Penn & Teller's Bullshit!

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Anyone else been watching the third season?

It's my fave thing on TV right now...

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 28 May 2005 19:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

You can only access that page from the US? What the...? Not much help if I want to download it or something. Or even find out more about it.

― Guymauve (Guymauve), Saturday, 28 May 2005 19:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

I've been watching a few of the old shows on the tv streaming thing on winamp. they're pretty good. we need more Penn and Teller on tv over here. I loved the magic shows they did when I was younger

― jellybean (jellybean), Saturday, 28 May 2005 19:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

that's so lame.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 28 May 2005 19:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

bullshit has its heart in the right place but i think it's often a little too reactionary. genetically modified food will save the planet! greenpeace are nothing but dopey trust-fund college students! hey, i can appreciate indictments of the extreme left, but sometimes it seems like p & t's message is "sitting on your ass and doing nothing is better than being one of those earnest misguided dipshits who care about, like, stuff."

― a collectivist romantic fling! (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's the reason I'm considering getting Showtime!

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

save your money and download the episodes!

― a collectivist romantic fling! (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

Here's a non-Showtime page that should be accessible

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's the reason I'm considering getting Showtime!

Save your cash and get them off of BitTorrent.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

that's what i said.

― a collectivist romantic fling! (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

From the celebrity atheist site:

"Penn is such an ardent atheist he refuses to go to weddings" writes Joshua Quittner in a PJ profile in WIRED 2.09.

― latebloomer: B Minus Time Traveler (latebloomer), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

im not sure whether to applaud that or call the dude out for being an asshole.

― latebloomer: B Minus Time Traveler (latebloomer), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

http://www.theadvocates.org/celebrities/penn-teller.html

― rational thought., Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

i've never met a self-proclaimed libertarian that wasn't an asshole.

― Did the glacier in the library bounce today? (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 29 May 2005 17:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

I've got Season One on my Ziplist (Cdn version of Netflix) as a PRIORITY.

― Huk-L, Monday, 30 May 2005 13:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

if they had balls they'd do an episode on libertarianism. maybe a guest host would be required for that one... perhaps martin gardner?

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 30 May 2005 20:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

i still think it's a great series though.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 30 May 2005 20:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

Penn is a FREAK. A FREAK.

His thinking is very simplistic and just as reactionary as the other side of the idiot polemic he argues against. The only decent things I've seen on the show are the less ideological stuff-like designer water, for example.

I know someone who loves him, but she's a sucker for any athetist with a penis.

― Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 30 May 2005 20:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

penn is an entertaining comedian and magician.

― charleston charge (chaki), Monday, 30 May 2005 23:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

They both brazenly flirted with my at the time 16 year old sister. Eww.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 00:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

ugh, skeevy.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 03:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

Makes you wonder what else they do together.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 03:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

penn's married, teller has a lifetime partner.

― kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 04:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

I only rented one DVD: Loved the Ouija Board debunking, but yeah, some "libertarian" pro-corporate types seem to see the world only in terms of people who work for a living versus wackos.

― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 16:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

The PETA one is the scariest thing ever. But I think the recycling one failed.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

some "libertarian" pro-corporate types seem to see the world only in terms of people who work for a living versus wackos.

OTM (your opinion, not the libertarian one)

― The Pinup Girls of YANK (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

Don't the randroids actually have terms for those? Productives vs. leeches or something.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

I think "wackos" is a bit harsh. Often it's people who have an informed opinion vs. people who just have an opinion.

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

no, on bullshit even those with informed opinions are wackos.

― The Pinup Girls of YANK (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I haven't seen more than a handful of random episodes, but the one about second hand smoke not being bad for you was really, really unconvincing. I guess the claim was that you're unlikely to inhale enough to hurt you secondhand, but... look, I smoke like a chimney, and I don't like smoking in restaurants. It's just common sense. Come on, Penn.

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

And I saw one with a lot naked people, and it was kinda pointless and icky.

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

Oh! And the Global Warming Episode! I was OUTRAGED!

You know what? Every episode of this that I've seen has pissed me off. Ok, fuck this show.

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

I started watching the one on college which was idiotic, but one of my best friends swears by the water episode.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

you don't really need to drink water?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

the one on college which was idiotic

I watched the online clip of that last night because of this thread, and it seemed to follow the formula. Here's this venerated respectable person who agrees with us, and... sheesh! Look at this fuckin' idiot!... who represents our opposition.

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

everybody knows that most bottled water is just tap water, but i'll still stand up for "smartwater" and eternally roll my eyes at people who insist on saying "i'll take my water stupid, thank you" (oh fuck off, you ignoramus).

― The Pinup Girls of YANK (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

Whenever I see it I keep thinking, well, that was fun and kinda-okay, but it might have been better if he'd done, like TWO MINUTES RESEARCH ON THE INTERNET. Or is empiricism bullshit, too? The idea's okay, the execution's flat-out lazy. And Penn can't do sarcasm.

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

Penn Jillette = Conan Doyle + Dave Sim

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

Even the designer water one, though hilarious (naming one of the gourmet brands "Agua de Culo" was pretty funny), didn't really prove the intended point. It said a lot more about people's behavior when being filmed than it did about expensive water.

Keep in mind, Penn is the type of person who claims to hate wacko pseudo-pundits... and then he pops up in shit like "Michael Moore Hates America." He's a boob.

― On a Strict El Cholo Diet (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...

Penn's seriousness is still grating, but the death penalty episode was pretty dang great.

― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 22 April 2006 20:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

the show's fun, but it should be called making fun of idiots, as they always find the stupidest possible people to advocate the position they're arguing against.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

otm

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

So a more libertarian TV Nation then?

I've only seen the War On Drugs episode thanks to Elvis and S. Cindy, and that one was great, incidentally.

― DOQQUN (donut), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

what were they debunking in the death penalty episode?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

the show's fun, but it should be called making fun of idiots, as they always find the stupidest possible people to advocate the position they're arguing against.

yeah, i really dislike the show for this reason. it makes for good comedy, but i wish their targets weren't so easy. they sweep a stupid hippie off the beach so they can say "look! hippies are stupid!"

― even cathy berberian's nose (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 22 April 2006 22:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

after seeing more episodes, i'm less enthused.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Sunday, 23 April 2006 04:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

what were they debunking in the death penalty episode?

Statistics used by pro-death penalty people that supposedly prove that capital punishment deters crime.

― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 23 April 2006 16:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

ok good!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 23 April 2006 18:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

the infamous p3t@ epsiode

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 19:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

I like the fact that the show spends a good chunk of time actually considering some of the key problems/debates of our time. Ultimately I disagree with the conclusions and even the methodology, but what other show even tackles these issues? My fellow Berkeley/SF/Oakland residents are a bit of a Green Party hivemind, so it's nice to be confronted with a wildy divergent opinion that isn't based on an impulse toward theocracy, xenophobia, etc.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 20:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

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The question is why are you buying purified water? Do you really need to? And is it, really?

― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

...you have to buy bottled water because your tap water is full of germs and chemicals. BULLSHIT. It is not, if you live in a westernised city.

People do tend to forget that there are still a lot of places in the world where the water will make you very, very sick. And not over several years, Erin Brockovich-style, but that very same afternoon. No, we have not 100% perfected the total purity of the water supply in America, but there does seem to be a prominent feeling -- just a feeling, is all it is -- that drinking water from the tap is BAD for you. This is not because most municipal water supplies are unsafe to drink. In America, almost no municipal water supplies have been shown to have any ill health effects of any kind over any period of time. (With a few notable exceptions, of course.) A huge amount of time and money and engineering and invention and all-around giving a shit has gone into making sure that you can drink a glass of water right out of your faucet whenever you like, and even if you have taste issues with your local tap water, I don't think enough people stop to consider what a modern miracle it is that we have unlimited access to perfectly safe, clean water.

― I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

The question is why are you buying purified water? Do you really need to? And is it, really?

Because it tastes much better, and yes I would do a double blind test or whatever

― frogbs, Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah Kenan I'm obviously talking about western cities with clean water supplies. Theyre the ones soda companies are selling this crap to!

― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

but there does seem to be a prominent feeling -- just a feeling, is all it is -- that drinking water from the tap is BAD for you.

It is Coca Cola Amatil et al who CREATED this "feeling". Watch that link/video I posted.

― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sorry this is my one barrel I push haha. Wrong thread for it really.

― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh my god you guys

― I Lost A COGHdrop in His Pato (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Bottled water is a load of bullshit. please don't drink/buy it. Thanks from the rest of the world.

― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

pretty sure all water is fine unless you drink it out of a muddy hoofprint. Like you guys being all "don't put bad things in your body" on a board that has a 340-post thread on how awesome four loko is, i mean

― I Lost A COGHdrop in His Pato (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's the BOTTLING of the water that is the problem

― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thankyou Shakey, I was begnning to think I was on crazy pills!

― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

And if your tap water is hard (which is why Mark G's disprin wont dissolve), or metallic, or a little funny tasting - buy a filter jug!

― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like hard water, both for drinking from the tap and for showering. Calcium and magnesium are not problems with the water, they're just common minerals. Hell, the water out of Lake Michigan has so much calcium in it, you don't need to drink milk anymore.

― I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

And it's delicious, btw.

― I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like the chunky style.

― nickn, Friday, 14 January 2011 00:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

hard water is the worst for showering, makes crazy hair

― ice cr?m, Sunday, 16 January 2011 15:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

so does this show still involve Penn and Teller picking and ripping apart easy targets and spitting out oversimplified opinions? if so, I'll continue to skip and will thank u for the warning

― five deadly venoms (San Te), Sunday, 16 January 2011 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

I never liked this show for that reason. Any good arguments they make are, like you say, shootin' fish in a barrel stuff - and theres that small percentage of utter libertarian nonsense to boot.

― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Sunday, 16 January 2011 22:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

And a while ago I was dating a guy who, I realised eventually, looks (and has opinions) like Penn Gilette. It was... disconcerting. Like that episode of the IT crowd where Jen is dating the guy who looks like a magician, haha.

― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Sunday, 16 January 2011 22:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Just got tickets for the Vegas show! :D

― domo genesis p-orridge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 16 January 2011 23:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

My seats are ridiculously fucking close

― domo genesis p-orridge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 16 January 2011 23:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Growing up, these guys were some of my heroes. It was awesome to get another Penn & Teller book for Christmas or seeing them on Letterman.

― Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 17 January 2011 00:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I liked in one of their books when they said magic is a terrible way to pick up women. It makes people think you are deceitful and crafty and manipulative, which they said is not attractive to women.

― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Monday, 17 January 2011 00:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's a good way of making women appear from nowhere though.

― Mark G, Monday, 17 January 2011 10:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

being cut in half is probably a turn-off

― Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Monday, 17 January 2011 13:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Whiney will the Vegas show have the ppl from the British TV contest?

― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Monday, 17 January 2011 16:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

\o_o/

― domo genesis p-orridge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 17 January 2011 16:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

man i used to love these guys wish i never woulda watched this horrible show.

glenn beck follows penn on twitter (and muse!)

― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

muse about what?

― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

muse the band

― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

I feel silly!
But: Stephanie Meyers likes them ---Glenn Beck likes them, are they the #1 band for Mormons?

― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i don't know much about them, other than the songs on rock band and guitar here...are they "political" or some shit? i guess they are the new Rush kinda so maybe they have weirdo libertarian leanings and shit

― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

An in-law of mine has been tweeting obsessively on facebook about the recycling episode, telling everybody to stop recycling. Could anyone who has seen the episode break this down for me? The only clue I've got from this thread is:

The PETA one is the scariest thing ever. But I think the recycling one failed.
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, May 31, 2005 1:01 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

― kkvgz, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

bump

― kkvgz, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

from what i remember someone figured out the pollution/resoureces it takes to drive trucks to places and pick up news papers and then break them down vs just dumping them in a field, and it's supposedly WORSE for the environment to have all these extra trucks and factories running to reuse this stuff

― suxv (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh, I'm sure...

Also, for every action there is a reaction.

As in, we get to have our burgers in biodegradeable boxes, only get a shopping plastic bag when we really need it, and so on. So, Newspapers are given out free to train travellers, everyone tales one, only 50% of them are read, and 95% are left on the train to get recycled and reprinted. I vote we sack free papers.

― Mark G, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp ok (or not, depending on whether that's true) but recycling is not just about energy saving, it's about not giving over the whole of your countryside to massive stinky unhealthy landfill sites.

― and the hint of parp (ledge), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was thinking about that. And not stripping the countryside of natural resources in the first place.

― kkvgz, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

stuff like paper might be better made from renewable resources rather than recycled, iirc. like to see the arguments against recycling rarer materials with finite supplies.

― a SB-in' artist that been in the game for a minute (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

aren't these guys more or less global warming sceptics tho? fucking libertarians

― a SB-in' artist that been in the game for a minute (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wow - he just posted on it for the third time today.

― kkvgz, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Getting the trash picked up at my curb is more expensive and uses more resources than simply throwing it out the window and letting it pile up in my backyard. Therefore trash pickup is bullshit.

― wk, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 17:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

That's the level of thought these libertarian asshats seem to operate under. Teller is a great magician though. Shame they had to go down this path.

― wk, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Getting the trash picked up at my curb is more expensive and uses more resources than simply throwing it out the window and letting it pile up in my backyard.

this is only true in the short-term duh

― in my world of loose geirs (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Teller speaks! Wizard-level misdirection!

― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 14 July 2011 06:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

This is still his best piece. Too bad there's not a clean version up without people talking on top.

― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Thursday, 14 July 2011 07:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

I remember a "travels around the world" TV series they did, which was excellent and one I'd buy if it were available..

Teller did a bit of a video diary on it.

― Mark G, Thursday, 14 July 2011 09:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

9 months pass...

I'm finally watching this show, it's pretty great. The show about going green was so awesome. Some of them present really interesting points of view that I hadn't thought of, and never really see when these topics come up. They must get a lot of shit from leftists. Also, <3 the blonde with the perfect huge tits

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

definitely some interesting POVs on this show, but I certainly wouldn't take anything away from it, it's about the least objective thing on TV right now

― That's a pretty funky dance, Garfield. Show me how you do it. (frogbs), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

Nothing's objective on TV.

The organic one was awesome too

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

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