― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― $#@!!!, Monday, 2 January 2006 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― I Am Sexless and I Am Foul (noodle vague), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― chap who would dare to work for the man (chap), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― I Am Sexless and I Am Foul (noodle vague), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― 43637@2356.net, Monday, 2 January 2006 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― I Am Sexless and I Am Foul (noodle vague), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link
I don't see much right-wing propaganda in Straight Story's family issues, just primal yearning. Sex often leads to nothing but trouble in any world, especially in the cinny.
James Ellroy? (not that I've read him)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 January 2006 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― I GUARONTEE ::cajun voice:: (Adrian Langston), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link
Lynch fumes: "People should be able to build what they want to build, when they want to build it, how they want to build it."
Says Powers of Lynch: "For all his dark, perverse imaginings, his social values are rooted in the sunlit credo of the American West: Don't tread on me. Nothing matters to him more than his freedom to do whatever he thinks up. I first saw this side of him one afternoon in 1989 when he began railing about the city government: It wouldn't let him put razor wire around his property to keep itinerants from cutting across his property."
Powers quotes Lynch as saying: "[T]his country's in pretty bad shape when human scum can walk across your lawn, and they put you in jail if you shoot 'em."
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― I Am Sexless and I Am Foul (noodle vague), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link
I don't know if he's afraid of "poor people," exactly, or at least not exclusively. Rich people in his movies tend to be pretty grotesque and decadent too. There is a sense of the wholesome middle class as a bulwark against moral decay on all sides, at least in Blue Velvet and Twin Peaks (and The Straight Story, I guess). I don't know, though, I'm not sure as a whole that his stuff really tracks as classist. Eraserhead and Mulholland Drive don't really fit that mold. It's hard to pin him down ideologically, even given his ostensible Reagan Republicanism. It's all so Freudian and idiosyncratic. You can trace his neuroses to gender/race/class anxieties up to a point, but they're so specific and personal that they don't fit neat categories. ... (and obv. in twin peaks the middle-class bulwark is breached and the evil is actually right at its center. really, lynch's moral universe derives most directly from noir, which implicates everyone.)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 2 January 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 2 January 2006 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― patrick bateman (mickeygraft), Monday, 2 January 2006 22:27 (eighteen years ago) link
ah, point taken.
― kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 2 January 2006 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Bob Six (bobbysix), Monday, 2 January 2006 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Monday, 2 January 2006 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 2 January 2006 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 2 January 2006 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Super Cub (Debito), Monday, 2 January 2006 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 2 January 2006 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link
Also, doesn't Vincent Gallo claim to be a conservative?
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Monday, 2 January 2006 23:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link
Vincent Gallo to jerk off, sell sperm [but not to darkies]
Just cos he was a Christian doesn't make him right wing. This was an artist who promoted the rights of Native Americans, opposed Vietnam and the Iraq war. Despite being "saved" he never became sanctimonious.
― stew!, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link
My contribution to the blacklist and I"m surprised it hasn't been said: Bob Dylan
― shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link
I'm not convinced that Gallo believes any of the racialist nonsense that he says.
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link
More consistently what you see is that the "conservative" leanings of artists lauded by "the left" boils down to wanting to live in the woods and own guns and the rest of the world can fuck right off.
My sense is the conservative thing about some artists that bothers me is this urge to fit everything into neat little boxes, this control freak Kubrick style.
whereas out-of-control has dwarves, red-curtained rooms, hoodlums and hooligans, owls... you know the drill.
Yeah. this is incredibly irritating. Momus, did you put that essay on skulls & all things goth on your blog? I could swear I read it there & thought, huh, I completely agree.
Bresson = very Catholic.
― dar1a g (daria g), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 03:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 03:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― dar1a g (daria g), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 03:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― dar1a g (daria g), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 03:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 03:44 (eighteen years ago) link
So OTM
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 04:13 (eighteen years ago) link
yeah i think i said something about transcendence through suffering.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 04:16 (eighteen years ago) link
What? What evidence are you using for either? I can see Bush and Hoover expanding government and Reagan certainly got more government money to spend than ever before but I still don't see how you came to either conclusion. Are you assuming FDR was just riding Hoover's policy on the New Deal?
Oh, and I to answer the thread directly I think any right-wing person in the arts who gets lauded. Has there ever been a "critically acclaimed" art or artist who was liked exlusively by "the right"? No. If that were the case they wouldn't be critically acclaimed, right?
― Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 05:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 05:48 (eighteen years ago) link
But the Republicans do get credit for expaning the government / public sector.
― Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 05:51 (eighteen years ago) link
ha. hahaha.
― kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 06:27 (eighteen years ago) link
I have a gay friend that insists that Eliot was "one of the boys." He reads "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" as the narrative of repressed gay man. While I can definitely see such a reading being justified, I'm not sure if there is enough evidence to say he was. (The other evidence I've heard to support this are the allusions to homoerotic passages in Dante that Eliot uses). What do you all think of this.
It's true that Eliot had gay/bisexual left-leaning friends (ie. Virginia Woolf), so I guess some liberals like him. I like him.
― Freud Junior, Third Cousin to Chuck Norris (Freud Junior), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 06:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 07:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 09:43 (eighteen years ago) link
yeah, it's for these reasons we have the useful 'things are beyond left and right' cliche.
i mean of course catholics are conservative, in their sexual politics and more often than not in their politics more broadly. their whole schtick is against rational secularism (ie the historical left, inheritor of the french revolution).
tuomas' point re the lutherans is interesting -- you would imagine that the lutherans would have no time at all for the state, would you not?
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 09:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 09:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 10:19 (eighteen years ago) link
I don't think expanding the military is an inherently liberal/left principle! Liberal/left doesn't mean that you want big government in every sector regardless of what it does (otherwise fascists would be the ultimate leftists). Nor does it prove that Democrats are further right than Republicans just because the economy does better under them! If anything, it could seem to suggest that (slightly) liberal policies actually work economically.
― Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 14:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link
john currin.
(perfect neo-con, a la adam curtis "power of nightmares" defn.)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 14:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― chris sallis, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― the bellefox, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link
I was referring the "mainstream liberal-left". Not the mainstream as a liberal place necessarily.
The "stock markets perform better under Democrats" thing is documented here (CNN) and here (New York Times).
Wow, that's really quite an amazing study. One thing I have with it is if it takes into account who has control of Congress at the time. Would Reagan get credit for the 1980s despite Democrats being in control of the houses, etc?
― Jingo, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 23:44 (eighteen years ago) link
that's a bit of a red herring, considering Reagan's economic policies were enthusiastically backed (at least in the first term) by a cooperative majority of "Reagan Democrats" and Republicans (the raising of the nat'l debt ceiling, etc.)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 23:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 23:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 5 January 2006 09:57 (eighteen years ago) link
so you could really put any conservative OR right-wing artist in here and it wd work
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 5 January 2006 12:13 (eighteen years ago) link
are often too busy doing that kind of stuff to make any money and tend to favour a status ladder in which cleverness about arty things counts for more and money counts for less
this usually counts as being left/liberal although whether it should is a different matter
― frankiemachine, Thursday, 5 January 2006 12:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 5 January 2006 12:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 13 July 2006 11:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 13 July 2006 11:24 (seventeen years ago) link
Frank Miller used to be like this, but I'm pretty sure most of his leftist fans have abandoned him by now.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 7 April 2009 21:51 (fifteen years ago) link
That reminds me - I'd like to reread those Martha Washington books again at some point. What was the deal with those?
― Nhex, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 03:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Billy Corgan?
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 October 2020 06:18 (three years ago) link
the answer to this is miranda lambert
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 2 October 2020 06:27 (three years ago) link
Mort Walker!
― Boring, Maryland, Friday, 2 October 2020 16:19 (three years ago) link
FP'd you for Dik Browne erasure
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Friday, 2 October 2020 18:10 (three years ago) link
Jorge Luis Borges is one that immediately comes to mind, though his politics mostly aren't evident in his writing. I can't imagine most conservatives have read him, let alone heard of him.
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Friday, 2 October 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link
The above stuff about Lynch from 2006 is very interesting in the light of 2020, particularly the stuff equating "family values" with conservatism. Though cons always paid lip-service to such values, I can think of few things more corrosive to family values than capitalism.
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Friday, 2 October 2020 18:17 (three years ago) link
shows how the perception right and left has changed so significantly the last 10 years ( also to the point where I'm wondering whether Bill Hicks isn't creeping closer to a valid answer here)
― thomasintrouble, Friday, 2 October 2020 18:21 (three years ago) link
Bill Hicks would have been a Berniebro.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 2 October 2020 18:28 (three years ago) link
Norm Macdonald seems to be the most obvious answer to this thread right now
― frogbs, Friday, 2 October 2020 18:30 (three years ago) link
Lynch is so into families that he's had four of them
(and started at least two of those by cheating on then ghosting a previous partner or wife aiui)
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Friday, 2 October 2020 19:23 (three years ago) link
Damn, I didn't know that. X reference with the "separating the art from the artist" thread.
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Friday, 2 October 2020 19:30 (three years ago) link
― Boring, Maryland, Friday, 2 October 2020 20:12 (three years ago) link
I'd suggest H.L. Mencken, even though his politics were all over the place by today's definitions. "At heart" he seems conservative.
― Josefa, Friday, 2 October 2020 20:19 (three years ago) link
and unless I’m misremembering p gd racist
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 2 October 2020 20:42 (three years ago) link
you're not misremembering
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 2 October 2020 21:07 (three years ago) link
Nah he’d be a corona truther.
I don't know how the guy who talked like this gets lumped into the reactionary bin -" Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace."
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 5 October 2020 02:11 (three years ago) link