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I want to move there. There must be loads of people from London who post here. What are the pros and cons of the city, and does it rain like everyday?

What are the top universities if you're into the humanities and social science?

Any help is appreciated.

Boxcar (Crapstone), Monday, 15 November 2004 17:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

Where are you moving FROM?

adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

Sweden

Boxcar (Crapstone), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

It's foggy guv, but the streets are paved with gold.

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

no it doesn't rain that often, compared to countless other places

pros
natural epicentre of cultures
tons of great venues, galleries, museums, bars, clubs, shops, restaurants, landmarks and naturally beautiful areas
exciting place to be because of the variety of people and things happening
easy to meet people

cons
expensive living, with many things over-priced
pollution
temperamental and knackered public transport (the DLR is a modern marvel tho)
traffic
density of population can be so annoying at times
easy to feel alienated and detached from people

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:12 (9 years ago) Permalink

pros:
* It's easy to get out of for day trips to other places, if that's your thing

jel -- (jel), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

The 'top' universities are probably UCL and LSE (for social sciences), but someone who's actually been to them might dispute that. I went for an interview at UCL and really liked it, but decided I couldn't afford to live in London as a student.

Cathy (Cathy), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

pros - Hamleys :-)

I heart London - actually on my first visit a few years ago I think I seen pelicans in a public park. I may be tripping, I could have dreamt it, but I'm so sure...

And it wasn't the zoo. Can anyone put me right?

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

You were probably in St James's Park, which I walk round every day and yes, there are pelicans. They freak me out a bit though, especially when they stand in the middle of the path just staring at you.

Except the one time when I bought people there to see the pelicans and suddenly, there were no pelicans.

It doesn't rain every day, and there are at least 40 of us posting here if meeting up and sitting in pubs is your kind of thing. Steve generally OTM.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

Is it true that all the pubs have to close at 11pm?! How long can the clubs be open?

Boxcar (Crapstone), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

Most pubs close at 11. It's because of the First World War, and it's really fucking annoying. An increasing ammount of pubs in central London are getting late licenses to stay open till 1 at the weekend, and the Government promises to change the laws soon, but if you trust a word that comes out of Blair's mouth you're a fool. Most clubs stay open till two or three, some longer.

Anyway, you should move to London. It's nice.

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm more of a club person than pub person so that's okay. But I'm not against the idea of becoming a pub person after moving to London.

I'm most likely moving to London. I'm currently looking at universities.

Boxcar (Crapstone), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm moving there in Jan. and am already psychologically preparing myself for the sad fact that I will not be able to find tix for Gang of Four 1/28 Shepherd's Bush Empire.

Wondering whether living around King's Cross is a good idea (I've lived in Koreatown and Echo Park in LA before it became completely safe and family-ish so I'm notnecessarily panicky about relatively dodgy neighborhoods). I think I like east...I stayed in a flat in Columbia Road before but might need something more central.

Thea (Thea), Monday, 15 November 2004 23:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

King's Cross is perfectly safe - you have to be a bit careful, but that's true of pretty much any inner city area in the world. It is, however, a bit depressing. Not much green around.

I don't know East London very well. If you're willing to go South, the Brixton/Stockwell/Herne Hill area's lots of fun, and seems to be where loads of first-time Londoners move to.

Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 00:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

I love London, and I think the public transport is very good, compared to the other cities I've lived in (Bristol and Leicester). Top uni: definitely UCL, and the fact that I work there is not the sole reason for this view. (So does Starry, across the road from me, and Julio is just finishing his doctorate here, if you've hung around here long enough to recognise either of those names.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 13:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

columbia road is very central. about 15 minutes walk from the city.

............., Tuesday, 16 November 2004 14:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

For arts and humanities look to Goldsmith's, UCL, Kings etc. Specifically for Arts the London Institute colleges are good and the RCA for post-grad.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 14:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

Univeristy College and Kings College seems ace but how hard is it to get accepted? Anyone know?

Boxcar (Crapstone), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 22:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

UCL has pretty high standards - average A Level points score is something like 22 or 23, but obviously it varies according to subject - humanities lower than medicine, say. Not sure about King's, but I would guess just a little lower. I don't know if you are someone who has just finished their A Levels.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 22:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

London is great but I've lived here most of my life so I'm used to it. Stevem otm about the pros and cons but the public transport isn't a total nightmare every day, just a bit of a pain sometimes. I do know people who have moved here from small towns and found it a bit intimidating but I think the key is to see London as a lot of villages all close together.

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 22:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm not British so I dont do A-levels. I'm from Sweden and I'm 21(so I'm a mature student). When it comes to subjects(from high school) that are important to the courses I'm interested in I have the highest grade in, like like history, civics, geography.

Boxcar (Crapstone), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 22:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

Well that should work - they are used to dealing with foreign qualifications (I work in the kind of internal software house at UCL, even sometimes on the admissions system - but that doesn't mean I can help!).

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 22:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

Quuen Mary & Westfield is great for English

stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 23:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

I hear Queen Mary is supposed to be exellent for politcal science too(which I'm interested in).

Boxcar (Crapstone), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 23:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

pros: lively capitol of America's most liberal state
cons: many whingey limeys

bum_clit, Wednesday, 17 November 2004 00:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

pros: no you

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 10:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

A definite pro, which I really miss now that I'm not living there, is the variety and frequency of cheap flights to all over Europe.

Madchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 13:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

Pro - London "pay premium" in many jobs.

3underscore (___), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 13:12 (9 years ago) Permalink

...but balanced out by some of the steepest housing costs in the world.

Madchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 13:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

Not really - a lot of places (Edinburgh being a close one to my knowledge) isn't far off on housing costs, but with a significantly lower salary due to *quality of life* weighting.

3underscore (___), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 13:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

The average house price in Edinburgh is £162,446 and in Greater London it's £287,342.

Madchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 13:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

It may seem as if house prices are expensive in Edinburgh, but relative to the proximity to the centre of town, it's nowhere near. My friend sold her 2 bed flat in Stockbridge for £260,000, but in London, a flat that nice, in such a nice area so close to town, would have been much more expensive than that. Given how long it takes me to get into work, the equivalent in edinburgh would be falkirk!

Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 14:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

Average salary, Edinburgh vs London, Madchen? (I would look, but am having a crisis at work at present)

3underscore (___), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 14:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

Not necessarily indicative, but average salary of academic staff at UCL: £31.4k, at Edinburgh Uni: £32.0k.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 14:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

That's pretty much what you'd expect, though, given that Edinburgh and UCL are on roughly the same level prestige-wise.

My friend sold her 2 bed flat in Stockbridge for £260,000

How long ago? I'd think something like that could well go for double that now.

caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 14:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yes, Caitlin, which is why it might be a good place to find the semi-mythical London weighting kicking in; similar institutions but apparently paying around the same despite the costlier environment of London.

(And London weighting, when it is available, is a piffling amount of money compared to housing costs; it hardly approaches the 77% gap in house prices highlighted by Madchen).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 14:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

Average salary in Edinburgh is £19,038 and in London it's £25,124 (from National Statistics Online).

So

Average house price in London is 1.77 x that in Edinburgh
Average salary in London is 1.32 x that in Edinburgh

But I'm rubbish with statistics so somebody else can manipulate the figures to demonstrate what they think about them.

Madchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 14:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

When I moved to Glasgow in February 2002 I reckoned that my salary was about a third less, but my rent was about halved.

Madchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 15:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

I was surprised when i looked in an estate agent's window in Bloomsbury at how reasonable the prices for studio flats in that area were, maybe that's cos the Edinburgh prices are getting so ridiculous and i'm using them as my benchmark. I'm glad i bought when i did, wouldn't be able to afford it now.

leigh (leigh), Thursday, 18 November 2004 13:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

My position is quite weird - by moving to London I would be in a much better position to buy a property than I am in Edinburgh - maybe that is because I am actually moving to the market, rather than being in a single-employer job for the city I live in.

3underscore (___), Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

I think the key is to see London as a lot of villages all close together.

This is the thing I really love about London.

Ally C (Ally C), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

5 years pass...

Londoners...how does one report a black cab for refusing a fare? I've been googling but can't find a way to report it. Also he was driving while eating a kebab.

I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 4 October 2010 11:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

thanks guys...i've reported him. let the powers of official justice deal with him!

I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 4 October 2010 11:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

No Wicked Heart Shall Prosper.rar (nakhchivan), Thursday, 23 December 2010 02:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

i am going to london in late april to visit some friends and 'hang'

anything i should be doin' there? fun things cool things?

day trips?

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 15:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

You should be planning a FAP

And possibly seeing Lauryn Hill in concert

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 15:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

i wonder if lauryn would 'fancy a pint'

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

srsly tho i have never met any london ilxors i dont think

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 16:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

you could try some auction rooms. criterion on essex road do weekly sales on a monday afternoon, you can view all the lots from thursday the week before. lots of tat but some ridiculous bargains too - we got a very nice, huge sofa in perfect condition for £60. plus it's fun sticking your hand up and bidding for things.

jabba hands, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 10:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

sign up to islington east freecycle there's always stuff going all the time

Rosie 47 (ken c), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 10:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

there are probably other freecycles that are the same

Rosie 47 (ken c), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 10:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

camden south has nothing though, unless you like filing cabinets

Rosie 47 (ken c), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 10:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

get 6 cans of lagers for £5* from an offie

I've been away for a year, I get back and it seems to have gone up to £5.50. Bleak times.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 12:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure it's Cameron's fault.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 12:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's still possible! You just have to be prepared to buy something fairly grotty from somewhere fairly grotty.

I need a driving instructor. Is anyone able to recommend me one?

Upt0eleven, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 12:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

17:00 go to a sam smiths and drink the cheap alpine lagers (you'll be pissed enough to stomach those by now)

warning – you'll have to drink a lot of it – abv cut to 2.8% last autumn.

woof, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 13:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

WHAT? Country's gone to the bleedin dogs mate.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 13:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

I had four driving lessons as a refresher last year. 10 years no driving left me rusty. I went with Mutual (E London). Didn't really get on with the first guy, he told me I was rubbish and grabbed the wheel off me at one point. For the second and subsequent lessons I had a big scottish guy, into football, who was great. Laid back and helpful. I can't remember his name now though. Finding a decent driving instructor is tough.

mmmm, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Sam Smiths pubs are now close to full price. Therefore, no point ever going to one again.

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

I still think some of them have their charms, I'm a big fan of the Cittie of York and old faithful Glasshouse Stores, even if I haven't been in the latter in ages.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

There's been mad beer inflation in London of late though (blame craft beer, the_recession, whatever) - SS beer is probably as far behind the top end as its ever been.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't mind the cock tavern off regent street tbh but I've definitely reduced my visits. Their stout isn't a bad alternative to guinness imo - not similar, obv, just not horrible.

Otoh although I've been a student again for nearly eighteen months now it was only two weeks ago that I went to the University of London Union bar for the first time. Five pints for £7.50 is just ridiculous.

Upt0eleven, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

Price aside, SS pubs still tend to have a better atmosphere than the vast majority of West End boozers.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

get 6 cans of lagers for £5* from an offie
I've been away for a year, I get back and it seems to have gone up to £5.50. Bleak times.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 12:52 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm sure it's Cameron's fault.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 12:58 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha! the * after £5 was actually going to be the footnote saying exactly that!! something like (* more likely to be £5.50 - bloody Tories innit)

Rosie 47 (ken c), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Bring Back Brown's Broken Britain

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's true about Sam Smiths - dearer than ever before, but then so is everything else
the lager is good and distinctive
so are the specials like cherry beer
and yes, they do have a different atmosphere which I still tend to like.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

is the beer really now 2.8%??

Rosie 47 (ken c), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

swap sam smiths with a wetherspoons, then

Rosie 47 (ken c), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

xp

yeah - pointed out to me just before leaving the bricklayers a few weeks ago, feeling surprisingly sober.

These people seem to be up on it all

woof, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

It was about 2.20 in Sam pubs pre-Christmas, it's now at least 3 quid, at least for a lager. For me that jump means I'd rather go somewhere with decent food, better beer, and nicer atmos. They're not bad pubs but at 3 quid I reckon it's about 80p or so cheaper than a pint of something decent; in somewhere that's definitely nicer.

Mind you the one I frequented most was The Rising Sun near Barbican, plenty of nice alternatives around there.

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Thursday, 29 March 2012 06:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Drinking round the Barbican and not going to the Old Red Cow is straight-up wasteful IMO.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Thursday, 29 March 2012 10:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

always too busy imo. it is small.

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Thursday, 29 March 2012 12:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

or just bring a six pack into the barbican?

Rosie 47 (ken c), Thursday, 29 March 2012 12:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

a six pack of toilet duck

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Thursday, 29 March 2012 12:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

when it's payday

Rosie 47 (ken c), Thursday, 29 March 2012 12:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

la dee da

I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Thursday, 29 March 2012 14:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

time was you would joke about drinking a six pack of toilet duck in the street

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Thursday, 29 March 2012 14:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

really cleaned up the street

Rosie 47 (ken c), Thursday, 29 March 2012 16:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

Is this the London thread?

Did you see this?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/magazine/china-mieville-london.html?emc=eta1

Blomqvist, Jesper (admrl), Monday, 2 April 2012 23:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

/\/\/\

Say something about it

Blomqvist, Jesper (admrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 00:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

i read that and wasnt sure what to think

what should i think

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 04:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

should i cancel my trip

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 04:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Definitely, you don't want to hang out with racists and alcoholics.

Blomqvist, Jesper (admrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 04:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

"eyes roll with the duh".

Fizzles, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 06:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Say something about it

it's not interesting enough to, really. mostly it reminded me that i don't get along with miéville's prose at all.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 07:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

the fluff piece that ran alongside it (what are the LDN equivs of these NYC things iirc) was actually more interesting

lex pretend, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 07:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

"The mayor is a ninja of bumptiousness"

koogs, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 08:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Lex otm, esp re: the fluff. Such an effort to read and although I recall vaguely agreeing with him I can't remember a single specific thing that he says.

Upt0eleven, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 09:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

read the first page and had no idea what thesis he was attempting to expound, beyond a few 'pensions! strikes! olympics!' handwaving signifiers.

God arrives for the apocalypse, having been traveling at the speed of (ledge), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 09:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's not written for Londoners really though is it? I mean most of us will be familiar with most of the arguments and issues in it.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 09:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

/Say something about it/

it's not interesting enough to, really. mostly it reminded me that i don't get along with miéville's prose at all.

this x 1000. absolutely convinced he dictates his novels, and what interested me about the article most was how its prose hobbles along.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 09:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Are you all posting from the banlieues of London? Is there anything I can do to help?

Blomqvist, Jesper (admrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 13:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

suggest banlieu

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 13:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

Haha very good

Blomqvist, Jesper (admrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 13:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

ty

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 14:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

banlieuy jagger

Rosie 47 (ken c), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 15:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah thats great

judith, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:02 (2 years ago) Permalink


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