Anticipating "A Feast For Crows" by George R. R. Martin (Nov. 9)

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Fourth volume in the best fantasy series I've ever read. Well drawn characters, exceedingly intricate plotting, no reliance on D&D archetypes, well-paced and interesting (hello Robert Jordan!).

All ya'll who are sleeping, you can probably breeze through the last 2000+ pages in a week. They're that good.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Monday, 31 October 2005 19:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

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s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 31 October 2005 20:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

Hahahah.

How many are planned for the series as a whole? Or has he said? (Like I've mentioned before, I've read enough into the first book to know I'm probably going to like the rest and will patiently wait for it to conclude, then go nuts with them all at once.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 October 2005 20:05 (8 years ago) Permalink

six books planned.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Monday, 31 October 2005 20:05 (8 years ago) Permalink

Cool deal. Maybe I'll read 'em all after the fifth...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 October 2005 20:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

maybe i'll read the first one? i haven't read fantasy in 12389232 years. and i need some escapism

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 31 October 2005 22:39 (8 years ago) Permalink

THESE ARE REALLY REALLY REALLY GOOD

Dan (Excruciating Back Pain) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 31 October 2005 22:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'd almost forgotten this was about to finally be out, after all the delays! Dan very OTM..these are some of the best in the genre for sure.

Mingus Dew (Mingus Dew), Monday, 31 October 2005 23:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

The last half of the third book was off the chain.

adam (adam), Monday, 31 October 2005 23:39 (8 years ago) Permalink

has been available in the UK for a week now and does not disappoint.

six books planned.

i understand it's now swelled to seven as feast for crows is only really half a book. [whilst it centres on kings landing, events happening simultaneously elsewhere are left for the next one. which hopefully will not take another 5 years.]

mason_storm, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 00:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

these came into the barnes & noble yesterday, but, even though i am an employee, i was not allowed to purchase one until the actual release date!! wtf!! i can probably find one to steal and read while at work.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 16:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

From wikipedia:

The manuscript for the fifth volume is half written:

* A Dance with Dragons

In a May 2005 statement, the author estimates that the entire series will require seven volumes. The seventh book will likely be required because Martin had to move some of the character arcs of the A Feast for Crows manuscript into A Dance with Dragons. Martin recognized that this decision could cause frustration among some of his fans, stating that: "I know some of you may be disappointed, especially when you buy A Feast for Crows and discover that your favorite character does not appear, but given the realities I think this was the best solution... and the more I look at it, the more convinced I am that these two parallel novels, when taken together, will actually tell the story better than one big book."

Martin originally intended the series to be a trilogy, but later increased that estimate, explaining "What can I say? It's a BIG story, and a cast of thousands."

When A Storm of Swords was published, Martin announced that there would be six books. After A Storm of Swords he began writing A Dance with Dragons, which was supposed to take place five years after A Storm of Swords. Martin later announced that he would add another book, A Feast for Crows, to pick up where A Storm of Swords left off. Martin's original announcement that he would skip five years (and not use many flashbacks) upset many fans who didn't want to miss a moment in the lives of their favorite characters. Interestingly, Martin's decision to stop writing one book and start another in order to chronicle part of that five year gap has caused a five year wait for the fourth installment.

I am going to schedule my whole life around reading this book once it comes out.

Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

motherfuckers gimme my book!!!!!

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Thursday, 3 November 2005 21:28 (8 years ago) Permalink

Since you're leaving soon anyway... do you have any co-conspirators at the store that would ring the book out for you if you got a hold of it?

Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 3 November 2005 21:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

haha i read the first one when it came out--is there anybody left still left alive?

mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 3 November 2005 22:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

apparently the dragons survive.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 3 November 2005 22:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

Punks.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 November 2005 22:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

I was so shocked at the major death in the first book (which I won't spoil here). But the blood keeps flowing. Mookieproof, if you thought the first book was killer (ha ha) you've gotta read through the third--it's a massacre. And really, really good.

Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 3 November 2005 22:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

OMG the end of the third book completely FLOORED me!

Dan (Excruciating Back Pain) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 November 2005 22:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

You mean the bloody surprise towards the end... or the surprise at the very, very end?

Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 3 November 2005 22:55 (8 years ago) Permalink

shit is so violent throughout that thing.

i'm just worried that my weed-addled brainz won't be able to keep up with martin's plots and i will sink into a sea of despair.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Thursday, 3 November 2005 23:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

i wish i were a woman so i could suckle dragons :(

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 4 November 2005 02:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

You mean the bloody surprise towards the end... or the surprise at the very, very end?

Yes! And YES!!!!!

Dan (Need To Reread) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 November 2005 03:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

ok guys i got the first one! cuz it was like $5. and i haven't read a fantasy novel (save LOTR) in like... 15 years. and i've spent most of this year regressing to my 13-year-old (comic books, video games) self.

so there!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 7 November 2005 03:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

NEW ONE TOMORROW.

my friend andrew likes it. me & laura were trying to convine him to read it for like a month, and he just started.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Monday, 7 November 2005 15:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

GO BUY THIS BOOK TODAY YOU GUYS!!!

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

i started the first one! seems pretty fun so far, though i'm a little worried about my fantasy endurance.

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

there's not much fantasy involved. it reads more like historical fiction.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i like that about it so far.

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 17:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

Oh awesome, s1ocki. Don't worry about your endurance. Just get well into the first book and it'll come on it's own.

I'm so fucking excited about getting this book tonight. It is going to significantly improve my life.

Laura H. (laurah), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 20:16 (8 years ago) Permalink

i am only on chapter three.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 23:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

things are getting KUH-RAZY in book one!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 10 November 2005 05:35 (8 years ago) Permalink

DUDE, YOU HAVE NO IDEA!!

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Thursday, 10 November 2005 18:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

we're talking post-twin peaks levels of complexity.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Thursday, 10 November 2005 18:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

i must have exclaimed "holy shit!" while i was reading at least three times yesterday

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 10 November 2005 18:17 (8 years ago) Permalink

This series runs rings around all the other doorstop fantasies. I'm only 50 or 60 pages into the new one but am enjoying it greatly (new POVs!). The second half of the third one was fucking amazing.

That this series has turned out so well surprises me, considering what a C-lister GRR Martin was before (Wild Cards? ugh).

adam (adam), Thursday, 10 November 2005 18:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

THE BEAUTY & THE BEAST TV SERIES

I'm a bit further ahead than you, Adam, and Laura is ahead of us both. But I am so into it.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Thursday, 10 November 2005 18:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

As long as I'm in the fantasy dork thread, is the new Robert Jordan worth finishing? I read 150 pages and said fuck it.

adam (adam), Thursday, 10 November 2005 19:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'm about 400 pages in. Which in this book is not as significant as it would seem. Nothing completely shocking has happened yet, but it feels like the plot is swirling around ready to take form in some unexpected way. The writing and storytelling is as great as you would expect.

I don't care that much about the Seastone Chair subplot (though I really like Asha), but I'm really enjoying the King's Landing and Eyrie stuff.

Ian, catch up with me! I want to talk to you about it.

Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 10 November 2005 19:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'm about halfway through the first book. THANK YOU IAN.

elmo (allocryptic), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

Help us get Phil to read it now.

Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

i am still only like two hundred pages in.

why does laura read so fast.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Thursday, 10 November 2005 23:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

As long as I'm in the fantasy dork thread, is the new Robert Jordan worth finishing?

YES

Dan (But I Would Say That) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 10 November 2005 23:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

this is totally weird--i'm at my folk's house in TO, and i just found, when rummaging around in my closet, an invitation to see robert jordan read from his new book. #6 in the series! 1994!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 11 November 2005 04:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

i still haven't read Winter's Heart in the RJ series.. I've got a paperback copy of it, but I can't be bothered really. There's so much backstory for me to remember, and it really was a chore getting through number 9.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Friday, 11 November 2005 04:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

i've never read a robert jordan book though

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 11 November 2005 05:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'm honestly having a little trouble remembering what the hell went on in the first three (beyond what happens with the interesting characters). I googled around for a recap but no dice--is there a good site anyone knows of with spoilertastic summaries of 1-3?

adam (adam), Friday, 11 November 2005 12:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

Like I said upthread, I'm a little more than halfway through the first book, but I just came down with a nasty cold last yesterday, and I had crazy Robitussin fever dreams about the House of Lannister. This book is pretty infectious.

elmo (allocryptic), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:37 (8 years ago) Permalink

it only gets more amazing, andeeroo.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Saturday, 12 November 2005 04:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

like generally in modern epic fantasy 'the world' is just as important a character as any of the actual cast, its not really considered a 'waste' to spend a bunch of pages furthering the readers understanding of that character obv lots of ppl arent that interested in this level thats ok (xp)

Lamp, Monday, 27 June 2011 05:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

but i think if youre going to dismiss the pleasure in discovering the mechanics of how the fantasy world works than you maybe just arent going to like epic fantasy much?

you're not wrong. i delayed reading these books for years bc i had no interest in fantasy novels (despite lots of friends pushing them on me) and only picked them back up bc of the show. fantasy on tv = excellent. in books not so much. maybe i shouldn't be surprised that my prior hesitations were well-founded.

Mordy, Monday, 27 June 2011 05:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

id argue anyway that whats interesting w/r/t to GRRM's world-building isnt the... specific people, or even the specific institutions, or whatever. its the way those people and institutions interact, i guess? martin is certainly not a historian or political science guy but he has, broadly, a good sense of politics "works" in a world like westeros. (this is open to debate, obviously, but let's just say this is true relative to tolkein.) the war of the 5 kings is interesting not because the 5 kings themselves have boss powers or interesting backstories but because it feels kind of... "real." messy and political and cruel and sad. and one way of looking at bk2 and the semi-unchanging status quo (i mean its kind of a HUGE deal that the martells showed up and pledged fealty to joffrey!) is that, like, thats how it works, sometimes!

☂ (max), Monday, 27 June 2011 05:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

id say do yourself a favor and read the 3rd book because there are at least 2 really major "game-changers" as they say

☂ (max), Monday, 27 June 2011 05:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

see, you say that it's a huge deal that the martells showed up and pledged fealty and i google them bc i can't remember who they are or why they were important.

Mordy, Monday, 27 June 2011 05:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

heh

we can talk about this all night and its going to end with me shouting at you red-faced "YOU'RE JUST READING THEM WRONG" and then storming out

☂ (max), Monday, 27 June 2011 05:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

fair enough -- i'm not really looking to debate it. i was just curious about soliciting some other ppl's experiences to compare/contrast.

Mordy, Monday, 27 June 2011 05:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh yea sure. like i said, my advice to you is to just read the 3rd one, its what like 10 hours of your life? and then at least youll have more evidence when you want to argue with people about it. i bet youll hate the 4th one but its shorter than the other 3

☂ (max), Monday, 27 June 2011 05:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i guess what i sd upthread about 3 still stands. it will probably be a more rewarding xp at least finishing that one and then giving up than leaving things here (xp: i guess what max sd).

Lamp, Monday, 27 June 2011 05:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

id argue anyway that whats interesting w/r/t to GRRM's world-building isnt the... specific people, or even the specific institutions, or whatever. its the way those people and institutions interact, i guess?

yeah he obviously brings a lot of care and attention to detail when hes on the political maneuvering stuff & hes got a creates a good sense of this vast interplay btw all the different noble houses & other institutions that are part of the 'game' so im always disappointed that he doesnt seem to bother with them same depth for most of the other parts of his world. i mean i dont need to know the byzantine political history of asshai by the shadow but in many other fantasy epics youd get the sense the author does.

Lamp, Monday, 27 June 2011 06:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

(i mean its kind of a HUGE deal that the martells showed up and pledged fealty to joffrey!) is that, like, thats how it works, sometimes!

― ☂ (max), Monday, June 27, 2011 1:49 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

heh, you mean the tyrells! helping mordy's case here possibly

i will say that i thought book 1 was the best-written book in terms of the story it told from beginning to end - its just a tight piece of work. and when i was in mordy's place (finishing book 2, getting into book 3) i sorta had this feeling like 'i'm digging this, i'm invested in the world, but i dont think the series is ever gonna reach the height of book 1 again' - but then shit got real again and it reinvigorated how i was feeling about the series

Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam), Monday, 27 June 2011 06:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

whoops lol

☂ (max), Monday, 27 June 2011 06:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

shouldve just stuck w/ "the reach"

☂ (max), Monday, 27 June 2011 06:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

i wonder if i avoided the ennui by just buying books 2/3/4 at one time and jumping rite into book 3 after book two. its a lil easier to stomach treading water if youve got actual plot coming up right away--i feel like in retrospect book 4 will seem less annoying when paired w/ dance into dragons

☂ (max), Monday, 27 June 2011 06:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

*knocks wood* *crosses fingers*

☂ (max), Monday, 27 June 2011 06:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

mordy somewhat otm, i dunno. it may help you to learn that in the original plan for the series (when it was a 2,400 page fuckin' trilogy) the first novel covered all of book one and half of book two, which goes a long way towards explaining why the plotting and pacing starts to go increasingly awry -- i feel like a lot of all the other books has the terrible feeling of "i have major unresolved structural issues preventing me from getting to the next bullet point, but i guess i can spin out another 200 pages on the mud vikings or the spainishmen or whatever"

i feel like everything we 'learn' about how the 'world' of westeros 'works' is fairly arbitrary -- it's my contention that he decided his medieval england analogue was actually the size of south america somewhere between books one and two --

martin is certainly not a historian or political science guy but he has, broadly, a good sense of politics "works" in a world like westeros. (this is open to debate, obviously, but let's just say this is true relative to tolkien.) the war of the 5 kings is interesting not because the 5 kings themselves have boss powers or interesting backstories but because it feels kind of... "real." messy and political and cruel and sad

see this is kind of a weird thing because tolkien is so emphatically not concerned with how politics works? i don't know. but there is basically a sign posted outside lotr saying THIS WAY FAIRYLAND, SUSPEND DISBELIEF ABOUT LOGISTICS PLEASE; a lot of fantasy fiction works this way; & yeah to anyone who says tolkien is bad because the politics don't work i reserve the right to go "YOU'RE JUST READING THEM WRONG" myself, not that i even like tolkien

anyway i think the reason it all feels totally arbitrary to me is that the war-of-the-roses stuff feels messy and real &c. until i stop and think about how this is meant to be an entire continent it's happening on -- like, you can't just scale up and expect it to work! medieval england was already nowhere near as monocultural as martin makes westeros. this is why i'm harping on the food thing upthread -- like he's just slapped on a 'spanish' texture pack.

also just .. the war of the roses is the least interesting period of history anywhere in the world ever

thomp, Monday, 27 June 2011 10:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

im not saying tolkein is bad because of politics!!

☂ (max), Monday, 27 June 2011 11:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

im anticipating criticisms (like yours) that grrm doesnt _actually_ get politics (which i think is true) by saying that were talking in a relative way here

☂ (max), Monday, 27 June 2011 11:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

and anyway youre obviously right martin isnt nearly the historian/sociologist/political scientist he or his most fervent fans would like him to be. i tend to be a little more annoyed at his insistence that history is shaped by the decisive actions of a handful of nobles and that dynasties are won and lost in a single instant than by his cruddy geo-cultural sense

☂ (max), Monday, 27 June 2011 11:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i think that would probably annoy me more too, except i have an incredibly pedantic mindset

thomp, Monday, 27 June 2011 12:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

i might stop complaining about the olives and start complaining about the ravens instead

thomp, Monday, 27 June 2011 12:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

i've read about 3.75 books and it is pretty clear to me that GRRM is not my kind of nerd? in that what gets GRRM off is court intrigue and genealogy and the word "ser" (see it's not england it has an E) whereas i am more of a grain prices guy. that aside though he writes good !!!!! moments (book 3 has The Big One) and if his characters aren't "complex" in the shakespearian sense they do refuse to be placed firmly in a column. or at least they die unexpectedly. and in a few cases (most of them girls, actually -- dany, sansa -- but also samwell and maybe littlefinger) i really dig the arcs, partly because of how slow and painful they are, and how many times they refuse to satisfy traditional fantasy-epic expectations; i love for example how samwell goes on a big globetrotting adventure without actually Finding His Courage.

the prose is bad but it's pulp fantasy. much worse exists. for what it's worth mordy i do remember 2 being the boring one.

my Sonicare toothbrush (difficult listening hour), Monday, 27 June 2011 17:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

i guess what i mean re: "refuse to satisfy" is that all the characters start as cliches (weary noble warrior! restless tomboy! bratty minor princess! fat coward! bitch!) but the books make a point of frustrating their ideas of themselves.

my Sonicare toothbrush (difficult listening hour), Monday, 27 June 2011 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i think that's probably the series biggest strength. Obviously grrm hasn't performed a full "deconstruction" of the genre (whatever that would entail) but he subverts it in ways that make the series 1m times more enjoyable.

☂ (max), Monday, 27 June 2011 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

so i'm enjoying the third book much more than the second. no complaints really about any of the major arcs/storylines except -- holy shit the Arya stuff is boring. i never thought her plot would become my least favorite but it definitely drags the most (well, Bran too). i don't know why there's all this focus on the super boring tedious Stark kids (Robb is okay, and Jon, and Sansa is a cipher but in interesting locations/interacting with interesting characters but the little ones...)

Mordy, Friday, 8 July 2011 06:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

arya rules fuiud.

one dis leads to another (ian), Friday, 8 July 2011 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

who are you

((( (Lamp), Friday, 8 July 2011 21:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah arya chapters in that book best stuff among all four. the names list, etc

abcfsk, Friday, 8 July 2011 21:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm just boggling that someone could be more interested in Sansa than either Arya or Bran

DJP, Friday, 8 July 2011 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Bran is the most boring throughout, let's be fair. Nothing happens to him except for his emoing.

abcfsk, Friday, 8 July 2011 21:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's not really true...?

DJP, Friday, 8 July 2011 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Bran parts of book II are esp. great. Admit that his parts in the book III are not my favorites however.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 July 2011 21:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

HEY I GOT ALL MY BOOKS BACK, PREPARING FOR MASSIVE RE-READ OF 3/4!

manager expects you to work past 6PM but won't allow you to change into (Laurel), Friday, 8 July 2011 21:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think grrm's biggest f-u moment is the bran/jon passing each other in the north bit

remy bean, Friday, 8 July 2011 21:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

i just finished rereading 3 today, and i'm gonna try to read 4 by tuesday

remy bean, Friday, 8 July 2011 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think grrm's biggest f-u moment is the bran/jon passing each other in the north bit

YES

Number None, Friday, 8 July 2011 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Arya is probably my favorite character in the whole series.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 July 2011 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

HODOR is mine

remy bean, Friday, 8 July 2011 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

#teampodrick

☂ (max), Friday, 8 July 2011 21:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tyrion 4 Life

Number None, Friday, 8 July 2011 21:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Started a thread for the new book: Anticipating GRRM's A Dance With Dragons

schwantz, Friday, 8 July 2011 21:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

maybe Arya gets better but so far it's just been "arya trying to escape / arya gets captured" beat played over and over again.

Mordy, Saturday, 9 July 2011 04:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

have you been keeping a "wench" tally

my Sonicare toothbrush (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 9 July 2011 05:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Finished Feast of Crows!

Really came to hate the Cersei chapters, partly for GRRM's less than sterling prose, partly for how thinly he fleshes out her character. Agree w/ Princess TamTam (Dornish?) upthread about her deal being paranoia instead of outright stupidity, but the way that he writes marked direct speech (i.e. what I allude to here) gets incredibly tiresome in Cersei's chapters -- mostly because GRRM seems more invested in having us look down on her all inna "lol @ her smug butt" way rather than focus on giving her more dimensionality (she's been WAY more interesting in the tv show). That said, very very happy where she ends up in the book, so clearly GRRM is doing something right.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARYA~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ;_; I am so ready to have her become a blind assassin though, which I no doubt will be able to read about in 2017.

I have to say some of the TWISTS, even in book 3, are telegraphed, even the Red Wedding, which for narrative-structural reasons (the way the chapters were set up) and plot reasons (why would Frey marry off what's her name to you know who especially when HE'S in a better bargaining position?) I saw coming. But then heheh I was all o_OO_o in the epilogue.

Also, a minor I've been wondering about the second book: why do Tyrion's mountain men hang with him in such an obedient way? These guys were on the verge of chopping off his manhood and feeding it to the goats in book 1, then in book 2 they're his unquestioning bodyguards. Were the splendors of King's Landing so, uh, splendid that they awed them into submission?

Finally: 3 > 1 > 2 > 4.

Leee, Lord of Wtfomgham (Leee), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

PS I figured that by the time I was going to finish book 4 that book 5 would be out in paperback, but clearly I'm going to have to splurge on the hardcover now.

Leee, Lord of Wtfomgham (Leee), Sunday, 2 October 2011 00:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah the way that for a few hundred pages people are going "hey remember the LAWS of HOSPITALITY which are REAL IMPORTANT which no one EVER EVER breaks" is kind of ..... nnnghh

like i'm not sure if this is inept foreshadowing or even more inept dramatic irony

oh well, see you on the book five thread

thomp, Sunday, 2 October 2011 12:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

Yes, it's slogging. About 60% of the way through now, and so much Ironmen padding grrr. Though people who've read everything out assure me that by the time the 6th book comes out he'll have set everything up for something huge. Anyway, LOLed heartily at Lancel's description of treason. Liking Cersei & the Dornish settings a lot.

I'm glad to see the storyline with the sparrows because it hopefully means there's going to be something big with the faith militant/the red woman's religion and it's not just a buildup to nothing.

Now to read the comments upthread...

gyac, Friday, 6 April 2012 19:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

You'll appreciate aFfC more in retrospect.

tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Friday, 6 April 2012 19:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

I finished this! Saggy midsection but flew through it in the last third of the book. Could have lived without description of Sam's "fat pink mast".

I understand why people moaned about it as it can be quite slow going and at times you wonder why the fuck there's so much Iron Islands stuff, for example, but looking back at it all, you can see things shifting into place.

Starting ADWD now. I really hope he can deliver on this big climax.

gyac, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

the iron islands stuff were the only parts of affc i really hated.

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:39 (2 years ago) Permalink


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