Regarding Momus

Gah I can't believe I'm talking about this.

dude

dude

bitch

None of us at ILX are good enough to eat Momus's brain. Truth.

hes very good at saying stupid things in ways that seem interesting at first, unless you think about them.

You may not like Momus, but never forget the sacrifices he made for you:

I wasted five years debating people on a bulletinboard I've now left, when, really, if I'd just looked at them, their faces and their bodies, I would have concluded "these people have the negativity they do because they can't get laid. I'm wasting my time trying to change they way they think with reasoned argument".

dude had a somethingawful account too??

DISCLAIMER: did not say 'you're just jealous' but if that's your take-away from my earlier post, whatever. I'm not responsible for your emotions.

you just can't help yourself, can you?

"these people have the negativity they do because they can't get laid. I'm wasting my time trying to change they way they think with reasoned argument".

Hahaha. Momus! AFAICT people round here are gettin laid plenty. Though I'll give him "reasoned argument" since he didn't specify well/poorly/sincerely...

I guess I'm only assuming he means ILX there but whatever...

It is kind of beautiful how we all have a different one thing that really bugs us about Momus rhetoric! I guess he'd regard that as proof of a great many-splendoured victory over our simplistic thought processes or something.

Me? Oh, see the John Peel thread where he rails at Peel for, in addition to championing obscure arty music for decades, hosting a radio show reading letters about his listeners' lives, because NORMAL PEOPLE are not ARTISTS and are therefore ENEMIES OF ART, and championing their humdrum universes for an hour a week when you could be talking about ARTISTS is, like, symptomatic of the Great British Conspiracy against creative people, which in Momusworld does not include any of us or anybody who has ever had a job instead of Japanese girlfriends who put them up for free.

But I do miss the guy, as he did start some interesting debates in between clinging on to them to the point that they'd stopped being interesting and become infuriating.

momus = the college dorm philosopher "sophistry 101"/entertaining or even illuminating in small doses I guess but wearying after awhile

Is chaki getting laid more now?

I really miss the regular threads Momus would say something and Mark S and J0hn D would then run intellectual rings round him for ages.

I'm not sure whether I think his acknowledging and theorising of his inherent sexism is better or worse than the many posters who are misogynistic without acknowledging it, or even realising it. I think it's probably worse. And I'm not even going to get into the stupidity and extremely dubious racial shit behind the mindset that equates 'fancying Japanese girls' with 'fetishes'.

Music folks! How do you react on seeing your work in a sale?

The thread where Momus 'discovers' J0hnD's alias..

the most mystifying Momus behaviour imo was his "birthday Grinch" phase

Lookup the word 'contrarian'

not really finding any evidence here to disprove what either nick or suzy have already said

I think I just care much, much less about the personal worthiness or not of the people who type the words that end up on these pages. No doubt for the actual friends and family and acquaintances of all of us, personal worthiness is a concern. But not for me. What I respond to here is what's written - it's all an abstraction - and Momus was fun and engaging to talk to. I think he at least attempted - and often failed spectacularly - to be intellectually honest in his discussions, by which I mean the practice of assuming the strongest possible formulation of your opponent's position and then arguing against THAT. Most of what's on this thread has been kind of the opposite of that, and TBH when I think about what disappoints me about ILX this is #1

And I'm not even going to get into the stupidity and extremely dubious racial shit behind the mindset that equates 'fancying Japanese girls' with 'fetishes'.

this was a great thread all in itself

well yeah tracer if you're specifically coming from a position of not being bothered whether or not people hit women in the face and then criticise them for not liking it, I can see how you'd think Momus was OK

Thanks for proving my point.

Or rather, being an example of my point.

people hit women in the face and then criticise them for not liking it,

this is a total warping of the thing you quoted upthread, which went more like:
1. i hit a girl i was going out with in the face and in that second i knew i had crossed a line and she would hate me forever
2. ok she said she wasn't going to hate me but it was pretty obvious that she would
3. the time i hit her was the catalyst for a breakup in which the two of us were not a beau and a beloved but a bastard and a bitch
4. isn't it strange, how some of the closest people change

(xpost0

It's like L'Etranger only with more punching women in the face.

sorry if I was intellectually dishonest, I just find people's willingness to gloss over this kind of irritating and symptomatic of the weird free pass people seem to give this guy just for being a bit interesting

my feeling is that Momus' own account of the above is probably uh a little self-serving but I probably shouldn't prolong this argument

the weird free pass people seem to give this guy just for being a bit interesting

how is Dom btw?

karaoke obsessed, last I saw

Don't recall ever giving Dom a free pass, but hey, at least he only made jokes about hitting women, right?

I think he at least attempted - and often failed spectacularly - to be intellectually honest in his discussions

Like in Big Brother when someone's a complete cunt but still somehow gets kudos for at least being themselves and keeping it real

Can I just posit a theory that the hitting never happened?

That he had some sort of urge to do it, thinking about it and what the reaction of both people might be?

^^ pretty much what happened to peter sutcliffe.

I never took much notice of the geezer (Momus that is, not Sutcliffe), maybe he was just on different threads than me and maybe he'd done all his most irritating work before I showed up

xpost maybe, but without actually doing it?

I'll at least give Momus that it takes a very peculiar sort of asshat to be this controversial this long after leaving the board.

Oh there's few others who could manage that too

the weird free pass

I just don't consider it my job to be handing out or witholding passes on a messageboard.

I mean, if I had to sit up and take notice and give the cold shoulder to everyone here who seems like they'd be a bit creepy in their private lives then uh...

yeah tbh a large part of this is to do with me having heard the other party's account of the above; probably not really fair for me to get into arguments with people who are just going by the guy's annoying internet posts

Have yall heard "the Vaudevillian" off his Joemus record? It's fucking awesome!

momus was before my time here but one of the coolest old threads i've ever read was this one: Momus, judges

And I'm not even going to get into the stupidity and extremely dubious racial shit behind the mindset that equates 'fancying Japanese girls' with 'fetishes'.

this was a great thread all in itself

― U2 raped goat (darraghmac), Thursday, May 28, 2009 6:08 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i remember this but can't remember what it was called. link?

its just a movie dum dum

"i'm not a bitch, i'm just honest"

I don't recall any of Momus' anti-working class screeds - anyone got any examples?

― Wrinkles, I'll See You On the Other Side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:59 PM (Yesterday)

does anyone? i'm bored

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/imomus/ironhorse2.jpg

"birthday Grinch"

I want to know what this is bcz it sounds awesome.

The Birthday Grinch

The Carrey grinch was his grinch image of choice :O

he was a bit of a prick on the syd barrett RIP thread and I can't believe his post about what he enjoys doing with japanese women hasn't reappeared here it was hall of fame o_O

but he did defend metal box and the flowers of romance to the end so he wasn't all bad