Doctor who has lost his ways or they seriously need new scriptwriters (Contains Speculation, Spoilers, Space Crabs)

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The Latest series of Doctor who is utter crap. Rose needs to be electrocuted, THe doctor needs rewiring. The scriptwriters need a firing squad. I mean its just so fucking poor quality, No real elements of SCi Fi, and whoever said the doctor lived on earth? the episodes are boring predictable and dull, Give me Talons or City of Death any day. The last series was great, the last doctor was interesting and a quality actor, rose was tolerable. Now she seems a cardboard cut out version of her previous, already verging on the vapid, self. Get the writers to concentrate on some otherworldy content, I am sick of this pissy empathy crap. The doctors manic ways are cool, but he diverts to much into this soppy sentimentalist. It could have been so good and dark, but it turns out to be a light and fluffy hit and miss series.

― gimli (orc11), Monday, 25 September 2006 00:52 (nineteen years ago)

omg. this is the only telly i never miss. i love it!

― gem (trisk), Monday, 25 September 2006 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

I totally thought this was going to be a thread about a wayward doctor the poster had who had really horrible handwriting and needed someone new to write prescriptions for them. Seriously.

― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Monday, 25 September 2006 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

I thought I had started this thread drunk, and just forgotten about it.

I watched Warriors Of The Deep yesterday, and even it was better than anything in "Series 2".

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 25 September 2006 08:04 (nineteen years ago)

Girl in the Fireplace and Love & Monsters were both great, and I enjoyed the Cybermen two-parter in a cheesy action movie kind of a way.

― chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Monday, 25 September 2006 12:18 (nineteen years ago)

Love & Monsters would be a suitable winner for WORST WHO EVER except it was outdone a couple of weeks later by Fear Her.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 25 September 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

What do you mean, "even it"??? "Warriors Of The Deep" is flat-out awesome! That whole season is awesome! (The gag in "Frontios" about Tegan being a malfunctioning robot = genius A++)

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Monday, 25 September 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

I mean even because it has the PANTOMIME HORSE OF DOOM, and my new favourite line - "Is the (horrible item of death and destruction ready?" < silurian looks in box > "Yes."

Plus a couple of the new Sea Devils have their heads on sideways at one point, the polystyrene doors, the drowning sequence, MISSILE COMMAND...

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 25 September 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

The HORSE OF DOOM looks drunk, yeah, but the whole episode really revolves around Turlough attempting to leave people to their grizzly fates.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Monday, 25 September 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

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Maybe they need you onboard as director. Alan Pillay as Doctor, Kate Bush as assistant.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 25 September 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

'Love And Monsters' is the 'Rudebox' of Doctor Who stories.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 25 September 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

(hahaha WOTD would be even better if bears kept jumping out at people, wtf typo)

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Monday, 25 September 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

Ingid Pitt would just do really crap karate on them.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 25 September 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

I'd totally forgotten that I never really liked Dr Who that much, until I saw an episode recently.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 25 September 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously aldo, you are just reminding me of exactly how much I love this story. Its unbelievably amateurish execution is completely offset by the full-scale brutality of the plot; I don't think anyone in the supporting cast survives the story's ending (except maybe the heroic younger dude from the base?) and that last shot completely drops the hammer on you after much of the nonsense (like the aforementioned karate, roffle roffle).

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Monday, 25 September 2006 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

It's certainly representative of all of the Eric Saward era in that respect. As with all that series, the stories are uniformly excellent but let down by the production values. The base just doesn't look anything like Johnny Byrne must have envisaged it.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 25 September 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

Resurrection of the Daleks is not excellent.

I think Dan is more right about WOTD, the pantomime horse didn't look as bad as it had been built up to be.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 25 September 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

I remember really digging WOTD when it first aired, I must've been eight or something.

― chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Monday, 25 September 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

Just looked it up, I was six.

― chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Monday, 25 September 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

Resurrection of the Daleks WAS awesome! So much death! "It's not FUN anymore!!!" Most wrenching companion exit ever!

I think it's kind of hilarious that TURLOUGH is the Davison companion whose story arc had the happiest ending.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Monday, 25 September 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

Nyssa was delighted with her leper work!

The last bit of RotD is pretty good but it doesn't make up for the total nonsense of the first 3 episodes (OK, 1.5 episodes)

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 25 September 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

I will admit I haven't seen ResotD in something like 23 years so nostalgia might be making me think it was better than it actually was.

Also, becoming king >>>>> frolicking with lepers.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Monday, 25 September 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

Rodney Bewes is pretty great throughout it.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 25 September 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

Resurrection of the Daleks WAS awesome!

they should have just let leslie grantham loose with his webcam, that would have sorted them daleks out

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Monday, 25 September 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

Which big veteran British TV actors/actresses to appear in new Who then RTD?

"Ah durn't really nurrr!"

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 28 September 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

and 'Lady Thaw'? OH NOES, DYS 'ICE WARRIOR' BASED PUNS A GO GO

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 28 September 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

From RTD interview:

People will say, 'Why doesn't he visit alien planets more often?'" he said. "But that's because they are expensive. They're hugely expensive."

Davies also told Doctor Who magazine that these episodes gained the lowest viewing figures of the series.

"The programmes that do show alien planets are not prime-time programmes," he said.

"Star Trek and Stargate are subscription-based programmes for a dedicated audience."

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Thursday, 28 September 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

Davies also told Doctor Who magazine that these episodes gained the lowest viewing figures of the series.

largely because of the World Cup no? it's a ridiculous excuse. does he really think the majority of people who watch Doctor Who (people well aware of the original show and it's concepts) think "tonight's story....alien planet? oooooooooh naaaaaaaaah"

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 28 September 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

honestly though unless they can get the budget to do alien planets convincingly, it's only going to add to the perception that dr. who = cheap looking rubbish

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 28 September 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

big stupid CGI devil vs painting a quarry

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 28 September 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

plus using the 'lots of planets have a north' logic they can always contend that many life-supporting planets out there would resemble Earth. they don't have to be bizarre alternative realms - although if they were to do it they'd be wise to avoid the lazy cliche of mentioning the same planet as having the same terrain/environment/climate the world over.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 28 September 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

I'm totally fed up with so many stories being set in London. GO TO SOME PLANETS!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 28 September 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

ha go to london! bloody bbc wales

― The Real DG (D to thee G), Thursday, 28 September 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

i bet even the Ice Warriors one will be set in London

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 28 September 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

The main stories are def set in London all the time so Stevem is probably right. How long til the audiences drop because everyone gets fed up with the london stories?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 28 September 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

if the stories are good enough, just having a scene where Tennant explains the TARDIS is fucked and can only move through time but not space (hence stuck in the capital), might placate the furious whovian masses

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 28 September 2006 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

Nah everyone would just say that was a shit excuse!
If Tennant was allowed to speak in his normal accent it might be a bit better too. Ecclestones accent hardly hurt viewing figures so why Tennant wasn't allowed to use his is beyond me. He's not exactly Rab C Nesbitt.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 28 September 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

at least it would be more understandable than 'oh we keep going to London, but refer to crazy old planets like Woman Wept(!) now and then just to annoy you'

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 29 September 2006 08:39 (nineteen years ago)

i heart RotD for its utter bonkersness and "him off the telly"ness. i have said this before. very few of the recent 2 series are as bad as ppl say (tho there ARE some stinkers) in that they are consistently better than re-watching old stuff. fans saying grr i'd rather watch Warriors of the Deep, or Seeds of Doom should be beaten with sticks.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 29 September 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

Stories are surely set in London so that Rose/Mickey had a link to Earth and to places they are familiar with and it anchors them (and hence the viewer) in the storyline - weird things happen to normal people in a familiar place. Martha is going to have a family too, so I can't see it changing any time soon.

(though the Torchwood Estate was in Scotland and Boomtown was in Cardiff and the Girl in the Fireplace was in France, so it's not all London for the Earth-based ones, y'know)

Why would Tennant speaking in his West of Scotland accent make it any better? I think the consensus upthread was that his generic English accent was OK, and his accent is not even remotely instrinsic to the plot.

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 29 September 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno Alan it really does depend on the old stuff. I thought that too until I started watching some old ones again recently.

New Series 1 - better than all but the very very best old ones.
New Series 2 - on a level with most of the good old ones, better in places, worse in places.

The main difference between NS2 and the old stuff is conciseness, and because acting fashions have changed in the last 20 years you get more naturalistic acting now, but not necessarily better acting.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 29 September 2006 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

I totally thought this was going to be a thread about a wayward doctor the poster had who had really horrible handwriting and needed someone new to write prescriptions for them. Seriously.

It reads like a cryptic crossword clue.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 29 September 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

Oh let's not forget they even made it as far as NORWAY for that final episode too.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 29 September 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

Norway, looking suspiciously like pembrokeshire on a wet afternoon with the saturation turned down

― Ed (dali), Friday, 29 September 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

i maintain that lots of planets must look like pembrokeshire on a wet afternoon with the stauration turned down.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 29 September 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

Does the original poster want the Doctor to visit middle earth?

― GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Friday, 29 September 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

All alien planets looking like pembrokeshire on a wet afternoon with the stauration turned down vs all alien planets looking like a quarry somewhere near Leicester.

― chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

vs all space stations looking like an NHS trust reception area with chrome decals

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

Or all planets looking like a forest in Vancouver. I'm looking at you, Sci-Fi channel.

― GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Or medieval Europe looking like Southern Califonia. I'm looking at you, classical era Hollywood.

― chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Friday, 29 September 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

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can't go wrong with space crabs. just watching the crab migration docu on BBC 2 saturday evening (which they seem to show every other week now) is creepy fun enough (except when they were getting crushed by big trucks that was genuine ;_;)

― vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Could we be warned in the title when a Doctor Who thread is going to degenerate into "I looked up the future on the internet" spackishness?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

on what planet does experience not warn you of this?

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

The Lost planet:) or any other TV show, it seems to be only Doctor Who where the fervent fans are the ones most intent of sucking any surprise out of 'their' show.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Question: which companion has had the best introduction to the Daleks?

― vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

"new companion, you are about to meet a villainous crustacean last seen in the Troughton era!"

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

Only about 3 ppl on the whole of ILX knew who the Macra are anyway! Their glorious advent is about as much of a spoiler as trailing the cat people from the last series!

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

The Macra look amazing:
iwww.bbc.co.uk/.../monsters1/images/340/macra.jpg

I love pictures of terrifying monsters standing in front of rubbish suburban houses.

― chap (chap), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry:

ihttp://www.bbc.co.uk/.../monsters1/images/340/macra.jpg

― chap (chap), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

No, those dots need to be replaced with something else (and i http don't work anyway!)!

― Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

Space Crustacean:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/254393/macra.jpg

― Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

ihttp usually works fine for me, even since everyone else has been saying it doesn't!

― chap (chap), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

The Doctor settles down to lead a normal life in a boarding school

Er... eh?

― DavidM* (unreal), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

It's a boarding school for cosmic invertabrates.

― chap (chap), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's like Superman II except he gives up being a timelord. And it's probably not so he can have sex with Lois Lane.

― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

Im so chuffed the master will be back in the new series. Dunno the guy from life of mars who is playing him though.

Which one of Life on Mars dudes would this be? John Simm looks about twelve. Philip Glenister is teh fucking MAN and I love him.

*googles* oh, it is John Simm. He's a terrific actor, but I can't kind of get past the fact that he looks about twelve.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

Bernard Sumner as The Master? No, no, no, no, wrong.

http://www.cerysmaticfactory.info/images/partypeopletimeout2.jpg

― Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

I like John Simm, but he doesn't strike me as Master material.

I just ordered the Pertwee box from Amazon :)

― onimo (onimo), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2001320029-2007040780,00.html

x-posts

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

Enough with all of this Master baiting.

― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

FFS, whoever wrote that article doesn't even know what the Chameleon Circuit does!

― Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

Awww, I am the only person in the world who does not hate Adric?

Yes. (Sorry! But it's kind of true.)

Best introduction to the Daleks is either Rose or Ian/Barbara/Susan.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

Dan brings the truth.

The writer of the Sun article above also cannot count his Masters, unless someone else plays the Master and Simm is the regeneration. There's only been 5 previous actors (Delgado, Pratt, Beevers, Ainley and Roberts).

Anyway, tonight I have been watching Planet Of The Spiders. It's very good in places. The spiders are a bit crap by today's SFX standards, and there are roffles to be had when the Welsh one gets really excited and turns into Nostradamus off TMWRNJ, but the plot hangs together pretty well.

― I don't know whether to play the trumpet, read a book or be a lesbian. (aldo_cow, Monday, 5 February 2007 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

I had a dream last night that the new Doctor was Alan Carr. Everyone was going on about how wicked he was going to be, and I was the only person in the whole world who seemed to realise what an appalling idea it was. Haha, my dreams are so nerdy.

― chap, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

Is this based on the episode of the Friday Night Project that David Tennant was on? I hated every second of that programme.

― accentmonkey, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

No it wasn't actually, I don't watch the Friday Night project because it makes me want to kill things.

― chap, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

I think Alan Carr may be my least favourite person on telly right now.

― ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

You say that like Jimmy Carr and Justin Lee Collins aren't on telly right now.

― onimo, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

The sad thing is that I've met Jimmy Carr in the real world on several occasions and he is a very nice man. I just don't like him on telly. Nor do I like his stand-up.

I do not want to ever meet Justin Lee Collins, because I dislike him so much on telly that if I found out he wasn't actually repellant I would be flummoxed.

― accentmonkey, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

I don't hate Jimmy Carr. I would be able to tolerate Justin Lee Collins for approximately ten seconds longer than I would Alan Carr, but it's a close run thing. Alan Carr = still more annoying.

― ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

Alan Carr does have that horrible cringey thing that he does which just makes you want to hit him.

― accentmonkey, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

"Girl in the Fireplace" just made me cry again. And now I have to take a overdose.

― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 25 March 2007 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

The Parting of the Ways made my son cry yesterday. I think that's4 eps of RTD era Who that make him cry.

(hehe I mistyped that as RTD era Who tat)

― onimo, Sunday, 25 March 2007 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

Who dat?

― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 25 March 2007 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

Spoilers!

― ailsa, Sunday, 25 March 2007 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

I wish RTD would leave.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Sunday, 25 March 2007 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

Recently I have mostly been wasting my life with old Hartnell eps on Youtube. The serials tend to be too long and thus flabbily plotted, but the direction and performances are pretty good, and the effects are often really quite impressive for the time and budget (especially the first view of the Dalek city). I like how the first Doctor was basically a selfish hypocritical arsehole. I don't like Ian though, he's a dick and he's always fondling the ladies.

― chap, Sunday, 25 March 2007 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

Fucking hell, Love and Monsters is awsome. I hope the new none-Doctor episode is any where near as good.

― DavidM, Sunday, 25 March 2007 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

omg i absolutely had not realised doctor who is starting THIS SATURDAY! omg omg. that's what you get for not watching telly. i am not going to be in, i will be in the forest :/ interview with freema agyeman here. sorry if it was already linked to, i haven't read the end of this thread.

― emsk, Thursday, 29 March 2007 08:01 (nineteen years ago)

Why do we keep using the 'Doctor Who is shit' thread rather than the 'Squee! Doctor Who is great!' thread?

― Matt DC, Thursday, 29 March 2007 08:04 (nineteen years ago)

there should probably be a new thread for the new series (i'm not doing it, i got to go to work like NOW, but please can it have "squee!" in the title?).

― emsk, Thursday, 29 March 2007 08:06 (nineteen years ago)

Yay, Jessica Stevenson is in this series! Good to see her in something good after that horrible sitcom that wasted her talents.

― Stew, Thursday, 29 March 2007 09:18 (nineteen years ago)

God Jessica Stevenson would make the best companion ever.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 29 March 2007 09:19 (nineteen years ago)

But only if she played badass kung-fu Daisy from the second series of Spaced.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 29 March 2007 09:21 (nineteen years ago)

"Good to see her in something good after that horrible sitcom that wasted her talents.

Stew on Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:18 PM (Yesterday)"

i think 'spaced' bears up pretty well.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/a/accordingtobex_999050107.shtml

― Alan, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

There...were...just...er...rhinos...er...in...New...Rock...boots...on...my...telly....

Er...

― peteR, Saturday, 31 March 2007 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

...which have melted my brane, obv. Go see other thread.

― peteR, Saturday, 31 March 2007 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

Can we keep this on the other thread?

― Matt DC, Saturday, 31 March 2007 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

(I'll unlock this later, just keeping it tidy for now)

― Matt DC, Saturday, 31 March 2007 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

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