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If you were going to commit suicide in the next year (give or take, these things would probably vary) and you were not able to get a gun (AKA possibly easy means), how would you commit suicide? Methods? Original ideas? I am curious.

― kimera, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

1. hanging. I know the place and the time I would do this. easy.

2. drugs. sedatives or tylenol would be easy. the latter sucks and is painful but is defintely doable.

3. driving a car at 100+ mph into a freeway pylon. defintely last choice. would take hanging 100 times over this.

yes i think about this often and always have an exit planned out.

― Samantha, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

oh, forgot wrist slitting with razor. for me this would be more of a desparate cry for help as its really not my style but i have sincerely considered it and wouldn't rule it out.

Methods I have tried: slitting wrists with knife (wanted to be stopped); sedatives with whiskey (same); dehydration and starvation (horrible, horrible means. don't know what i was thinking); jumping off of tall structure (stopped myself by calling hotline).

― Samantha, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Wow, you have quite the plan. Wrist slitting isn't as painful as one would think, but still, I wouldn't make it my first choice. I don't know about hanging either, you're up there for at least a few minutes before you die...you wouldn't mind? I would want to do it the old fashion way where you snap your neck before you strangle yourself, were you talking about that method instead? You're right about the tylenol though, too painful and more than 86% of the time it doesn't work. There's no guarantee with tall buildings either. But these are all good examples of how easy it is. The car one I like though, other than the fact that I love my car too much for that.

― kimera, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

i would defintely try to plan for neck-snapping when hanging. this is the only easy method i see besides gun-in-mouth.

as far as jumping. when i was seriously planning this i was casing the huge football stadium at my college. i planned on jumping down into the path of an oncoming bus. i went so far as standing on the edge of the uppermost seating in the stadium, where the lights are. at the time they let people into the seats when band practice was going on. after I went to crisis counseling though i think they tightened up security. the oncoming bus part was key.

― Samantha, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Kimera, you just had to start this thread..... nevermind. My suicide attempts involve shutting my eyes tight and praying that I vanish. A few days later I usually feel thankful that nothing happened.

― Honda, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Of course I had to have started this thread, given the times and whatnot. As far as my personal modes of suicide go, sobbing and taking long long baths are involved. Usually while submersed in semi-tepid clear (AKA no bubbles) water, I get the feeling that I am already dead. I usually hold my breath underwater for long periods of time..but this usually isn't a good method since I swim for a team.

glowgurl79 - Yes, the bus was certainly key. You like to go the more painful ways it seems, but that's honourable and I give you credit. Several students have committed suicide at my school, but yours would certainly be the most infamous.

― kimera, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Gosh, this thread makes me feel queasy. And worried.

*sighs*

I've never, ever once contemplated it. I just can't. I accept my own mortality, natch, but I don't want to leave this life early.

I am not and cannot be and will not be a counselor, I'm not that kind of person, I'm just a nutty music obsessive. But...oh, I can't say it, I can't lecture people about what to do and what they decide. But is it flippant to say that since suicide means not having the opportunity to see a beautiful sunset again, to have your favorite dish in the world again, to hear that one song you adore again, that these among so many others are reasons to live, so you can enjoy these things and so many others?

Is that flippant? Is that just well-meaning codswallop on my part? I don't know. Can somebody tell me that much, at least? Am I that naive?

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Forcing carton after carton of Whoppers down my neck until... KABOOM (problem: the taste of the Whoppers would make me think long and seriously about the wisdom of my plan) I hope - and know - that you two have some things in your life even bettah than Whoppers to make you reconsider the wisdom of such a thing - your writing and personality if nothing else are the two things I know of. If you're thinking about this - to the extent of dispassionately discussing statistics and methods on a public discussion board - anthony's advice from the last thread about this is URGENT and KEY: PLEASE PLEASE SEE A DOCTOR.

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

No, you're not naive Ned. In fact, I like how you disagree with this. You're the type of person I admire through all these hardtimes. You're right about the small things too, it's what keeps me alive. I think of all the good times I have ahead, all the food I have yet to explore (I am a food-obsessed female...I don't eat necessarily, but I have over 300 pictures of food on my computer...). Thank you though, you're no fool.

― kimera, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Tracer - No, I'm not seriously thinking about this now, however I am forever curious about it. Heh, your Whoppers idea is wonderful. If you're a woman it won't kill you, it'll do the exactly opposite actually. Chocolate is an anti-depressant (though for women only...I do not know why...probably some deal with hormones or something). Psychiatrists are advisable, my friend has one already, though not for this.

― kimera, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

have you considered the person/people who find your body???? christ, hanging yourself and slittling your wrists, think of the people finding you like that, PLEASE.

― elizabeth anne marjorie, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I saw a dead squirrel on the sidewalk today while walking back from class. Things haven't been the most stable for me lately so I got disturbed as fuck about it. It wasn't roadkill or anything... perfectly intact like a piece of taxidermy. I wondered "Why isn't that squirrel running up a tree? Why does is just lie there?".... its deadness struck me cold. It hurt. I wanted it to scurry around and climb up a tree. For a moment, something normally trivial and mundane became more important than anything. I started to imagine cold bodies, a pet, a friend, a relative and it all felt very wrong. I don't really know what I'm saying..... People say I'm dark and cynical and suicidal often, but in front of this dead creature, living and existing mattered more than anything.

― Honda, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Yes, I have always wondered who would find me, if I were ever pushed that far. Women have a tendency to commit suicide in a way that preserves their bodies. I don't know how I know all these random suicide related facts, but they're around.

My cousin's cousin committed suicide in his garage. He hung himself. He had been diagnosed with a terminal illness. He was 21. I think it was his parents who found him. It's sad yes, but I don't think they were surprised. It runs in the family (the illness, not the suicide). I am sorry if I have offended anyone or horrified anyone by starting this thread. It was a simple thought that crossed my mind earlier. Things like this come across during hard times, as one would expect.

In any case a few years back I was thinking of bringing the Yellow Ribbon Suicide Prevention Association to my school. It never worked out because I couldn't imagine myself trying to help someone who was that passionate about it.

Once again, I am sorry if these questions sound so naive, so impersonal towards these things. I know they're serious, I know they're painful. It's a loss of faith in certain usually stable things that tips me off.

― kimera, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

in which case u should have started this fred off by saying that insted of trying to be a sicko smartarse.

― XStatic Peace, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

kimera it is ok to ask these questions in whatever way you (or anyone else) feel is right. there is no 'right' way of asking about these things.

i have never entertained any thoughts like this myself, but people close to me have in the past been in this vicinity. i cannot claim to be useful to anyone in this, i have tried my best whenever anyone i have known has even thought of such things.

the worst of all these things was a boy i only knew slightly when i was about 17. he had a crossbow, and the police surrounded the house when neighbours saw it through the window. the police thought he had hostages and the resulting pressure freaked this boy out even further, presumably tipping his hand. a crossbow through the head is not a nice way to go. i bring this up, not from ghoulishness, but really these things can get out of hand once started or entertained. would he have gone through with it if the police hadn't showed? who can say, but such an ostentatious method leaves me to believe he may not have gone through with it

― gareth, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I used to think that slitting my wrists, and having a hot bath, because I had read many years ago that it was not painful. Gas could provoke an explosion with unwanted victims, how civil of me, and jumping from a window is awfully public, like an exhibition.

But then I had a very stupid accident washing up and cracking a salad bowl. As a result, I got three or four stitches in my right wrist and a blood transfusion. And the loss of blood on the way to hospital was indeed felt, yet not painful, but dreadful, I hardly could move the arm when we got there, like if the 'elan' was abandoning my body. Perhaps it was dreadful because I did not want to die at all...

― Arantxa, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Suicide has it's own self-sustaining logic. It's difficult for those around a suicidal person to penetrate that logic. People who try to argue with the suicidal are unwittingly stepping into a circle in which every argument they have has a valid counterargument. I've been on both sides of the situation, and I'll tell you - sometimes the questions they're asking -or the answers, maybe- are not all that 'wrong'. You could have nothing whatsoever out of place in your life and be suicidal, and ten years later you could be up the creek and still feel joy in your heart. The sad thing is, you can't make someone feel the life inside again. I recommend the book "The Savage God". We don't treat suicides like rational people, we treat them like 'ill' people. Very often, it's the society that's ill.

― Cliff Jump, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Lay down in front of a very fast-moving, heavy truck.

― Kodanshi, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Pills. Pills are easiest, don't make you look terrible, right ones won't cause much pain, no prep necessary, and half the time you won't get stopped early because, unlike say wrist slitting, people won't notice there's something wrong right away, unless your body starts rejecting hardcore and you vomit on yourself in your sleep or something. I used to have piles of pills, piles, but I gave them all away in a happy mood.

― Ally, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I really hate this thread.

― fritz, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Hey yeah, so do I!

― Sarah, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

The Savage God was an extremely good book though. And that's the last time I'm looking at this thread.

― Sarah, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

As for hanging, if your neck doesn't break, you are going to be in for some serious hurt.

― bnw, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I keep looking at this sodding thread by mistake. Jesus.

― N., Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Yes, please remember that any of these supposedly ideal methods could leave you brain-damaged and disabled.

― fritz, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

and please remember your brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers and friends who will have to live on after you and the hole in their lives you would leave.

― , Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I have known quite a few who have commited suicide, and I hope you can grasp my view on this subject. The families are definately put through hell! Comitting suicide is the coward's way out. You are taking a life that is not yours and it is as murder..

― Gale Deslongchamps, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

telling people something is not theirs to take will ALWAYS make them want to take it.

― ethan, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

i do not want to censor but i have had freinds who have hung themselves . this may be insesntive at best

― anthony, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

No more insensitive than any other threads that have popped up on this board, I think.

― Ally, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I used to have piles of pills, piles...

I do like this phrase, tho.

― Sean, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

This humor is therapeutic and cathartic for some people. When you say suicide is in poor taste or offensive as a topic, you just help to push it further in the closet. What often pushes people over the edge is the feeling that they are alone in their pain.

― R. Cynic, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

That's kind of what I said on Ethan's meta-thread...

― Ally, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

The thought of brain damage and immense pain if the method fails always keeps me from actually going through. But jumping or a gun would be easy and pretty painless. Off topic but I am dreading going on vacation with my parents over spring break with all the fucking cuts on my shoulder..

― kevin enas, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

The Church of Euthanasia has a recommended method that seems pretty logical.

― Kris, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

what a goofy way to die!

― ethan, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Isn't suicide redundant nowadays? That's what changed my mind.

― Kerry, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

So you kill yourself AND have a funny voice, that's pretty key I think.

― Ally, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Gale, I apologise if this doubly offends you, but "COWARD'S WAY OUT"??? FUCK YOU.

― Kodanshi, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Shhh, just think about the helium. Nice thoughts abound one and all.

― ALly, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

BTW, all those details stem from days when I was truly sucicidal. I am no longer this way.

― Samantha, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'm glad Samantha! I'm proud of you!

― Gale Deslongchamps, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

sorry kodanshi but i sort of agree with gale: my best friend at college and his g/f killed themselves on the same day in 1987, he jumped into the thames and she threw herself off a high building in liverpool. at the time i was just stunned and miserable, as were all who knew him, but as time went past — 18 yrs now — the feeling that mainly stayed is how ANGRY i am with him... the nice stuff faded, in other words — or at last got absorbed: but that final act can't be, because none of the questions can ever be answered

it's like the ultimate troll saying to everyone s/he knows YOU ARE ALL JUST RUBBISH AND I PROVE IT THUS....

my friend *was* actually a bit gothy, now i think of it, but so what? — i wish he'd been a lot MORE gothy, because then we could have talked about it: not that i'd have had much to say, except maybe to make him laugh at himself and how he was being. he froze me out by keeping EVERYTHING to himself and now i can't forgive him

― mark s, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

18 yrs in mark s mentalist counting = 15 in real counting

― mark s, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

To be honest, I've never met a suicidal goth. Ever. Or even a particularly miserable one at that. Catharsis perhaps?

― DG, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

The punks I've known have been far more doom-ridden and angsty than the goths I've known.

― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I've met some "perky goths." They tend to like purple more than black.

― bnw, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I don't think there is anything cowardly about suicide. I think that people who think it is selfish are the truly selfish ones. How arrogant, to claim your grief over someone's death more important than their grief over their life.

I think everyone I know who has suicided did it by shooting themselves, except for one guy who jumped off a cliff. I've known lots of attempted suicides with pills, hanging and wrist slitting. I suspect a fair few overdoses could have been a bit suicidal too.

If I wanted to die I'd be tossed up between wanting a way that was like falling asleep but never waking up and something with a lot of blood. I'd like there to be lots of blood but not too much pain. I'm a crap driver though so I'll probably die unwillingly in a nasty, painful car accident.

― toraneko, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

It doesn't even make sense to think of suicide, in many cases, as cowardly or selfish, as so many are due to mental illness like depression. Perhaps it would make sense to even think about talking this way if a suicide was in good mental health (er aside from the suicide), or thought they had some kind of existential motivation or something. But considering the reasons people DO suicide...

― Josh, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

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new answers

― Josh, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

This thread is mildly saddening. Thus far, my own life has been asymptotal to suicide - I know I've contemplated it, once or twice. The only two real incidences are one my favourite teacher told us about her friend whom she met on her way to her hanging tree. She was going one way, her friend the other. And that saddens.

And mark s' post uppage, which is probly bout the seriousest thing I've ever read from him on these pages - thus --> its impact. Saddening.

Not really adding anything to the theoretical/moral debate, just personal 'experience' as usual - sorry.

Having done Forensic Medicine last year (CSI - eat yr hrt out) I have seen many suicide victim stills. The worst was the one on Cadaveric Spasm. Man, holding knife a foot from his stomach, he's stabbed himself once, mortally killed instantly and instant Cadaveric Spasm has occurred and he's fixated in the one position.

Pan out and the bathroom gasps into clear view: a thin film of red lines the walls, from the ledge of the bath half way up the wall, dots and exclamations of blood. Blood-seeped bath water. It is very saddening. And gruesome. My shillings.

New answers, indeed. Tsk tsk. ;)

― david h(owie), Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

search: "don't try suicide" by queen. destroy: M*A*S*H theme.

― queenoftheharpies, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

5 years pass...

For the Suicides
in memory: J & G & J

If we recall your voices
As softer now, it's only
That they must have drifted back

A long way to have reached us
Here, and upon such a wind
As crosses the high passes.

Nor does the blue of your eyes
(Remembered) cast much light on
The page ripped from the tablet.

* * *

Once there in the labyrinth,
Your were safe from your reasons.
We stand, now, at the threshold,

Peering in, but the passage,
For us, remains obscure; the
Corridors are still bloody.

* * *

What you meant to prove you have
Proved: we did not care for you
Nearly enough. Meanwhile the

Bay was preparing herself
To receive you, the for once
Wholly adequate female

To your dark inclinations;
Under your care the pistol
Was slowly learning to flower

In the desired explosion,
Disturbing the careful part
And the briefly recovered

Fixed smile of a forgotten
Triumph; deep within the black
Forest of childhood that tree

Was already rising which,
With the length of your body,
Would cast the double shadow.

* * *

The masks by which we knew you
Have been torn from you. Even
Those mirrors, to which always

You must have turned to confide,
Cannot have recognized you,
Stripped, as you were, finally.

At the end of your shadow
There sat another, waiting,
Whose back was always to us.

* * *

When the last door had been closed,
You watched, inwardly raging,
For the first glimpse of your selves
Approaching, jangling their keys.

Musicians of the black keys,
At last you compose yourselves.
We hear the music raging
Under the lids we have closed.

-Donald Justice

― J0hn D., Tuesday, 4 March 2008 06:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

what are you, like emo gershy?

― sanskrit, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 01:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

Is there a universe where that is considered a good poem, and if so how do we destroy it?

I really like Ned's first post on this thread, but more because it's so Ned, not so much out of agreement with it.

― Casuistry, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 02:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

It is very me, isn't it. The sentiment remains the same, though I'd express it differently now.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 02:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

the best solution for those worried about their impact on the environment is to kill themselves

― jaxon, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 02:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sitting with my back to the street on top of a 75-story building, revolver placed firmly in mouth.

― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 03:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

Is there a universe where that is considered a good poem, and if so how do we destroy it?

i don't think it's bad at all, and donald justice was rather high regarded, so I think you'd have to destroy THIS universe, unfortunately

― akm, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 18:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ah, Love! Could you and I with Fate conspire
To grasp this sorry Scheme of Things entire,
Would we not shatter it to bits - and then
Re-mould it nearer to the Heart's Desire!

(for Casuistry)

― Aimless, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 18:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

Is there a universe where that is considered a good poem, and if so how do we destroy it?

you smug piece of shit

― bug, Sunday, 9 March 2008 12:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

RIP big man

― Dom Passantino, Sunday, 9 March 2008 12:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm with Ned here, but if I had no firearm access and had to off myself, I'd take a massive heroin OD.

― libcrypt, Sunday, 9 March 2008 14:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

wow, Casuistry. I posted a poem that's incredibly moving to me, one by universally respected American poet only recently deceased, and you zinged it. Fuck you, die slow.

― J0hn D., Sunday, 9 March 2008 15:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

― The Reverend, Sunday, 9 March 2008 15:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

the collateral damage of criticism

― omar little, Sunday, 9 March 2008 18:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

how has dorothy parker not been quoted on this thread?

― Gukbe, Sunday, 9 March 2008 18:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

Guns aren't lawful, nooses give, gas smells awful, you might as well live?

― kate78, Sunday, 9 March 2008 18:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

I had a dream that the Suicide thread was resurrected! ILM wins.

― Bimble, Sunday, 9 March 2008 19:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwQwqxgsybw

― gershy, Sunday, 9 March 2008 19:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

J0hn, whatever sadness you've felt that led you to post that -- I (obviously, I should hope) was not trying to zing that.

But sure, de gustibus non disputandum and all that, so I should have just let it pass.

But I'll remember that J0hn thinks that a "universally respected" poet had damn well better stay "universally respected".

(Also, of course, Donald Justice was not in any way "universally respected". Like most poets, he was "generally ignored". I don't hang out with the sorts of poets who would consider him to have been on the map of the world of poetry -- not because they're bad people, just because that's not the world of poetry that I live in. And what little I've seen about him didn't seem especially interested or engaged, but that's all I can go on.)

― Casuistry, Sunday, 9 March 2008 19:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

according to this INFOGRAPHIC there will be more than twice as many suicides as homicides in the US this year.

Intially I thought "That's prepostourous!", but then i realised i knew 2 people who had committed suicide but i don't know anyone who has been murdered.

― Slumpman, Sunday, 17 August 2008 23:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

Other things that struck me as odd:

More deaths from lightning than fireworks, spiders and sharks combined, challenging my view of a lightning strike as a rare, unlucky event.

Also, only 270 deaths a year from alcohol poisoning? What are all the alcoholics dying of?

― Slumpman, Sunday, 17 August 2008 23:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

What are all the alcoholics dying of?

liver disease, kidney failure, complications from diabetes, dui accidents, etc. etc.

alcohol poisoning is acute, alcoholism is chronic. only a fucking amateur would die of alcohol poisoning.

― chicago kevin, Sunday, 17 August 2008 23:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

that infographic is for men, not all people in the US

― harbl, Sunday, 17 August 2008 23:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

not trying to be a pedant or anything! but i would like to know the suicide:homicide ratio for women too, now.

― harbl, Sunday, 17 August 2008 23:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

More die from foreign object left behind during surgery than shark attack.

― libcrypt, Monday, 18 August 2008 06:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

as opposed to being the foreign object left in the shark, as it were.

― darraghmac, Monday, 18 August 2008 14:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

you actually made that joke

― Just got offed, Monday, 18 August 2008 14:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

when? oh.

― darraghmac, Monday, 18 August 2008 14:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

In 2004, the female suicide death rate among those aged 15 years and older was 5.7 per 100,000 females, compared to a rate of 22.4 per 100,000 males.

In countries like Australia, Canada and the US - about 3-4 men kill themselves as compared to 1 woman.

I can't find any homicide-victim rates that are divided by gender.

― Abbott, Monday, 18 August 2008 18:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

More men are raped then women if prison rape is counted :(

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, 18 August 2008 18:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

My old best friend from high school just TEXTED me about how he tried to commit suicide last Wednesday.

What's fucked up is that our best friend killed himself in high school, and he KNOWS how intensely sad that was for all of us, his family, his friends.

WHO THE FUCK TEXTS ABOUT THIS

― I f'd up the word rear (Z S), Saturday, 28 March 2009 05:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

I immediately call him, and he says "Now's not a good time, I'm about to go onstage", because I guess his band is about to play somewhere. I hate this. Every time with him, he's just drunk, but if I don't call him back or answer his call, I would never forgive myself if he went through with it.

― I f'd up the word rear (Z S), Saturday, 28 March 2009 05:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

What a thread for a Friday night.

If someone is going through with it, their call won't come at a time it could be answered. You won't be the only person called if there is still hope.

It isn't somebody else's fault. Not anybody that could do anythign about it.

― 10 out of 10 for the rich dry tatse (james k polk), Saturday, 28 March 2009 06:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

OTOH if he is bothering to call, generally it means he does want to be heard. Not that I'm saying you should blame yourself if you miss a certain opportunity, but it does matter. Then again, I hate drunks, so fuck it.

― Nhex, Saturday, 28 March 2009 06:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

If people are going to do it, they will call when it's too late (as in phone to say bye and hang up) or leave a note.

― not_goodwin, Saturday, 28 March 2009 06:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

Why the fuck are there so many people with emotional health problems and the like here? Not just this thread, but ILX in general. It's enough to make a person nervous.
― Josh

― velko, Saturday, 28 March 2009 06:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

I don't know. Why aren't there decent responses to people who are seriously depressed? Ever try calling a suicide hotline? They blow.

It just doesn't seem like (American) society is serious about people's health, mental or physical.

― u s steel, Saturday, 28 March 2009 10:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh you get that feeling too?

― tits akimbo (kenan), Saturday, 28 March 2009 10:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

As weird as American health care is in general, mental health is the red-headed stepchhild. Don't get me started. Just... don't.

― tits akimbo (kenan), Saturday, 28 March 2009 10:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

I don't think it's that much better here (in Belgium). The problem is that mental health is such a "vague" thing, difficult to diagnose, difficult to treat, and psychology is still regarded to many (here) as,well, not part of science. "Failed doctors" is what my friend calls'em. Actually many people here think it's better in the US (the way it's approached, not the health care, am I making myself clear?)

The whole "bc they called, means they're not gonna do it" is a crap line. Because you tend to... trivialize it all - well, they're not really serious about it. Do not consider it as though it's only a cry for help. Treat it seriously, as though they will do it.

What's fucked up is that our best friend killed himself in high school, and he KNOWS how intensely sad that was for all of us, his family, his friends.

So he has to keep living because you all felt crap? What about him? This line won't really work. He's in deep shit, depressed. I know you mean well, but you gotta stop thinking from your standpoint if you wanna get through him: he's in a world where he only sees himself (in a deeply shitty situation).

My old best friend from high school just TEXTED me about how he tried to commit suicide last Wednesday.

Would a pigeon have worked better? Text message is... easier. When I feel extremely shitty and want to express myself then I usually prefer to chat. Yes, CHAT. Because otherwise I start crying 'n' shit and I find it humiliating. Also, I can express myself better through the written/typed word. (haha -> Still, can't really write well though. hahah)

― the tip of the tongue taking a trip tralalala (stevienixed), Saturday, 28 March 2009 13:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

^^^^^^ very otm. less personal the medium, easier it is to say stuff.

― iatee, Saturday, 28 March 2009 19:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

There are so many problems when it comes to how mental health is regarded, though some of it is how much of an inexact science it is today, there's so many different treatments that will work for different people (in terms of medications, therapies). Despite there being a greater general awareness of it, there's still a huge stigma and shame about seeking help, which doesn't help since when you're suicidally depressed, you already don't want to.

― Nhex, Friday, 10 April 2009 04:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

Are you okay? If you need to talk, it's igotabeefpastry @ gmail dot com

― Veteran of the Psychic Wars (Abbott), Friday, 10 April 2009 04:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

you - anyone, I guess

I have had v good luck w/hotlines, btw.

― Veteran of the Psychic Wars (Abbott), Friday, 10 April 2009 04:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

I just want to sleep forever. Sleeping is the only thing I look forward to. At what point does one decide "I'm never going to get my shit together"?

― windjammer voyage (blank), Monday, 30 April 2012 09:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

dude you never decide that because it isn't true. I give this testimonial all the time but in 2008 I wanted death so bad I could taste it, it was all I thought about when I was awake, it was a big fucking surprise because I'd been out of the woods for years, I'm a senior citizen I didn't think I was going to see the please-let-me-just-not-wake-up station again ever and then there I was. four years & plenty of therapy later I am in better shape than I've ever been in and I would not have guessed, in a thousand years, all the turns things have taken for me since the last day I spent wandering from room to room unable to do anything but cry. you just do not know, empirically you cannot know because there's no such thing as the future except one that's limitless & infinite and a great number of the possibilities there are very pleasant indeed, that you will never get your shit together. that's just the most vivid of the infinite possibilities from your present perspective, which is clouded by feeling like shit

hang the fuck on blank imo

― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 30 April 2012 09:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^ co-signing, aero knows from what he speaks

― Aimless, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 02:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

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