finale. I've looked at promo pics and cast lists (Harold Perrineau is in main cast list but I doubt we'll see him until like episode 4 or 5) and that's it.

I like to imagine that with Jack leaving the island Sayid and Juliette will become an item.

I can't imagine Sun leaving the island w/o Jin, but that is just the kind of tearjerker I rely on LOST for.

I'm guessing Jack & Kate, Sun & Jin, Claire & Aaron.

I guess Jack, Kate, Sayid, Desmond, Claire, Baby Aaron.

I think Aaron doesn't count as one of the Oceanic Six as he wasn't born at the time. The guy in the casket is Mike, and both he and Walt will only appear in off-island flash-forwards (would also be a handy way of solving the problem of the actor playing Walt being 3-4 years older).

The guy in the casket is Mike

is this a spoiler u bastard?!?!

that didn't occur to me before but Michael was from New York and the newspaper clipping did say the man in question was from there. don't know if it's him or not (don't think it's Ben either tho).

(All of this is guesswork, I'm not reading no spoilers)

If baby Aaron doesn't count, I'm guessing Sun then - just from the line in the trailer (which, even though it's in all the ads, I don't want to write here lest I be accused of dropping a spoiler)

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/So_It_Begins

direct video link: http://ll.media.abc.com/video/flv/426x240/LOST_113_SoItBegins_MissingPieces_HD_1541896.flv

want Vincent flashback episode.

omg.

Vincent flashforward, even better.

Just caught up with the rest of those missing pieces "mobisodes" or whatever...I loved the Jin freakout one.

Oh hey btw TWO DAYS.

thinking about it more, does seem daft(er than normal) for the monster to be appearing even before a dog and as someone it wouldn't recognise. Jack waking up at that point may have been because the monster was nearby, he may have been thinking about Christian while unconscious or Christian was the first thing he thought of when he awoke (beyond 'wtf where am i') - whether subconsciously influenced by monster or not. ah fuckit.

Smokey though I think took on Christian's form because his body had just fallen onto the island (remember Yemi's body was also taken before smokey appeared to Eko as such).

I also kind of assumed it was the smokey-takes-on-the-dead thing that prompted the Others' funeral at sea tradition.

ooh good one, hadn't thought about the reasons for others sea-funerals before

TOMORROW

so excited you guys

if anyone watches the "enhanced" season 3 finale rerun tonight lemme know if they say anything interesting in the pop-up windows .... I'm gonna skip it

also apparently there is a clip show tomorrow before the premier

yah i have band practice tonight. please help a bro out with the "never before seen" stuff!

^^^

the pop-up-video screenshots of Enhanced Lost in the new york times today all showed stuff that an internerd like myself would already know (i.e. one said "Henry Gale is a character from the Wizard of Oz") .... but who knows, there might be some unexpected nuggets of wisdom

STOKED

So what did one snowman say to the other snowman?

SMELLS OF CARROTS.

I lucked out in that I started a band with (what I didn't know at the time were) a bunch of LOST fans; we've moved our Thursday practice to my house at 5 pm, then we'll all watch it here together on my roommate's gargantuan tv.

I turned the back of a stop sign I had in the basement into a Dharma symbol with a bass clef in the middle. BASS STATION.

Oh, half the people in my band are big LOST fans, too. But there's also six of us in the band, so scheduling is a nightmare, and I don't think anyone is inclined to skip our usual Wednesday practice just to watch last season's finale. I am excited that the show is on Thursdays now, though, so I can watch it on TV instead of online.

xp, We have been toying around with the idea of making band t-shirts using the Dharma symbol and our logo in the middle.

a Dharma symbol with a bass clef

pix plz

this pop up info thing is the most annoying shit ever

Yeah, I grew to hate it very quickly.

reunited at last...

and on this island...

there's no better way...

for mother and daughter to reunite...

...than by tying up the adoptive father.

There's a party at the beach...

...and Hurley brought the beer.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e4/Elbowdrop.jpg/200px-Elbowdrop.jpg

"Every single person on this island will die" - LOST SERIES FOUR THREAD

New thread time I think, seeing as we're likely to get serious posting mileage out of the fourth season.