The UFO/alien abduction thread

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There's a thread about all that here:

Sleep Paralysis - Plain Weird or REALLY WEIRD!?

psychic abilities? you seem like a real wack job all right. i know you probably don't really believe it though, yr probably just saying it to get attention and draw your mind off your mundane existence.

thanks pal.

The Phoenix Lights return

Lights in the sky.Filmed in Phoenix april 08. Set to powerfull music.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf8w-mglUgM

so they're just flares attached to balloons? Two seperate people confirmed this, so case solved yes?

two separate patsys

Anyone see this when originally broadcast?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TjwB0_I-DQ

"The objects look like UFOs"

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1222670.ece

way to misquote The Sun, StanM. "look like flying saucers" - those dots, they mean. Not the bird.

Expert Chris Martin said they could be spheres which have been seen a lot over London.

sammy hagar now believes he is an abductee

"This footage could be an alien visit"

Shocking alien whale abduction caught on camera!

http://i27.tinypic.com/2ef2t7t.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/51/Star_trek_iv_ver3.jpg/200px-Star_trek_iv_ver3.jpg

Expert Chris Martin said they could be spheres which have been seen a lot over London.

"...and they were all yellow..."

there are some who say that aliens are fallen angels, who mislead us away from god.

i think their is a wring of truth to this hypothesis.

lol

Explains it all:

The reason I bring this up, is that last week The Sun runs another UFO story, a full front-pager this time, on UFOs being sighted over a military base. This made me think two things: firstly, that’s a few slow news weeks we’ve been getting. Secondly, that’s nicely timed, considering there’s a new X-Files movie coming out in a few weeks’ time.

The last thought chilled me. Really. Because The Sun is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who in turn owns Fox- who produce the X-Files.

http://www.fractalhall.com/blog/?p=222

Mitchells be believin'!

(here's another one: Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 astronaut)

http://www.australia.to/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=207:et-&catid=1:latest

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1037471/Apollo-14-astronaut-claims-aliens-HAVE-contact--covered-60-years.html

strange, i just saw Mysterious Skin, so now i think all these folx have been abused :/

also, just saw hilarious filler episode of larry king with a bunch of former USAF ufologist types, and he was totally flummoxed at some point: "ah yeah we're gonna break for a moment here. yeah. that's really wierd."

oh shit utub delivers!!

pts 1 - 4!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwiOHRRbNl0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AlAUtN4lJQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkd95fbMHQI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHwDcbxwVXk

several years ago i was asking my dad if he had heard of Art Bell (my dad was a ham radio enthusiast, and apparently so is Art Bell)...my dad was very familiar with his name, but was unaware of his radio show. I told him that it was this goofy call-in show where people discuss ufo's and other "unexplained phenomena", and my dad launched into a story about his days in the Air Force, and how he and some of the other guys would occasionally see stuff come up on the radar that bore no resemblance whatsoever to any plausibly existing technology...like vehicles which traveled at ridiculously high speeds or in bizarre patterns and so forth. There seemed to be no reasonable explanation for this stuff, and he said that his superiors professed bafflement as to whatever it could be.

I thought it was interesting to hear this story from him, because he is a very practical-minded person, who had never evidenced any interest in ufo's or "Coast to Coast AM"-type crap before

yeah, so, three weeks after the election and i've seen advertisements for three new UFO/paranormal shows.

this totally fits my theory that democratic administrations = freaky, "in search of" type tv shows and UFO revivalism.

also why is CNN's American Morning having this "In Search of Aliens/UFO's" thing every day this week, with Miles O'Brien telling his personal unexplained-moments accts, and talking about how new Obaman Chief of Staff Podesta is a big believer in opening the US Gov't official files on UFO history...? (This was just on air 5 mins ago)

^^ this was on the tv's at the gym this morning -- the sound was off so can anyone tell me: why do they keep showing clips of jimmy carter?

He claimed to have seen something with a bunch of his friends when he was in the military

I like this, brought up often these days by UFO supporters as "they know something we don't and they're about to reveal it"

Vatican: It's OK to believe in aliens
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24598508/

I can see myself believing in aliens. I read books on strange phenomenon, love the X-Files, and I would absolutely love to have a UFO experience. I think there is much more to reality than you see in daily life. But it just never happened, I've never had a personal experience with anything anywhere close to a UFO, so I don't believe in them.

They're attacking windfarms!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lincolnshire/7817378.stm

They'll be objecting to the 4th runway at Heathrow next, alien posho bastards

Children traumatised by 'War of Worlds' abduction of teacher

<3 <3 <3

http://www.abductionlamp.com

I ordered one :-)

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20091218/tod-giant-pyramid-ufo-hovers-over-moscow-870a197.html

like the article says though, surely other people would have seen this so called mile-wide shape hovering in the sky above them. also this was over a week ago, nodoby said anything until now!

xp don't know if it's the same book but this was the one i regularly consulted growing up (i also had the ghosts one which freaked me out even more):

https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51dqwubjguL._SX218_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_ML2_.jpg

the UFO narrative may not have had abduction much wired into it prior to 1961 but folk-tales of abductions by peoples who are not us (viz the fae folk etc etc) go back a long long way -- i'd hesitate to make the jump from one mythology to another too glibly or quickly but i'd also be surprised if there's no holdover at all in re socio-mythological function blah blah

(also here for ppl yelling that aliens and fae folk both totally exist are they're hella different)

fae folk and aliens are both tricks played by the dmt elves.

my take is that betty and barney hill were likely MK Ultra victims- they were civil rights activists

fae cia folk

just finished mirage men, excellent read, basically sealed the deal on me as far as intelligence being responsible for many of the famous stories

(but also UFOs are real)

Yeah, Mirage Men was a good read. The Paul Bennewitz story was so tragic and fucked up.

I don't think it was that specific book, Ledge, though I do know those Usborne books (three in total, there's also one for Monsters, which I guess would have been titled Cryptids if it was released now...) have recently been reprinted.

https://usborne.com/gb/books/series/the-world-of-the-unknown

I was actually prompted to buy DVDs of ACC's Mysterious World (and its follow-up series, ACC's World of Strange Powers) when Fortean Times recently ran an overview and review of the series across three issues. Really enjoyable to watch and read along, I hope they cover Strange Powers in the near future (and maybe Mysterious Universe further down the line, though that hasn't been released on DVD over here).

ledge thank you for posting that usbourne book cover. I'd forgotten all about that book about but will have read it obsessively as a kid. Top left inset picture on the cover massively creeped me out back then--the Hopskinville Goblins encounter.

Yeah, Mirage Men was a good read. The Paul Bennewitz story was so tragic and fucked up.

richard doty is so unnerving, like even though he's an obvious evil creep he still is able to charm the author and his friend, and living as a trickster generally seems to have messed up doty, like he doesn't even know what he believes anymore. makes the intelligence field seem especially nihilistic, in that it harms everyone it touches, and for what? i also was impressed by the meta element of this book itself also essentially being part of an 'op'. like why should we believe kit green anyway

Regarding the Hills, there was a book based on a conference attended by UFO investigators of various stripes back in 2007. I haven't read it, but it presents a variety of takes on the subject (I get the impression it's pretty dry and academic):
https://books.google.ie/books/about/Encounters_at_Indian_Head.html?id=ytDEGAAACAAJ&redir_esc=y

― Duane Barry, Tuesday, January 4, 2022 9:07 AM (three days ago)

Just bought this and have finished it already. I liked it quite a lot and didn't find it too dry. Each of the nine investigators (all men) gets his own chapter to expound on his thoughts and conclusions. As you suggested, each take is distinct from the others. The nine investigators span the spectrum from believers to disbelievers. Interestingly, of the two co-writers of the book - who were also two of the investigators - one does not believe there was an abduction and the other believes there was (or did believe, as he died before the book was published). I'm not sure if my own opinion has been swayed either way. It remains an interesting case that evidently can't be either proven or definitively disproven.

Having read more about Betty Hill I would emend something I posted upthread: instead of saying Betty Hill had a fascination with UFOs prior to the alleged incident, it's probably more accurate to say she had a passing interest in them, as many people did in 1961. After the alleged incident it's very clear she became intensely interested in the subject.

I highly recommend the book "Watch the Skies" by Curtis Peebles which investigates the origins of many of the famous UFO stories like this.

― visiting, Monday, January 3, 2022 7:22 PM (two weeks ago)

Bought an old mass market pb of this and am reading it now. This is perfect, I like the sober, factual tone of it and the seeming thoroughness of the research. Very interesting that early on (late '40s/early 50s) the US military is clearly less concerned with the possibility of alien visitations and more concerned with the possibility of a new Soviet technology or perhaps some kind of psy op being carried out by the Soviets. And they knew it was dangerous to national security to have too many UFO reports clogging up intelligence channels bc then reports of genuine threats would be harder to zero in on.

Your earlier posts prompted me to read a book on the Betty Hill case written by her niece and Stanton Friedman... I don't recommend it.

The story is presented from the beginning as fact and there is a lot of defensiveness regarding the validity of the hypnosis sessions and critics of the case.

Although I'm not especially a big podcast guy I do enjoy this one

He approaches contactees, abductees, sightings, etc. from more of a historical/cultural folklore sort of approach. He has a definite gift for taking source materials and making them much more entertaining than they deserve to be, thanks to his midwestern dry sense of humor and genuine affection for the phenomenon.

xp OK so we have the niece getting defensive about the hypnosis sessions, but on the other side we have the actual doctor who put the Hills under hypnosis, who never believed the Hills were actually abducted (though he did believe they saw a UFO).

What nags at me about the Hills' account is that there are two phases to it, only one of which was consciously remembered just after it happened - that's the phase of the sighting of the UFO - and admittedly it's still weird as it involves Barney Hill claiming to have seen, through binoculars, humanoid beings on the deck of a spaceship. The second phase of the account is the abduction. This was not consciously remembered the day after and only was revealed to Betty Hill in a series of dreams starting a week after the incident. Is it possible to accurately recall in dreams a sequence of real events that one can't actually remember consciously? This is a pertinent question. Because these dreams appear to be the foundation of the story that two years later is "corroborated" in the hypnosis sessions.

Military is clearly less concerned with the possibility of alien visitations and more concerned with the possibility of a new Soviet technology or perhaps some kind of psy op being carried out by the Soviets. And they knew it was dangerous to national security to have too many UFO reports clogging up intelligence channels bc then reports of genuine threats would be harder to zero in on. Within the past year, The New Yorker has published several pieces (also at least one of their podcast episodes is) about US Gov dealing with UFO reports, managing to at least officially explain away most, but going to some lengths to discredit and thus discourage dissent on the subject. One prob is that officeholders get interested in the subject, then enthusiastic, and can't be brushed off or derided. At least one guy got hired or drafted to head the program because he said he didn't care about UFOs at all--think the exact interview exchange was, "What do you think about UFOs?" "I don't think about them."

Haven't read those pieces, but what I'm understanding from reading about the early UFO days is that the US Gov is in kind of a bind, because they don't want people *not* to report anomalies in the sky, but at the same time it's counterproductive for a wide swath of the public to jump to the conclusion that there is some kind of alien incursion going on. This is the kind of belief that could be manipulated for propaganda purposes by an enemy state. And yes, there has always been a sizeable minority in the US govt who actually do believe the alien hypothesis; that's a complication.

I went looking for something about UFOs to listen to and came across the podcast Strange Arrivals, which focuses on the Hill case for the entirity of its first season. I've not finished it all yet but it's been enjoyable so far.

Definitely check out The Saucer Life podcast too.

it is interesting that many people believe in this stuff now. like, i'll bring up the zimbabwe school incident in conversation and everyone there will have heard about it.

I've met far more people in my life who believe in them then people who don't.

Xp I think that's a story that did the rounds on twitter at some point - at least that's where i first heard of it.

Just listened to the Strange Arrivals episode “Regressed” which deals with the hypnosis part of the Hill case. Great stuff, I appreciate the skeptical bent of it, at least of this episode.

https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/

seems like something's going on here. this dude does not appear to be a crackpot.

Trying to figure out if this is one of the episodes where incontrovertible evidence is uncovered or where high-ranking officials have whipped up a convincing fake so that Mulder again loses faith.

The Pentagon says it's not true, which will be proof enough for some that it is true.

The Pentagon says it's not true, which will be proof enough for some that it is true.

(sorry, an alien made me post that twice)

in the Guardian now:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/06/whistleblower-ufo-alien-tech-spacecraft

gotta say I feel a little bad for the dumbass alien who crashed and accidentally alerted an entire species to their extistence

the smartest "skeptic" theory of this (which is to say, skeptical not of Grusch as a source but of the existence of a long-held conspiracy to conceal evidence of aliens from congress) is this one:

In light of the Coulthart/Debrief story about David Grusch, I'd just like to raise again this question I asked three days ago.

(With the caveat that Grush did not actually work in such a program, and we don't yet know who did) https://t.co/1QjMw2ylyN

— Mick West (@MickWest) June 5, 2023

if -i- had to bet i'd put my personal random guesstimates at:
60% they were just reverse-engineering chinese tech or private tech or whatever
25% there's a long-held conspiracy to conceal evidence of aliens from congress
15% Grusch isn't reliable

this dude does not appear to be a crackpot

i would have agreed, up until the dude claimed the usa is hiding ufos. now he does appear to be a crackpot

the responses to that twitter thread are a great example of how mere mention of ufos brings out the idiot in a lot of people. they’re busy debating “advanced tech indistinguishable from alien / magical / wakandan / time traveler tech” … but the article never says he saw anything advanced, just metallurgy he didn’t recognize. for all we know could be like a lot of the weird rocks found in meteorites and/or spit up by volcanoes, ie completely useless!

I am an alien

Less convincing than the eerie but thus far "zero evidence of alien origin" oumuamua

https://cropper.watch.aetnd.com/cdn.watch.aetnd.com/sites/5/2017/11/CharlieBrownLucyFootball.jpg

Okay this happened in California:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/11/09/20/77623183-12725557-image-m-57_1699563393039.jpg

Daily Mail is obv. trash but I love their breathless UFO reporting

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12725557/Air-Force-officer-breaks-silence-red-glowing-UFO-size-football-field-hovering-low-altitude-space-launch-base-California-event-witnessed-half-dozen-military-personnel-People-screaming-scared.html

ah what a shame, my adblocker prevents me ever having to read the Mail.

80 people witnessed it but no photos.

It happened in 2003, but yeah.

razr/flipphone camera photos would be about as enlightening as no photo at all lol

Where does one sign up to volunteer to be abducted?

This planet sucks and I am tired of it.

they'll probe you and bring you back just to have recurring nightmares... trust me, it's not worth it

There is something very weird going on with the congressional hearings and intelligence community leaks on this topic over the past year or two. Especially these guys, all retired military commanders: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/27/1190390376/ufo-hearing-non-human-biologics-uaps

I do not for one moment believe the US government has crashed alien spacecraft and “biologics” in their possession. So why is this information being released? What is the point of the hoax and who is behind it?

They're diverting attention away from their own experiments with stealth and anti-gravity propulsion stuff? And linking it all to the little green men makes it easier to dismiss everyone who investigates as a crazy person.

I'd still like everything to be true but without actual proof time travel and faster than light and intelligent aliens etc are all just pipe dreams.

The next "oh that UFO shit you saw for the last 20 years, that was our new triangular stealth bomber, here it is, tadaa" has to be flying around already, they're not going to tell us until they've lost their advantage.

grusch's testimony doesn't project neatly onto this theory

the most reasonable explanation i've heard is that there are some secret programs keeping track of other foreign countries' super-high-tech (eg: china) and that grusch either misunderstood or was deceived about these programs, leading him to understand them to be non-human in origin

Nicholson Baker is not convinced, says it's balloons but doesn't offer a theory for Grusch's testimony.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/leslie-kean-ufo-sightings-aliens.html

a tiny core of purposeful disinformation, a vast army of useful idiots/credulous nitwits (including grusch) and a thin shell of chancers looking for a paycheck, is how I break it down to an extent.

what abt these guys

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFqmEVWWYAAJxih?format=jpg

elder gods are not space aliens

to them we are probably the aliens